Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Andeey on June 01, 2019, 04:27:30 am
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G'day,
Due to all the recent talks on RS4 and the polling that has been done it seems that a few people want RS4 to come back and for us to have RS6 on the side or to not have it at all.
I can see that alot of people just want players back or just some nostalgic feelings of when the server was in it's prime, Active leaders, Active development, 150+ players a night, Major groups active, roleplay everywhere you looked, overlooked TDM and freeroam.
But why is it so hard to enjoy RS5 and now RS6 that has been worked on since 2013, From the failed launch of RS5 to the major success of RS5.2 and now the current process of building what is to be RS6?
I feel like the main reason people voted for RS4 to come back is to regain that feeling of having players everywhere and active, but for that to happen RS6 would need to be ditched and left for dead, RS4 without proper support would be left to rot and the would eventually be destroyed after having no administration, no development and overall no support, Why not just give it support you say?
Well.. For us to support a server that is stuck in 2012 we would need to downgrade our rules, we would need to retrain our staff team, We would need to split our divisions when there is no room to split.
We can't simply split the two divisions or merge the two divisions because they're completely different, How do you think RS4 players would react to RS5 admins being incharge of RS4? not well.. ofcourse.
I guess what i want to ask of the players here is.. Why do you really want RS4 back and why do you so desperately want us to ditch RS6?
If we revert back to RS4 sure we will have an obvious increase in playerbase due to the nostalgia around the gamemode but what will you lose?
Group scripts
Ability to own more than 1 business/house
Ability to own more than 3 vehicles
unique drug scripts
Trucking
street cleaning
Oil working job
A PD system that is more than just "/gu or get killed"
and countless other systems that help people to roleplay or get around the server and have fun.
I guess what i want to ask of the players here is.. Why do you really want RS4 back and why do you so desperately want us to ditch RS6?(I'd rather this than listen to a poll by mostly inactive players who don't bother to post or visit ingame)
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I personally just wanted to see RS4 again just for fun, I wouldn't replace RS6 with RS4. It just seemed like a neat thing to just to remember what was. RS4 is in the past and it should stay there, but playing a little on it wouldn't be bad for at least for a little bit.
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I personally just wanted to see RS4 again just for fun, I wouldn't replace RS6 with RS4. It just seemed like a neat thing to just to remember what was. RS4 is in the past and it should stay there, but playing a little on it wouldn't be bad for at least for a little bit.
We could always run an RS4 server whenever we have a server downtime for Maintenance or updates.
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I personally just wanted to see RS4 again just for fun, I wouldn't replace RS6 with RS4. It just seemed like a neat thing to just to remember what was. RS4 is in the past and it should stay there, but playing a little on it wouldn't be bad for at least for a little bit.
We could always run an RS4 server whenever we have a server downtime for Maintenance or updates.
Is that long enough though? Personally, I don't have a strong opinion on this. I don't see a big issue to allow both servers to run but have a certain restriction on RS4 so it doesn't spiral out of control. When we look back at RS4 though, it's through rose tinted glasses and things seemed better back then. Things were better in a sense because there were people but I don't know how a RS4 server would feel without that kind of playerbase.
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I personally just wanted to see RS4 again just for fun, I wouldn't replace RS6 with RS4. It just seemed like a neat thing to just to remember what was. RS4 is in the past and it should stay there, but playing a little on it wouldn't be bad for at least for a little bit.
We could always run an RS4 server whenever we have a server downtime for Maintenance or updates.
Is that long enough though? Personally, I don't have a strong opinion on this. I don't see a big issue to allow both servers to run but have a certain restriction on RS4 so it doesn't spiral out of control. When we look back at RS4 though, it's through rose tinted glasses and things seemed better back then. Things were better in a sense because there were people but I don't know how a RS4 server would feel without that kind of playerbase.
The reason RS4 won't work now is because its something thats been well and truly in the past for a long time, We've moved on to bigger and better things, RS4 only got the players it had because it was one the best options for freeroam/rp back when SA:MP was in it's prime, It's no secret that SA:MP is slowly but surely dying off as an older game most have moved onto GTA V or other games.
What's the real point to running a Legacy RS4 server? with no support it's just going to become out of control, Also script wise im sure a developer can back this up but there is almost no room to work with.
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Argonath's usp was its simplicity. I find it complex now, so much so that I haven't tried criminal or cop or mining because what I have is already way too complex. A new player will be lost in the myriad of rules and scripts - he is learning how to use scripts instead of how to rp.
People may have left due to various reasons but if another chilled out, friendly place becomes medium to heavy rp, the purpose of the server is not served. We all have real life for heavy rp :)
As another old member of our community said, we have more instances of players telling us what not to do than what we can - how will old members come back? This is why I feel that going back one step will be a 100 steps forward in the long run.
Nostalgia will not keep a server running for more than a week. But the purpose will. Slowly (since people need to get used to a simpler life) but surely.
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RS5's script are dope with no doubt, RS4's main entertainment is related to how simple RS4 was, RS5's scripts are dope, and tbh i'd like to see RS4 back just for the playerbase we had, and the unique groups.
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Sometimes simplicity just works. People who like hardcore RP and complex scripts go to the already better established LSRP and RCRP.
People liked Argonath for the chilled out environment.
Tell me, what really are you going to lose if we try out RS4 for a couple of months? You're going to lose the efforts on RS5 and 6? How are those efforts working out for you with 0 players right now?
Just try it out man. If it works we'll get a server back, whats the big deal with anti-RS4 vibe you guys got?
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The simplicity of RS4 is what drove the Leadership at the time of RS5 to change things up, it ended up dead like we currently are, Simple rules and minor scripting wasn't enough after how many years.. 8?
Things were changed and it sparked interest as intended and people started playing again and with that newer playerbase everything done since then has been to try keep everyone happy and able to enjoy the gamemode, Now that it's down and not working again We're trying to get to the root causes of the issues but how can we do that if not everyone is voicing their opinion?
Hell we even started a SA:MP Feedback (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=126218.0) thread, I can disclose that the main issues people seemed to have were staff related or rule related with not being clear and/or strict enough with roleplay. Which has resulted in a staff review taking place(still ongoing) and multiple rules being looked at.
Reverting back to simpler times will just be a waste of time we've all been there and done that..
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We don't want to revert back, we don't want to ditch RS5 and RS6 to have RS4 back. Why does the leadership fail to understand that players are simply asking for a chance to play on the same gamemode they used to have great times on?
It is clear that the playerbase is daily on 0, and players are not enjoying the main server and that's not our topic anyway because this one is rather about having a chance to revive memories for those who played on RS4 and maybe have fun. This could be a chance, who knows?
