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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 03:12:46 pm

Title: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 03:12:46 pm
It's been quite a while now since the server started turning into team deathmatch. Although gang/mafia wars are a normal thing to happen, considering this is a GTA rp server, things seem to just be getting out of hands.

I've received this video of arpd teaming up with several criminal groups in order to defeat another criminal group. Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHkmcIaTE0c

This kind of behavior only suits a team deathmatch server. It would be good to hear if we are finally going to change the game mode from RP to TDM or if HQ plans to actually stop this kind of behavior because it is just unacceptable.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: William Carter on October 18, 2017, 03:19:09 pm
cops called criminals RPly... so do not give me the DM/TDM Crap. Cops should not call criminals, they did a mistake. This is the first time, and now you come and complain about it? alfred explained everything in /p no need to create another forum useless topic.

Every time a small thing happens, you strike at Argonath.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Tyrone. on October 18, 2017, 03:28:27 pm
Viktor already saying on the video that we are called by cops that and telling you to shoot us.That means they are already informed that we gonna attack them in any way and they opened fire too so.

@Reasy
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Cizzi on October 18, 2017, 03:29:36 pm
Viktor already saying on the video that we are called by cops that and telling you to shoot us.That means they are already informed that we gonna attack them in any way and they opened fire too so.

@Reasy
unacceptable u cant shot its dm dm dm dm
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Reasy on October 18, 2017, 03:29:57 pm
In this situation, SIC and some other groups, approached SAPD, in the middle of a situation between them and Gvardia. SIC in this scene, offered help for the Police, and the Police Officers, did, in fact, accept the offer, but that was not acceptable considering that Gvardia wasn't informed about this move, but since both parties did not seem to know that warning/informing the counter side about this move is something mandatory, we left them with a brief explanation and a final warning. I undoubtedly believe I, Khm, and Vaeldious were very clear and notional. I personally requested SIC to leave the field after the situation was done, and I killed the weed, so that it becomes fair. So again, this is a final warning to those who attempt to repeat the same thing again, if you, criminal groups, want to offer help to, for instance, SAPD, which is in my point of view senseless, make sure to do it properly, within the boundaries of our RP standards, make sure you inform the opposite side of this move, so that confusions do not dawn upon the victims. Hopefully I was clear.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Shorty. on October 18, 2017, 03:30:20 pm
Viktor already saying on the video that we are called by cops that and telling you to shoot us.That means they are already informed that we gonna attack them in any way and they opened fire too so.

@Reasy
I died, and Castro notified me on the helper chat, not RPly.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Tyrone. on October 18, 2017, 03:31:40 pm
CB Alert from Viktor: SIC WERE CALLED BY COPS

LOL
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Shorty. on October 18, 2017, 03:32:17 pm
CB Alert from Viktor: SIC WERE CALLED BY COPS

LOL
What's funny about it ? you did not notify them, and they asked me what are SIC doing with cops ? lol.

 
You can see that you guys shot on sight, while Gvardias were standing by..
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Tyrone. on October 18, 2017, 03:36:13 pm
What's funny about it ? you did not notify them, and they asked me why are SIC doing with cops ? lol.

 
You can see that you guys shot on sight, while Gvardias were standing by..

We didnt really shot you on sight.We were making plan with cops.Basicly I told them to rush and what we getting shot nowhere.What you expect us to do watch you how you shooting us.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Shorty. on October 18, 2017, 03:39:25 pm
We didnt really shot you on sight.We were making plan with cops.Basicly I told them to rush and what we getting shot nowhere.What you expect us to do watch you how you shooting us.
Clearly this situation is repeated, especially you " making plans " to shoot on sight, it happened before, and now happened again, Alfred made everything clear.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Silvester on October 18, 2017, 03:40:29 pm
*laughs*
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Cizzi on October 18, 2017, 03:40:47 pm
*laughs*
how u dare?
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Cyclone on October 18, 2017, 03:41:45 pm
how u dare?
vay canina :v:
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Claudia on October 18, 2017, 03:42:44 pm
Alright so here's the situation:
Criminals are always overnumered than SAPD, and they always use their benefit on weed fields, getting 10-20 people guarding
spots, and this happens so often.

SAPD were offered backup by SIC, they accepted it, it was their decision.
Why can't SAPD call other groups while criminals always do it? They always call backup from other groups.
I understand this might sound crazy because SAPD involved a criminal group, but this criminal group didn't do any crime in that situation.
So by SAPD perspective it looked fine.


