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GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: badboy.dhia on April 13, 2018, 09:25:05 pm

Title: Old fishing system ?
Post by: badboy.dhia on April 13, 2018, 09:25:05 pm
today i just tried fishing for the first time on t4 ! and it will be the last time i will fish on it !
i am really shocked about the new fishing system , honestly its really terrible
i used to fish everyday on T3 , now i will never fish again , and no one will do
lets be honest , only new players will fish for /tutorial
else i dont think others players will /fish anymore and enjooy it
also with this new system , speed boats (squalo , jetmax , tropic  ets ..) are just become useless , no one will use them anymore ,
why not removing them then ? i just see no reason for existing for thoes boats , also /gps boats ds is totaly useless now why not removing it too ?
like do u think a player will spend more than 150-180k on a speed boats  that he cant even use it on fishing ?
on the old system we used to team work on fishing , 2 and 3 players fish at the same time !
one is fishing with reefer and the other one use speed boat to sell fish and they shares the money , which is smth very good !

how about we go back to the old fishing system and this will be amazing
What if it went something like.. if you have your own Reefer boat, then you can store more fish onto it?

Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Commander_Cj on April 13, 2018, 11:12:07 pm
Fishing system was changed for a reasonable and greater reason. Which is probably abusing this job for profit and grinding.

The point is that Fishing wasn't implemented for people to come and grind all day long on the server, It was made to improve the Roleplay and adding more realistic jobs and usage to the sea all over Liberty City.

Boats are useful always. But the current circumstances can't allow us to use them for more things, and not using them doesn't mean we need to remove them and the Boats DS/GS to fulfill wishes of people who are not able to create some nice Roleplays using them neither are able to find their true usage.
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Mihail Junkovich on April 14, 2018, 09:15:31 am
The point is that Fishing wasn't implemented for people to come and grind all day long on the server, It was made to improve the Roleplay and adding more realistic jobs and usage to the sea all over Liberty City.

Yeah, right  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: leonkenndy on April 14, 2018, 09:21:22 am
/me either add something to discussion or do not post at all
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: superh2o on April 14, 2018, 10:45:58 am
Point stands, the team work aspect of old fishing rewarded you for teaming up, maybe do something like if 2+ refers are in same zone they get a bonus on capacity/quantity.

As any game people love to own things, money now a days is hard to farm, well unless you wanna be a douch about it and solo complete FD/EMS missions.

Teamwork should be rewarded for fishing.

P. S Leon living expanses in LC are now on all time high, vehicle damage repairs, taxes, more expensive vehicles, people who own biz must use pretty big amounts of cash to stock all they need.
So a money farming way might be needed for some who don't wish to turn to illegal means.
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: JackDockz on April 14, 2018, 11:31:26 am
I thought it was a RP server not a money grinding server.

The only reason I am on Argonath now is because of IV:MP. Atleast here money grinding is not too much. And I would love to keep it going that way. I dont want people grinding money whole day instead of Rping.
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Mihail Junkovich on April 14, 2018, 12:03:42 pm
Yah, we should butcher the fireman/medic jobs as well :lol:
Say no to grinding
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Semirak on April 14, 2018, 01:04:51 pm
The point is that Fishing wasn't implemented for people to come and grind all day long on the server, It was made to improve the Roleplay and adding more realistic jobs and usage to the sea all over Liberty City.
I think its wrong this. U seriously said "people fishes all the day" ? The only player i saw fishing more of 2-4 hours is MHAQ , but isnt that the point.
Fireman and medics is the most active people. Now ferocia dont work for t4, but if u looked there , then most weekly active users were Ems.
A important question is :

What would these people do, who are active for 12 hours, if we make 1 month "No jobs month"?
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Nadim Jones on April 14, 2018, 01:24:56 pm
As Mane said
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vehicle damage repairs, taxes, more expensive vehicles, people who own biz must use pretty big amounts of cash to stock all they need.
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Thats why i do believe that we need a effective job to win legal money. Fishing takes nowadays 5minutes maybe more to go back with the reefer and sells the fish then going back with 40km/h. i think the old system would be better and based on team work since two people can use the same reefer by splitting. Today if 2 peoples takes the reefer. Others wont be able to fish unless they buy their own boat which is pretty expensive :c .
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Commander_Cj on April 14, 2018, 01:31:40 pm
Well, In real life there is some people who are their only source of living is fishing Blue Tuna. Those tunas could make them earn up to 20 Grands (20,000$) if they were lucky enough.