I just wonder why does the HQ hesitate and say that it's going to harm when it's already too late, everything is messed up, the server is already dead whether you admit it or not, and it was everyone's fault including the HQ's and for once, take responsibility for it and listen to players on their "last wishes".
Have this as a side server for some time and keep the main one running with updates and all. If the server does not do good, then simply shut it off because we're used to not doing good anyway.
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Also script wise im sure a developer can back this up but there is almost no room to work with.
This is true, coding wise RS4 is one of the worst code bases I have ever worked with. Not to of course discount the devs work, actually to their credit it is impressive they managed anything with the style. For example, in RS5 here's a chunk of code:
new tPlayerName[MAX_PLAYER_NAME];
You might not know coding, but it is very easy to see just by looking at this that it is infact a variable for Player's Name.
In RS4, you have this:
new String_128[128];
new String_64[64];
new Int_1;
new Int_2;
new Int_3;
These are all defined at the top of each script, and shared throughout the entire runtime. This means when you look at RS4 to try and fix something you have no fucking idea what the values are cause you have no idea what the variables are suppose to be. You have to sit there and look at every. single. fucking. line. and. function. to figure out something as simple as a value being a player's name.
It is without a doubt a shitshow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_convention_(programming)#Readability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_convention_(programming)#Readability)
http://wiki.c2.com/?GoodVariableNames (http://wiki.c2.com/?GoodVariableNames)
https://blog.usejournal.com/naming-your-variables-f9477ba002e9 (https://blog.usejournal.com/naming-your-variables-f9477ba002e9)
https://spin.atomicobject.com/2017/11/01/good-variable-names/ (https://spin.atomicobject.com/2017/11/01/good-variable-names/)
https://www.cs.utah.edu/~germain/PPS/Topics/variables.html (https://www.cs.utah.edu/~germain/PPS/Topics/variables.html)
and here's one from 2001 http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=131025&seqNum=3 (http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=131025&seqNum=3)
The point is it has literally always been common practice to name your variables indicative of their purpose. This is what makes working with RS4 so difficult. This is why I will not work in RS4's code.
Furthermore, RS4 uses flatfiles for database, this is why things were often really slow back then. It is a very outdated, slow, and error-prone method of saving data. RS5's rewrite introduced MySQL database for fast, modern, and far less error-prone method of saving your data. The data is all gone, the flatfiles were lost. This means RS4 has no data, we would have to reconstruct all of it from scratch. The vehicles, the properties, and moreso your accounts. MIND YOU: Due to the variables and their uselessness above, we would be quite delayed in attempting to understand how these files were constructed and configured.
At the amount I am receiving, it is still quite generous how much time I already put into coding here. I get $100/mo from Argonath, and my usual rate as a developer is $64/hr.. yet on weapon crafting alone I've put well over 10. However, I will not suffer to work on RS4's code while undervaluing myself. Not going to happen.
Where was all the feedback on the simplicity of things on Andeey's survey? Or any of our feedback replies. If you want simplicity, we can deliver. Look at the economy system, /cash and a dynamic dialog with only information that impacts you is available. We can certainly simplify the scripts. We just need to hear from you when we asked, many, many, times.
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@Andeey yay for moving fwd with my ideas you dirty kangaroo. Where's my promotion?
But yeah guys staff needs to change, rules and scripts need updating, we need to get new things going, and things are finally happening...so yay! See y'all in game soon :jackson:
Edit: this was totally meant to go on a topic for admins.
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I figured I’d take a moment to share my thoughts.
I’m no longer betting on RS6.
No matter the improvements, new features, or rule changes, the server is effectively dead. Our clients, our users, don’t want to use the product that we created.
We can create as many new features as we want, but if we have no users, what’s the point?
In business, this is known as product market fit. We failed to reach it with these new versions. We failed to capture new and old users with our scripts.
I’ve spent the last couple of months meeting my admin activity (7+ hours/week) and the sad part is that at most, we had 2-3 people login. This isn’t a time zone issue. I tried different times of the day, same result. Therefore, in my eyes, I believe the server is dead.
Like Cutt3r mentioned, part of the issue is that we’re making the server too complex for users to use. There is a huge learning curve required just to figure out what you can do and how you can do certain things. We tried resolving this with a tutorial. It still made our retention rate of players pretty low.
I personally believe another part of the issue is that we shifted focus. What made Argonath great? I think it was because we were different. We weren’t a strict RP server. We weren’t a free roam server either. We were, what I would call, “light RP”. Then, we had some folks push heavy for stricter RP rules and now we have OOC/IC added. Like what the fuck? Where did that come from? We pushed HEAVILY years before to not have those monikers and now we have them.
We lost our way on what made Argonath special. Our current scripts are too hard for new and old players to understand. We introduced rules that should’ve have been introduced. Because of this, we lost the community. We have lost what made us special. We’re now just another RP server.
Yet, I personally believe we still have a great opportunity to work something out. If you’re not blind, have you not noticed how much activity we had on the forums in the last couple of days? People are once again excited about something. They’re throwing in their ideas. They’re thinking about how they would be on the Legacy server.
HQ should take this opportunity and run with it.
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I figured I’d take a moment to share my thoughts.
I’m no longer betting on RS6.
No matter the improvements, new features, or rule changes, the server is effectively dead. Our clients, our users, don’t want to use the product that we created.
We can create as many new features as we want, but if we have no users, what’s the point?
In business, this is known as product market fit. We failed to reach it with these new versions. We failed to capture new and old users with our scripts.
I’ve spent the last couple of months meeting my admin activity (7+ hours/week) and the sad part is that at most, we had 2-3 people login. This isn’t a time zone issue. I tried different times of the day, same result. Therefore, in my eyes, I believe the server is dead.
Like Cutt3r mentioned, part of the issue is that we’re making the server too complex for users to use. There is a huge learning curve required just to figure out what you can do and how you can do certain things. We tried resolving this with a tutorial. It still made our retention rate of players pretty low.
I personally believe another part of the issue is that we shifted focus. What made Argonath great? I think it was because we were different. We weren’t a strict RP server. We weren’t a free roam server either. We were, what I would call, “light RP”. Then, we had some folks push heavy for stricter RP rules and now we have OOC/IC added. Like what the fuck? Where did that come from? We pushed HEAVILY years before to not have those monikers and now we have them.
We lost our way on what made Argonath special. Our current scripts are too hard for new and old players to understand. We introduced rules that should’ve have been introduced. Because of this, we lost the community. We have lost what made us special. We’re now just another RP server.
Yet, I personally believe we still have a great opportunity to work something out. If you’re not blind, have you not noticed how much activity we had on the forums in the last couple of days? People are once again excited about something. They’re throwing in their ideas. They’re thinking about how they would be on the Legacy server.