Me as a witness who also fought alongside SAPD, I think that it was completely fine by SAPD (OOC, IC it's considered corruption), because they are always outnumbered.
If it is about poor RP from SAPD, this actualy not. Because it's not RP that criminals are always overnumbered.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 03:42:52 pm
cops called criminals RPly... so do not give me the DM/TDM Crap. Cops should not call criminals, they did a mistake. This is the first time, and now you come and complain about it? alfred explained everything in /p no need to create another forum useless topic.

Every time a small thing happens, you strike at Argonath.

I wasn't even in game. No matter who called whom or what tag people in the video had, this is unaccaptable.

I am not trying to point this topic at anyone but the staff and the hq itself. It's not about who broke the rules it is about the rules being broken.

In this situation, SIC and some other groups, approached SAPD, in the middle of a situation between them and Gvardia. SIC in this scene, offered help for the Police, and the Police Officers, did, in fact, accept the offer, but that was not acceptable considering that Gvardia wasn't informed about this move, but since both parties did not seem to know that warning/informing the counter side about this move is something mandatory, we left them with a brief explanation and a final warning. I undoubtedly believe I, Khm,and Vaeldious were very clear and notional. I personally requested SIC to leave the field after the situation was done, and I killed the weed, so that it becomes fair. So again, this is a final warning to those who attempt to repeat the same thing again, if you, criminal groups, want to offer help to, for instance, SAPD, which is in my point of view senseless, make sure to do it properly, within the boundaries of our RP standards, make sure you inform the opposite side of this move, so that confusions do not dawn upon the victims. Hopefully I was clear.

It is not about this scene only. Rule were apparently gonna get strict when astaroth posted his 'final warning' topic yet the next they people continued breaking them and still to this day do. Server lost a lot of players because the rp standards keep getting lower day by day. This video is just another example of that, and if things continue to go this way you may as well change it to TDM.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Shorty. on October 18, 2017, 03:44:08 pm
Alright so here's the situation:
Criminals are always overnumered than SAPD, and they always use their benefit on weed fields, getting 10-20 people guarding
spots, and this happens so often.

SAPD were offered backup by SIC, they accepted it, it was their decision.
Why can't SAPD call other groups while criminals always do it? They always call backup from other groups.
I understand this might sound crazy because SAPD involved a criminal group, but this criminal group didn't do any crime in that situation.
So by SAPD perspective it looked fine.


Me as a witness who also fought alongside SAPD, I think that it was completely fine by SAPD, because they are always outnumbered.
If it is about poor RP from SAPD, this actualy not. Because it's not RP that criminals are always overnumbered.
And then giving the weed field to criminals? sure, we'll make this server great again  :app:
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Claudia on October 18, 2017, 03:46:53 pm
And then giving the weed field to criminals? sure, we'll make this server great again  :app:

This is just corruption, this can solved by RP not by posting a forum thread.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Shorty. on October 18, 2017, 03:48:11 pm
This is just corruption, this can solved by RP not by posting a forum thread.
This is funny, sure, call SAPD SIC and other criminal groups, and we'll make a meeting IG.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Claudia on October 18, 2017, 03:49:07 pm
This is funny, sure, call SAPD SIC and other criminal groups, and we'll make a meeting IG.

No, just report them to the IA.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Reasy on October 18, 2017, 03:49:21 pm
I was extremely clear IG and here, I'll request each one of you to quit hitting each other with offensive comments, as it will lead to nowhere but punishments. Next time, poor situations like these happen, severe punishments will be given, plain and simple. Feel free to approach me privately if you have any questions.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 03:51:54 pm
Alright so here's the situation:
Criminals are always overnumered than SAPD, and they always use their benefit on weed fields, getting 10-20 people guarding
spots, and this happens so often.

SAPD were offered backup by SIC, they accepted it, it was their decision.
Why can't SAPD call other groups while criminals always do it? They always call backup from other groups.
I understand this might sound crazy because SAPD involved a criminal group, but this criminal group didn't do any crime in that situation.
So by SAPD perspective it looked fine.


Me as a witness who also fought alongside SAPD, I think that it was completely fine by SAPD (OOC, IC it's considered corruption), because they are always outnumbered.
If it is about poor RP from SAPD, this actualy not. Because it's not RP that criminals are always overnumbered.

They didn't comit any crimes beside being heavyly armed and offering to kill people?