Fishing won't be the only source to earn legal money I guess, But yeah I do agree that we need a more profit source nowadays. Basically we need new jobs.
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: superh2o on April 14, 2018, 02:31:04 pm
I thought it was a RP server not a money grinding server.
what about all rp biz that were made, without money income, they can all keep stores empty. When money farming is said, at least by me. I mean spending money doing actions in return for some value, if you rate jobs per money gained for time used, mechanic wins by a lot, driver and fishing are down at bottom of the list, im in such a position i hire ppl to work for me, but not all are so fortunate. What ever rp you decide to make from races to sight seeing around LC you need money to get it to work. Fact remains you need time and money to rp, free spontan rps are not rare but are random and short.
In the long run a good biz requires /ads, phone calls, making of deals, bew ideas for getting a edge over similar companies. All that requires money or time.
Good legal jobs are needed, there is no afk money farming (afk mech at mgs only), if you are in need of money and don't wanna hustle with EMS/FD you are left with 2 none player interaction jobs and mechanic, picking between trucking or fishing is down to personal preferences. Mechanic requires luck and fast response time, so if there are 25+ players it a great job. If there are 7-8 players its pathetic.

Large money sinks as those T4 introduced are great for balancing the economy but players should still be able to farm money if they wish so in legal jobs.

Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Serifis on April 14, 2018, 05:16:30 pm
today i just tried fishing for the first time on t4 ! and it will be the last time i will fish on it !
i am really shocked about the new fishing system , honestly its really terrible
i used to fish everyday on T3 , now i will never fish again , and no one will do
lets be honest , only new players will fish for /tutorial
else i dont think others players will /fish anymore and enjooy it
also with this new system , speed boats (squalo , jetmax , tropic  ets ..) are just become useless , no one will use them anymore ,
why not removing them then ? i just see no reason for existing for thoes boats , also /gps boats ds is totaly useless now why not removing it too ?
like do u think a player will spend more than 150-180k on a speed boats  that he cant even use it on fishing ?
on the old system we used to team work on fishing , 2 and 3 players fish at the same time !
one is fishing with reefer and the other one use speed boat to sell fish and they shares the money , which is smth very good !

how about we go back to the old fishing system and this will be amazing
What if it went something like.. if you have your own Reefer boat, then you can store more fish onto it?

I laughing while watching one of the best player of 2017 in a RP server, crying for script job. Are you sure that you know the point of our server? Btw you can easy find profits by selling guns to a new players for high prices as you already done, dont worry ;)
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Semirak on April 14, 2018, 05:52:16 pm
Btw you can easy find profits by selling guns to a new players for high prices as you already done, dont worry ;)

that isnt scamming?
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: dread_king on April 14, 2018, 06:00:52 pm
That's business  ;)
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Serifis on April 14, 2018, 06:05:41 pm
It is or not, Im not the one who can say that. So far looks like it is not as well using "/ad" for selling guns while you have an ilegal store too.
Tips for these who want money than RP.  :lol:
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: JackDockz on April 14, 2018, 06:34:38 pm
Btw you can easy find profits by selling guns to a new players for high prices as you already done, dont worry ;)

that isnt scamming?

Im sure it is. Joey told me that it's scamming. I have seen it many times from different players. Reported some but admins never took action. So, its just a rulebreak that doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: badboy.dhia on April 14, 2018, 07:32:12 pm
Btw you can easy find profits by selling guns to a new players for high prices as you already done, dont worry ;)
It is or not, Im not the one who can say that. So far looks like it is not as well using "/ad" for selling guns while you have an ilegal store too.
Tips for these who want money than RP.  :lol:
Im sure it is. Joey told me that it's scamming. I have seen it many times from different players. Reported some but admins never took action. So, its just a rulebreak that doesn't really matter.

i think this topic is about fishing system ! not about guns , scamming , my guns shops ! so please dont flood it with bullshits !


