Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP General => Topic started by: Surena on March 09, 2019, 11:29:28 am
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Hey community,
As you all might have noticed the IVMP server has been quite "dead" since a few weeks, maybe even longer.
Lately I have been wondering where all the players are and what has happened to the server that has made it die.
Not to mention I - and maybe others - have a feeling that developer support and updates have ceased as well but I might be wrong.
First I was thinking the death was caused by GTA V rage:mp server, but even when its closed for maintenance IVMP remains dead.
The decision to post in IVMP General rather than IVMP Support is because of the fact that IVMP is, well... "dead" in general.
Feel free to leave your opinion or message down below so we can discuss about this subject and maybe get to a solution which is good for all.
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The conversation that we had made with some veterans showed clearly where the issue is.
I could say the problem started from the lack of updates, but I thinked this twice, even back when I joined the server I wasn't impresed by the updates
or the features that has to offer to a new player but by the community itself. So I tried to search for an answer "what killed IV" deeper.
The final ressult's was atleast shocking for me who really fall in love with this community. If you ask me what made IV:MP a dead server my explanation would be
simple that the server is being killed from inside out...
What do I mean? well in simple words there have been made some big mistakes from HQ itself with the release of "RageMP V"
the problem isn't the release itself but the fact that they took every single adminstrator/manager/developer from us and put it to this new project!
To those who are responsible for the improvement of IV:MP I have only one question, why you letting this happen?
couldn't just be a different HQ for this project?
Was it neccesary to took from us the only developer we had to work on?
Was it neccesary to give adminstration rights (even for trial) to the same players who were responsible for IV:MP?
You made our adminstrations to focus hard on this release and they totaly forgot that the IV:MP still exist, you should let RageMP to develope their own HQ
where there would have nothing to do with us who want to stay in IV:MP
I still have hope in IV:MP and I'm not trying to insult our HQ with what I'm saying...
It's just some facts that took me time to realise in order to understand what made our server a dead one!
Sincerly jNewTonik.
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server died since i left smh im gonna come back and revive yall from the dead
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What you are saying is true to a extent but ivmp staff didnt recieve a public invite to be V staff, those who are helping v tests are doing it on there own discretion.
As for Armelin after all he has done for IV he is more then free to chose his projects, he has my eteral grattitude for all the support he made for IV.
What is killing IV is the lack of new players, the reach of T4 ads is limited, and the number of New players shows that.
The old players on other hand have made grudges on other People/admins/HQ and those who didnt just did all they could on IV and got bored moved on, or in my case work load made me drop my activity to a ridiculus low amount.
Tho i agree HQ could done some things to get people interested in the server again.
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The conversation that we had made with some veterans showed clearly where the issue is.
I could say the problem started from the lack of updates, but I thinked this twice, even back when I joined the server I wasn't impresed by the updates
or the features that has to offer to a new player but by the community itself. So I tried to search for an answer "what killed IV" deeper.
The final ressult's was atleast shocking for me who really fall in love with this community. If you ask me what made IV:MP a dead server my explanation would be
simple that the server is being killed from inside out...
What do I mean? well in simple words there have been made some big mistakes from HQ itself with the release of "RageMP V"
the problem isn't the release itself but the fact that they took every single adminstrator/manager/developer from us and put it to this new project!
To those who are responsible for the improvement of IV:MP I have only one question, why you letting this happen?
couldn't just be a different HQ for this project?
Was it neccesary to took from us the only developer we had to work on?
Was it neccesary to give adminstration rights (even for trial) to the same players who were responsible for IV:MP?
You made our adminstrations to focus hard on this release and they totaly forgot that the IV:MP still exist, you should let RageMP to develope their own HQ
where there would have nothing to do with us who want to stay in IV:MP
I still have hope in IV:MP and I'm not trying to insult our HQ with what I'm saying...
It's just some facts that took me time to realise in order to understand what made our server a dead one!
Sincerly jNewTonik.
Its easy to sit back, point fingers, and play the blame game on why the player count has been low lately and it is never a surprise when those fingers point at the HQ before anyone else.
Let me clarify a few things. Firstly the player count on IV has fluctuated up and down for a very long time. There have always been unpredictable waves of high, medium, and low activity which cannot be explained. When I say it cannot be explained I mean historically at the start of summer when exams are over the server population has always peaked, however this did not happen last year and the server was relatively slow all summer. It was not until after summer when school resumed that the server had its peak and was having 10+ players at rest and 25-30+ at its peak times. Why did this happen? We don't know.
Second V:MP. During the first public test I saw players coming on V, going on IV, coming, going, back and forth each day and multiple times during the day when public testing was active. This tells me there was interest in both servers, so I don't think we cant point the finger directly at V:MP.
Third V:MP staff. The current testing team (which is not all IV staff as you say but merely a small handful) is not hanging out on V all day, they are joining to test newly added features and scripts to verify they are ready for public use. As well as testing bugs and bug fixes. I have also monitored the V:MP staff and have observed activity both on V:MP and IV:MP in equal amounts.
Nobody "took" Armelin from IV, in fact the IV:MP fireman missions received an update in the middle of the V:MP testing phase. A V server was promised to the community months ago and the previous team was unable to finish what they started. The amount of progress which has been made since Armelin took over the V project is nothing short of amazing and we are still having regular discussions on IV:MP related matters and potential updates (and he works for free ;) ).
I would hypothesize that players are waiting for the public release of V:MP and may have lost some motivation to join IV:MP, this is understandable. We are always open to feedback and suggestions on how to increase the population of any Argonath servers, don't hesitate to give some ideas here or in the appropriate boards.
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Its easy to sit back, point fingers, and play the blame game on why the player count has been low lately and it is never a surprise when those fingers point at the HQ before anyone else.
Let me clarify a few things. Firstly the player count on IV has fluctuated up and down for a very long time. There have always been unpredictable waves of high, medium, and low activity which cannot be explained. When I say it cannot be explained I mean historically at the start of summer when exams are over the server population has always peaked, however this did not happen last year and the server was relatively slow all summer. It was not until after summer when school resumed that the server had its peak and was having 10+ players at rest and 25-30+ at its peak times. Why did this happen? We don't know.
Second V:MP. During the first public test I saw players coming on V, going on IV, coming, going, back and forth each day and multiple times during the day when public testing was active. This tells me there was interest in both servers, so I don't think we cant point the finger directly at V:MP.
Third V:MP staff. The current testing team (which is not all IV staff as you say but merely a small handful) is not hanging out on V all day, they are joining to test newly added features and scripts to verify they are ready for public use. As well as testing bugs and bug fixes. I have also monitored the V:MP staff and have observed activity both on V:MP and IV:MP in equal amounts.
Nobody "took" Armelin from IV, in fact the IV:MP fireman missions received an update in the middle of the V:MP testing phase. A V server was promised to the community months ago and the previous team was unable to finish what they started. The amount of progress which has been made since Armelin took over the V project is nothing short of amazing and we are still having regular discussions on IV:MP related matters and potential updates (and he works for free ;) ).
I would hypothesize that players are waiting for the public release of V:MP and may have lost some motivation to join IV:MP, this is understandable. We are always open to feedback and suggestions on how to increase the population of any Argonath servers, don't hesitate to give some ideas here or in the appropriate boards.
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even a single adminstrator or even worst the developer of IV:MP into RageMP it get's me confused (and you know that is not just one)
And there is still no answer about why this job has to be done by the same HQ of IV:MP shouldn't this team focus only to improve the quality of IV:MP itself?
by this way, you guys taking more weight into your shoulders, a weight that you will not be able to carry on in order to support both projects in a fair "equal amounts" as you said.
I trust those words "we are still having regular discussions on IV:MP related matters and potential updates" as this removes for me any reasson to complain about
but you must really consider about not having the same HQ handling 2 different project's cause this will end up with a mess!
Thank's for the response and please don't consider this as a blame, it's an honest opinion I may be wrong, but still my honest opinion
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I think Armelin deserves to choose what he wanna do. He has contributed a lot to ivmp over the years I have been here.
T4 is not that famous and mainly people shifted to Gta 5 like 4 years before it came out.
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When I announced the IV:MP Christmas I asked for the players to show their support if they wanted more. I don't think I have to say anything else.
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When I announced the IV:MP Christmas I asked for the players to show their support if they wanted more. I don't think I have to say anything else.