Damn it man you just got no clue how roleplay works, do you? If cops are outnumbered no one forces them to go rambo and always shoot criminals who comit crimes. They could also have tried gathering evidence and ROLEPLAYING instead of causing a huge dm fest by involving criminal group in their shootout.

It is people like you who think every crime scene always has to end up with a shootout. You complained about the win mentallity from criminal side while right now you are trying to justify the exact same thing from both police and criminal side. Good job
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Claudia on October 18, 2017, 03:53:23 pm
They didn't comit any crimes beside being heavyly armed and offering to kill people?

Damn it man you just got no clue how roleplay works, do you? If cops are outnumbered no one forces them to go rambo and always shoot criminals who comit crimes. They could also have tried gathering evidence and ROLEPLAYING instead of causing a huge dm fest by involving criminal group in their shootout.

It is people like you who think every crime scene always has to end up with a shootout. You complained about the win mentallity from criminal side while right now you are trying to justify the exact same thing from both police and criminal side. Good job

You didn't understand me.
My point is, for SAPD's perspective it's not considered as crime to help them.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 03:56:16 pm
You didn't understand me.
My point is, for SAPD's perspective it's not considered as crime to help them.

SAPD isn't above the law SAPD is there to enforce the law. What you are saying makes no sense
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Claudia on October 18, 2017, 03:57:05 pm
SAPD isn't above the law SAPD is there to enforce the law. What you are saying makes no sense

Yes, and if they do not enforce the law, it's corruption.
So what's the problem of being corrupted? It's role play.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 03:59:33 pm
Yes, and if they do not enforce the law, it's corruption.
So what's the problem of being corrupted? It's role play.

So you willl justify the tdm mentallity you all have by saying 'they are corrupt'? Do they exactly roleplay being corrupt or does it only come handy as an excuse in situations like this one?
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Claudia on October 18, 2017, 04:03:40 pm
So you willl justify the tdm mentallity you all have by saying 'they are corrupt'? Do they exactly roleplay being corrupt or does it only come handy as an excuse in situations like this one?

As Alfred told us in the game, this is considered as a DM because SAPD failed to inform the other side that they formed a group with other criminals. That was the only problem, not because they decided to cooperate with criminals.
I do not know how each corrupted officer presents his role play.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 04:11:32 pm
As Alfred told us in the game, this is considered as a DM because SAPD failed to inform the other side that they formed a group with other criminals. That was the only problem, not because they decided to cooperate with criminals.
I do not know how each corrupted officer presents his role play.

This has nothing to do with cops being corrupt, you and i both know that. It was all only about winning a shootout, and that'sexactly the kins of mentallity that's been destroying the server.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Claudia on October 18, 2017, 04:16:22 pm
This has nothing to do with cops being corrupt, you and i both know that. It was all only about winning a shootout, and that'sexactly the kins of mentallity that's been destroying the server.

Unfortunately that what most of the players do.
Nothing I can do about it, and I'm completely againts P2W.

But let me tell you something, SAPD and FBI were doing very well in that shootout without criminals. That shootout was at least 30 minutes, and we managed to kill 5 criminals and losing 1 officer BEFORE SAPD accepted SIC help.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Spike. on October 18, 2017, 04:20:49 pm
This is just corruption, this can solved by RP not by posting a forum thread.

No, just report them to the IA.

SAPD isn't above the law SAPD is there to enforce the law. What you are saying makes no sense

I wonder where those other FBI agents that were attempting to take down corruption like this went.  Oh wait..   :rofl:
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2017, 04:27:05 pm
I agree on the DM part, and that SIC did engage without interaction.
 But you also bash on SIC and SAPD teaming up RPly, I don't see anything wrong here...I mean in desperate times you take desperate measures.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend..You know all that..and the DM thing as far as I can see was solved IG by staff members, so why do you bring that to the forum?
 And if you feel that Argonath is turning into a TDM server, you are wrong. In the last months the DM has been lowered down...and you can't expect NO shootouts with so many crime organizations (And you should make the difference between a shootout that is justified and DM) And trust me DM gets punished and is not tolerated.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Marcel on October 18, 2017, 04:27:28 pm
The butthurt is strong in this topic :D
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: AK47 on October 18, 2017, 04:31:48 pm
ArGoNaTh RpG - a WoRlD oF iTs OwN
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Denis_Koja on October 18, 2017, 04:35:02 pm
I noticed this too, weed fields in the last 2 weeks are a death zone where Mafias solve their problems and show off their power over a weed field.
Cops are always outnumbered and unable to stop the shotout and arrest both parties...so....as the other guy said desperate situations require desperate measures, and one of them was SAPD to team up with SIC to enforce the LAW.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Bennzy on October 18, 2017, 04:49:27 pm
I noticed this too, weed fields in the last 2 weeks are a death zone where Mafias solve their problems and show off their power over a weed field.
Cops are always outnumbered and unable to stop the shotout and arrest both parties...so....as a previous guy said desperate situations require desperate measures, and one of them was SAPD to team up with SIC to enforce the LAW.
Lol
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 04:53:58 pm
I noticed this too, weed fields in the last 2 weeks are a death zone where Mafias solve their problems and show off their power over a weed field.
Cops are always outnumbered and unable to stop the shotout and arrest both parties...so....as the other guy said desperate situations require desperate measures, and one of them was SAPD to team up with SIC to enforce the LAW.


