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GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: Kolta on July 09, 2018, 11:32:09 am

Title: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Kolta on July 09, 2018, 11:32:09 am
As we all know, some players own more than 5 bizs. Some own more than 10 and most of them own business around the most active place in LC, MGS. And this is totally unfair to players who want to invest their money and get good profit. So my suggestion is that the amount of business should be limited to every player like 5 maximum for every player in order to make other players able to find good bizs in good locations
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 09, 2018, 11:45:49 am
SUPPORTED.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: dread_king on July 09, 2018, 12:06:42 pm
No matter what where your businesses are if you work hard, do more ads, get known, attract players you can make good money. And most of the players who own 5+ businesses have worked their butts off in the past to make money and buy them, you can't just snatch that away.  :D

Unsupported.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: James Conway on July 09, 2018, 12:42:07 pm
SUPPORTED.
Why do you support it? And why is it red?  :neutral2:
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: about10pandas on July 09, 2018, 01:24:30 pm
Tax is one way of having less businesses. In T3, people had more than 15 restaurants alone (I had less than 10) but now they're less as we've seen someone that had more than 15 businesses in T3 now have less than 10 due to higher taxes. So I guess we don't need any more limits. Unsupported.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: badboy.dhia on July 09, 2018, 01:47:10 pm
let's just stop feeling jealous  about others !
we all know that there are players who own lot of properties on LC !
yes i am one of them and i own lot of business :)
the Liberty city state offer lot of business and houses For Sale !
so everyone can own lot of properties !
if u want to own lot of business u need to learn smth called "hard work" , and stop caring about others!
also u must be ready to face huge amount of money u have to pay due to taxes!
UnSupported
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: superh2o on July 09, 2018, 01:48:58 pm
This change wont have a effect on people who own more then 5 in any way, sure you wont see there name on it but a holder will own it and its the same as having no limit.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Joey on July 09, 2018, 01:52:50 pm
Did you try buying it from a player? Everything has a price, you just need to find the right offer to buy something. Just making a topic won't really help you get what you want.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Kolta on July 09, 2018, 01:58:32 pm
Okay so many do not support so I think this topic can be deleted. It was just an idea I wanted to share with you..
Thank you all for your opinions.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: James Conway on July 09, 2018, 02:26:45 pm
SUPPORTED.
Still no reason why you support it?  :D

Okay so many do not support so I think this topic can be deleted. It was just an idea I wanted to share with you..
Thank you all for your opinions.
The thought about your idea is good. I assume you want a fair system where businesses are divided under the players. I had a difficult time with it when T4 opened, 2 or 3 players rushed to get all dealerships and clothingshops in the beginning for example, where I much rather would have seen it being divided by several players instead of only 2 or 3. I hope that the tax implementation is a good way to discourage people from owning alot of businesses. Also setting new businesses might have ramped up the competition, giving players more opportunities. If there is still an unbalance that you would like to see fixed, I would want you to create an idea/suggestion topic for it.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 09, 2018, 03:24:42 pm
Nah not really needed since t4 has taxes already. Anyways I shop and joyes and badboys shops so better not to remove them.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: KillerD on July 09, 2018, 03:44:38 pm
SUPPORTED.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: James Conway on July 09, 2018, 03:52:52 pm
SUPPORTED.
What's your reason to support it?
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Commander_Cj on July 09, 2018, 06:11:39 pm
SUPPORTED.
SUPPORTED.