We really appreciate your work especially the GUI and job system, but let's be real, we don't need to spam you with ideas when there is a suggestion and ideas topic which has been bombarded with lots of ideas already.
Besides that, I had shown a suggestion to you personally on Discord but it was completely ignored, not only in discord itself but the idea was never implemented in-game neither.
This is why I - and maybe others - are complaining about developer support. Take the fireman missions as example, we already had a working system so adding new missions was not really mandatory over other more "priority" ideas, aka ideas and suggestions made with many support from other players for it to be implemented.
EDIT: I am sure many others agree with me on this one, as we had talked with veterans lately about this. If I was the only person with this in mind I perhaps wouldn't have made this topic, but what I heard from others seems that a topic was neccesary to atleast clarify what who why where and how.
Don't look at this topic and the replies it gets as complaining even if it may seem like it in certain angles, we are not to shit on the server and it's community associated with it.
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When I announced the IV:MP Christmas I asked for the players to show their support if they wanted more. I don't think I have to say anything else.
of curse we are waiting for more !!
and no one can deny the huge effort that u made on IVMP for free . <3
the problem with IVMP isnt the updates / features.
the problem is after osamad left . ivmp doesn't have advertisment team ! (if we have , then they are fucking sleeping whole day and we should point fingers on them)
on t3 atleast 10 to 20 new players used to /register per day !
now only 1 wala 2 max per week ..
thats the real problem!
what ivmp needs is simple
a small update on anims (basics anims should be scripted like /handsup , /poledance /sit , are scripted!) cuz its boring to open a file and copy the anim and back to the game to type it -.-
and a serious advertisment team (they post atleast 1 video on youtube per week)
When I announced the IV:MP Christmas I asked for the players to show their support if they wanted more. I don't think I have to say anything else.
We really appreciate your work especially the GUI and job system, but let's be real, we don't need to spam you with ideas when there is a suggestion and ideas topic which has been bombarded with lots of ideas already.
Besides that, I had shown a suggestion to you personally on Discord but it was completely ignored, not only in discord itself but the idea was never implemented in-game neither.
This is why I - and maybe others - are complaining about developer support. Take the fireman missions as example, we already had a working system so adding new missions was not really mandatory over other more "priority" ideas, aka ideas and suggestions made with many support from other players for it to be implemented.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=120329.0
indeed ! same goes for this IDEA suggested 2 years ago and supported by all the players
+ MikuV4X already posted the script done
why isnt implemented yet ? no idea
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the problem is after osamad left . ivmp doesn't have advertisment team ! (if we have , then they are fucking sleeping whole day and we should point fingers on them)
on t3 atleast 10 to 20 new players used to /register per day !
now only 1 wala 2 max per week ..
thats the real problem!
Meh, T3 was well-known that's why we had fresh flow of new players weekly, T4 is still relatively new and unknown.
Advertising is possible and usually the first thing said by many but take this into consideration; The server is near empty on daily basis, new players that join the server see nobody around and they don't know what to do or find it boring alone thus they will leave and never get to know or be bonded to this community.
This topic wasn't created to only ask what is going on behind the screens at server/HQ side but also to the players themselves. I know some got exams, school or job to take care of, but for all almost 20k total IVMP players to be vanished even if GTA V: RageMP is down for maintenance? Saying that this is weird would be an understatement.
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Lets say, the staff members does all the suggestions that we have in our topic...what else? Do we gonna use them? Do we gonna ask for more?
We are not using the current scripts in 100% and as humans we will never be happy with what we have and always we gonna ask for something more.
We do have new players coming in but they are going away cuz they see few players online and 90% of them are afk or just sitting in their cars in MGS.
So lets fix our self and our actions before blame someone else for our mistakes.
In my last rp scene I saw a cop coming with his cruiser inside the pool area of the house and start dancing like
a hooker by /poledance...So why we are asking for new stuff when we are not able to do the simple one?
For me is better to have good players than good scripts...
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I don't know about others but I started the topic intentionally with this line at almost top for a reason;
Lately I have been wondering where all the players are and what has happened to the server that has made it die.
My focus is not much on the scripts in my view, that said I do agree with you RM.
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T3 was popular and brought alot of players, the community was still united and it was more fun to play. T4 was a project that started with poor advertising imho, but it was already being abandoned by us because people here really find it hard to have fun in roleplay if they're not winning, except buying cars and skins or doing boring medic/fireman missions nobody had really interest in roleplaying something different. Trucking is frustrating, Fishing is okay but not that attractive imo.
Grinding all day for money made this whole situation even worse. For years people focused on how much money they made instead of interacting each other. When i first joined IVMP, Honigsenf was the only guy roleplaying 24/7 and making roleplay events (Like treasure hunt).
T3 most of the time was filled with DD events that kept people in the game for long time, that's it. That's all that was being done until T4 release.
Personally i tried to keep my group interested in T4 but jeez, noone is really capable of even doing the simplest interaction nor willing to learn something by people who have been on the server for years. Why should we bother? All you guys want is players, DD events, random cop vs criminal chases and fireman grinding. That's all that was being done in T3.
In my last rp scene I saw a cop coming with his cruiser inside the pool area of the house and start dancing like
a hooker by /poledance...So why we are asking for new stuff when we are not able to do the simple one?
For me is better to have good players than good scripts...
That cop is me. I enjoy doing cringy stuff nowdays. That has nothing to do with the quality of my person, so kindly, save your words for the people who are not willing to roleplay at all.
For years we, "veterans", tried to bring some roleplay and we have always had to lower ourself to listen to poor insults and instant /report to the admins because the roleplay was not going the way those people wanted.
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Well, if you want to roleplay nowdays the server is just too empty. A roleplay is really fun if many participate, not a 1v1 cop vs criminal roleplay, which usually most of the time indeed ends up in fighting like you elaborated above.
I would love to roleplay but with the current playerbase it is just too boring, we need more players.
That cop is me. I enjoy doing cringy stuff nowdays.
:lol: :lol:
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Well, if you want to roleplay nowdays the server is just too empty. A roleplay is really fun if many participate, not a 1v1 cop vs criminal roleplay, which usually most of the time indeed ends up in fighting like you elaborated above.
I would love to roleplay but with the current playerbase it is just too boring, we need more players.
That cop is me. I enjoy doing cringy stuff nowdays.
:lol: :lol:
*confused you with Serifis, lmao. sorry* (edited)
I'm always down to have roleplay but if people can't accept the fact that they can't win all the time or that there is more than just cop vs criminal situations, nothing will change, until that day, ripperoni.
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Excuses for nothing...
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I'm always down to have roleplay but if people can't accept the fact that they can't win all the time or that there is more than just cop vs criminal situations, nothing will change, until that day, ripperoni.
Mind to knock the shit off about people not willing to accept themselves losing in a roleplay? I am questioning about where the player have gone.
Yes, sometimes players don't like to roleplay but that's not 24/7 or forever, in fact, I have been willing to participate in a big roleplay for a long time but the server is just not up to the task with the current player base.
If the issue really is the roleplaying part on the server then can you please tell me a solution for this issue that does not mention anything about cop vs criminal situations?
It seems for you only cops and criminals matter and the rest of the server may as well just be gone for good.
Don't get me wrong, this is not personally firing at you, but you don't seem to participate in the goal of this topic but only keep adding fuel.
This topic is meant to establish a view on who what where why how and then talk together towards a solution. This topic is NOT made to keep blaming eachother like crybabies. We got enough reasons for the server to be dead, now let's roll the solutions and create an open debate for a possible solution that shall bring win/win scenarios for all. The more input we can get, the better the outcome may be.
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Mind to knock the shit off about people not willing to accept themselves losing in a roleplay? I am questioning about where the player have gone.
Yes, sometimes players don't like to roleplay but that's not 24/7 or forever, in fact, I have been willing to participate in a big roleplay for a long time but the server is just not up to the task with the current player base.
If the issue really is the roleplaying part on the server then can you please tell me a solution for this issue that does not mention anything about cop vs criminal situations?
Don't get me wrong, this is not personally firing at you, but you don't seem to participate in the goal of this topic but only keep adding fuel.
This topic is meant to establish a view on who what where why how and then talk together towards a solution. This topic is NOT made to keep blaming eachother like crybabies. We got enough reasons for the server to be dead, now let's roll the solutions and create an open debate for a possible solution that shall bring win/win scenarios for all. The more input we can get, the better the outcome may be.