HQ should take this opportunity and run with it.
Nathan your thoughts are very very very brilliant , i support you till the end, but if we make it, i dont think there will be an end with rs4.
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If someones shouting anything loud enough and HQ sees a couple of people falling for it, they are gonna bend for it now asap? C'mon...:D
Desperation must be real.
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If HQ did what was necessary back then, people wouldn't be desperate now and asking for the illogical to be done.
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You will kill the server, no way RS4 will save it. The community is toxic as fuck, myself included, but still not going to work. As long as the current player structure stands, this will be the server.
And Nathan, with all due respect, you haven't been playing long enough to see how the playerbase reacted to scripts/rule/policy changes.
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And Nathan, with all due respect, you haven't been playing long enough to see how the playerbase reacted to scripts/rule/policy changes.
Homie please, I've been here for over a decade now.
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Stop shitting on the forums, Rs4 will get argonath into life or it wont, its simple, lets leave it on the time and we will see, if it succeed we will continue playing it, if it doesnt , nothing to lose. We will get back into the current gamemode. Nothing to lose.
I dont want to offend anybody, its just the truth.
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I've been out of sight for a long time and I do not know what exactly is going on, but what I know is that enlivening RS4 is not the solution for the current situation, it is simply the maturation of people that does not give them the motive to hop in and play, at least that is what I think. Hello though.
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The data is all gone, the flatfiles were lost.
If this is true and you cant teleport us straight back to 2012 then i see no point of this. Noone has time and will to grind it again.
I think this is it fellas. Old files are gone, new ones are a fail. It's just been a prolonged death.
@Teddy I know it's too late but i just looked it up and from what i found it's possible to transter MySQL files to flat files and vice versa(i saw posts dating from 2006-2011), that means the files were never much of a problem. It's just that someone had a problem with variable names and functions not being abstract and optimal.
In that case I'll never understand why a) Fresh script with transferred data was made
b) Simply new system made on the current one with data preserved
I understand the flat files are slower, but it was working decently for the amount of people there were. Better slower than a full restart.
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The data is all gone, the flatfiles were lost.
If this is true and you cant teleport us straight back to 2012 then i see no point of this. Noone has time and will to grind it again.
I think this is it fellas. Old files are gone, new ones are a fail. It's just been a prolonged death.
@Teddy I know it's too late but i just looked it up and from what i found it's possible to transter MySQL files to flat files and vice versa(i saw posts dating from 2006-2011), that means the files were never much of a problem. It's just that someone had a problem with variable names and functions not being abstract and optimal.
In that case I'll never understand why a) Fresh script with transferred data was made
b) Simply new system made on the current one with data preserved
I understand the flat files are slower, but it was working decently for the amount of people there were. Better slower than a full restart.
I don't know what Teddy is referring to. From what I can tell, the data is still there on the server. User files dating back from 2011 until August 8th, 2013 are present.
Anyways there most certainly are ways to convert the data of course, anything is possible in that aspect but any tool that does that would have to be a custom made tool. There's no way to do this fast and without being a royal pain in the ass. I was not involved in the dev team when the transition from RS4 to RS5 took place, so I personally do not know the true reason as to why they decided to scrap the data. I can only speculate that it was because converting the data would be a long, tedious process that would only delay things further than they needed to be.
They could have kept the files, sure, but eventually that would bog down the server's hard drive. I remember there was a rollback of data once due to a server crash years ago. I do not know what caused the crash but if I had to guess it would be hard drive failure from shear ton of read/write processes that were being done.
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And Nathan, with all due respect, you haven't been playing long enough to see how the playerbase reacted to scripts/rule/policy changes.
Homie please, I've been here for over a decade now.
Not Argonath, RS5. Go compare the player activity pre certain events and after certain events. RS5.1 comes to mind. The meth script was huge at some point. I mean fuck, Gandalf logging in attracts players... Someone else makes them log off...
Just because you think the product isn't being liked by the players, doesn't make it a fact.
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So ... the player base is what ... 5 tops? And you want to divide that?
Nostalgia won't run you for more than a couple of weeks ... and nostalgia of what? It's not the script ... it never fuckin' was. It's the people ... it's yourself...
What do I miss from rs4? The fact that I was I was still a school boy, spent half my day playing here, the server was full, I was a complete fuckin' noob. I enjoyed growing drugs and shooting everything and everyone most of my time IG, RP was nice but I clearly sucked at it.
You don't miss rs4... you miss how you felt in it... And fuck's sake, you know you won't feel the same in it, you are not the same...
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all you who comment "nostalgia shit", "rs6 is better" "if you bring rs4 ill not join the server anymore" I am sorry but where have you been past years? why you never joined the server? why you stopped playing when rs5 came? why are you comenting now lol? Why you arent online right now?
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all you who comment "nostalgia shit", "rs6 is better" "if you bring rs4 ill not join the server anymore" I am sorry but where have you been past years? why you never joined the server? why you stopped playing when rs5 came? why are you comenting now lol? Why you arent online right now?
They're busy defending the hq to get some ranks. Asslickers bro :dance:
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The problem with the Samp server is that the functions are the same and do not change. The player gets little money when he does the job. I also see the rules that must be changed and the staff should be good with the people.
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Nostalgia won't run you for more than a couple of weeks ... and nostalgia of what? It's not the script ... it never fuckin' was. It's the people ... it's yourself...
What do I miss from rs4? The fact that I was I was still a school boy, spent half my day playing here, the server was full, I was a complete fuckin' noob. I enjoyed growing drugs and shooting everything and everyone most of my time IG, RP was nice but I clearly sucked at it.
You don't miss rs4... you miss how you felt in it... And fuck's sake, you know you won't feel the same in it, you are not the same...
Prety much sums it up
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They're busy defending the hq to get some ranks. Asslickers bro :dance:
I love it when people generalize everything... Everyone against Rs4 idea is an asslicker who wants ranks and shit... Yet I've never even applied to become a mod... Don't waste your time writing such things guys ... come on...
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We have had so much back and forth but we are still stuck where we were.
Maybe another option we have - move to rs 6 but at least keep the rs 4 rules? Simple light rp? How did ic/ooc (and heavens know what other complex rules) become a part of argo i do not know but it should not be enforced please.
We banked on being a friendly helpful community. Please lets keep it that way. Complex rules, scripts and systems will NOT help with the vision we had. Bad attitudes will also not help. If there are such people, kick their butts off the server. If this is the majority, please, still continue - u will get new players who are way better than the majority players with bad attitudes u kicked out.
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We have had so much back and forth but we are still stuck where we were.