Typing "supported" / "unsupported" with what ever color or font exists in this world isn't enough. You need to state your opinion and why you support/unsupport this idea.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 09, 2018, 06:13:07 pm
See i support it because mgs is place where all rest after doing their stuff like mission. 3rd island people go for only mission/chase what ur saying is tax will increase more for sale yes  on 3rd island i agree 3rd island does not have the demand like 1st island. A rich person if he has 10+ biz give it to ones without for just decrease tax of owner. If i request a biz in 1st island its getting denied Most people buy stuffs from 1st island they barely go to third island. Most rich people own business near mgs which has most demand than all. Im saying if i open a electronics store on 3rd island i would barely get a penny as all people hangout on 1st island it would crush the business ending up selling them People who owned small business end up selling/some of em are off since ages. As Panda said taxes, consider i have 5+ biz i can just give to my friend 3 biz for just decreasing tax how tht affects the biz? Joey said a fair price  consider a gun shop near mgs for 90k or 110k now the owner wants to sell if im a buyer the owner says as "price" 300k should i buy that???? Why would i waste more than double amount for it. Either solution is limiting biz or it will end up in problems in future. James your example is 100% true. What opportunities ? People would like to buy a biz near demanded area or go far from it? Consider I (in America)wanna buy pizza I would go to Africa or buy from same city? Thats what im telling here. Consider i ask Joey for mgs his "price" will be above 900k that is the demand for that area which is not offordable for us to buy (who are developing). As u can see more for sale on 3rd island than 2nd island why? Because of less income! Only solution is limiting. Consider i got millions irl will i buy each and every building ? Would the people agree to it? The ones which are for sale are of less demand/high cost. We all start from "hardwork" its not fair to see rich people own most property where there is most demand for business. James it was red cuz its good colour and superman underwear colour :kilt:<3 Either solution is limiting to 5, more or less depending on the people.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: James Conway on July 09, 2018, 10:59:31 pm

Thank you for explaining your choice.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 10, 2018, 03:49:32 am
Melan right  :app:
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Kowalski. on July 10, 2018, 09:22:41 am
I agree 100% with melan, the demand for a specific area makes the income and investment unbalanced.

Supported, though I'd go for 3 businesses, even, in order to accommodate all players.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: izolenta on July 11, 2018, 10:05:18 pm
Ehm...To many letters to read...Oh, come on, k I support it, just leave me alone
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: James Conway on July 11, 2018, 10:47:44 pm
Ehm...To many letters to read...Oh, come on, k I support it, just leave me alone
Any specific reason you are supporting it?
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Younes on July 12, 2018, 02:30:50 am
I support the idea.

This server should be all about fairness and having a player own all the clothing stores + vehicle dealerships + restaurants + many other stores just in the first island is ridiculous and in no way supports players to play or work for what they want.

You're rich? Sure get a 2millions buyout and buy it.. but where is fairness in that?
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: superh2o on July 12, 2018, 03:45:11 am
You cant become rich by being idle, also you tend to forget years  we gave to ivmp to become rich it didnt happen over night.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: badboy.dhia on July 12, 2018, 03:47:41 am
You're rich? Sure get a 2millions buyout and buy it.. but where is fairness in that?
i am selling restaurants at hove beach (first island)  for 10k buy out :)
also there are lot of business for sale at first island
they are waiting players to search for them
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 12, 2018, 10:52:41 am
You cant become rich by being idle, also you tend to forget years  we gave to ivmp to become rich it didnt happen over night.
That is past this is present and future.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 12, 2018, 10:58:50 am
You're rich? Sure get a 2millions buyout and buy it.. but where is fairness in that?
i am selling restaurants at hove beach (first island)  for 10k buy out :)
also there are lot of business for sale at first island
they are waiting players to search for them
Ah nice joke everyone knows which ones are for sale they are just not buying because less demand/higher cost.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: superh2o on July 12, 2018, 11:20:51 am
You cant become rich by being idle, also you tend to forget years  we gave to ivmp to become rich it didnt happen over night.
That is past this is present and future.
the past is 2015 when we started playing, for 3 years now, with no money reset its natural we have money. I dont see a problem come in 3 years and then throw fortune cookie quotes.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 12, 2018, 11:38:04 am
Actually yeah, players with a lot of money deserve the money because they spent a lot of time on the server's.
But the idea here is that restricting more businesses. So, it should be that players who own a heck lotta businesses can keep the businesses but they cannot purchase anymore unless they sell already existing businesses.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: about10pandas on July 12, 2018, 11:53:17 am
Actually yeah, players with a lot of money deserve the money because they spent a lot of time on the server's.
But the idea here is that restricting more businesses. So, it should be that players who own a heck lotta businesses can keep the businesses but they cannot purchase anymore unless they sell already existing businesses.
So let's have 5 businesses and have millions in our inventories for nothing.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 12, 2018, 12:00:24 pm
Actually yeah, players with a lot of money deserve the money because they spent a lot of time on the server's.
But the idea here is that restricting more businesses. So, it should be that players who own a heck lotta businesses can keep the businesses but they cannot purchase anymore unless they sell already existing businesses.
So let's have 5 businesses and have millions in our inventories for nothing.