I only gave you my thoughts on why the server is really dead. There are people who would not roleplay at all when you approach them, it doesn't matter if it's a cop vs criminal situation. With The Lost MC we used to get tagged by some family who then would stop roleplaying with us as soon we'd start to interact back. Some other groups actually roleplayed but they're gone now, so yeah, all there is left is people who want to grind money IMHO.
A solution would be an economy reset, :lol:.
I'd focus on sponsoring roleplay events so that people can win cash while trying to learn something new. Treasure events, why not? Honig used to do those, they were fun. You had a few clues and you'd have to dig out more info by reaching some points on the map which were REAL people actually interacting with the treasure hunter. I don't know if someone ever took videos of that but there are alot screenshots of that type of roleplay event in the IVMP Screenshots topic.
People need to stop complaining whenever you approach them and try to do something they don't like. Whining for silly reasons ruins scenarios, if Player A approaches Player B and tries to steal Player B wallet, Player A will probably pull a m4/shotgun out of his ass just because he is a criminal. There is no "civilian" roleplay, it never really existed except for a few cases, so there aren't examples of that i can give to you. Most of the situations are criminals vs criminals, cops vs criminals and that's it.
Everyone is tired of that but if you try to do more chilly stuff you're not considered at all, Taxi drivers used to be a thing in the past, Janek the Priest used to pop in the server from time to time and do silly roleplay, that was fun.
Honig used to attract alot of people at his hotdog stand, they all would chill until eventually some random newcomer would carkill all of us but that's another story.
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I'm always down to have roleplay.
There is no "civilian" roleplay, it never really existed, so there aren't examples of that i can give to you. Most of the situations are criminals vs criminals, cops vs criminals and that's it.
Feel free to join right now, there is a construction roleplay on-going at MGS. This is also a sentence that proves you wrong. ;)
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I'm always down to have roleplay.
There is no "civilian" roleplay, it never really existed, so there aren't examples of that i can give to you. Most of the situations are criminals vs criminals, cops vs criminals and that's it.
Feel free to join right now, there is a construction roleplay on-going at MGS. This is also a sentence that proves you wrong. ;)
Surena, you are doing a roleplay that i used to do 5-6 years ago with Loon, Honigsenf and DeeJay. I've done ton of stuff like that, it ends up pretty quick. I'm not your enemy here, i'm giving you the reasons why I THINK (shall i bold it? It's just my opinion, it doesn't have to be others opinion) the server is dead. I usually have dinner at this time but i'll pop in later if you wish it so much.
I've done ton of stuff in IV:MP before i called myself out, and there are precise reasons why i have done that. You can't help it. If you don't want to accept the fact that majority of the playerbase didn't give a crap about that kind of roleplay now (and also back when i used to do it with my friends) i do not see how else i can convince you.
Ask to those who played in 2013/2014/2015 how it was to roleplay with people like Honigsenf, Kerbe, hAWK, Batta, John_Doe. I could name you ten more that were exceptional
Edit: APT group was the top we ever reached on non criminal roleplay IMHO. Nobody has done better after them.
You guys are doing a great thing in making topics like this but half of the players already left a long time ago.
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It was just an example which was surprisingly going on right now, with Bert aka Loon involved, showing there was a civilian roleplay on-going, not only criminal/cops roleplay.
Also the wedding roleplay was a different kind than cops/criminal roleplay, it was sweet and fun not to mention also relatively special.
I know half of the veterans are gone or banned, but look ahead, look at the other half plus the regulars and newcomers. We are still here so if we want it then we can strive to it.
We should not be dependent on the lost veterans but we should put input ourselves to see results.
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Mark you can`t give examples of good activity when we had or we gonna have events...its light roleplay not light event play.
It may brings people but is not the point of the game that we are playing.
As for the avoid to be robbed or killed or something that will make you "lose" again its about the theme of the server...light roleplay.
Always tho you can find ways to not lose or win and still gonna be happy with the result.
I've done ton of stuff in IV:MP before i called myself out,
Emm why we are talking with you then?
Com on stay with your memories and let us dream our future.
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Mark you can`t give examples of good activity when we had or we gonna have events...its light roleplay not light event play.
It may brings people but is not the point of the game that we are playing.
As for the avoid to be robbed or killed or something that will make you "lose" again its about the theme of the server...light roleplay.
Always tho you can find ways to not lose or win and still gonna be happy with the result.
I've done ton of stuff in IV:MP before i called myself out,
Emm why we are talking with you then?
Com on stay with your memories and let us dream our future.
Because i'm here from 2013 and i know more than you about having respect.
You've not been kind in the past to anyone who has roleplayed with you so why don't you start reading more? This is not about light roleplay. This is about the community.
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Well, there are many reasons, partly the mismanagement, partly the friendliness or lackthereof of the community itself towards newbies, third might be the fact it uses an unique client, as well as lack of reach of ads , as mentioned before, but in general, one should not expect that people will keep coming to a game, which is 11 years old already. People interested in GTA IV is getting lower by the day, it's becoming an ancient game. The people who were playing back in the day, grew up and are no longer interested in spending 14 hours a day playing videogames, especially when we have to study, or work to pay the bills, creating families, playing silly games is least of the concern. While the new generation of gamers, you shouldnt expect them to play ancient old games, while the choice of new ones is as big as it used to be. Many of us were not interested in 1995 games when we were discovering GTA 4 , did we. What comes up must go down. You cannot expect it to last a hundred years. It lasted long enough as it did already.
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Technically Ramis is right. GTA4 is small and has less features than Gta 5. There's no doubt in that.
People with better pcs hence will prefer Gta 5 over Gta 4. I think that's why it sold like some million copies.
And people with lower pcs play Samp or vcmp since it gives better fps and a wider community with many types of servers.
I'm not supposed to give my own opinion BUT ivmp was great till t3. T4 did make is better but at the cost of its activity. Which slowly affected it beyond repair
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If the reason for lack of players is GTA IV being ancient then how come SAMP has much more players active even till this day?
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Because i'm here from 2013 and i know more than you about having respect.
You've not been kind in the past to anyone who has roleplayed with you so why don't you start reading more? This is not about light roleplay. This is about the community.
You are out-date player. You are saying with proud that "Im old player from 2013" and few minutes ago you said "I like to trolling these days" and after that you blame a newbie (me) for not accepting your stupid actions while coming to my scenes and forcing your silly thoughts which had nothing to do with the current scene. Do we need to continue this fight and make you seem more fail that you are already?
As well community its "in game", not only the forum that you may think.
Well, there are many reasons, partly the mismanagement, partly the friendliness or lackthereof of the community itself towards newbies, third might be the fact it uses an unique client, as well as lack of reach of ads , as mentioned before, but in general, one should not expect that people will keep coming to a game, which is 11 years old already. People interested in GTA IV is getting lower by the day, it's becoming an ancient game. The people who were playing back in the day, grew up and are no longer interested in spending 14 hours a day playing videogames, especially when we have to study, or work to pay the bills, creating families, playing silly games is least of the concern. While the new generation of gamers, you shouldnt expect them to play ancient old games, while the choice of new ones is as big as it used to be. Many of us were not interested in 1995 games when we were discovering GTA 4 , did we. What comes up must go down. You cannot expect it to last a hundred years. It lasted long enough as it did already.
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It was just an example which was surprisingly going on right now, with Bert aka Loon involved, showing there was a civilian roleplay on-going, not only criminal/cops roleplay.
Also the wedding roleplay was a different kind than cops/criminal roleplay, it was sweet and fun not to mention also relatively special.
I know half of the veterans are gone or banned, but look ahead, look at the other half plus the regulars and newcomers. We are still here so if we want it then we can strive to it.
We should not be dependent on the lost veterans but we should put input ourselves to see results.
The gone veterans tried to teach how to deal with roleplay situations to the newcomers for years. Some learnt, some ignored and kept going on their way. Nowdays you got more people that ignored those tips than the ones who actually learned something. That's why, personally, i think it's a dead end, they can't attract old players back and new ones won't stick long as we did.
What Ramis said is also true, it's a fact that has been proven, the "no exams" period is just a period that also SAMP tried to use an excuse to why playerbase dropped. That's it for me, i've already put alot of effort in the past to even care anymore about playerbase issues, i'll come in a bit and have fun with you :)
Because i'm here from 2013 and i know more than you about having respect.