Maybe another option we have - move to rs 6 but at least keep the rs 4 rules? Simple light rp? How did ic/ooc (and heavens know what other complex rules) become a part of argo i do not know but it should not be enforced please.
We banked on being a friendly helpful community. Please lets keep it that way. Complex rules, scripts and systems will NOT help with the vision we had. Bad attitudes will also not help. If there are such people, kick their butts off the server. If this is the majority, please, still continue - u will get new players who are way better than the majority players with bad attitudes u kicked out.
IC/OOC isn't forced on anybody, it was purely added as an experimental method as people wanted it.
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So what exactly is the problem with RS6, why going backwards?
RS4 nostalgia without the database and support? Hell no, people left after RS5 exactly because of that lol.
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all you who comment "nostalgia shit", "rs6 is better" "if you bring rs4 ill not join the server anymore" I am sorry but where have you been past years? why you never joined the server? why you stopped playing when rs5 came? why are you comenting now lol? Why you arent online right now?
They're busy defending the hq to get some ranks. Asslickers bro :dance:
Yes bro, because I will certainly get to have a rank with my 0hrs / week. Actually I'm already in the talks with HQ for a private island in the middle of Glen Park, I will make it a prison, I already have developer support because I support RS6 anyway. But I'll wrap it up, you're on to us!
Seriously, just stop...
We have had so much back and forth but we are still stuck where we were.
Maybe another option we have - move to rs 6 but at least keep the rs 4 rules? Simple light rp? How did ic/ooc (and heavens know what other complex rules) become a part of argo i do not know but it should not be enforced please.
We banked on being a friendly helpful community. Please lets keep it that way. Complex rules, scripts and systems will NOT help with the vision we had. Bad attitudes will also not help. If there are such people, kick their butts off the server. If this is the majority, please, still continue - u will get new players who are way better than the majority players with bad attitudes u kicked out.
We are certainly not a friendly helpful community. We may pretend so we don't get punished, perhaps.
Anyway, the complex rules, such as "This is RP and this is not RP" are there because eventually someone abused it. Take "/pm is RP if you make it RP" rule. Certain people ask you in pm if you're selling/buying drugs, you reply, make a drug deal, get rich. Oh you PMed the FBI? Doesn't matter, they can't do anything about it because it's PM and it doesn't classify as RP in court, for good reason too, people don't private message each other like that. There's /sms you know...
People also wanted blips removed, /area removed, certain metagaming elements are still there, a huge chunk of Argonath is still there, common sense isn't sadly.
A developer said "what's a complex script" and I don't see anyone telling him this and that. I wish you all remembered how it was back when we had pickpocket, wallets, cards, atm limits, 8 commands to buy a card, 12 for a wallet and 18 steps to put a card in a wallet. We spoke against it, it got changed.
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I think all we need is transparency from HQ on as much as possible, ideas from the players being taken into consideration and implemented on trial and error bases, and an enjoyable atmosphere.
We need to put our server's atmosphere first, without a good atmosphere and nothing but salt from players, SA:MP will be a toxic chamber nobody wants to join.
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IC/OOC isn't forced on anybody, it was purely added as an experimental method as people wanted it.
Exactly sir. Why? Hq could definitely listen to people but based on the vision (not telling u how to run the show).
@Stivi yes, u r right. If someone abuses it, things get complex. I can only say though that we keep it simple and use the rod when some spoilt person tries to mess things up.
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Rs4 will bring in 2 weeks of activity maybe 1 month at the max. After that it will go empty.
Restoring rs4 stats is not worth it since it will be a big fku to people who stayed and invested time post rs5.
Ray is pretty solid as of now and is stable and has quality scripts.
Plus the bs about "script complexity", anyone with a brain can accustom to these scripts. They are pretty simple and /help is sorted out good enough incase you need help. Invest time and you will learn the commands
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if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.
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if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.
You've done nothing but call us idiots and keep saying the same thing over and over, Instead of jumping the gun like amateurs and opening RS4 back up how about we get to the core reasons why people dislike Argonath?(SAMP) for example the complexity of the server.. We can easily push changes to make it more simple and enjoyable if that's what people want.
As for running RS4 right away.. We cannot do so as the server is unstable and needs some work from the developers so please give them some time and we might just be able to run the server for a nostalgic feeling for a little while. :dead:
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IC/OOC isn't forced on anybody, it was purely added as an experimental method as people wanted it.
Exactly sir. Why? Hq could definitely listen to people but based on the vision (not telling u how to run the show).
@Stivi yes, u r right. If someone abuses it, things get complex. I can only say though that we keep it simple and use the rod when some spoilt person tries to mess things up.
Oh please.. The vision is severely outdated if we wanted the server to die out years ago we would've stuck to every word of the vision.
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if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.
You've done nothing but call us idiots and keep saying the same thing over and over, Instead of jumping the gun like amateurs and opening RS4 back up how about we get to the core reasons why people dislike Argonath?(SAMP) for example the complexity of the server.. We can easily push changes to make it more simple and enjoyable if that's what people want.
As for running RS4 right away.. We cannot do so as the server is unstable and needs some work from the developers so please give them some time and we might just be able to run the server for a nostalgic feeling for a little while. :dead:
I didnt call you an idiot Andeey, i called idiots those who dont want Argonath to grow again. But if you feel in the middle of players who dont want argonath to grow, then its for you too.
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if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.
Excuse me what do you know about RS4 lol? I bet you were playing on RS4.
You kept saying RS4 will bring up the activity, This is the most retarded statement I read. what makes RS4 popular was the community atmosphere which was peaceful, Unlike now everyone felt persecuted and Of course the tense atmosphere which took over the community. Players don't trust the HQ or The staff team. What do you expect will be the out come of this misrey. This is the reason of this downfall.
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if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.
Excuse me what do you know about RS4 lol? I bet you were playing on RS4.
You kept saying RS4 will bring up the activity, This is the most retarded statement I read. what makes RS4 popular was the community atmosphere which was peaceful, Unlike now everyone felt persecuted and Of course the tense atmosphere which took over the community. Players don't trust the HQ or The staff team. What do you expect will be the out come of this misrey. This is the reason of this downfall.
Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me
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You've done nothing but call us idiots and keep saying the same thing over and over, Instead of jumping the gun like amateurs and opening RS4 back up how about we get to the core reasons why people dislike Argonath?(SAMP) for example the complexity of the server.. We can easily push changes to make it more simple and enjoyable if that's what people want.
As for running RS4 right away.. We cannot do so as the server is unstable and needs some work from the developers so please give them some time and we might just be able to run the server for a nostalgic feeling for a little while. :dead:
I personally do not think RS4 would change anything for Argonath. The only reason why I myself am supporting the idea is because I believe the players would love to have a chance to try the feeling again of what they used to name great times. I would love to take part of that journey myself even though I've never played RS4 or even been around when it was there.
