Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP General => Topic started by: Norrage on August 21, 2019, 10:36:46 pm
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Together with Mac we are currently investigating if there is support for a governor system inside Liberty City. It's exact tasks would be described later on but we are seeking for support first. Let us know what you think of this idea! Also, if you have some cool suggestions we can use if the idea proceeds then please let us know in this topic.
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It would be spectacular to see all of the Government & Services positions filled in Liberty City, so people can communicate better with government and achieve a cleaner/more stable environment, together.
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It would be spectacular to see all of the Government & Services positions filled in Liberty City, so people can communicate better with government and achieve a cleaner/more stable environment, together.
Yoooo get your ass ingame instead of replying on all damn ideas :lol:
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It would be spectacular to see all of the Government & Services positions filled in Liberty City, so people can communicate better with government and achieve a cleaner/more stable environment, together.
Yoooo get your ass ingame instead of replying on all damn ideas :lol:
Do I really want to? yes. But can I? no. Will I? Abso-fricking-lutely. (I just realized that I am listening to some GOT soundtracks now so I am getting emotional haha)
I truly enjoy replying to everything on forums these days.. probably experiencing nostalgia and getting back some lovely memories that I didn't appreciate back then.
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It would be spectacular to see all of the Government & Services positions filled in Liberty City, so people can communicate better with government and achieve a cleaner/more stable environment, together.
That's actually a good idea, but the problem is that how can we get suitable people for all of those positions?
Ministries..etc So for now I think we can start off with governor one and his staff. (Governor Assistant, Office Secretary..etc) and if everything worked fine, I am sure HQ will bring those other positions live.
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Supported. why not?
this is not the right place to suggest an idea @Board Moderator @Twenty,
this topic should be moved to Idea and Suggestion board (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?board=195.0)
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Tandtrollet is already Governor :)
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Tandtrollet is already Governor :)
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(https://i.imgur.com/zZHmHRH.png)
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It would be spectacular to see all of the Government & Services positions filled in Liberty City, so people can communicate better with government and achieve a cleaner/more stable environment, together.
That's actually a good idea, but the problem is that how can we get suitable people for all of those positions?
Elections, just like real life. So people can vote/nominate for the next governor. But we are few active players right now so electing someone as a secretary to the governor is not that necessary.
Edit: Well it depends.
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Supported
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6 players voted for "no" until now. Please, let the HQ know your input here and why you don't wish to see this idea in the server.
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I remember sometime ago me and Mac were speaking about this idea and we were so hyped, so yeah for sure I'm supporting it and also what I would love to see
is to make use of the tax earnings in game with some goverment investments .
Based on the bank of the goverment they could taking decisions for adding new state cars
and with the latest rumors about working on map objects it could be roleplayed through goverment and be presented in slow phase as an investment of Argonath state.
I always though that server updates can be way more interesting just if we put a small micro-dose of roleplay into them. and having goverment possitions active is perfect
for this job, hope to see this feature soon with or without my suggestion! ;)
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As Mac said, if you voted 'No' please forward me a message with the reason you think the idea shouldn't continue :).
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I support the idea, but also consider the lack of active players instead.
There shouldn't be many government positions, as we need normal citizens to be active too.
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What is the point of introducing this system? Does it give a better experience in-game? Because I don't care much about the forums, same goes to the new players.
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Considering the low activity of this server and even members of the administration/management, I hardly see this doing any actual good to the server. This isn't much of a priority at the moment, quite frankly, nor is there a need for such a system at this stage.
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What is the point of introducing this system? Does it give a better experience in-game? Because I don't care much about the forums, same goes to the new players.
It gives a better experience in-game yes. It promotes more roleplay scenarios as well.
Political parties have to roleplay their best and host political roleplay scenarios all the time to get the trust of HQ for the position.
After the position is filled, governor should do interviews IG to fill his assistants (Governor Assistant for example and Secretary) after that, he and his staff should host In-game meetings with other organizations. (LCPD, LCFD, EMS, FBI, NOOSE..etc)
Also, LCPD, NOOSE and FBI securing the governor in those meetings, public conference..etc
More and more roleplay scenarios can be done only if the right person is in the right place. who is not lazy to work or roleplay.