Hmmm. Idk. I dont even need a business so no say
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 12, 2018, 06:18:38 pm
Actually yeah, players with a lot of money deserve the money because they spent a lot of time on the server's.
But the idea here is that restricting more businesses. So, it should be that players who own a heck lotta businesses can keep the businesses but they cannot purchase anymore unless they sell already existing businesses.
So let's have 5 businesses and have millions in our inventories for nothing.
Business is not everything in Argonath u can buy cars spent with friends and many more. The rich have millions in pocket while poor working dont because the business letting us down.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 12, 2018, 06:31:18 pm
u can buy cars

I wouldn't say this to panda and joey :rofl:.

Form a union or something and roleplay the way out by protesting and opening seamless court cases until people get tired and adopt your idea.
RP is preferred. Pls rp. Pls.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 12, 2018, 06:36:25 pm
You cant become rich by being idle, also you tend to forget years  we gave to ivmp to become rich it didnt happen over night.
That is past this is present and future.
the past is 2015 when we started playing, for 3 years now, with no money reset its natural we have money. I dont see a problem come in 3 years and then throw fortune cookie quotes.
the problem is not for u guys its for us. I accept u guys earned it in past but its not fair to see all in demanded area occupied by 3-5 pples. Only hope for us people is restaurants and electronic shop and warehouses other all is occupied by rich guys and only on 2nd island higher cost  and 3rd island low cost but no demand. The more profitable ones are all occupied. Now many players aim on buying their favourite cars than business due to this. U can still make millions with 5 (more or less) but more time. Let average/poor peoples to develop too.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: beshoopaula on July 12, 2018, 06:59:53 pm
i agree with melan  :gand:
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: superh2o on July 12, 2018, 07:09:08 pm
As i said before even if there is a limmit, you will see more names but same owners.

What you are saying is more of a full server reset type of thing, then a limmit on number of biz. People will make contracts with holders to retain there biz even if limmit of 3 gets set, Let alone 5 biz.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 12, 2018, 07:25:31 pm
Then what is solution to the problem other than this or lower it than 3 as a person cannot keep many holders there is risk.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: superh2o on July 12, 2018, 08:03:27 pm
To re destribute propertys a server reset would be needed.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: beshoopaula on July 12, 2018, 08:25:11 pm
server reset may not be needed we can use taxes system in this case better moreover owner of the wanted biz near mgs can sell if for no  payout
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: about10pandas on July 13, 2018, 02:01:48 am
Well, we were just like you before. No money, no business, no car, no house. All the places were occupied by the richest. We worked hard to get those businesses and properties. How would a person that worked for years just to get one property sell it to someone that easily without a buyout? It's like working 5 years to get a house and then selling it back.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 13, 2018, 09:03:04 am
Well, we were just like you before. No money, no business, no car, no house. All the places were occupied by the richest. We worked hard to get those businesses and properties. How would a person that worked for years just to get one property sell it to someone that easily without a buyout? It's like working 5 years to get a house and then selling it back.
I agree but the profitable one's owners are asking too much buyout or they dont want to sell it. We cannot develop in this case we need a peaceful solution to this than reset.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 13, 2018, 11:18:11 am
I think that buy a property near the hot spots and initially set your price lower than others to gain regular customers then gradually increase the prices.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 13, 2018, 01:23:56 pm
I think that buy a property near the hot spots and initially set your price lower than others to gain regular customers then gradually increase the prices.
If i get a restaurant at 2nd or 3rd or 1st island far from mgs for first day few would come then from next day none. Because all like buying from near mgs than spending fuel and damages.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Commander_Cj on July 13, 2018, 02:19:52 pm
Honestly, the businesses at MGS which have been sold to state then offered for sale should've been auctioned first.