But let me tell you the reasons why I think Argonath died and the players no longer enjoy it.
Bias in Argonath is a huge issue. This does not need no explanation, everyone know what a biased staff (including the HQ) can be. It is true, everyone is biased in the eyes of those that happened to have an action against them because it's human nature; but the kind of bias I'm talking about is not the player's fault nor the staff.
It's on the HQ, the rules are not clear, everything is messed up. Andeey has his own point of view on some rules, Manoni would probably have a whole different opinion, and it even gets worse when going down the ranks. Is this a big issue? If unsolved, yes it's the main reason why people left. Can it be solved? Hell yes, it does not need nobody to fight for it, it just needs HQ to point out simple rules like any other server that is still alive or fighting to be. HQ's fault was to not clarify the rules for the players mainly and even the administrators. The rules are so complex that noone even knows the real meaning of it or purpose and it's just what we think we know, until you run up to an admin that would tell you otherwise, and then run into another that would just confuse you.
What I'd rather suggest is to take the whole list of rules and not just edit it, write a complete different one that is understandable even by the dumbest. Make the rules clear to everyone, and have the balls to punish those who do not play fair and enforce people to start using common sense. We all know that some groups in Argonath history were protected simply because they had a very huge impact on the activity of the server, but that led the rest to leave. Stop leaning to one side and stand straight, enforce the rules on everyone because nobody is above them. Treat everyone the same, and get everyone to stop hating each other simply by not giving them the chance to. It is right that nobody is around to even hate on, but make a move, apologize for the players, start a new beginning where you'd promise to serve everyone right and stand up for your words.
And stop wasting people's time with promises that you wouldn't fulfil. If you won't do something, simply say you won't. Your promises for the past two years were nothing but words, nothing came true, it took us more than two years to get a storage system. Is that progress? No. It is not. Progress is when you do something in the time, not when people already left because you don't listen to them. Start pushing what's important and leave the sidescripts that nobody needs aside.
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Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me
Trust you for what? Do you want a database restart again? Do you want to start from 10k again? Do you want to play on un-supported gamemode?
Players left when they reset the players data on RS5, It will work for a week or two not more than this and everyone will go inactive again and they will start more topics about the activity of the server, I saw around 80 players vote on the Poll started by chase, Players are willing to play back but they want to see their needs applied to game, They want to feel that HQ are working to satisfy their needs.
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Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me
The scripters will lose lots of valuable time to set it up... Also ... have you even played in rs4? Were you here? Stop shitting at everyone dude..
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Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me
Trust you for what? Do you want a database restart again? Do you want to start from 10k again? Do you want to play on un-supported gamemode?
Players left when they reset the players data on RS5, It will work for a week or two not more than this and everyone will go inactive again and they will start more topics about the activity of the server, I saw around 80 players vote on the Poll started by chase, Players are willing to play back but they want to see their needs applied to game, They want to feel that HQ are working to satisfy their needs.
i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.
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Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me
The scripters will lose lots of valuable time to set it up... Also ... have you even played in rs4? Were you here? Stop shitting at everyone dude..
cmon dude dont you really remember to your old _Evans family with a very small HQ on the El quebrados hills? Tom&Kostas Evans. i think this would help you to belive the fact that i played rs4 , much love my old friend :)
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i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.
What do you love about RS4?
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Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Yes, time, money, developers, and players. Then the situation will get even more toxic if/when RS4 fails and I will be the first one to publicly criticize you and call you an idiot and even demand that you are once and for all community banned. And if RS4 is somehow not a failure you'll be like "I TOLD YOU ALL SO! IDIOTS!" and it will still be toxic.
Imo, there's a lot at stake here, the server is dead and the players have little faith on the HQ, one wrong move and this is gone, to shit. I mean for me, it went to shit when Nathan posted that topic, but whatever, what do I know, I barely play here...
@Stivi yes, u r right. If someone abuses it, things get complex. I can only say though that we keep it simple and use the rod when some spoilt person tries to mess things up.
Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the people supporting RS4 (btw I'm all up for a week of RS4, no doubt, but never to see it as something longer and official, absolutely not.) in this topic have not played RS5. Maybe they play now, maybe they popped by back then, but at no point were they following the development of the server whatsoever. And to address your concerns, what is a complex script to you? What is a complex rule? Don't ask anyone about the rules, go read them and tell them to shove all those words up their asses. I can list admins and managers that have not the slightest idea of how some rules work because they don't know how the situation developed so that we had rules/scripts introduced, they know jack shit. Don't listen to them, go read them yourself, it's that simple. Btw a player compiled the rules list, HQ is just editing the post.
People also wanted blips removed, /area removed, certain metagaming elements are still there, a huge chunk of Argonath is still there, common sense isn't sadly.
A developer said "what's a complex script" and I don't see anyone telling him this and that. I wish you all remembered how it was back when we had pickpocket, wallets, cards, atm limits, 8 commands to buy a card, 12 for a wallet and 18 steps to put a card in a wallet. We spoke against it, it got changed.
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i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.
What do you love about RS4?
everything that we dont have in rs6
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i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.
What do you love about RS4?
everything that we dont have in rs6
Such as? Hotel storage? Jetpack? Combat Shotgun(Coming soon)? Or is it the annoying "GIVEN UP DO NOT SHOOT" text over a player's head ( that bugged most of the time)?
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i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.
What do you love about RS4?
everything that we dont have in rs6
Such as? Hotel storage? Jetpack? Combat Shotgun(Coming soon)? Or is it the annoying "GIVEN UP DO NOT SHOOT" text over a player's head ( that bugged most of the time)?
sorry but i dont know why are you starting discussions over here when you barely play this .
why not to give it a damn try ? that will cost nothing
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i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.
What do you love about RS4?
everything that we dont have in rs6
Such as? Hotel storage? Jetpack? Combat Shotgun(Coming soon)? Or is it the annoying "GIVEN UP DO NOT SHOOT" text over a player's head ( that bugged most of the time)?
sorry but i dont know why are you starting discussions over here when you barely play this .
why not to give it a damn try ? that will cost nothing
I answered that in the replies above, but you choose to ignore them and instead keep preaching RS4 without using any bit of logic.
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Stop believing that the issue of the SA:MP community is the scripts. Stop believing that additional scripts will change the current stale enviroment.
As Nathan nicely said once - "Stop putting lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig."
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Stivi baby, have you been drinking lately? What's up with you and your toxicity chat. Toxicity was driving the whole bus, discussions, arguments, in game, forums, it's a competition, who outplays who, as long as you dont flame someone it's all good. That's why it was so alive, something was always going on.