You've not been kind in the past to anyone who has roleplayed with you so why don't you start reading more? This is not about light roleplay. This is about the community.
You are out-date player. You are saying with proud that "Im old player from 2013" and few minutes ago you said "I like to trolling these days" and after that you blame a newbie (me) for not accepting your stupid actions while coming to my scenes and forcing your silly thoughts which had nothing to do with the current scene. Do we need to continue this fight and make you seem more fail that you are already?
As well community its "in game", not only the forum that you may think.
Well, there are many reasons, partly the mismanagement, partly the friendliness or lackthereof of the community itself towards newbies, third might be the fact it uses an unique client, as well as lack of reach of ads , as mentioned before, but in general, one should not expect that people will keep coming to a game, which is 11 years old already. People interested in GTA IV is getting lower by the day, it's becoming an ancient game. The people who were playing back in the day, grew up and are no longer interested in spending 14 hours a day playing videogames, especially when we have to study, or work to pay the bills, creating families, playing silly games is least of the concern. While the new generation of gamers, you shouldnt expect them to play ancient old games, while the choice of new ones is as big as it used to be. Many of us were not interested in 1995 games when we were discovering GTA 4 , did we. What comes up must go down. You cannot expect it to last a hundred years. It lasted long enough as it did already.
I said i'm playing from 2013 and i have learned what respect is. You're not a newbie nor a proper troller. Go shitpost on 4chan :lol:
I have all the rights to express my opinion but if you try to insult my intelligence you're going so bad in the wrong way, boy. This is what i was talking about, you are salty for a stupid /poledance i did to your party. It's 2019, you're playing a character in the game and get offended like if i have insulted your whole family IRL. Damn bro, that must've hit bad to be so pissed for a silly reason.
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If the reason for lack of players is GTA IV being ancient then how come SAMP has much more players active even till this day?
If you are not aware SAMP overall activity is falling down, Argo samp is alive thanks to the dedicated veterans who play only samp.
They are in the same boat as IVMP, with a better reach to players who wanna try samp servers, then the T4 who isnt that famous and well known.
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If you are not aware SAMP overall activity is falling down, Argo samp is alive thanks to the dedicated veterans who play only samp.
They are in the same boat as IVMP, with a better reach to players who wanna try samp servers, then the T4 who isnt that famous and well known.
SAMP currently has 29 players online, that's near what used to be our limit at T3, it has raised back up from its death because of the solutions the topics that the community had made brought with them.
As for Serifis and Mark, cool down mates. This ain't the right time or place for this.
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SAMP currently has 28 players online, that's near what used to be our limit at T3, it has raised back up from its death because of the solutions the topics that the community had made brought with them.
As for Serifis and Mark, cool down mates. This ain't the right time or place for this.
samp had zero players until Teddy came back. They're slowly trying to raise up again, but they were in this situation for two years, with small ups and HUGE downs...like literally dead.
I give all the respect possible to people who talk to me with respect Surena, i didn't come here to troll, what i do with my character in a game does not reflect my persona, something that RememberMe can't understand. I just made it clear.
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Since we are not on the same page, SAMP is more open to new players as you just need to google it and you will find both the servers and the client, its well known.
SAMP neto player base is huge. http://mauzen.org/samp/
T4 has no such reach, its not well known, its not out for years, what could bring the life into server is trying to reach more people with information's about T4
The 20k number of T4 players is a lie, its just 20k names, not unique players.
We need more people getting interested in the game and more reasons why they should be interested.
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The T4 Update should have been released for GTA IV and then for GTA EFLC.
Only a few people know about EFLC and in that, they don't even know if the multiplayer mod exists for this game :|
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The T4 Update should have been released for GTA IV and then for GTA EFLC.
Only a few people know about EFLC and in that, they don't even know if the multiplayer mod exists for this game :|
The T3 server was still up - don't know if its still up right now but it used to be - with a message to download T4 and such for people whom joined the old server.
They're slowly trying to raise up again
Why did the server fail in the first place and what did Teddy do which made all veterans and other players willing to come back? Maybe we or the server division leaders could do the same.
This may be interesting, atleast it got me interested.
We need more people getting interested in the game and more reasons why they should be interested.
Exactly, I feel like we are getting on the right track now.
Do you, or others, have any idea how we could make the idea a little bit more interesting so veterans or newcomers stick to the game better without being bored?
EDIT: Maybe a script update that would pull interest of everyone to go explore and maybe interact with eachother and willing to do this another time as well, extending the peak to more days?
Or perhaps planned events hosted by decent roleplayers that are able to roleplay and teach at the same time reasonably or something similar to the old roleplaying collaboration Harzy had made back in the day?
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Hello there,
First of all let's keep this topic friendly and let's not go off topic or shit/blame on each other or on HQ/Server
I'd like board moderators @Twenty And @Bert to keep watching the topic if it goes off topic more or turns into shit argument to lock it immediately please we don't want to turn this into shit argument.
The main goal of this topic is to point out solutions for the current problem which is "Server is dead with low amount of players"
What is the solution? That's what Kerrar want and I am sure that's what we all want.
So cut the arguments and say list of your own suggested solutions instead.
In my opinion,
As players we need to
- Cut hates/shit arguments with others IG or forums.
- Start by ourselves and stop using excuses such as
"Server got 2 players when it gets 10+ at least I will join it, let's play other games"
If we start by ourselves and stop saying this excuse especially, we will get playerbase back as it used to be.
Yes, most of Iv players have free time to join the game. Personally I've been stalking most of y'all through discord xD :lol:
[size=78%]I've seen many playing other games and leaving the server with 2-3 players and I am very sure if those players who were playing other games because there is only 2-3 players IG joins for real the server would get more than 30 players. [/size]
[size=78%]Stop using this excuse and start joining the server, you join, he joins, we join, all join, server gets full. Simple.[/size]
"Server is boring nowadays, nothing to do in it"
Not boring at all, you are the one who is trying to make the server boring for yourself and for others by saying that.
If you join and start inventing rps or doing same old rps it will not be boring at all.
"HQ does not care about the server, why should we?"
HQ does, Armelin does care about it, if he does not, he wouldn't stay all that long scripting for ivmp for free.
Yes I used to say that we need more scripts but honestly when I thought about it more and talked with other people, I've found that scripts can't do much for us.
T4 came with alot of improvements/features/GUIs/jobs..etc..
What happened? Not everyone joined to test and if they did they didn't last for long.
You can do most of things rply without scripts.
Yes, of course I can't deny that scripts provide a better environment for rpers but I am sure armelin is still working on that.
"No new players joining the game"
Actually no, there are a lot of new players who registered recently but found no one to guide them so left.
Biggest clue is COL and Driving Licenses Topics where you can find many new players not only this, but also there are some who joined and found no one to guide so they didn't bother themselves to apply for passport or Dl.
"There is no a real advertisement team"
Do we really need advertisement team as official argonsth project to be back when everyone can advertise on his own?
You don't need to have a role "Advertisemt Team member " on your forums to advertise your lovely community, do it by yourself collect info/nice screenshots and advertise no one will/can prevent you from doing this.
-Start inventing new rps or rp by yourself instead of hanging at MGS only.
- let's move to another place instead of MGS, a place to rp or have fun there and not to stand there with your nice car doing nothing.
- we all should accept that we may lose matches at anytime in any rp situation we shouldn't go rage.
- we all should stay friendly together and start rping and inventing new scenarios.
- Stop grinding money/weed stop putting those two as first priority you will get bored from that. You ain't getting those money IRL.
Those are in my point of view, let's discuss or add more solutions and stop arguments already.
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if it goes off topic more or turns into shit argument to lock it immediately please we don't want to turn this into shit argument.[/font]
Well, that's a bit too agressive to do right away, just kindly telling to stop it will be fine as well haha.
I do like your post, maybe we can organise something for tomorrow or the near future so people have a reason to join and stick around like a huge roleplay?
Perhaps if people liked it then they could take over the idea and invent something unique as well so we keep the fun up.
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One problem with the server was lack of quality rp after a limit.
Same repetitive rp is boring. And trying to make new kinds of rp is not taken seriously.
Cop vs Criminal stuff. Firemen and medic missions with next to no rps and just people collabing for money. Atleast EMS and FD tried introducing roleplay in these missions and I appreciate Kowalski and tonik and many others who tried to roleplay during the past few months as Medics and Firemen and it was kinda good to see other types of rp.