Considering the low activity of this server and even members of the administration/management, I hardly see this doing any actual good to the server. This isn't much of a priority at the moment, quite frankly, nor is there a need for such a system at this stage.
If we are going to say this, each time we want to make something then we will never do it.
What is the priority now? It's to convert the server to LUA one, and James is already doing that.
Rest of players, shall they leave the server die? because we are waiting for it to be converted? No..Those are attempts to revive the server back by roleplay events and daily scenarios rather than DD events and such.
The question is
Will players be interested in this position and doing their best to get it? Will they roleplay with that or not?
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:facepalm:
Considering the low activity of this server and even members of the administration/management, I hardly see this doing any actual good to the server. This isn't much of a priority at the moment, quite frankly, nor is there a need for such a system at this stage.
If we are going to say this, each time we want to make something then we will never do it.
Perhaps if you'd wait for the server to actually pick up and focus on the true priorities such as getting FDLC, LCPD and NOOSE truly alive as they once were in the past, as well as the actual playercount, this would fit well into the server.
At this stage, it's just not going to work. You're just doing what SA:MP is doing in the hopes it'll make IV:MP come to life, while SA:MP already has a playercount that's on the rise that allows for a Governor system to fit in.
Focus on real priorities first.
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:facepalm:
Considering the low activity of this server and even members of the administration/management, I hardly see this doing any actual good to the server. This isn't much of a priority at the moment, quite frankly, nor is there a need for such a system at this stage.
If we are going to say this, each time we want to make something then we will never do it.
Perhaps if you'd wait for the server to actually pick up and focus on the true priorities such as getting FDLC, LCPD and NOOSE truly alive as they once were in the past, as well as the actual playercount, this would fit well into the server.
FD has always been a side-job, people rarely roleplay FD, even in the past there weren't FD roleplays and the server still had a stable player base(there are low amount of players who roleplay fd and many not due to interest, people don't have fun rping as a fire fighter.). I don't think LCPD, FBI or NOOSE are the issues. I have seen all the three in-game, they play for a few minutes and then leave because the server is empty and they have nothing to do. So
At this stage, it's just not going to work. You're just doing what SA:MP is doing in the hopes it'll make IV:MP come to life, while SA:MP already has a playercount that's on the rise that allows for a Governor system to fit in.
In what way IVMP copied samp? Stop speaking nonsense. IVMP added metagaming and power gaming rules while samp doesn't. Governor should be implemented as the server moved from freeroam/RP server to a proper roleplay server. Either way, it's not SAMP who created the "governor" thing first, it's been on other servers from a long time, would that mean SAMP copied other servers to gain players?
Focus on real priorities first.
Please explain what are the "real priorities" Because what I saw in your message was no any helpful solutions other than accusing of stealing content from other servers which is not true.
I believe IVMP needs a little fix on the script since you have added power gaming and metagaming rules. Let me list my suggestions.
@mohammedk I believe this will bring the old players back, I can assure if those are added, many players will shin back!
Wait 7 days to get passport and driving license?
This is what caused many new players to leave, to be honest, waiting 7 days just for a passport sounds ridiculous to me. At least make it 24 hours in-game, 24 hours is too much actually, 3/5 hours play time in-game should be alright but oh well, 7 days? this should be edited and updated. Are we gonna keep players for 7 days just gain their passport and then buy vehicles and houses? there is no new player who will wait, only rarely to be honest. That is a fact, many will leave.
MDC
Adding MDC would be a interesting to step towards the server. Make it like a dialog (just like the trucker mission when you pick up cargo). Remove the orange color from the suspects. I also like the MDC to be completely roleplayish for example (not using players ID that samp currently have which is horrible and power gaming and metagaming as well) MDC should include the following "Vehicle plate(in vehicle plate, it would show the owner of the vehicle and the model), Name Search (in name search it, it would show player's driving license valid and his current properties). BOLO (If there is a lost suspect, set up BOLO) it should be saved in the date base, and should be valid for one or two (up to LCPD) day, if 2 days passed, BOLO should be removed. Ticket history shows all the player's fine.