Imo, there's a lot at stake here, the server is dead and the players have little faith on the HQ, one wrong move and this is gone, to shit. I mean for me, it went to shit when Nathan posted that topic, but whatever, what
It went to shit in 2012 and it was a mess ever since. It took 7 years, 7 years, for load/store script, zillion small fixes, balance changes and after 7 years the script (apart from it being complex and annoying) is complete and playable. So there's absolutely nothing at stake.
Noone is forcing you to play RS4, it's a separate server and you're more than welcome to play with zero players on the offical one. We just want to have some good old fun for one last time.
Those 7 years should have been spent creating a program to transfer flat files to MySQL. Now we would have a RS4 server with super sonic speed. But i'll take what i can get.
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Stivi baby, have you been drinking lately?
I can't say that I haven't. Quite a lot actually.
What's up with you and your toxicity chat. Toxicity was driving the whole bus, discussions, arguments, in game, forums, it's a competition, who outplays who, as long as you dont flame someone it's all good. That's why it was so alive, something was always going on.
I don't even give a fuck about toxicity, I'm toxic myself, the problem is exactly that, it turns to flaming. I don't play because if I do someone will be like "hurr durr this and that". A recent example, I kept getting shit by most of SAPD for "refusing to RP" because of a temp ban that got revoked. Not a single living soul came to me and said that behavior isn't okay and the player will be dealt with, but instead, I was "butthurt over the internet" or whatever they tell themselves to sleep better at night. And because of this sort of behavior, I won't play unless certain people aren't IG, or if I see the people I play with IG. None of that has happened.
It went to shit in 2012 and it was a mess ever since. It took 7 years, 7 years, for load/store script, zillion small fixes, balance changes and after 7 years the script (apart from it being complex and annoying) is complete and playable. So there's absolutely nothing at stake.
Noone is forcing you to play RS4, it's a separate server and you're more than welcome to play with zero players on the offical one. We just want to have some good old fun for one last time.
Well yes it did go to shit then, but then again it was the players asking for RS5, no? So if we go back, then what's the fucking point? At least here we get some sort of development, and the script can be worked on by other devs, except FredericK, too. Oops.
Don't get me wrong, I would certainly play RS4 over RS5 for the limited amount of time I get to play games during a day, but if I go IG and have to deal with a bunch of fucking clowns, I won't do that. And I think that's the majority of the players, just look at Discord, everyone is playing a different game and not SA:MP. But that good old fun is over, a lot of players from RS4 are gone, they aren't even on the forums. So I don't think it will work the same way. I still have my _Luciano on that database, I'm all up for some fun, but it comes to an end and then we'll have two servers with 0 players. We can't revert back to 7 years ago, we'd have to use the rules we have now and the staff we have now. The staff alone is a reason I won't be enjoying RS4 lol
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Stivi baby, have you been drinking lately?
I can't say that I haven't. Quite a lot actually.
What's up with you and your toxicity chat. Toxicity was driving the whole bus, discussions, arguments, in game, forums, it's a competition, who outplays who, as long as you dont flame someone it's all good. That's why it was so alive, something was always going on.
I don't even give a fuck about toxicity, I'm toxic myself, the problem is exactly that, it turns to flaming. I don't play because if I do someone will be like "hurr durr this and that". A recent example, I kept getting shit by most of SAPD for "refusing to RP" because of a temp ban that got revoked. Not a single living soul came to me and said that behavior isn't okay and the player will be dealt with, but instead, I was "butthurt over the internet" or whatever they tell themselves to sleep better at night. And because of this sort of behavior, I won't play unless certain people aren't IG, or if I see the people I play with IG. None of that has happened.
It went to shit in 2012 and it was a mess ever since. It took 7 years, 7 years, for load/store script, zillion small fixes, balance changes and after 7 years the script (apart from it being complex and annoying) is complete and playable. So there's absolutely nothing at stake.
Noone is forcing you to play RS4, it's a separate server and you're more than welcome to play with zero players on the offical one. We just want to have some good old fun for one last time.
Well yes it did go to shit then, but then again it was the players asking for RS5, no? So if we go back, then what's the fucking point? At least here we get some sort of development, and the script can be worked on by other devs, except FredericK, too. Oops.
Don't get me wrong, I would certainly play RS4 over RS5 for the limited amount of time I get to play games during a day, but if I go IG and have to deal with a bunch of fucking clowns, I won't do that. And I think that's the majority of the players, just look at Discord, everyone is playing a different game and not SA:MP. But that good old fun is over, a lot of players from RS4 are gone, they aren't even on the forums. So I don't think it will work the same way. I still have my _Luciano on that database, I'm all up for some fun, but it comes to an end and then we'll have two servers with 0 players. We can't revert back to 7 years ago, we'd have to use the rules we have now and the staff we have now. The staff alone is a reason I won't be enjoying RS4 lol
There are no new rules since RS4. It's just some random made up shit that certain people forced onto certain people. I know atleast one/two that were invented to target me, one even dating back to RS4, it was even a thing back then. Every admin ever has had different view on every made up rule ever, some didnt even know they were made up just yesterday and they were always double standard.
I mean you can put double standard in server's name after all those years, but we have learnt to live with it. Just embrace it.
But it's not about admins, nor about the rules. A bot that can kick anyone that's hacking, glitching or spamming/flaming the chat will do.
People asked for RS5, not a full restart, not new made up rules, not annoying systems, not something that will take 7 years to complete. Either deliver good, finished, working product on the spot or stick to the one that's doing an amazing job already.
Toxicity turns into flaming when the side that starts flaming is desperate, has no come back or got straight up beat. I really enjoyed that, i really enjoyed ruining other people's childhoods.
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but it comes to an end and then we'll have two servers with 0 players.
So I guess that one server with 0 players is somewhat better than two? I cannot seem to even find a tiny bit of logic in this sentence.
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IC/OOC isn't forced on anybody, it was purely added as an experimental method as people wanted it.
Exactly sir. Why? Hq could definitely listen to people but based on the vision (not telling u how to run the show).
@Stivi yes, u r right. If someone abuses it, things get complex. I can only say though that we keep it simple and use the rod when some spoilt person tries to mess things up.
Oh please.. The vision is severely outdated if we wanted the server to die out years ago we would've stuck to every word of the vision.
If we cannot keep it simple and stick to the vision, there is no point being here. If I wanted complex rp, advanced scripts or a team which can't keep to the vision I would have well chosen another server by now. I have tried to make my point enough however you all may have various reasons to not agree to it. And I respect that :)
All the best!
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but it comes to an end and then we'll have two servers with 0 players.
So I guess that one server with 0 players is somewhat better than two? I cannot seem to even find a tiny bit of logic in this sentence.