Roleplay events +11 from me. Would be helpful.
Also I basically fucked my laptop and ivmp runs at fkin 20 fps now. So playing is just frustrating at that fps.
Crime families in ivmp are literal gods of some shit. Like pulling guns outta their asses or mouths or whatever cuz some cop pulled over when they were strolling in the park.
Roleplays like a nigga falls on the ground and manages to headshot me while falling and then back flips to get back up. What the fuck.
Freecops pulling over vehicles and asking for fines. No i better evade. Samp atleast has a better fine system where the money goes to no one.
Scripts are ok imo and its the will of people to roleplay that matters. Same was with Samp aswell. Teddy gave the players hope and even if main concept is the same with slight changes, it works pretty fine.
Ivmp players lost the hope when Armelin switched to vmp. We don't even know if suge is doing work on the client anymore.
Give the players some hope and they will happily hop back in
//2 am typing, sorry if it's rude or some shit like that
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One problem with the server was lack of quality rp after a limit.
Same repetitive rp is boring. And trying to make new kinds of rp is not taken seriously.
Crime families in ivmp are literal gods of some shit. Like pulling guns outta their asses or mouths or whatever cuz some cop pulled over when they were strolling in the park.
About new kinds of roleplay; it will be taken seriously if it's being roleplayed seriously. I have never seen a new kind of roleplay not being taken seriously as far as I can recall.
The wedding roleplay which happened exactly 1 week ago picked up quite well and was also taken reasonably serious aside of some jokes but you need to keep smiling.
A roleplay is not - or atleast should not be - about getting depressed at the end of the day.
If you meant the past like old Genovese with crime families then feel free, those days are gone and now crime families have evolved. Yes they are still armed but that does not mean firing is the first response they will show. In fact, I haven't heard the sound of a gunshot in a while.
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The suggestions of the think tanks are interesting. The people who used to play on IV server have grown out of it due to some reasons or moved to other "new" games or have got busy in their lives just like Ramis said. We had a lot of new players in T3 because it was easily accessible with just the IV game. Advertise it or not it won't really matter, people will buy your stuff only if they have got the money for it, here in this case they gotta have EFLC which is not "so popular" and not many have it. Maybe if we roll back to IV then we can get a fair new regular playerbase like we did in T3. Forget the "old veteran" players, they got busy with their lives and wives, they would rather choose to have a cold beer in their free time than to play.
As it seems in the end from the above comments its all stuck on the "roleplay" mostly and the people who have suggested here are the "routine" playerbase of IVMP with couple of here and there. So I don't think it would be tough to implement the new roleplay guidelines if you all want to, which also reminds me that someone in past tried to reach out to all the leaders of the crime and legal families in an attempt to "improve" the quality of roleplay but all of it died as soon as it was born. Maybe someone from you can make a head start again.
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What's the opinion of y'all to restart O.R.P.E (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=118348.0) with a refresh of the head to hopefully get this active again?
The current leadmenship seems inactive and some of them don't even play anymore unfortunately.
The head should consist of qualified (or approved by players/HQ, idk) teamwork roleplayers who can discuss and plan unique roleplay ideas internally (eg. on Discord) and advertise it on the forum.
As long as the roleplays are not too complicated I am sure everyone even with little to no roleplay experience can participate and learn and have fun.
We are the veterans thus it is our responsibility to teach regulars and newcomers how to participate in a roleplay and have fun. We could keep pointing fingers at older veterans who tried but left but fortunately WE are the veterans now thus the task has fallen in our hands. We should take the chance before it's too late.
If we are an example to others who have some difficulties to roleplay then it will ease them up. We could also plan regular (small) roleplay on fixed dates so there is a routine ongoing which means people know when any why to join so players can gather and wait for the roleplay to start.
This is what Harzy wanted in the past but he seems inactive/gone so yeah, in my opinion the idea to revive O.R.P.E might be interesting under a new leadmenship.
If reactions/replies seem positive about this idea then I would love to set the first step seeking for new leadmenship - and communicate with the old if they still are interested or can/want to become active - and get some basics ongoing so a bit of flow starts to occur.
Some of you might say it's silly to do all of this and just start roleplaying your way but I think this is neccesary so people know why and when to join and stick around for something that is going to happen rather than play other games when they see low player count in the beginning.
Awaiting response from you, the community.
- Kerrar
https://youtu.be/1w9Go0-wgO8
- Credit to Ziden for this video
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Yep, I agree with you. We need to bring it back alive with some interesting rps.
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Old leadmenship team of O.R.P.E (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=118348.0) has been notified to state their activity to see if they can/are still willing to participate in this idea.
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Personally I think no one is to blame for what happened to the community earlier, efforts are being put everyday by leaders and developers though no results. This is happening for almost every old game, everyone moved to the new battle royal games that have overtaken the popularity of even big games, such as CS:GO that was one of the most played games in the world before Fortnite and PUBG show up, player rate dropped about 70% according to Valve. All I can say is you guys are doing very well, sacrificing your own time and efforts to evolve and push forward the community. We should all keep supporting them and put trust in them until we escape this tough period.
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Yep, I agree with you. We need to bring it back alive with some interesting rps.
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I have got some input about the following scenarios that some players would like to see in the server to encourage roleplay:
- Road Administration Service/Agency
Providing responsibility for building and maintenance of the road network in Liberty City. Blocking roads that are being worked on and re-routing traffic to somewhere safe.
- Social Committee Project
For social related matters with different roleplay scenarios mainly focusing general social help and encouraging basic roleplay.
eg. helping people by providing them a job in roleplay, supporting companies/shops/markets, feedback sharing about government agencies and delivering them in a peaceful roleplay way and supporting people in parties/ceremonies or other special activities. Or just simply meeting with old friends at the bar drinking and having fun while some models are dancing on the podium.
- Hotdog Vendor
This is a classic one. During the early morning rush hour, the vendor would wheel his mobile hot dog stand to position it near crowded areas in town. The vendor would heat up hot dogs, put them on bread with sauce and extras' the customer would like and sell scores of them to the breakfast crowd every day. At lunchtime, the vendor would move his stand to a popular park where he would have lines of regulars. This could be done as a job or as support for I dont know, donation and good will purposes or just for fun!
Pretty sure there are many more unique ideas that we would like to participate in.
What kind of roleplay scenarios does the community want to see?
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- Triatlon / Marathon
- Plane crash
- Drifting show / training on grass
- Building construction (alderney or somewhere, laying foundations, preparing build)
- Highway maintenance
- Garbage collecting
- Starting a RP restaurant; pizza's, burgers w/e
- Granny's / Grandpa's terrorising the streets (Benidorm Bastards)
- Cruise ship to a far away island (where you can find alot of happiness?)
- Ship wreck due to sandbank or what ever
- Beach party with campfire and food
- Burrying someone
- Marrying someone
- TV auditions / casting
- Bigfoot is spotted in IV
- Dance party / disco / rocking the hell out of a building
- Apocalypse now / doomsday RP
- Zombie apocalypse
- Mad scientist (inventing something really odd and players getting the effect of it)
- Chinatown RP
- Something in Times Square
- Cleaning windows / maintaining sidewalks
And a whole lot more... The only limit is your imagination!
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What is killing IVMP? easy answers
What is killing IV is the lack of new players, the reach of T4 ads is limited, and the number of New players shows that.
Tho i agree HQ could done some things to get people interested in the server again.
on t3 atleast 10 to 20 new players used to /register per day !
now only 1 wala 2 max per week ..
T3 was popular and brought alot of players, the community was still united and it was more fun to play. T4 was a project that started with poor advertising
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This is a problem we should be discussing it's been a on-going issue with the IV:MP Server has been declining ever since T4 Client was released. The T4 Project was great and development was building and supportive for IV:MP and Argonath Server. I'm not here to point fingers or blame anyone for this change, but yes something has seriously happened to the server in the decrease of players... There could be a number of reasons.
- T3 still exists and it's not part of T4 as there both separated Client programs
- Many players may not be aware of T4 and Argonath
- Majority of other issues
When HQ decided to build V:MP, it's great that their in support of this project and I applaud for the sakes of their work and dedication to the support of both IV:MP and V:MP, most of all over the years you have really made IV:MP the place of home and always supported 100% over the years and months with the development and management for the Argonath Server it self.