But by teaming with a criminal group not only are they not enforcing but also are breaking the law. Do you ever think before talking?

I agree on the DM part, and that SIC did engage without interaction.
 But you also bash on SIC and SAPD teaming up RPly, I don't see anything wrong here...I mean in desperate times you take desperate measures.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend..You know all that..and the DM thing as far as I can see was solved IG by staff members, so why do you bring that to the forum?
 And if you feel that Argonath is turning into a TDM server, you are wrong. In the last months the DM has been lowered down...and you can't expect NO shootouts with so many crime organizations (And you should make the difference between a shootout that is justified and DM) And trust me DM gets punished and is not tolerated.

I don't consider this dm because 'cops didn't let gva know sic  was helping'. To  have to warn your enemies about stuff like that is one of the dumbest rules.

I am talking about the fact that the only reason for 'alliance' between cops and criminals was to kill people together. I imagine there wasnt any roleplay apart from 'want our help to kill them' 'sure'.

The butthurt is strong in this topic :D

I didn't go online in weeks and have no reason to be butthurt over this scene. But to  call it a roleplay server and allow something  like this to happen is pure contradiction.

Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2017, 05:04:21 pm
I don't consider this dm because 'cops didn't let gva know sic  was helping'. To  have to warn your enemies about stuff like that is one of the dumbest rules.

I am talking about the fact that the only reason for 'alliance' between cops and criminals was to kill people together. I imagine there wasnt any roleplay apart from 'want our help to kill them' 'sure'.

Well I wasn't there, so I can't say if there was a 20 min conversation between both groups. And can't say their reason to team up.
But the situation was taken care of, and I don't think the whole topic should have been made, since it doesn't help with anything it just renews the whole situation and creates chaos.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Antonio. on October 18, 2017, 05:09:16 pm
cops called criminals RPly... so do not give me the DM/TDM Crap. Cops should not call criminals, they did a mistake. This is the first time, and now you come and complain about it? alfred explained everything in /p no need to create another forum useless topic.

Every time a small thing happens, you strike at Argonath.
We only choose to RP when it suits us? No, it's been happening more than once from the same people to be honest, just friends who are cops and the other criminal fighting together against another group. You're either a criminal or a cop. If you want to fight as a cop go on duty, if you want to be a criminal fighting criminals, well you don't need an explanation for that. This is just a shitty reason for groups to use cops as a reason to DM and you all know it.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 05:23:13 pm
Well I wasn't there, so I can't say if there was a 20 min conversation between both groups. And can't say their reason to team up.
But the situation was taken care of, and I don't think the whole topic should have been made, since it doesn't help with anything it just renews the whole situation and creates chaos.

Idea is to avoid ingame chaos by creating a topic to discuss the problem instead of pushing it under the rug. I am also not sure how many times i have to say in order for everyone to understand but ill do it once more, this topic isn't only pointed at this situation but condition of the server in general. This situation is just one example, and i am not trying to get anyone punished over it, i just want to know if we will continue changing for worse or not
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2017, 05:33:41 pm
Idea is to avoid ingame chaos by creating a topic to discuss the problem instead of pushing it under the rug. I am also not sure how many times i have to say in order for everyone to understand but ill do it once more, this topic isn't only pointed at this situation but condition of the server in general. This situation is just one example, and i am not trying to get anyone punished over it, i just want to know if we will continue changing for worse or not
As I said before, if we look in the past and see now, we are doing far more better then before (DM less) and you can't expect no DM at all, that's not possible. I don't know how you see it but from my side DM has lessen.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Mazen. on October 18, 2017, 05:46:52 pm
I think that's good topic to show you it.
SIC ,Fischetti ,Trapani ,SAPD ,FBI vs Gvardia
https://youtu.be/2T3ibDdqQII
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Cizzi on October 18, 2017, 05:58:45 pm
I think that's good topic to show you it.
SIC ,Fischetti ,Trapani ,SAPD ,FBI vs Gvardia
https://youtu.be/2T3ibDdqQII
Where did you saw SIC?
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 06:03:28 pm
As I said before, if we look in the past and see now, we are doing far more better then before (DM less) and you can't expect no DM at all, that's not possible. I don't know how you see it but from my side DM has lessen.