I'd rather have a developer tbh..
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Please fucking bring the RS4 server up already. Stop delaying it before its too late.
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RS6 is fairly stable, works extremely well and with a little bit of time, is actually fairly easy especially with the great /help system.
We don't need RS4, and even a legacy server isn't necessary, but go ahead if it makes you happy. :neutral2:
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Everyone's got to blame something. So go ahead blame RS5/6 for the majority of the playerbase having less freetime. And support RS4 for no good reason that explains why we should not only move back and ressurect the past, but actually have someone dedicate time to re-create it.
And when that is complete let me see how many people will want to start from scratch once again.
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Please fucking bring the RS4 server up already. Stop delaying it before its too late.
the server hasn't been worked on in years, and if you were around you would know the server had some major security flaws, So until that is all worked out the server will not be open to the public.
We won't be running RS4 permanently but we will however run it for a month or so for those who never got to experience RS4 can have a look at how things used to be and from that we can gain some valuable feedback on what needs to change within RS6 to make the server more enjoyable.
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I'll preface this by saying I'm late to the party, didn't bother reading anything except for the first page, and my opinion probably means jack shit because I'm not even an active player. I'm just an old vet ranting.
Nathan and Cutt3r basically summed it up. RS4 was simple, light RP, and most of all it was fun. It wasn't like other RP servers -- one didn't have to write a 5 page character background to be whitelisted to play, one didn't need to have a second monitor with script commands on the side, one didn't need to drive around for 40 minutes just to find someone to speak to. As far as servers went, Argonath was "plug & play, take things at your own pace". And if one wanted to stay and become an actual member of the community, all one had to do was play for a week and know that the President was named Gandalf. Maybe it's the nostalgia talking, but RS4 Argonath was a simpler time. It fulfilled a unique niche in the SA:MP RP community.
Sure, some of the RS5 scripts are dope. The notoriety system was my favourite addition by far, at least for the brief period I was active again. It actually managed to flesh out a difference between criminals and civilians, instead of just the "white name / orange name" system that RS4 had. I also enjoyed the meth cooking, the money laundering, the new property, group and vehicle scripts. But the list of what RS5 ruined far surpasses the list of what it added.
Remember when one could just drive around, relax, and not be forced into anything?
Remember when just the idea of tazers and IC/OOC chat would you get ridiculed at best, and witch-hunted at worst?
Hell, remember when one could safely have a criminal roleplay session in-game without the FBI using footage from their 360° 8K 60FPS HDR microscopic pen cameras to sue one for half their shit on the fucking forums?
RS5 didn't just change scripts, it changed the entire feel of the server. It butchered the playerbase and it killed the server both figuratively and literally. It allowed a vocal minority to become the majority, which led to taking the entire thing into the direction we're at now. You can say "but SA:MP was dying" all you want, it won't make any of this less true. One moment we're at 200+ players, the other moment we can barely break 40. Ever since RS5, the server has been a poor caricature of its former self. An empty husk. No players, no Argonath vision, no soul.
With all this said, the glory days of RS4 will always be in the past, nothing can revive them. The community itself has changed and people have moved on. RS5 launch was legitimately the worst thing that ever happened to the server, and no matter how much it was "fixed" during the following years, one can't simply glue together something that broke into a million pieces. Part of me believes that RS6 is the natural and logical step forward, but another part of me believes it's just a re-package of the mistake that was RS5.
I'd vote for RS4 just because I'd actually be willing to check it out again and re-live what memories I have. I simply have no faith RS6, because I actually had faith in RS5 and got severely burned on its release.
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we will however run it for a month or so
WHEN!?!?!?!
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Do you always cry over RS4? RS6 is actually picking up again and people are playing here.
Seriously, you're just whining over something meant to stay in the past... a legacy server sounds okay but RS6 is dope, just invest a little time and hell, it's amazing.
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Playing devil's advocate here but it would be fun as hell to play on the original PEN1 script.. (I know it's never gonna happen, but it's what brought me to Argonath 12 years ago...)
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Please fucking bring the RS4 server up already. Stop delaying it before its too late.
Amen brother
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Please fucking bring the RS4 server up already. Stop delaying it before its too late.
Amen brother
AMEN!!
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Hi folks. We’re still working out the details on how and if we want to do this. We will make sure to keep you updated as well and in the know once we are ready to share. But don’t worry, we’re definitely hearing you out and will be ready to share soon.
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Vast majority of the community wants this. It was clear in the poll.
Yet your argonath fucking bullshit never stops. RS6 sucks balls and we all hate it. Too bad u spent hours making something we hate.
Bring RS4 in the summer vacations god damnit. You're ruining this opportunity cause of your ego
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Honestly either do it in a few days or don't. Make a fucking decision and tell us what it is
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Vast majority of the community wants this. It was clear in the poll.
Yet your argonath fucking bullshit never stops. RS6 sucks balls and we all hate it. Too bad u spent hours making something we hate.
Bring RS4 in the summer vacations god damnit. You're ruining this opportunity cause of your ego
Maybe a lot of people would like to play rs4 again a bit, but very little people i have heard that hate rs6.
So speak for yourself, not the whole community.
I know i am in minority but i waaay better prefer RS6 over RS4 any day.
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I am not against having RS4 server to play for memories, but not in a long term, maybe just to check it out for few hours..
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Oh uve not heard of people who hate RS6? U know why? Cause they all fucking left. That's why.
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Oh uve not heard of people who hate RS6? U know why? Cause they all fucking left. That's why.
Well tbh most of them left not because RS6 would have been bad or anything, but because they lost their stuff in acc wipe.
Anyway - im off of this conversation and topic as its pointless in my option. Do what you want, open rs4 if you needed, but let me enjoy and play rs6.
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Playing devil's advocate here but it would be fun as hell to play on the original PEN1 script.. (I know it's never gonna happen, but it's what brought me to Argonath 12 years ago...)
I thought I was the only one who remembered the PEN1-based RS1/RS2 scripts. It makes me feel old, real old.
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I've been gazing over this for a while now, and I do not believe RS4 is the solution. Yes, it was a great base of a server due it's simplicity, but the script itself was broken and most off all, unstable. And most of those 150-200 people online have moved along, or have a day to day job, an own company or perhaps a family.
While I have left Argonath over a year ago, I still hold memories dire of the moments I've shared here, especially in the SAPD (fyi, I'm banned due one of the packages installed on the SAPD forums, triggering my PC as a source of spam, while it's brand new, never spammed :v:). Not only has it improved my English a ton, it's given me friends I still talk with today. It's more then a server, it's about people, community. Argonath has made me partly who I am, as crap as that might be sometimes for those who have seen my darker side.