Third V:MP staff. The current testing team (which is not all IV staff as you say but merely a small handful) is not hanging out on V all day, they are joining to test newly added features and scripts to verify they are ready for public use. As well as testing bugs and bug fixes. I have also monitored the V:MP staff and have observed activity both on V:MP and IV:MP in equal amounts.
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The management has been great over the past, but since I've seen this V:MP been a push lately, as everyone can see IV:MP has landed in the coldersack, I do think now is the time for new management and actually give dedicated jobs to those who want to be in IV:MP than V:MP Management, there was a Advertisement inside the IV:MP Discord Server advertising V:MP, what is this a V:MP that was just utterly unethical to.
It's time to send out Staff/Developer Advertisements for IV:MP and give it a boost to who want to dedicate to the server, before it's too late!!!
With all respects to current IVMP Staff they do all magnificent works over the past years for this Server, if having one Developer doing the majority of the work for both servers, there's going to be a day when support will just be lowered and cracks will be shown, one project will be just far out of reach.
Argonath IV:MP Server Management is short staffed!
As everyone can obviously notice V:MP will be at the top priority of development and actually commit to provide more opportunities for those who can give more in it's services for IV:MP Argonath. The IV:MP Division should expand to Developer Applications and for more staff to the team while the balance load is not on one Developer.
More Staff opportunities = More Success
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#skillzforManager . This man is the noblest fella in the community
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I do support the idea of having a developers application method to allow whoever wishes to help the client to just do it. However, upon a cascade of requests to add and such, which is nice to see nonetheless, it's important to remember the fundamental of Role Playing, either casual or more involved. In the current state, RP is or was little to none but on the other hand the grinding was highly preferred. You can only grind so much till you have all the shiny things that Liberty City offers then you get bored cause you've essentially reached the end of the road. With Role Play on the other hand it's different, the end of the road is what you make out of it, there's only so much you can do and achieve but at the same time you need to have people who will want to carry out throughout the RP.
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When i noticed this topic's title it literally made me cry.
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I am down with you Skillz but I think the roleplaying issue also plays a huge factor here. Some things are being made ready to be published for debate.
The community will hear more about this soon.
As for the others still not realising the phase of this topic;
This topic is meant to establish a view on who what where why how and then talk together towards a solution. This topic is NOT made to keep blaming eachother like crybabies. We got enough reasons for the server to be dead, now let's roll the solutions and create an open debate for a possible solution that shall bring win/win scenarios for all. The more input we can get, the better the outcome may be.
Please be creative and think of solutions from now on, thanks.
When i noticed this topic's title it literally made me cry.
Don't be sad, you can revive the server, really. Just join the server, sounds easy right?
The more players online the more fun it will be, easy as pie. We gotta start from somewhere so saying "there is 0/2 players online so F that" isn't a real argument to not join the server.
Some have legitimate reasons to not join like job or school, but I don't see how fortnite, apex legends, LoL and CS:GO may have priority over IV:MP.
We can only do so much as veterans to encourage people to come and play, at the end it is the decision of individuals themselves if they like to dedicate time or let the server decline.
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My home! Hello all! Hello who memory me! Hello my bro Dell, Dino! Gta 4 argonath best time in my life!
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My home! Hello all! Hello who memory me! Hello my bro Dell, Dino! Gta 4 argonath best time in my life!
Yo pmp600 man. I'm sure Dell and Dino miss you very much :(
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My home! Hello all! Hello who memory me! Hello my bro Dell, Dino! Gta 4 argonath best time in my life!
We all remember you and your Huntley bro ;)
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For me , I think what killed IV:MP is that it turned into a *money hunger * community .
the new updates that raised all the prices and drove people to go for fireman missions , with 1 or 2 players owning the city with their money and leaving nothing for others ..... this made people turn from RP to Fireman missions .
in past , it was easier to buy new cars , so people used to buy some cars and make a Gang or a group and roleplay and all the COP - Criminal thingies , then the events come and this made players stay in game for several hours .
positions in game were in constant change , where people used to get a new position and this made them curious to chase any position and stay in game !!
then comes the Permanent bans for veterans that really killed the server !! , for me and for many , Veterans mean alot for the game.
however, I have worked on the advertisement thingy and it worked past then. If anyone is interested in keeping argonath alive , he can continue that project which attracts many players , you can also use the youtube channel( has 5,285 views now !! ) and the Facebook page which attracted many players .
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As the topic creator my goal was to be as open-hearted and open for debate with as much facts and little of my opinion as possible but here can't just sit and watch, I gotta breathe and speak for my heart and soul, probably not only my heart but perhaps a big part if not all of the community;
This was part of the "broken economy" part according to some but I won't say names.
I almost forgot about this part, I had huge complaints against this in the past but yeah... This was an Argonath exclusive thingy as it had nothing to do with the client change.
I had done a request to get drug- and weapondeals in general more profitable and appealing so we could compensate for the high prices and also get more criminal roleplays from the dark side such as hiring someone to kidnap a specific person (in roleplay) and get rewarded for it (with some IG currency or weed) and as such build up an empire and dark connection between criminals.
Instead the prices have been increased (some things have prices increased over 5x like comet, just an example) and certain jobs such has fireman did get a bump in reward from 200 to 250 to 600x2 then now backwards to 750+200.
Yes, I do understand that criminals could get a supercar within weeks of playing but isn't that the whole point of criminals? Crime money is black, it is not legally part of economy and should not be seen as such with the scripts and vision of others.
Not to mention that riskfactors have increased exponentially since the classic old NPCs used to be hidden but now the weed pots are in public terrain, take Outlook for example.
Imagine having an Outlook Park in your neighborhood irl and then seeing someone plant drugs in the middle of a park... It does not seem practical and logical in my eyes but whatever.
After asking so much and trying to seek community input in the past to "prove" the HQ, players - specially the LCPD which was against the idea back then - and developer it was unsuccesful so we as players just moved on with it and I can see that back in the player statstics. I don't think it will be granted/changed anytime soon neither so in the meanwhile we can better focus in getting the basics going again as even currently the server is dead as f***, or D.A.F for short...
As for the permanent bans for veterans part, well yeah I keep my mouth shut about this one because in one perspective they did break rules but in another perspective they were loyal veterans who maybe made a slight mistake. I mean we all make mistakes, there is no rule or exception for them, they just happen with or without bad consequences.
I know some people will probably still complain and moan about this fact but before that let me tell you something.
Read this post once again, let this sink into you. Imagine being in the steps of others, look out for the different perspectives, look at past screenshots and motivation and compare it to today.
This topic is about the reasons and solutions to the Rise and fall and with that said the economy shift alongside bans indeed played a big role here.
Thank you for your time reading and understanding.
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The economy is really messed up and it has been brought up in the past. Nothing really happens.
Planting weed and doing drugs is overall same profit as grinding firemen and medic missions.
The pay is meagre so unless you grind for hours and hours and hours, you can't get a supercar or any shiny stuff.
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This post literally makes me wanna cry when I remember the old memories, the real fun that no multiplayer game ever offered.
This server had Magic, something that attracted me to play almost 3-6 hours daily without even getting bothered with all the crashes, the lowest quality this game can run on my laptop, the broken V-Sync and all of the things which people who play modern games describe as "annoying/unplayable".
The magic started to disappear after a couple of weeks of the full 24/7 T4 release. When things started to become frustrating more than entertaining.
One goal you should focus on, which I believe is going to help, is to make the T4 website (If you guys didn't revert to T3 yet), the 1st result to appear on google when anyone is searching something like "GTA 4 Multiplayer".
Only 1 video was related to this community along with other results, which is the T4 client video that Dino posted in 24/5/2018, but nope I don't think it is enough because there is tonnes of other outdated videos that confuse new players to the game.
This game is getting old, even if you guys managed to make the T4 website the 1st result on google. I don't expect new players to last long before they get bored with current content, it is the truth. Look at Fortnite for example (Which is a game I hate), It has an update like each week with tonnes of new content affiliated with other big companies, actors and even movies!
I read a few stuff on this article, one of which I read is what Hernandez said, he is totally right. Battle Royale is kinda taking over the video games industry right now. I totally know that this server is based on Roleplay. But who does actually care if there is no one playing most of the time! Mane (Mane_Lucchese) once tried to do it as an event. Well heck yeah it did attract my attention. It was like a limited time even where teams consisted of 4 (as I remember) try to fight for the last team standing in Bohan. But then it was never done.