In this way people could have more chances to earn a business near MGS or retrieve their own better than watching them being owned by people who arrive there first at midnight.

Now, this chance is gone.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: jNewtonik on July 13, 2018, 03:13:00 pm
Honestly, the businesses at MGS which have been sold to state then offered for sale should've been auctioned first.

In this way people could have more chances to earn a business near MGS or retrieve their own better than watching them being owned by people who arrive there first at midnight.

Now, this chance is gone.
You are totaly right, there is no any fair competition on the way it is like now, different time zones help others to be first
in the server-restart, and they buy what ever they want without any problem.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: about10pandas on July 13, 2018, 03:36:24 pm
Honestly, the businesses at MGS which have been sold to state then offered for sale should've been auctioned first.
It's the same thing, the richer will try to buy it with more buyout so that they can have what they want. The poor have no chance again.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Commander_Cj on July 13, 2018, 03:39:26 pm
Honestly, the businesses at MGS which have been sold to state then offered for sale should've been auctioned first.
It's the same thing, the richer will try to buy it with more buyout so that they can have what they want. The poor have no chance again.

Still gives the people who can't camp there all time a chance to buy them. Or even apply restrictions to who already owns 2+ businesses there.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: jNewtonik on July 13, 2018, 10:11:55 pm
Honestly, the businesses at MGS which have been sold to state then offered for sale should've been auctioned first.
It's the same thing, the richer will try to buy it with more buyout so that they can have what they want. The poor have no chance again.
At least they don't get a worthy business at /building price "50,000$" as this is totally unfair, you already know what price they gonna sell it after all, even if they bought the properties at lowest possible price the buyouts getting crazy for MGS area.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: about10pandas on July 14, 2018, 03:29:12 am
Also the same thing in real life. Better places are worth more. Less unfortunate people can't afford those businesses or properties that are located there. I don't own anything near MGS but I still don't agree on limits. It's their hard work and hard work pays off. As Mane said, you'll see different names as the owner but it'll all go to the point where it's owned by only one guy. And also, taxes have made alot of properties go on sale, even the properties of rich people.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: superh2o on July 14, 2018, 10:15:29 am
Why dont you all organize and shift focus from mgs to 2nd island?
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 14, 2018, 10:42:32 am
I think we should organise a union and move the Hotspot from mgs to Algonquin.
Tall buildings and cheaper fuel and cheaper businesses and cheaper houses will do good to everyone.
Plus an apartment in rotterdam tower is 40k so everyone can live in Algonquin and that too in the tallest building.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Kolta on July 14, 2018, 11:06:31 am
I think we should organise a union and move the Hotspot from mgs to Algonquin.
Tall buildings and cheaper fuel and cheaper businesses and cheaper houses will do good to everyone.
Plus an apartment in rotterdam tower is 40k so everyone can live in Algonquin and that too in the tallest building.
I totaly agree with you, if we all moved to Algonquin it will be better for all players and they will be able to buy new business without huge buyouts if owner is state. Also Algonquin is beautiful with these towers and Star Junction so I think we should move to Algonquin
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Joey on July 14, 2018, 11:08:54 am
Plus an apartment in rotterdam tower is 40k
Excuse me? What?
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Commander_Cj on July 14, 2018, 12:11:12 pm
I think we should organise a union and move the Hotspot from mgs to Algonquin.
Tall buildings and cheaper fuel and cheaper businesses and cheaper houses will do good to everyone.
Plus an apartment in rotterdam tower is 40k so everyone can live in Algonquin and that too in the tallest building.

No no no, MGS wasn't picked randomly as a hangout location or a place to celebrate with people.

It is famous because it has a strategic location with a Hospital, Fire Department, Gas Station and a little playground all around it. It is like an industrial place where people have everything they need besides them.