The point is that Fishing wasn't implemented for people to come and grind all day long on the server, It was made to improve the Roleplay and adding more realistic jobs and usage to the sea all over Liberty City.
I think its wrong this. U seriously said "people fishes all the day" ? The only player i saw fishing more of 2-4 hours is MHAQ , but isnt that the point.
Fireman and medics is the most active people. Now ferocia dont work for t4, but if u looked there , then most weekly active users were Ems.
i totaly agree with what semirak say !
i never saw a player spend the whole day fishing !
specially on T4 , i Only saw new players fishing for /tutorial !
all the players spend the whole day playing doing /fireman , /medic , or being AFK on mgs on /mechanic job .
and i saw lot of players moaning about grinding and producing money  !
well not everyone hate money ! and lets
Yah, we should butcher the fireman/medic jobs as well :lol:
Say no to grinding

A important question is :
What would these people do, who are active for 12 hours, if we make 1 month "No jobs month"?
what would thoes players do ? spend 12 hours role playing ?
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Commander_Cj on April 14, 2018, 08:39:47 pm
The point is that Fishing wasn't implemented for people to come and grind all day long on the server, It was made to improve the Roleplay and adding more realistic jobs and usage to the sea all over Liberty City.
I think its wrong this. U seriously said "people fishes all the day" ? The only player i saw fishing more of 2-4 hours is MHAQ , but isnt that the point.
Fireman and medics is the most active people. Now ferocia dont work for t4, but if u looked there , then most weekly active users were Ems.

I was clearly speaking about T3....
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Serifis on April 14, 2018, 09:36:45 pm

i think this topic is about fishing system ! not about guns , scamming , my guns shops ! so please dont flood it with bullshits !


I see that you are mad for losing your lovely script job or try to hide something else, anyway you didnt get my point as well Semirak and JackDockz and like they are saying into my village, "A picture is worth a thousand words".

(https://i.imgur.com/NMVLnan.jpg)

And if you find that as not a proper comment for your subject "Fishing System", here is one.

Unsupported.
Fishing system was changed for a reasonable and greater reason. Which is probably abusing this job for profit and grinding.

The point is that Fishing wasn't implemented for people to come and grind all day long on the server, It was made to improve the Roleplay and adding more realistic jobs and usage to the sea all over Liberty City.
I would like to add on CJ`s words that, fishing job seems to be hacked while players was able to find all the time Atlantic-cod.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=121833.0
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Nadim Jones on April 14, 2018, 10:11:50 pm
I thought it was a RP server not a money grinding server.

The only reason I am on Argonath now is because of IV:MP. Atleast here money grinding is not too much. And I would love to keep it going that way. I dont want people grinding money whole day instead of Rping.
I think its not about grinding, its kind of a problem for fishermans cause it will take more time to get those 400 or 500bucks cause LC's became harder with taxes etc, also working is a part of role play if people knew how to work(using more roleplay and imagination) the decrease of roleplay would rise again.

I would like to add on CJ`s words that, fishing job seems to be hacked while players was able to find all the time Atlantic-cod.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=121833.0
i dont think its hack, i tried in T3 what usman's did in the video, its just a matter of luck  ;).
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Serifis on April 14, 2018, 11:12:50 pm
i dont think its hack, i tried in T3 what usman's did in the video, its just a matter of luck  ;).

I was the second boat, the fast one and trust me the fisherman had Atlantic-cod before I could even step on the land aka at the fish market (Max 2 minutes later after our /trade) and that was not only once or twice, was the whole 1 hour that we was fishing. So yeah from the first hand I can say that was kinda "hacked",  ofc not with the original meaning of the word.
It was like on Trucker job, you know already when and at wich C station are the expensive cargos, so you took only these to deliver them.
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: JackDockz on April 15, 2018, 05:56:44 am
I thought it was a RP server not a money grinding server.

The only reason I am on Argonath now is because of IV:MP. Atleast here money grinding is not too much. And I would love to keep it going that way. I dont want people grinding money whole day instead of Rping.
I think its not about grinding, its kind of a problem for fishermans cause it will take more time to get those 400 or 500bucks cause LC's became harder with taxes etc, also working is a part of role play if people knew how to work(using more roleplay and imagination) the decrease of roleplay would rise again.