SUSPECTS
Since MG and PG rules were added, I'll say it again. Remove the orange color from the suspect. Remove /crime command, it's useless and not roleplayish.
MASKS
Add masks where it covers the player's identity, (player name tag) for example, "Mask_1111" command should be /mask to wear and unwear.
Drugs
Many people don't like the current drug and weed system, it's pretty not roleplayish and has no purpose in the server honestly. It should BE HARD for criminals to deal with drugs and not just buy some shit from a store and plant it at outlook and grind lol. Drug dealing should be more realistic, such as players need to buy drug house to plant weed instead in the middle of a park. Add mappings and interiors for drug houses. Players will then usually sell it to players and it will cause interactions between them. Again, the purpose of drugs should be hard and roleplayish as well as profitable and not grinding weeds. THIS does not mean make millions of drug house for sale, the idea of it is for players to drug deal and roleplay together! Meaning, make around 5/10/15 drug house for sale.
FRISK/SEIZE
Add these commands to the police officers because all of the players be like */me plants weed and take it* *gets caught by a cop, cop frisks him* */do anything would I find* *criminal response /do No* that's what makes it unrealistic and boring.
Ability to add more than one charge
Police Officers should be able to add more than one charges as the criminal can committees more than one crime, and the more crime the suspect has, the more jail time he gets.
Prison roleplay
Increase the timer at the prison for at least 10 minutes, so players interact with each other at prison and roleplay, I don't know if you're currently able to /jail in prison, but should be added.
Remove /GU
/GU absolutely makes 0 sense in my opinion and is not RPish. Police Officers should be able to cuff suspects who put their hands up without needing to /gu. Instead of freezing the player when they /gu, add /handsup and cops should rp cuffing them then /cuff id, the player then gets cuffed (would be amazing if we handcuffs visible or if the player puts his hands behind his back) This will prevent suspects to be frozen when they write /handsup and can cancel the animation any time.
Regarding groups and faction vehicles
This is very very, perhaps the most important things that should be added in my opinion. Adding the "Recognized group" in ivmp. Why would it be helpful? Groups play a huge role in the server, activity side and rolepaly side. Recognized groups should get in-game faction script, such as groups able to put their faction vehicles and hqs and all the members of the group will be able to use the items. This will bring more fun to the criminal side as well. Again, it should be earned, and worked hard for the recognized group. It will motivate the group to do something rather than stupid evading ts RP and some bank robbery shit. However, I'm against players with low English standards to create groups.
Again, IV/EFLC GTA 5 is not the problem, there are many players who play gta 4/eflc. I know this sound too much, but oh well it's worth it, It's going to be interesting and roleplayish community other than money grinding boring "showing off his vehicles at mgs" community. We need to entertain ourselves before entertaining others/newplayers, being silent and knowing that the server gamemode is boring and still remain silent, not suggesting ideas will kill the server more :). I believe most of the players agree with me, we want something new, we're bored! DD event, ROLEPLAY event, this won't solve the player base everyone knows it, it is a fact!, stop wasting your time with these constantly same boring events and change the server!
@Twenty @James Conway
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FD has always been a side-job, people rarely roleplay FD, even in the past there weren't FD roleplays and the server still had a stable player base(there are low amount of players who roleplay fd and many not due to interest, people don't have fun rping as a fire fighter.). I don't think LCPD, FBI or NOOSE are the issues. I have seen all the three in-game, they play for a few minutes and then leave because the server is empty and they have nothing to do. So
Then that's the wrong mentality. Perhaps if people were to really start going in-game and interacting with one another as well as the state police rather than just grinding (yeah even some members of the HQ of this community agree regarding grinding) then there'd be a reason for the PD to be in-game.
Even if FD is a side-job, there's no reason you can't have fun roleplaying. I had a lot of fun roleplaying as a Captain of the FDLC's Airport Division, by actually interacting at missions instead of just going for fucking money as almost everyone does.