As much as I'd like to return to Argonath however, I see no reason to do so. Yes, the scripts are amazing and top edge, yet... The community isn't there and I have the feeling that communication is not fully transparant on both sides, from what I last saw.
Plenty of ideas and opinions were given during the last ARUN meeting, for instance.. Yet, no Division Leader was at said meeting. Neither did I have the impression much care were given to the logs, as ARUN was dismantled soon after.
I think if Argonath wishes to regain members, and win more... You'd be needed to open up fully to those who wish to care, and perhaps even have a chat with members who have left, as in their reason why. My PM and Discord is always open for discussion @Nathan if you desire so. I have had no PM regarding any form I could fill in, to give my opinion for instance... I know there was a post, but a PM goes directly to ones' E-mail, todays letter :).
I want to applaud everyone's effort though :app:, I respect it a lot and believe the Developers earn more respect then what they are currently getting.
RS4 is not the solution. Don't look back, but forwards. To a future, as grim as it might be.
Playing devil's advocate here but it would be fun as hell to play on the original PEN1 script.. (I know it's never gonna happen, but it's what brought me to Argonath 12 years ago...)
I thought I was the only one who remembered the PEN1-based RS1/RS2 scripts. It makes me feel old, real old.
Fits the avatar, Chase.
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Thanks for the response @Darxez.
After further examination, I wanted to provide an update to everyone here. I don't think the future of Argonath is anymore in going back two steps (back to RS4). I don't think anymore that the future is in three servers either. I now believe the future of SA:MP is in one server and one community who wants to grow, not shit on the progress made.
Through this whole experiment, I learned one thing: communication is key.
I worked with HQ and I want to essentially provide a feedback form on staff and HQ in general. This will help us analyze and fix the issue of "HQ" that most people keep pointing to. Keep a lookout for a survey coming out shortly.
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RS4 script was a mess, who made the rs4 so good were the players who used to log in and have fun with each other.
Argonath went down due the crisis between players vs players bullshit, the nonsense discussions, the shitty wars and excuses to dm your "enemies" ruined the gameplay of who used to have fun with their friends around the place.
Playerbase were too much worried about money and properties and missed somethings, when players started to have fun destroying the gameplay of each others it was the end of the PB of Argonath.
So bringing back rs4 its not the solution for the problems, bringing rs4 back it's throwing sand to new players eyes, destroying the hopes of who kept listening about RS4 stories and moments.
It's a lot better to keep rs4 in the past and from time to time ear some stories and moments of those times.
You can bring rs4 back, but you will not be capable to bring the admin team of rs4 back to the game neither the most active players during the RS4, so all you can do is remember RS4.
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This reply is what I was waiting for.
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RS4 script was a mess, who made the rs4 so good were the players who used to log in and have fun with each other.
So bringing back rs4 its not the solution for the problems, bringing rs4 back it's throwing sand to new players eyes, destroying the hopes of who kept listening about RS4 stories and moments.
Well said. Pretty much sums it up
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I worked with HQ and I want to essentially provide a feedback form on staff and HQ in general. This will help us analyze and fix the issue of "HQ" that most people keep pointing to. Keep a lookout for a survey coming out shortly.
Another survey, great. Next time we should make a survey but call it "feedback" and let people express themselves instead of questions about certain things.
What "HQ" should do is resign if they aren't capable of handling their duties, being role models and have the respect of the community. Not just HQ, any staff member. I remember a certain admin punishing people and after being told he was wrong he kept calling said people DMers and whatever the fuck he said when throwing a tantrum. As much hilarious as it was making fun of him, that's not something the players should see. When we see and repeat the same behavior, and are punished for it, players are left unpleased.
It's even more stupid that these things are overlooked. And that's why the server will die, you all fail to admit when (not if) you're wrong.
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RS4 script was a mess, who made the rs4 so good were the players who used to log in and have fun with each other.
Argonath went down due the crisis between players vs players bullshit, the nonsense discussions, the shitty wars and excuses to dm your "enemies" ruined the gameplay of who used to have fun with their friends around the place.
Playerbase were too much worried about money and properties and missed somethings, when players started to have fun destroying the gameplay of each others it was the end of the PB of Argonath.
So bringing back rs4 its not the solution for the problems, bringing rs4 back it's throwing sand to new players eyes, destroying the hopes of who kept listening about RS4 stories and moments.
It's a lot better to keep rs4 in the past and from time to time ear some stories and moments of those times.
You can bring rs4 back, but you will not be capable to bring the admin team of rs4 back to the game neither the most active players during the RS4, so all you can do is remember RS4.
I 100% agree, RS4 is not the solution. Every one I've met and talked about RS4 with only seemed to say good things about the playerbase, but I don't think that those players who left, will come back..
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Aight. Since management did the same thing again. Not listened to what the majority wanted because a few people with ranks feel different.
Good luck with the server.
I hope everyone enjoys the amazing new scripts with 3 players online.
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Aight. Since management did the same thing again. Not listened to what the majority wanted because a few people with ranks feel different.
Good luck with the server.
I hope everyone enjoys the amazing new scripts with 3 players online.
What do the players want?
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Aight. Since management did the same thing again. Not listened to what the majority wanted because a few people with ranks feel different.
Good luck with the server.
I hope everyone enjoys the amazing new scripts with 3 players online.
Are you for real still crying over RS4? Quit getting hung up over the past, especially when players themselves such as @Volcom have presented valid arguments to RS4.
Your mentality that HQ don't listen is bullshit. If you still have nothing left aside from "BRING BACK RS4 DO IT ALREADY WHEN" then just don't bother posting, it's not helping anyone.
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I want you to apologise and resign from your duties. After that, I would love it if you were still active on the server, we need some active players.
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I want you to apologise and resign from your duties. After that, I would love it if you were still active on the server, we need some active players.
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Players: stop overpromising and underdelivering
Nathan: "stop overpromising and underdelivering" got it. I will work with HQ to avoid this.
Players:
Nathan:
Hi folks. We’re still working out the details on how and if we want to do this. We will make sure to keep you updated as well and in the know once we are ready to share. But don’t worry, we’re definitely hearing you out and will be ready to share soon.
Players:
Nathan:
After further examination, I wanted to provide an update to everyone here. I don't think the future of Argonath is anymore in going back two steps (back to RS4). I don't think anymore that the future is in three servers either. I now believe the future of SA:MP is in one server and one community who wants to grow, not shit on the progress made.
Through this whole experiment, I learned one thing: communication is key.
I worked with HQ and I want to essentially provide a feedback form on staff and HQ in general. This will help us analyze and fix the issue of "HQ" that most people keep pointing to. Keep a lookout for a survey coming out shortly.
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Thank you for your valuable input.