The thing that hurts is that the majority of people are not interested into Roleplay, well it is the truth look around you! There is some successful Five:M roleplay servers, which people actually play because they're full of cops n' robbers stuff and one heck of a big GTA V arsenal of weapons. Because it is something that the GTA V official rockstar servers doesn't offer. Imagine making a game based on typical crimes, then fully militarize it with flying hyper bikes shooting un-dodge-able rockets. Yeah, I will surely play the custom Five:M servers which offer more realism and bring back the base GTA franchise content.
2 things are required, not optional; Advertisements and New ATTRACTIVE Content. Not firemen/Medic missions, smh.
(I will probably not reply to anyone for another very long time.)
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One goal you should focus on, which I believe is going to help, is to make the T4 website (If you guys didn't revert to T3 yet), the 1st result to appear on google when anyone is searching something like "GTA 4 Multiplayer".
Only 1 video was related to this community along with other results, which is the T4 client video that Dino posted in 24/5/2018, but nope I don't think it is enough because there is tonnes of other outdated videos that confuse new players to the game.
indeed
First what IVMP need is a Serious advertisement team ! leaded by Kerrar (babe) and joey ! which they are the best and the rights person to records and makes videos
the advertisment team MUST/SHOULD /HAVE TO make and post ATLEAST 1 or 2 video each week !
we need a Simple tutorial videos that include forum links / iv-mp clients (how to play GTA IV online) that explain everything in details and makes it easy for new players to install and play the game !
the 2nd prob is to make the server alive again
if a newplayer login and found himself ALONE on a 0/200 !
he will spend 2 to 5min max testing some cmd before he /q !
(same goes for me , the reason why i dont play IVMP anymore is that there is no sense on playing alone)
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This post literally makes me wanna cry when I remember the old memories, the real fun that no multiplayer game ever offered.
This server had Magic, something that attracted me to play almost 3-6 hours daily without even getting bothered with all the crashes, the lowest quality this game can run on my laptop, the broken V-Sync and all of the things which people who play modern games describe as "annoying/unplayable".
The magic started to disappear after a couple of weeks of the full 24/7 T4 release. When things started to become frustrating more than entertaining.
One goal you should focus on, which I believe is going to help, is to make the T4 website (If you guys didn't revert to T3 yet), the 1st result to appear on google when anyone is searching something like "GTA 4 Multiplayer".
Only 1 video was related to this community along with other results, which is the T4 client video that Dino posted in 24/5/2018, but nope I don't think it is enough because there is tonnes of other outdated videos that confuse new players to the game.
This game is getting old, even if you guys managed to make the T4 website the 1st result on google. I don't expect new players to last long before they get bored with current content, it is the truth. Look at Fortnite for example (Which is a game I hate), It has an update like each week with tonnes of new content affiliated with other big companies, actors and even movies!
I read a few stuff on this article, one of which I read is what Hernandez said, he is totally right. Battle Royale is kinda taking over the video games industry right now. I totally know that this server is based on Roleplay. But who does actually care if there is no one playing most of the time! Mane (Mane_Lucchese) once tried to do it as an event. Well heck yeah it did attract my attention. It was like a limited time even where teams consisted of 4 (as I remember) try to fight for the last team standing in Bohan. But then it was never done.
The thing that hurts is that the majority of people are not interested into Roleplay, well it is the truth look around you! There is some successful Five:M roleplay servers, which people actually play because they're full of cops n' robbers stuff and one heck of a big GTA V arsenal of weapons. Because it is something that the GTA V official rockstar servers doesn't offer. Imagine making a game based on typical crimes, then fully militarize it with flying hyper bikes shooting un-dodge-able rockets. Yeah, I will surely play the custom Five:M servers which offer more realism and bring back the base GTA franchise content.
2 things are required, not optional; Advertisements and New ATTRACTIVE Content. Not firemen/Medic missions, smh.
(I will probably not reply to anyone for another very long time.)
Ayyy Cjay my man wassup?
He's correct tho. Magic and the feeling I had in T3 didn't exist in T4. Didn't take much time to lose interest from then. Idk but T3 had something T4 didn't.
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This post literally makes me wanna cry when I remember the old memories, the real fun that no multiplayer game ever offered.
This server had Magic, something that attracted me to play almost 3-6 hours daily without even getting bothered with all the crashes, the lowest quality this game can run on my laptop, the broken V-Sync and all of the things which people who play modern games describe as "annoying/unplayable".
The magic started to disappear after a couple of weeks of the full 24/7 T4 release. When things started to become frustrating more than entertaining.
One goal you should focus on, which I believe is going to help, is to make the T4 website (If you guys didn't revert to T3 yet), the 1st result to appear on google when anyone is searching something like "GTA 4 Multiplayer".
Only 1 video was related to this community along with other results, which is the T4 client video that Dino posted in 24/5/2018, but nope I don't think it is enough because there is tonnes of other outdated videos that confuse new players to the game.
This game is getting old, even if you guys managed to make the T4 website the 1st result on google. I don't expect new players to last long before they get bored with current content, it is the truth. Look at Fortnite for example (Which is a game I hate), It has an update like each week with tonnes of new content affiliated with other big companies, actors and even movies!
I read a few stuff on this article, one of which I read is what Hernandez said, he is totally right. Battle Royale is kinda taking over the video games industry right now. I totally know that this server is based on Roleplay. But who does actually care if there is no one playing most of the time! Mane (Mane_Lucchese) once tried to do it as an event. Well heck yeah it did attract my attention. It was like a limited time even where teams consisted of 4 (as I remember) try to fight for the last team standing in Bohan. But then it was never done.
The thing that hurts is that the majority of people are not interested into Roleplay, well it is the truth look around you! There is some successful Five:M roleplay servers, which people actually play because they're full of cops n' robbers stuff and one heck of a big GTA V arsenal of weapons. Because it is something that the GTA V official rockstar servers doesn't offer. Imagine making a game based on typical crimes, then fully militarize it with flying hyper bikes shooting un-dodge-able rockets. Yeah, I will surely play the custom Five:M servers which offer more realism and bring back the base GTA franchise content.
2 things are required, not optional; Advertisements and New ATTRACTIVE Content. Not firemen/Medic missions, smh.
(I will probably not reply to anyone for another very long time.)
Ayyy Cjay my man wassup?
He's correct tho. Magic and the feeling I had in T3 didn't exist in T4. Didn't take much time to lose interest from then. Idk but T3 had something T4 didn't.
True, new interesting scripts should be implemented rather than new missions. Everyone almost 90% of the team is busy in V, and Armelin too. I don't think its advertisement issue but the script. I've seen new players coming up in the DM. Why do you think the old players left?
Can we cut the exam bs lol? Exams is not the issue. Lots and lots of players finished school already. Never before it was 0 cause of exams, it may decrease by few who actually do study like crazy, but its not the core issue here.
Btw Cj lets go rob the train 😜😉
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IVMP died out because of lack of support for people who wished to RP.
As 95% of interaction were rejected as soon as we interacted, for some bs excuses like doing fireman or medic mission/dont feel like Rping or they just drove off and reported us for forcing rp.
For a server that preaches RP IVMP has shitty RP rules.
When its all said and done, rules that IVMP has killed the server.
For all those who are talking about a financial imbalance, its true it exists, but we didnt scam, cheat or admin spawn money like some did in the past.
We did what any organised criminal network should, organised and worked as a medium between weed farmers and NPC dealers.
What enabled us to do so is the biggest noto lvl that Joey had, and dedication of 5 members, plus all our network members.
We paid more then the farmers could gain by selling to the NPC for there lvl.
Profit margin was slim just 1-2$ per g.
Here is the kicker we had tons of weed, one fun fact Armelin had to raise max rep lvl player had and amount of weed a player can own 3 times due to us.
On day of T3 we had a insane amount of weed on all of us, (dont remember the number but about 100 tons i think).
Sure we got rich off our weed network but so did all of our suppliers.
The monopoly we gained in T3 was all from the weed.
As for the Lucchese owning half the city, what can i say, we worked around the limitations that script made.
Not gonna bs, we did what we planed we will do.
To all those who felt robbed i'm sorry.
We did RP as criminals and we behaved like that as we could, we washed all our money and then put up a sign that store is closed we are legal now, as many crime organisations tried example Pablo Escobar.
