Viktor already saying on the video that we are called by cops that and telling you to shoot us.That means they are already informed that we gonna attack them in any way and they opened fire too so.unacceptable u cant shot its dm dm dm dm
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Viktor already saying on the video that we are called by cops that and telling you to shoot us.That means they are already informed that we gonna attack them in any way and they opened fire too so.I died, and Castro notified me on the helper chat, not RPly.
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CB Alert from Viktor: SIC WERE CALLED BY COPSWhat's funny about it ? you did not notify them, and they asked me what are SIC doing with cops ? lol.
LOL
What's funny about it ? you did not notify them, and they asked me why are SIC doing with cops ? lol.
You can see that you guys shot on sight, while Gvardias were standing by..
We didnt really shot you on sight.We were making plan with cops.Basicly I told them to rush and what we getting shot nowhere.What you expect us to do watch you how you shooting us.Clearly this situation is repeated, especially you " making plans " to shoot on sight, it happened before, and now happened again, Alfred made everything clear.
*laughs*how u dare?
how u dare?vay canina :v:
cops called criminals RPly... so do not give me the DM/TDM Crap. Cops should not call criminals, they did a mistake. This is the first time, and now you come and complain about it? alfred explained everything in /p no need to create another forum useless topic.
Every time a small thing happens, you strike at Argonath.
In this situation, SIC and some other groups, approached SAPD, in the middle of a situation between them and Gvardia. SIC in this scene, offered help for the Police, and the Police Officers, did, in fact, accept the offer, but that was not acceptable considering that Gvardia wasn't informed about this move, but since both parties did not seem to know that warning/informing the counter side about this move is something mandatory, we left them with a brief explanation and a final warning. I undoubtedly believe I, Khm,and Vaeldious were very clear and notional. I personally requested SIC to leave the field after the situation was done, and I killed the weed, so that it becomes fair. So again, this is a final warning to those who attempt to repeat the same thing again, if you, criminal groups, want to offer help to, for instance, SAPD, which is in my point of view senseless, make sure to do it properly, within the boundaries of our RP standards, make sure you inform the opposite side of this move, so that confusions do not dawn upon the victims. Hopefully I was clear.
Alright so here's the situation:And then giving the weed field to criminals? sure, we'll make this server great again :app:
Criminals are always overnumered than SAPD, and they always use their benefit on weed fields, getting 10-20 people guarding
spots, and this happens so often.
SAPD were offered backup by SIC, they accepted it, it was their decision.
Why can't SAPD call other groups while criminals always do it? They always call backup from other groups.
I understand this might sound crazy because SAPD involved a criminal group, but this criminal group didn't do any crime in that situation.
So by SAPD perspective it looked fine.
Me as a witness who also fought alongside SAPD, I think that it was completely fine by SAPD, because they are always outnumbered.
If it is about poor RP from SAPD, this actualy not. Because it's not RP that criminals are always overnumbered.
And then giving the weed field to criminals? sure, we'll make this server great again :app:
This is just corruption, this can solved by RP not by posting a forum thread.This is funny, sure, call SAPD SIC and other criminal groups, and we'll make a meeting IG.
This is funny, sure, call SAPD SIC and other criminal groups, and we'll make a meeting IG.
Alright so here's the situation:
Criminals are always overnumered than SAPD, and they always use their benefit on weed fields, getting 10-20 people guarding
spots, and this happens so often.
SAPD were offered backup by SIC, they accepted it, it was their decision.
Why can't SAPD call other groups while criminals always do it? They always call backup from other groups.
I understand this might sound crazy because SAPD involved a criminal group, but this criminal group didn't do any crime in that situation.
So by SAPD perspective it looked fine.
Me as a witness who also fought alongside SAPD, I think that it was completely fine by SAPD (OOC, IC it's considered corruption), because they are always outnumbered.
If it is about poor RP from SAPD, this actualy not. Because it's not RP that criminals are always overnumbered.
They didn't comit any crimes beside being heavyly armed and offering to kill people?
Damn it man you just got no clue how roleplay works, do you? If cops are outnumbered no one forces them to go rambo and always shoot criminals who comit crimes. They could also have tried gathering evidence and ROLEPLAYING instead of causing a huge dm fest by involving criminal group in their shootout.