Assuming your forum acc creation date is also about when you joined the community i can say you have no clue what you're talkimg about.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Mazen. on October 18, 2017, 06:26:40 pm
Where did you saw SIC?
i don't remember the name but video didn't get all people was there.
That shootou which most of trapani's return after death.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Darty on October 18, 2017, 06:32:07 pm
I agree on the DM part, and that SIC did engage without interaction.
 But you also bash on SIC and SAPD teaming up RPly, I don't see anything wrong here...I mean in desperate times you take desperate measures.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend..You know all that..and the DM thing as far as I can see was solved IG by staff members, so why do you bring that to the forum?
 And if you feel that Argonath is turning into a TDM server, you are wrong. In the last months the DM has been lowered down...and you can't expect NO shootouts with so many crime organizations (And you should make the difference between a shootout that is justified and DM) And trust me DM gets punished and is not tolerated.
^^^^^^
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2017, 06:38:08 pm
Assuming your forum acc creation date is also about when you joined the community i can say you have no clue what you're talkimg about.
I am here since last November, yeah I am new and yeah I don't have any idea what was before but from February to now, things are better in matter of DM fests.
 And if I have no "clue" please explain I'm all ears.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Dean. on October 18, 2017, 06:42:55 pm
Allowing civilians to aid in an assault is not acceptable by law and will be enforced by the FBI.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 07:00:30 pm
I am here since last November, yeah I am new and yeah I don't have any idea what was before but from February to now, things are better in matter of DM fests.
 And if I have no "clue" please explain I'm all ears.

I tried to but you seem to be too stubborn.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Poli Pantev on October 18, 2017, 07:47:12 pm
But by teaming with a criminal group not only are they not enforcing but also are breaking the law. Do you ever think before talking?

What is wrong in cops siding with security?
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Acika on October 18, 2017, 07:52:06 pm
We only choose to RP when it suits us? No, it's been happening more than once from the same people to be honest, just friends who are cops and the other criminal fighting together against another group. You're either a criminal or a cop. If you want to fight as a cop go on duty, if you want to be a criminal fighting criminals, well you don't need an explanation for that. This is just a shitty reason for groups to use cops as a reason to DM and you all know it.
Throwback to 2012 when family reunions were still in style. No cops included.

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;)   ^^^
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Hammer_ on October 18, 2017, 08:00:10 pm
i don't remember the name but video didn't get all people was there.
That shootou which most of trapani's return after death.
And the time I got shot multiple times when I wasn't included in RP though I didn't even interact with you guys and I got shot then I got banned since my Game Ping was 350 and my FPS was 15, and I didn't get shot then I got banned.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Acika on October 18, 2017, 09:58:29 pm
Where did you saw SIC?
https://imgur.com/a/DXSGX
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 18, 2017, 10:08:40 pm
https://imgur.com/a/DXSGX

Not the same scene tho xd

Poor pigs don't even know the whole place is under cctv.. Bye bye badges
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: AK47 on October 18, 2017, 10:28:29 pm
aRgOnAtH iS rOlEpLaY sErVeR
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Rei on October 18, 2017, 10:34:35 pm
The mafia manipulated the cops, pure roleplay on my eyes.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: CrUpt3d_$oUL on October 18, 2017, 10:59:21 pm
The mafia manipulated the cops, pure roleplay on my eyes.
   :app:
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Darty on October 18, 2017, 11:09:07 pm
The mafia manipulated the cops, pure roleplay on my eyes.
:app: :app: :)
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Huntsman on October 18, 2017, 11:31:54 pm
This is pure corruption, this should just be reported to the FBI and have it over with. There is nothing wrong out of RP boundaries in this situation.