Also, all of the criminal activities/locations focus on Dukes-Broker. And moving most of the population to another island would be just wrong.

Yes, Star Junction also has a strategic location. But I can't imagine people going to south/north of algonquin to go to Fireman/Medic duty when Dukes has the Hospitals and Firestations meters away...
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Surena on July 14, 2018, 12:23:05 pm
And moving most of the population to another island would be just wrong.

Why would moving most of the population to another island be "just" wrong? In my eyes, Algonquin and Alderney can be better in many ways.
I feel like Dukes and Broker is small and boring because everything is packed so closely around each other if not on top.

I am in for a change.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Kowalski. on July 14, 2018, 12:27:10 pm
It's up to the players, really.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 14, 2018, 12:28:57 pm
Plus an apartment in rotterdam tower is 40k
Excuse me? What?
Asked a div leader some weeks ago.

I think we should organise a union and move the Hotspot from mgs to Algonquin.
Tall buildings and cheaper fuel and cheaper businesses and cheaper houses will do good to everyone.
Plus an apartment in rotterdam tower is 40k so everyone can live in Algonquin and that too in the tallest building.

No no no, MGS wasn't picked randomly as a hangout location or a place to celebrate with people.

It is famous because it has a strategic location with a Hospital, Fire Department, Gas Station and a little playground all around it. It is like an industrial place where people have everything they need besides them.

Also, all of the criminal activities/locations focus on Dukes-Broker. And moving most of the population to another island would be just wrong.

Yes, Star Junction also has a strategic location. But I can't imagine people going to south/north of algonquin to go to Fireman/Medic duty when Dukes has the Hospitals and Firestations meters away...

It won't be very hard. Algonquin has a fire station near the fish warehouse and a hospital just on the road next to it. Left of Algonquin.
You just have to go a little east west.
Algonquin has the biggest playground in ivmp at the park and the buildings there are good.
Plus huge towers that offer apartments. If we move to Algonquin, it won't be too long till a lot of apartments are made there.
The fuel is cheaper and so will be the food and stuff.
Also ya got night clubs for parties just outside your house. Ya got grotti to customize your cars. Ya got good cloth shops. Ya got like the police hq. Fbi hq. Noose hq.
Ya got more missions there. Ya got more ambulances and firetrucks.
Ya got a helicopter in close proximity. Ya got fishing in close proximity. Ya got weed spots in close proximity.

I know it would be difficult to move but if everyone decides to then it won't be difficult. You have to start with yourself.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Mihail Junkovich on July 14, 2018, 12:47:10 pm
It isn't that lol..

It is as once told by one of the Argonath leaders [Legolas, I think?], players have a tendency to stick with the area to which they were first introduced in the single-player storyline
To swap that for an area in Algonquin or Alderney.. you would need a lot of personal effort to make it work, something that I doubt you will provide us with

Anyways, I would suggest you to redirect attention from the economy [In the "How can I get rich-rich faster?" way] to the actual interactions on the server ["What can I do with the things I have"]


Scripts should be there to offer more opportunities for roleplay not to spin you around the question "who has higher net worth?" lel


I would rather discuss reworking the skins system to something more affordable [actually, to make them completely free], dropping food/fuel/fix vehicle prices or introducing some sort of multiplier for the owners of businesses. Working on animation callouts, joining animations and jobs, trying to add new jobs to all of that. Trying to find more use for the GUI`s.. you can see what they can offer, just think of more ways to use them

The definition of being rich in a game like this should be that you can, for example, keep 5 Infernuses in your garage just because you can.. and not that you are rich because everyone else is struggling to buy a single supercar and then keep it stored inside of 30k apartment.. avoiding to use it completely, because fuck.. who is going to pay for fuel/repair costs haha
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Surena on July 14, 2018, 01:02:20 pm
players have a tendency to stick with the area to which they were first introduced in the single-player storyline

Error, in EFLC you are spawned (and first introduced) in Algonquin (TBoGT) and Alderney (TLAD).