It is people like you who think every crime scene always has to end up with a shootout. You complained about the win mentallity from criminal side while right now you are trying to justify the exact same thing from both police and criminal side. Good job
You didn't understand me.
My point is, for SAPD's perspective it's not considered as crime to help them.
SAPD isn't above the law SAPD is there to enforce the law. What you are saying makes no sense
Yes, and if they do not enforce the law, it's corruption.
So what's the problem of being corrupted? It's role play.
So you willl justify the tdm mentallity you all have by saying 'they are corrupt'? Do they exactly roleplay being corrupt or does it only come handy as an excuse in situations like this one?
As Alfred told us in the game, this is considered as a DM because SAPD failed to inform the other side that they formed a group with other criminals. That was the only problem, not because they decided to cooperate with criminals.
I do not know how each corrupted officer presents his role play.
This has nothing to do with cops being corrupt, you and i both know that. It was all only about winning a shootout, and that'sexactly the kins of mentallity that's been destroying the server.
This is just corruption, this can solved by RP not by posting a forum thread.
No, just report them to the IA.
SAPD isn't above the law SAPD is there to enforce the law. What you are saying makes no sense
I noticed this too, weed fields in the last 2 weeks are a death zone where Mafias solve their problems and show off their power over a weed field.Lol
Cops are always outnumbered and unable to stop the shotout and arrest both parties...so....as a previous guy said desperate situations require desperate measures, and one of them was SAPD to team up with SIC to enforce the LAW.
I noticed this too, weed fields in the last 2 weeks are a death zone where Mafias solve their problems and show off their power over a weed field.
Cops are always outnumbered and unable to stop the shotout and arrest both parties...so....as the other guy said desperate situations require desperate measures, and one of them was SAPD to team up with SIC to enforce the LAW.
I agree on the DM part, and that SIC did engage without interaction.
But you also bash on SIC and SAPD teaming up RPly, I don't see anything wrong here...I mean in desperate times you take desperate measures. The enemy of my enemy is my friend..You know all that..and the DM thing as far as I can see was solved IG by staff members, so why do you bring that to the forum?
And if you feel that Argonath is turning into a TDM server, you are wrong. In the last months the DM has been lowered down...and you can't expect NO shootouts with so many crime organizations (And you should make the difference between a shootout that is justified and DM) And trust me DM gets punished and is not tolerated.
The butthurt is strong in this topic :D
I don't consider this dm because 'cops didn't let gva know sic was helping'. To have to warn your enemies about stuff like that is one of the dumbest rules.Well I wasn't there, so I can't say if there was a 20 min conversation between both groups. And can't say their reason to team up.
I am talking about the fact that the only reason for 'alliance' between cops and criminals was to kill people together. I imagine there wasnt any roleplay apart from 'want our help to kill them' 'sure'.
cops called criminals RPly... so do not give me the DM/TDM Crap. Cops should not call criminals, they did a mistake. This is the first time, and now you come and complain about it? alfred explained everything in /p no need to create another forum useless topic.We only choose to RP when it suits us? No, it's been happening more than once from the same people to be honest, just friends who are cops and the other criminal fighting together against another group. You're either a criminal or a cop. If you want to fight as a cop go on duty, if you want to be a criminal fighting criminals, well you don't need an explanation for that. This is just a shitty reason for groups to use cops as a reason to DM and you all know it.
Every time a small thing happens, you strike at Argonath.
Well I wasn't there, so I can't say if there was a 20 min conversation between both groups. And can't say their reason to team up.
But the situation was taken care of, and I don't think the whole topic should have been made, since it doesn't help with anything it just renews the whole situation and creates chaos.
Idea is to avoid ingame chaos by creating a topic to discuss the problem instead of pushing it under the rug. I am also not sure how many times i have to say in order for everyone to understand but ill do it once more, this topic isn't only pointed at this situation but condition of the server in general. This situation is just one example, and i am not trying to get anyone punished over it, i just want to know if we will continue changing for worse or notAs I said before, if we look in the past and see now, we are doing far more better then before (DM less) and you can't expect no DM at all, that's not possible. I don't know how you see it but from my side DM has lessen.
I think that's good topic to show you it.Where did you saw SIC?