You, on the other hand, are using PM's to communicate throughout the video. PM very rp yes.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Julio. on October 19, 2017, 12:26:38 pm
I think it's been clarified before that PM *can* be used in an RP fashion (though I do agree this creates a pretty large "grey area"). This would depend on the exact scenario I guess though.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Vaeldious on October 19, 2017, 12:35:35 pm
I think it's been clarified before that PM *can* be used in an RP fashion (though I do agree this creates a pretty large "grey area"). This would depend on the exact scenario I guess though.

My understanding is that PM can only be substituted for SMS, in situations where you would have your phone, and that person as a contact.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 19, 2017, 04:11:25 pm
This is pure corruption, this should just be reported to the FBI and have it over with. There is nothing wrong out of RP boundaries in this situation.

You, on the other hand, are using PM's to communicate throughout the video. PM very rp yes.


I am not the one who recorded it. I wasn't even present at the scene. Saying theres nothing wrong with it outside rp bounderies doesn't really make sense if it wasn't roleplayed. But i guess i forgot 2 simple lines count as roleplay on this server so i guess you are right.

You can close the topic i got my answer. Hopefully we will change the game mode officially some time soon too
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Marco. on October 19, 2017, 04:30:57 pm
The mafia manipulated the cops, pure roleplay on my eyes.
Well said.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Jairo. on October 19, 2017, 04:35:51 pm
Manipulation. That's what this world of its own has.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Andeey on October 20, 2017, 06:26:11 am
The SAPD should not be accepting help from anybody other than law enforcement in shootouts with other criminals, You're fucking SAPD so please act like it.

SAPD Basically invited in criminals and endangered their lives and the lives of the weed growers by doing so, Every SAPD officer in that situation should be fired and ashamed of themselves.
since forever no players are allowed to act as "police" and help apprehend suspects, What makes this okay this time around? nothing..


If you seriously cannot find enough officers to take down a single field then go fucking talk to your superiors and force them to fix your current lack of law enforcement members, You have a chief and leadership team members to talk to, So please don't go against the rules to "win" a situation.

This is a side note for future endeavors like this. No you may NOT take criminal aid when attempting to take down a weed field, if you're outnumbered and cannot take the field with the current numbers you have then sit back and await backup / And if there is no backup then you need to either go in the right way(without criminal organizations helping) or fall back.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Younes on October 20, 2017, 11:49:21 am

Too bad SAPD isn't taken care of like it used to be.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: William Carter on October 20, 2017, 11:52:03 am
 Just give a call to chester and he will flip up the city with /copbans   :D
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 12:20:58 pm

I don't fully agree. If it's actually roleplayed well and there's other reason to it, rather than to just gun down a common enemy, i would allow it. But in this case i think it is pretty obviously that the only agenda they had was to team up for a shootout, 'team deathmatch'
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Tonny. on October 20, 2017, 01:53:57 pm
The SAPD should not be accepting help from anybody other than law enforcement in shootouts with other criminals, You're fucking SAPD so please act like it.

SAPD Basically invited in criminals and endangered their lives and the lives of the weed growers by doing so, Every SAPD officer in that situation should be fired and ashamed of themselves.
since forever no players are allowed to act as "police" and help apprehend suspects, What makes this okay this time around? nothing..


If you seriously cannot find enough officers to take down a single field then go fucking talk to your superiors and force them to fix your current lack of law enforcement members, You have a chief and leadership team members to talk to, So please don't go against the rules to "win" a situation.

This is a side note for future endeavors like this. No you may NOT take criminal aid when attempting to take down a weed field, if you're outnumbered and cannot take the field with the current numbers you have then sit back and await backup / And if there is no backup then you need to either go in the right way(without criminal organizations helping) or fall back.

The aggression in this will all the "fuckings" is more of an opinion than a threat/note. No one is a criminal unless proven so, therefore I'd replace all those terms with civilians. Yes, civilians doing police work is illegal by constitution and can be arrested afterwards, but not a server rulebreak.

Other than that, due to lack of personnel, in real life, or for other reasons, agencies hire private armies or groups, licensed in protection, to aid in different operations.

To sum up, this is just an unbased, dumb, not serious opinion full of rage.

:)
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Matt Murdock on October 20, 2017, 02:32:51 pm
The SAPD should not be accepting help from anybody other than law enforcement in shootouts with other criminals, You're fucking SAPD so please act like it.

SAPD Basically invited in criminals and endangered their lives and the lives of the weed growers by doing so, Every SAPD officer in that situation should be fired and ashamed of themselves.
since forever no players are allowed to act as "police" and help apprehend suspects, What makes this okay this time around? nothing..