In what way IVMP copied samp? Stop speaking nonsense. IVMP added metagaming and power gaming rules while samp doesn't. Governor should be implemented as the server moved from freeroam/RP server to a proper roleplay server. Either way, it's not SAMP who created the "governor" thing first, it's been on other servers from a long time, would that mean SAMP copied other servers to gain players?
IV:MP is copying SA:MP here through their proposition of a Governor system's integration out of desperation in the hopes that it'll increase the player count.
Please explain what are the "real priorities" Because what I saw in your message was no any elpful solutions other than accusing of stealing content from other servers which is not true.
How about awaiting a proper re-coding of the IV server in LUA so that James Conway can actually add some of the suggestions in the ideas board which may attract players? Give it some time and await a stable player count of people who want to roleplay prior to proposals of roleplay-based governmental integrations such as this? Think about it.
Because what I saw in your message was no any helpful solutions other than accusing of stealing content from other servers which is not true.
Oh, please. First the Governor idea, and now I see suggestions regarding the prison, which are clearly derived from the SA:MP's Department of Corrections.
Quite frankly, you're just talking out of your arse.
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IV:MP is copying SA:MP here through their proposition of a Governor system's integration out of desperation in the hopes that it'll increase the player count.
Let me be clear that the idea of our government proposal isn't the same as the SA:MP proposal is. I would not call it a desperation but we were simply polling if there is support for such system. Our motives were about implementing a system for people to become active and roleplay yes, but it was never a desperation. Don't be too hasty in your conclusions please.
Oh, please. First the Governor idea, and now I see suggestions regarding the prison, which are clearly derived from the SA:MP's Department of Corrections.
So if an idea has been tried on another server it is not allowed to try the same idea on another server within the same community?
Furthermore,
Focus on real priorities first.
Those real priorities are what in your eyes?
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Also, remember we are all in the same community. I don't see it is a problem if we liked an idea and wanted to take it to another server in the same community that may help in playerbase of the server.
Then the idea is not the same exact as SAMP's one. There are some changes to it.
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Also, remember we are all in the same community. I don't see it is a problem if we liked an idea and wanted to take it to another server in the same community that may help in playerbase of the server.
Then the idea is not the same exact as SAMP's one. There are some changes to it.
Fully agree.
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I support this.
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IV:MP is copying SA:MP here through their proposition of a Governor system's integration out of desperation in the hopes that it'll increase the player count.
Also this governor idea existed already for a long time, the last time it was mentioned was in February 3rd 2017 by Mihail. Might as well go back to 2012 with this topic http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=86424.0. :D
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Political parties were made in 2017 suggesting this idea itself.
Atleast mine was. Idk about the copy.
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I think this idea will encourage more roleplay to happen on this server, as well as promoting a new kind of one.
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IV:MP is copying SA:MP here through their proposition of a Governor system's integration out of desperation in the hopes that it'll increase the player count.
Let me be clear that the idea of our government proposal isn't the same as the SA:MP proposal is. I would not call it a desperation but we were simply polling if there is support for such system. Our motives were about implementing a system for people to become active and roleplay yes, but it was never a desperation. Don't be too hasty in your conclusions please.
Oh, please. First the Governor idea, and now I see suggestions regarding the prison, which are clearly derived from the SA:MP's Department of Corrections.
So if an idea has been tried on another server it is not allowed to try the same idea on another server within the same community?
Furthermore,
Focus on real priorities first.
Those real priorities are what in your eyes?
The real priorities in my eyes are supporting the additions to the server that have been suggested in the Ideas board. James is recoding the server in LUA, and implementation of new features is one priority as well as raising the activity of organizations such as EMS (which I have literally never seen since 2017-18), FDLC, LCPD, NOOSE, and FBI.
I'm not saying that you CAN'T implement something from another server, but why not come up with an idea new to IV:MP specifically? Just try and be more unique.
I otherwise get what you're saying :)
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The real priorities in my eyes are supporting the additions to the server that have been suggested in the Ideas board.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=128279.0
Talk less, do more.