SIC ,Fischetti ,Trapani ,SAPD ,FBI vs Gvardia
https://youtu.be/2T3ibDdqQII
As I said before, if we look in the past and see now, we are doing far more better then before (DM less) and you can't expect no DM at all, that's not possible. I don't know how you see it but from my side DM has lessen.
Where did you saw SIC?i don't remember the name but video didn't get all people was there.
I agree on the DM part, and that SIC did engage without interaction.^^^^^^
But you also bash on SIC and SAPD teaming up RPly, I don't see anything wrong here...I mean in desperate times you take desperate measures. The enemy of my enemy is my friend..You know all that..and the DM thing as far as I can see was solved IG by staff members, so why do you bring that to the forum?
And if you feel that Argonath is turning into a TDM server, you are wrong. In the last months the DM has been lowered down...and you can't expect NO shootouts with so many crime organizations (And you should make the difference between a shootout that is justified and DM) And trust me DM gets punished and is not tolerated.
Assuming your forum acc creation date is also about when you joined the community i can say you have no clue what you're talkimg about.I am here since last November, yeah I am new and yeah I don't have any idea what was before but from February to now, things are better in matter of DM fests.
I am here since last November, yeah I am new and yeah I don't have any idea what was before but from February to now, things are better in matter of DM fests.
And if I have no "clue" please explain I'm all ears.
But by teaming with a criminal group not only are they not enforcing but also are breaking the law. Do you ever think before talking?
We only choose to RP when it suits us? No, it's been happening more than once from the same people to be honest, just friends who are cops and the other criminal fighting together against another group. You're either a criminal or a cop. If you want to fight as a cop go on duty, if you want to be a criminal fighting criminals, well you don't need an explanation for that. This is just a shitty reason for groups to use cops as a reason to DM and you all know it.
Throwback to 2012 when family reunions were still in style. No cops included.;) ^^^(http://i68.tinypic.com/1t8sxs.jpg)
i don't remember the name but video didn't get all people was there.And the time I got shot multiple times when I wasn't included in RP though I didn't even interact with you guys and I got shot then I got banned since my Game Ping was 350 and my FPS was 15, and I didn't get shot then I got banned.
That shootou which most of trapani's return after death.
Where did you saw SIC?https://imgur.com/a/DXSGX
https://imgur.com/a/DXSGX
The mafia manipulated the cops, pure roleplay on my eyes.:app:
The mafia manipulated the cops, pure roleplay on my eyes.:app: :app: :)
I think it's been clarified before that PM *can* be used in an RP fashion (though I do agree this creates a pretty large "grey area"). This would depend on the exact scenario I guess though.
This is pure corruption, this should just be reported to the FBI and have it over with. There is nothing wrong out of RP boundaries in this situation.
You, on the other hand, are using PM's to communicate throughout the video. PM very rp yes.
The mafia manipulated the cops, pure roleplay on my eyes.Well said.
The SAPD should not be accepting help from anybody other than law enforcement in shootouts with other criminals, You're fucking SAPD so please act like it.
SAPD Basically invited in criminals and endangered their lives and the lives of the weed growers by doing so, Every SAPD officer in that situation should be fired and ashamed of themselves.
since forever no players are allowed to act as "police" and help apprehend suspects, What makes this okay this time around? nothing..
If you seriously cannot find enough officers to take down a single field then go fucking talk to your superiors and force them to fix your current lack of law enforcement members, You have a chief and leadership team members to talk to, So please don't go against the rules to "win" a situation.
This is a side note for future endeavors like this. No you may NOT take criminal aid when attempting to take down a weed field, if you're outnumbered and cannot take the field with the current numbers you have then sit back and await backup / And if there is no backup then you need to either go in the right way(without criminal organizations helping) or fall back.
The SAPD should not be accepting help from anybody other than law enforcement in shootouts with other criminals, You're fucking SAPD so please act like it.So its ok if FBI does it, but not if SAPD does it? :neutral:
SAPD Basically invited in criminals and endangered their lives and the lives of the weed growers by doing so, Every SAPD officer in that situation should be fired and ashamed of themselves.
since forever no players are allowed to act as "police" and help apprehend suspects, What makes this okay this time around? nothing..