Yeah i agree with that. New tax system+ Car damage  and old t3 job salaries don't work. Pays should be increased. It shouldn't be like earning 1000$ to lose 2000$. Its not really that easy to control vehicle damage in gta 4. And also, there is always someone who could blow up the gs you are filling up in and boom.

Samp and vcmp have taxes and this things but their money system provides them with very much money aswell. Its like I can do some trucking or street sweeping and get me set for 2 months. That too just for rp.

I would suggest less cost of repairing vehicles. Atleast till the time everybody can cope with vehicle damage prevention.
Firemen and medic missions should pay higher when working in a team. They should be more frequent.
Trucking should not have the timers. Like whenever I truck in samp, i stop by a lot to have some rp with passerbys.
More Job options. So that they need lesser time to be completed but are not really grindable. Like the tutorial but less.
The weed system should be equalized. Criminal money is overrated as always. Could be some less.
More Money to da cops. It will promote people to become cops.
Apartments maybe?
Allow players to set custom interiors after the client is more stable.
Tax system is perfect. I would prefer it to be calculated by the amount of properties owned by a player rather than standard values.
Make weapons a little costlier. Especially the new ones which deal heavy damage. Sniper is cheap af.
Advanced MG also.
Promote roleplay jobs. Make them great!

Idk what else. Maybe some more things
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Commander_Cj on April 15, 2018, 09:41:08 pm
More Job options. So that they need lesser time to be completed but are not really grindable. Like the tutorial but less.
Off topic.

Taxi is such a great job with too much Roleplaying opportunities and good profit. But many people refuse to call taxi(s) even if you offer them free rides.

You would even save more money in hiring a taxi (If rewards were less, Nowadays its kinda 500+ per island q.q) than driving your car recklessly and fixing it each 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Abhiram on April 15, 2018, 10:17:30 pm
More Job options. So that they need lesser time to be completed but are not really grindable. Like the tutorial but less.
Off topic.

Taxi is such a great job with too much Roleplaying opportunities and good profit. But many people refuse to call taxi(s) even if you offer them free rides.

You would even save more money in hiring a taxi (If rewards were less, Nowadays its kinda 500+ per island q.q) than driving your car recklessly and fixing it each 10 minutes.

I everytime used to call taxi when a driver is online.
But rest of people dont call taxis someofthem are greedy on money that money is wasted LOL.
Btw u r slow driver :p :D :gand:
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Abhiram on April 15, 2018, 10:20:24 pm
today i just tried fishing for the first time on t4 ! and it will be the last time i will fish on it !
i am really shocked about the new fishing system , honestly its really terrible
i used to fish everyday on T3 , now i will never fish again , and no one will do
lets be honest , only new players will fish for /tutorial
else i dont think others players will /fish anymore and enjooy it
also with this new system , speed boats (squalo , jetmax , tropic  ets ..) are just become useless , no one will use them anymore ,
why not removing them then ? i just see no reason for existing for thoes boats , also /gps boats ds is totaly useless now why not removing it too ?
like do u think a player will spend more than 150-180k on a speed boats  that he cant even use it on fishing ?
on the old system we used to team work on fishing , 2 and 3 players fish at the same time !
one is fishing with reefer and the other one use speed boat to sell fish and they shares the money , which is smth very good !

how about we go back to the old fishing system and this will be amazing
What if it went something like.. if you have your own Reefer boat, then you can store more fish onto it?

Game/Fishing is just for Fun/Timepass not to earn money like millionaires
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Nadim Jones on April 15, 2018, 10:28:46 pm
Game/Fishing is just for Fun/Timepass not to earn money like millionaires
If you said Game then yeah but if we talk in a role play way. Then we must think of fishermans that their source of money is related to the fishes collected and to the reefer boat which i personally think it became harder.
Title: Re: Old fishing system ?
Post by: Assassin_Creed on May 15, 2018, 08:57:17 pm
i agree that ... old system was : unlimit baits and better prices on fishes + atlantic-cod . but now on new system i fished 50 fishes and price 348$ ...without atlantic
i`d like to have old system
*You Have Fished A Atlantic-Cod*was a good word when fishing for me  :lol:
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