If you seriously cannot find enough officers to take down a single field then go fucking talk to your superiors and force them to fix your current lack of law enforcement members, You have a chief and leadership team members to talk to, So please don't go against the rules to "win" a situation.

This is a side note for future endeavors like this. No you may NOT take criminal aid when attempting to take down a weed field, if you're outnumbered and cannot take the field with the current numbers you have then sit back and await backup / And if there is no backup then you need to either go in the right way(without criminal organizations helping) or fall back.
So its ok if FBI does it, but not if SAPD does it?  :neutral:

Specially when there's no such RP as a corrupt Fed but corrupt cops are everywhere.

Refer to Barosky and his crew from your fav show, the same show your MC is based on. Hope the video brings back some memories. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-DlVQUMk34

For anyone else, refer to Sons of Anarchy Season 7 Episode 5.  :lol:
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 02:37:09 pm
Corrupt cop roleplay is one thing and teaming for the sake of winning a dm fest is another.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Matt Murdock on October 20, 2017, 02:41:47 pm
Corrupt cop roleplay is one thing and teaming for the sake of winning a dm fest is another.
Then stop creating DM fests and crying Argonath supports TDM whenever you lose. One must be the change they wish to see.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 02:43:36 pm
Then stop creating DM fests and crying Argonath supports TDM whenever you lose. One must be the change they wish to see.

Now you're just talking out of your ass.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Matt Murdock on October 20, 2017, 02:47:16 pm
Now you're just talking out of your ass.
Annnnd that's how you get ignored in a conversation which could be a good one. :hah:

I just never understood those people who shit on Argonath yet drag their asses here over and over to do same things that they hate.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 02:59:34 pm
Annnnd that's how you get ignored in a conversation which could be a good one. :hah:

I just never understood those people who shit on Argonath yet drag their asses here over and over to do same things that they hate.

Couldn't have been a good conversation since you are talking out of your ass.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Kenji on October 20, 2017, 03:03:06 pm
supported
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Tonny. on October 20, 2017, 03:03:29 pm
Couldn't have been a good conversation since you are talking out of your ass.
He's not talking out of his ass. I was there when you engaged on a weedfield twice, DMing as well as returning after death, for which you got warned.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 03:18:44 pm
He's not talking out of his ass. I was there when you engaged on a weedfield twice, DMing as well as returning after death, for which you got warned.

10 minutes before that i just came close to weed field, ALONE, and got shot without a single warning. I wasn't close enough to see their names and report them, so i tried to leave. But then they popped the back tyre on my nrg to stop me. So yea i returned after death to finish off the cops who dmed me. And the exact reason that i only got warned is that i got dmed before that.

And the only other occassion when i shot at weed field in the past 6 months was when people basically aimed their guns at me and told my to leave my group member's weed field. So no i do not start dm fests and dm fests are the reason for my low acticity.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 03:24:24 pm
You can both talk shit about me all you want. The fact is that me and my groups rped more than most other groups did combined together. And definetly more than two of you lol
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: James on October 20, 2017, 03:29:30 pm

I just never understood those people who shit on Argonath yet drag their asses here over and over to do same things that they hate.
(https://i.imgur.com/UgoYbF4.png)
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Matt Murdock on October 20, 2017, 04:04:49 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/UgoYbF4.png)
Do I need to underline a certain part of that sentence for you to understand better, with the date included?  :lol:

Its good to see you back here tho, and to know you are still obsessed with me to the extent that you are also giving your attention to our WS forums, digging up my 4 months old posts prior to the Argonath admin team restructure.  ;) Welcome back, just wish your return was more constructive and not so futile like that other Argo-rip off community, Mr Cena.  :lol:
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Tonny. on October 20, 2017, 04:07:30 pm
10 minutes before that i just came close to weed field, ALONE, and got shot without a single warning. I wasn't close enough to see their names and report them, so i tried to leave. But then they popped the back tyre on my nrg to stop me. So yea i returned after death to finish off the cops who dmed me. And the exact reason that i only got warned is that i got dmed before that.

And the only other occassion when i shot at weed field in the past 6 months was when people basically aimed their guns at me and told my to leave my group member's weed field. So no i do not start dm fests and dm fests are the reason for my low acticity.
You got in a weedfield with an active shootout.