Maybe we can change the spawn point of this server for newcomers and slowly encourage each other to move to the other islands (increments in taxes and location costs could also aid this).
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 14, 2018, 01:12:26 pm
Paprikas rest of the idea is good about jobs and all. But we should also try to fill the rest of the map.
Algonquin should be focused on due to it being the best area in game.
Yeah we have to work on it and we could organize a lot of events in Algonquin which will promote people to it.

Let's form a liberty city workers association.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Commander_Cj on July 14, 2018, 03:31:04 pm
And moving most of the population to another island would be just wrong.

Why would moving most of the population to another island be "just" wrong? In my eyes, Algonquin and Alderney can be better in many ways.

The answer is in the quote;
Also, all of the criminal activities/locations focus on Dukes-Broker.

Which means the Developer(s) need to move the current NPCs/pots whatever to Algonquin. They can't keep them there because there is no enough people to patrol the both of the cities.

Yes, at some points Alderney and Algonquin are better. But at other points they are worse than Dukes-Broker.



players have a tendency to stick with the area to which they were first introduced in the single-player storyline

Error, in EFLC you are spawned (and first introduced) in Algonquin (TBoGT) and Alderney (TLAD).

Maybe we can change the spawn point of this server for newcomers and slowly encourage each other to move to the other islands (increments in taxes and location costs could also aid this).

Mihail meant the original IV. Where Niko is first introduced at the Ship near the Cargos station then to his house at Broker. Most of the T4 players are originally from T3 (Original IV).
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Surena on July 14, 2018, 03:43:31 pm
And moving most of the population to another island would be just wrong.

Why would moving most of the population to another island be "just" wrong? In my eyes, Algonquin and Alderney can be better in many ways.

The answer is in the quote;
Also, all of the criminal activities/locations focus on Dukes-Broker.

Which means the Developer(s) need to move the current NPCs/pots whatever to Algonquin. They can't keep them there because there is no enough people to patrol the both of the cities.
Yes, at some points Alderney and Algonquin are better. But at other points they are worse than Dukes-Broker.

They don't need to move it at all, however, they can add more if desired. Criminals do not need to be in the middle of the mainstream, they can adapt to their surroundings and remain undercover.

Second, cops shouldn't have weed as a priority only there are more scenarios possible than just weed. Try to make a change in your normal procedure with small steps and see how it goes, maybe if it goes well then you can tell Twenty and get LCPD to a change with more professionalism rather than trying to only improve weed detection with helicopters and other mambo jambo.

If we encourage people to get to other islands because otherwise, they will stay alone at Dukes/Broker then they will come here and maybe even get new ideas about roleplay because of fresh island new things to discover.

Most newcomers go past Algonquin and Alderney just for missions and never gave a damn about other possibly interesting areas because why would they?
Being alone in somewhere that doesn't have many things to offer except maybe a single biz or house here and there with none around, yeah fun...

So, what makes Algonquin and Alderney worse in some points compared to Dukes/Broker?
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 14, 2018, 04:48:54 pm
Look. If you want to prioritize broker, lets just delete all the missions in alderney and algonquin and delete all properties and build big walls at the bridges and make jumping in water instant death. :cowboy:

Algonquin and Alderney are much better places than Broker. MUCH Better. Moving to them will be much better for the future considering the current problems.

And if we want to tackle the business problem, this is the only way which will not upset current business owners.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Mac Taylor on July 14, 2018, 05:51:56 pm

Why would moving most of the population to another island be "just" wrong? In my eyes, Algonquin and Alderney can be better in many ways.
I feel like Dukes and Broker is small and boring because everything is packed so closely around each other if not on top.

I am in for a change.

Agree


Second, cops shouldn't have weed as a priority only there are more scenarios possible than just weed. Try to make a change in your normal procedure with small steps and see how it goes, maybe if it goes well then you can tell Twenty and get LCPD to a change with more professionalism rather than trying to only improve weed detection with helicopters and other mambo jambo.