If you seriously cannot find enough officers to take down a single field then go fucking talk to your superiors and force them to fix your current lack of law enforcement members, You have a chief and leadership team members to talk to, So please don't go against the rules to "win" a situation.
This is a side note for future endeavors like this. No you may NOT take criminal aid when attempting to take down a weed field, if you're outnumbered and cannot take the field with the current numbers you have then sit back and await backup / And if there is no backup then you need to either go in the right way(without criminal organizations helping) or fall back.
Corrupt cop roleplay is one thing and teaming for the sake of winning a dm fest is another.Then stop creating DM fests and crying Argonath supports TDM whenever you lose. One must be the change they wish to see.
Then stop creating DM fests and crying Argonath supports TDM whenever you lose. One must be the change they wish to see.
Now you're just talking out of your ass.Annnnd that's how you get ignored in a conversation which could be a good one. :hah:
Annnnd that's how you get ignored in a conversation which could be a good one. :hah:
I just never understood those people who shit on Argonath yet drag their asses here over and over to do same things that they hate.
Couldn't have been a good conversation since you are talking out of your ass.He's not talking out of his ass. I was there when you engaged on a weedfield twice, DMing as well as returning after death, for which you got warned.
He's not talking out of his ass. I was there when you engaged on a weedfield twice, DMing as well as returning after death, for which you got warned.
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I just never understood those people who shit on Argonath yet drag their asses here over and over to do same things that they hate.
(https://i.imgur.com/UgoYbF4.png)Do I need to underline a certain part of that sentence for you to understand better, with the date included? :lol:
10 minutes before that i just came close to weed field, ALONE, and got shot without a single warning. I wasn't close enough to see their names and report them, so i tried to leave. But then they popped the back tyre on my nrg to stop me. So yea i returned after death to finish off the cops who dmed me. And the exact reason that i only got warned is that i got dmed before that.You got in a weedfield with an active shootout.
And the only other occassion when i shot at weed field in the past 6 months was when people basically aimed their guns at me and told my to leave my group member's weed field. So no i do not start dm fests and dm fests are the reason for my low acticity.
You got in a weedfield with an active shootout.
So you decided to DM those who DMed you and died so youI came back after death DMing the DMers who DMed you for DMing
There wasn't an active shootout, there was no one but 3 cops present at the field.Around five actually, and because the rest had just died
Around five actually, and because the rest had just died
So yea i returned after death to finish off the cops who dmed me. And the exact reason that i only got warned is that i got dmed before that.Still, revenge killing is and never was acceptable on Argonath RPG.
And the only other occassion when i shot at weed field in the past 6 months was when people basically aimed their guns at me and told my to leave my group member's weed field. So no i do not start dm fests and dm fests are the reason for my low acticity.
Still, revenge killing is and never was acceptable on Argonath RPG.
CBFasi is turning in his virtual grave
By the way, if pretty much all the decent roleplaying people are aware of this issue in SA:MP, can't there be "Roleplay 101" courses as often as possible trying to explain those players who think that most roleplay situations should end up in a massive deathmatch, how can they actually find ways not to turn things into shoot-out excuses?
As far as I know, anyone can make a public event and an ad (/ad) is affordable by almost everyone. All that is left is some patience.
You can't teach all players how to roleplay. Only way is to implement rules, make them read it and punish those that go against it.Clearer rules, yes. I think the whole list should be rebuilt from the ground up. And, as long as we don't interfere with the Argonath vision, we might have results. Would polls help here? Also, I hope one day new players won't see people helping them as "admins", but, simply as fellow players.
In my opinion, we lack rules that could be clear for everyone, including admins to show how situations should end and doing this and that is wrong. It is true that rules list is long, but I'm pretty sure that adding more rules and clear ones could make it easier and would take less time waste in future.
You can't teach all players how to roleplay. Only way is to implement rules, make them read it and punish those that go against it.Actually the problem is some players who try to find their way around the rules, where they do the rule break right on the borderline, thus it cannot be termed as one. That mentality has to change, but there was only one Lord Buddha in this world. :P
In my opinion, we lack rules that could be clear for everyone, including admins to show how situations should end and doing this and that is wrong. It is true that rules list is long, but I'm pretty sure that adding more rules and clear ones could make it easier and would take less time waste in future.
It's been quite a while now since the server started turning into team deathmatch