So you decided to DM those who DMed you and died so youI came back after death DMing the DMers who DMed you for DMing
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Boozman on October 20, 2017, 04:07:59 pm
CBFasi is turning in his virtual grave
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 04:15:23 pm
You got in a weedfield with an active shootout.

So you decided to DM those who DMed you and died so youI came back after death DMing the DMers who DMed you for DMing

There wasn't an active shootout, there was no one but 3 cops present at the field.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Tonny. on October 20, 2017, 05:03:19 pm
There wasn't an active shootout, there was no one but 3 cops present at the field.
Around five actually, and because the rest had just died
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 05:43:30 pm
Around five actually, and because the rest had just died

I am not sure what that has to do with anything but no, there were 3 cops only. Roman and another one shot me from the start and third one just ran around. Some may have arrived by the time i returned. But again none of that has anything to do with the current amount of team deathmatch scenes.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Vitorrio on October 20, 2017, 06:16:15 pm
So yea i returned after death to finish off the cops who dmed me. And the exact reason that i only got warned is that i got dmed before that.

And the only other occassion when i shot at weed field in the past 6 months was when people basically aimed their guns at me and told my to leave my group member's weed field. So no i do not start dm fests and dm fests are the reason for my low acticity.
Still, revenge killing is and never was acceptable on Argonath RPG.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 06:23:05 pm
Still, revenge killing is and never was acceptable on Argonath RPG.

No one said it was but thanks for letting us know.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Spike. on October 20, 2017, 08:07:11 pm
CBFasi is turning in his virtual grave

(http://i.imgur.com/d5ZZO7b.gif)
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Vitorrio on October 20, 2017, 08:40:41 pm
By the way, if pretty much all the decent roleplaying people are aware of this issue in SA:MP, can't there be "Roleplay 101" courses as often as possible trying to explain those players who think that most roleplay situations should end up in a massive deathmatch, how can they actually find ways not to turn things into shoot-out excuses?
As far as I know, anyone can make a public event and an ad (/ad) is affordable by almost everyone. All that is left is some patience.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Younes on October 20, 2017, 08:55:27 pm
By the way, if pretty much all the decent roleplaying people are aware of this issue in SA:MP, can't there be "Roleplay 101" courses as often as possible trying to explain those players who think that most roleplay situations should end up in a massive deathmatch, how can they actually find ways not to turn things into shoot-out excuses?
As far as I know, anyone can make a public event and an ad (/ad) is affordable by almost everyone. All that is left is some patience.

You can't teach all players how to roleplay. Only way is to implement rules, make them read it and punish those that go against it.

In my opinion, we lack rules that could be clear for everyone, including admins to show how situations should end and doing this and that is wrong. It is true that rules list is long, but I'm pretty sure that adding more rules and clear ones could make it easier and would take less time waste in future.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Vitorrio on October 20, 2017, 09:07:20 pm
You can't teach all players how to roleplay. Only way is to implement rules, make them read it and punish those that go against it.

In my opinion, we lack rules that could be clear for everyone, including admins to show how situations should end and doing this and that is wrong. It is true that rules list is long, but I'm pretty sure that adding more rules and clear ones could make it easier and would take less time waste in future.
Clearer rules, yes. I think the whole list should be rebuilt from the ground up. And, as long as we don't interfere with the Argonath vision, we might have results. Would polls help here? Also, I hope one day new players won't see people helping them as "admins", but, simply as fellow players.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: jovanca on October 20, 2017, 09:34:00 pm
Rules are simple enough they just need to be enforced better. Even at the cost of losing players
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Matt Murdock on October 21, 2017, 02:42:16 am
You can't teach all players how to roleplay. Only way is to implement rules, make them read it and punish those that go against it.

In my opinion, we lack rules that could be clear for everyone, including admins to show how situations should end and doing this and that is wrong. It is true that rules list is long, but I'm pretty sure that adding more rules and clear ones could make it easier and would take less time waste in future.
Actually the problem is some players who try to find their way around the rules, where they do the rule break right on the borderline, thus it cannot be termed as one. That mentality has to change, but there was only one Lord Buddha in this world. :P
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: CharlieKasper on October 21, 2017, 05:58:19 am
I honestly see nothing wrong in this situation. It's corruption and SAPD could have played it better but overall it seems nothing close to death matching.

Guess completely real possible roleplay scenarios are still not allowed.
Title: Re: Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?
Post by: Hidduh on October 24, 2017, 02:06:47 pm
It's been quite a while now since the server started turning into team deathmatch

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