Well, I guess you meant "criminals" shouldn`t have weed as priority, Nowdays  Criminals cares about Weed or money, actaully most of players in the server in general cares about money, Criminals can do alot of things other then only harvesting or growing weed, and rarely when we find a big situation like kidnapping or robbery. Tho Criminals can do alot of things more then kidnapping, robberies,weeds..etc There are alot of stuffs as a criminal can do but if they just cared about Rp more and thinks more about some new scenarios to rp.
Cops can`t do anything, they Rp when they find someone Rping a crime or doing a crime. And due to no rps situations nowdays and only weeders, as a cop we patrol to weed spots more often then any other locations why ? because most of players are either at weed spots or at MGS doing nothing.

the problem was that most of veterans joins the game and park at MGS, newcomers come and find them parking there so they either ram them or park there too doing nothing. Why do you join a "Rp Server" while you are going to park at MGS doing nothing ? You joined RP server then you are supposed to go RP or to have fun with friends, not parking at MGS for nothing.

And moving to Algo/Alderny is a good idea.

And about Limits for business, you can gain money by Rping you can do business with RP not just buying a store and waiting to check /bizmoney. there are alot of ways to gain money, and why you dont buy a biz at algo or alderny ? You can buy there and with some Rps and some interesting ads you will get players there.



If we encourage people to get to other islands because otherwise, they will stay alone at Dukes/Broker then they will come here and maybe even get new ideas about roleplay because of fresh island new things to discover.

Why not
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Surena on July 14, 2018, 06:11:43 pm
Well, I guess you meant "criminals" shouldn`t have weed as priority, Nowdays  Criminals cares about Weed or money, actaully most of players in the server in general cares about money, Criminals can do alot of things other then only harvesting or growing weed, and rarely when we find a big situation like kidnapping or robbery. Tho Criminals can do alot of things more then kidnapping, robberies,weeds..etc There are alot of stuffs as a criminal can do but if they just cared about Rp more and thinks more about some new scenarios to rp.

Well I am not into weed, really.

Cops can`t do anything, they Rp when they find someone Rping a crime or doing a crime. And due to no rps situations nowdays and only weeders, as a cop we patrol to weed spots more often then any other locations why ? because most of players are either at weed spots or at MGS doing nothing.

I agree on this one but the problem is that people are just lazy to roleplay, I even had the same issue with a (now not anymore) family member which was too lazy to do a roleplay.
We need to have a way to encourage them or make them play more tightly (not forcing tho) to let them reconsider roleplaying.

And about Limits for business, you can gain money by Rping you can do business with RP not just buying a store and waiting to check /bizmoney. there are alot of ways to gain money, and why you dont buy a biz at algo or alderny ? You can buy there and with some Rps and some interesting ads you will get players there.

/gps Acter Nuclear Plant is ready at your side for medical research (by rp), power production (by rp or possibly future script?), weapons-grade metal production under heavy enrichment (by rp) and food production (by rp or by script).  ;)
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: JackDockz on July 14, 2018, 09:02:02 pm
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And about Limits for business, you can gain money by Rping you can do business with RP not just buying a store and waiting to check /bizmoney

This is agreed to. All the banks, and roleplayable businesses, even Weazel have income. Not much but still it's always fun to roleplay.
Medic and Fireman missions are roleplayable if ya want to.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: yusufennab201 on July 18, 2018, 09:55:58 pm
unsupported
if there is limit to bizs then what is the point of doing missions?
everyone (nearly) doing missions to make sure that his bizs working and restocking them
and many people will get bored easily
if you looking for biz for sale buddy go see the biz section or ask some people in-game and you may get lucky
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Kowalski. on July 19, 2018, 03:48:10 am
I don't think you read the post.

The limit is so that everyone gets a fair go, and come on, 3 businesses is plenty, why doesn't everyone deserve a chance to obtain a business? Then, you have to take into account the demand, the population of the area where you're buying your biz.

Example: There'd be no point investing money into a business completely isolated from the main demand area, when nobody will come, then what's the point?