To all those who say FBI / LCPD should stopped us they tried. Haythem did the best UC agent job so far and we did few crimes right in front of him.
LCPD had there try as you can read in the court when they made a case against Joey.
In the end we just sticked to our RP idea of how a mafia should behave, we used our knowledge of the system and planed ahead unlike many others.
We had few worthy rivals on the street WH and SFC who knew how to RP and clashed with us in all things they could, from weed market to vehicle theft.
Im not saying all others are bad, but they just didn't have the organisation to match us or SFC or WH.
While i praise people like Honighs who RPed with ease with so many people, HQ did nothing to support RP, the attitude Its cool that you RP, but that's not anything special lead to this.
Till the rules change and RP gets some help, the player population wont grow.
I don't know how many times i asked HQ to do something about the state of RP, i even had a sit down with all the criminal fractions in LC about the quality of RP, in the end i had a situation where 7 of us had really no RP to do unless its in house RP between our selfs.
With V:MP we hoped things will change, but IVMP and V:MP are in same state rp support wise.
And that state is who gives a damn about RP, do what you wanna do.
So its cool that so many people are coming out to try and bring life to the server once again, but till HQ dose anything, all out words and ideas are in vain.
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tl;dr of two pages full of reasons
veterans: banned
t4: barely known
updates: hella boring
jobs: still low wage
players: grinding
economy: fucked
mgs: should be bombed
car prices: should be dropped
playerbase: should be revived
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Lol someone thinks luchesse cheated their way up? Lol wtf. Last time I checked on ferocia when ivmp was still active, Joey had the most playtime in all the servers combined. :lol:
Btw RP should be at least be mildly enforced on a RP server. Cuz most of the time the players just focused on Firemen and Medic Missions because without them there was really less chance of getting ahead in the game. The cars are overpriced and players grind to get them cars. RP didn't pay to many so they didn't RP at all.
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The only fair way was that everything should have been reset in T3/T4, creating equal opportunities rather than old rich beaches bossing around with cash and Rolls Royce.
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server died since i left smh im gonna come back and revive yall from the dead
You are right my friend me too when i come back i will revive ivmp server with you and all elder players across the world
Have faith my friends and patience
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IVMP need to move from Light rp server
to a medium/heavy rp server
where
refuse to rp
avoiding rp
poor rp
are considered as rulebreaks
also we need to update the /trade by removing /accepttrade for (players who have passport)
and that makes the Drugs/guns Scam allowed like SAMP
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No and forget about script updates/changes for some months now
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argonath got cucked again huh
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Lmao
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Ayyy Cjay my man wassup?
He's correct tho. Magic and the feeling I had in T3 didn't exist in T4. Didn't take much time to lose interest from then. Idk but T3 had something T4 didn't.
Hello Jack, I am pretty fine and I am slowly getting more free time to do stuff with. Unfortunately, my crappy laptop can't run this game anymore. But luckily, I am buying a new budget one soon with a GTX 1060, i7-8750H and 16 gigs of ram, which are pretty enough to run most games on high-ultra settings. One thing I am pretty sure of is that I am going to join the server in a month or so and I'll try my best to help this server stand again on its feet.
I am so much happy because we are slowly regaining players, I remember like 2-3 months ago, I used to check game-state like each 2 weeks, so game state used to show me how much players were online in the past 23-24 hours. Well, the statistics weren't fine. Most of the time it showed 1 or 0.5 players even at our usual server activity time which in my case was like 5-6 o'clock pm.
In the past 2 weeks, when I started to check forums and game state even more than usual, it started showing a good amount of player, 15 players at peek! Well, this is amazing considering there has been no new content or updates as far as I know. Which gave me hope.
Like literally, this server was perfect. It had things no game ever has offered me. It offered me an experience no other game made me feel. I am not wrong I tried too much games, probably the hole GTA Series and even tried playing on other custom servers (MTA, Vicecity, San Andreas, GTA V and IV), they were complete garbage.
Somehow, I was enjoying my time, all of the annoying stuff such as crashes, the shitty port of this game, my crappy laptop, the small amount of vehicles and activities and even my ping. I didn't notice them at all, well sometimes it was frustrating to get disconnected randomly in a 32/32 players anniversary and not being in the annual picture which was never repeated because there was no players after, but that is okay.
Hey, fun fact, this server even taught me English.
I was completely unable to form a proper sentence when I first joined in early 2017. but hey loook at me naow i can speacc engilish proberly.
Btw Cj lets go rob the train 😜😉
I would've done that way ago but unfortunately, there is no "physical" train in our server. This is why we should focus on finding more people who have the skills in scripting. Because I heard Armelin has partially left or has no more time for scripting but I also heard that he will try to write more scripts for us.
I remember, way way ago probably in T3, Miku4v (the guy with the infernus all of the time), I guess that was his name. He had some scripting skills. And also Beshoo paula, as she/he said! But I doubt Miku4 is ever joining again because he went inactive or maybe changed his name.
We need to kind of recruit or add a notification in game which kinda says something similar to "Have you got scripting skills? Want to help and get exclusive perks in return? PM (insert someone's name here) in game to volunteer!" and probably this would appear 1 time for old players and like 3-5 times for new players as notifications in a daily basis.
Hey, most of what I said are more like suggestions, but I am pretty sure that this is the right topic, if not, I have no doubt that we have Sauron's eye attention, huh?
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If the reason for lack of players is GTA IV being ancient then how come SAMP has much more players active even till this day?
SA:MP is pretty much already dead.
VC:MP is still going strong because it has a much more dedicated, strong and united community that's been rock solid since 2008. Besides, VC:MP is very popular among Middle Eastern - Asian nations, such as Pakistan and India, where an average Joe does not have a powerful enough computer to run any of the newer games, so VC:MP always has a potential base for new players.
IV:MP T4, however, is a client mainly designed for Argonath with hardly any other servers there.
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If the reason for lack of players is GTA IV being ancient then how come SAMP has much more players active even till this day?
SA:MP is pretty much already dead.
Can't say I agree since we seem to be picking up again recently, but thanks for your insight :)
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If the reason for lack of players is GTA IV being ancient then how come SAMP has much more players active even till this day?
SA:MP is pretty much already dead.
Can't say I agree since we seem to be picking up again recently, but thanks for your insight :)
Well hopefully this time it's going to be different. Thought it wouldn't be the first time :)
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IV:MP T4, however, is a client mainly designed for Argonath with hardly any other servers there.
There is another mod CitizenIV for GTA. Unfortunately it does not have a lot more players there either
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Why do you even blame the client and scripts, they are nice. People had played on this server since beginning and then they grew up, left the server because of need in studying or even working and some of their friends left, because it became boring. That have been happening for years, everyone is 18+ now and has no time for playing whole day. There are no newcomers because nobody wants to play such an old complicated game with 8 players online, you have nothing to do with this. And why you say everyone left because of lack of RP....You can start RPing, lets see how many players come back
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Why do you even blame the client and scripts, they are nice. People had played on this server since beginning and then they grew up, left the server because of need in studying or even working and some of their friends left, because it became boring. That have been happening for years, everyone is 18+ now and has no time for playing whole day. There are no newcomers because nobody wants to play such an old complicated game with 8 players online, you have nothing to do with this. And why you say everyone left because of lack of RP....You can start RPing, lets see how many players come back
Like everyone of us enjoys roleplaying with someone who is dedicated to roleplay for 5 minutes and then continue with your business (i.e. missions or growing weed).
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IVMP need to move from Light rp server
to a medium/heavy rp server
where
refuse to rp
avoiding rp
poor rp
are considered as rulebreaks
also we need to update the /trade by removing /accepttrade for (players who have passport)
and that makes the Drugs/guns Scam allowed like SAMP
Stop dreaming bro, look at the player base.
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IVMP need to move from Light rp server
to a medium/heavy rp server
where
refuse to rp
avoiding rp
poor rp
are considered as rulebreaks
also we need to update the /trade by removing /accepttrade for (players who have passport)
and that makes the Drugs/guns Scam allowed like SAMP
I believe that everyone can start that by himself without the need of the rules for now. I mean until the rules are updated, if everyone starts to roleplay to his best it will be a healthy and good environment for everyone to play on.
Stop dreaming bro, look at the player base.
Let's not say that and better try our best to get playerbase back on its feet.
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The decreasing quality of roleplay did effect our server's players, slightly. But it was never the reason people stopped playing.