Again, supported.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Kolta on July 19, 2018, 01:41:38 pm
unsupported
if there is limit to bizs then what is the point of doing missions?
everyone (nearly) doing missions to make sure that his bizs working and restocking them
and many people will get bored easily
if you looking for biz for sale buddy go see the biz section or ask some people in-game and you may get lucky
Missions are not made to make you buy a restaurant, business make you earn money as well so you dont need to do missions to restock your business. You already gain money from it.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 19, 2018, 02:45:34 pm
if you looking for biz for sale buddy go see the biz section or ask some people in-game and you may get lucky
First of all please go to biz section and see the buyout's. You didnt read all comments. Why would someone give you a business on the first island maybe on high buyout or its not demanded area aka less profit. There is no "for sale" on demanded area, mostly the ones are selling on 2nd island and 3rd island and on high payout  because of very less income. If there is restriction on biz (lower than/=3) people who own a lot of business may give to a holder but the holder cant hold many ones. This can bring a chance for people to own the ones some on demanded area and many biz on all 3 islands.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: badboy.dhia on July 19, 2018, 02:49:49 pm
First of all please go to biz section and see the buyout's. U didnt read all comments. Whh would someone give you a business on the first island maybe on high buyout or its not demanded area aka less profit. There is no "for sale" on demanded area, mostly the ones are selling on 2nd island and 3rd island and on high payout  because of very less income. If there is restriction on biz (lower than/=3) people who own a lot of business may give to a holder but the holder cant hold many ones. This can bring a chance for people to own the ones some on demanded area and like ds clothshop and gas station on all 3 islands
melan ? i sold to u and to beshoo and carlos around 4 or 5 business at Hove beach with (10k to 15k ) buyout ! still remember or shall i post SS ?
and in this current time i know 5 business for SALE  at the first island ! (not bohan too )
just learn how to Search
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 19, 2018, 02:56:33 pm
First of all please go to biz section and see the buyout's. U didnt read all comments. Whh would someone give you a business on the first island maybe on high buyout or its not demanded area aka less profit. There is no "for sale" on demanded area, mostly the ones are selling on 2nd island and 3rd island and on high payout  because of very less income. If there is restriction on biz (lower than/=3) people who own a lot of business may give to a holder but the holder cant hold many ones. This can bring a chance for people to own the ones some on demanded area and like ds clothshop and gas station on all 3 islands
melan ? i sold to u and to beshoo and carlos around 4 or 5 business at Hove beach with (10k to 15k ) buyout ! still remember or shall i post SS ?
and in this current time i know 5 business for SALE  at the first island ! (not bohan too )
just learn how to Search
You know how much we earn? No customers and only automatic thing is only helping us earn something less. Even I know where the ones are but it is less demanded area otherwise u or other rich people would have already bought it. I still remember i kept an eye on guns or food factory i think, the next moment u came and bought it. This is the problem the people dont have fair choice. I support both ideas.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Commander_Cj on July 19, 2018, 10:51:33 pm
To add, correct or remind. this isn't a topic to show off your muscles or advertise your services nor Hovebeach is a high demanded area.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: Armelin on July 20, 2018, 01:05:04 am
Adding a limit on how many business doesn't mean they will give up the ones at prime locations.

Now some fun facts:
Restaurants in the Broker area sold 2.012 times more than the restaurants in Algonquin. However the business in Algonquin have a net income 5 times higher than Broker, in other words most business on "prime locations" lose money 24/7.

"For the Grove dude, we're gonna put some work in." - Carl Johnson
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: melan on July 20, 2018, 12:56:32 pm
Now some fun facts:
Restaurants in the Broker area sold 2.012 times more than the restaurants in Algonquin. However the business in Algonquin have a net income 5 times higher than Broker, in other words most business on "prime locations" lose money 24/7.

"For the Grove dude, we're gonna put some work in." - Carl Johnson
What about other types of business? Restaurant is least earned or factories. Atleast who own more than 5 or 10 biz will be releasing some of it for the people. Otherwise we need to hop into Algo.
Title: Re: [IVMP] Owning Business limit
Post by: about10pandas on July 20, 2018, 01:40:07 pm
"For the Grove dude, we're gonna put some work in." - Carl Johnson
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