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GTA:VC => Vice City - City Hall => VC:MP - Vice City Multiplayer => VC:MP Courts => Topic started by: Nylez on September 19, 2019, 11:11:50 am

Title: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Nylez on September 19, 2019, 11:11:50 am: Your honor,

Vice City is a city with a high level of criminal activity, and VCPD does a lot to prevent the criminals from doing so, but I believe the state is partially responsible for these evil actions!

Being a criminal is so much more tempting than being a legal citizen if you like money, that is sadly how it is nowadays. Tax is so high because being a criminal is so much more tempting, the amounts of illegal money shoot through the roof!

So what can we do?

I would like to start a petition that lowers the value of Ogras and lowers the value of vehicles being available to smuggle, which would then follow by a severe lowering of the tax.

We have sadly created a circle where people do illegal activities, deposit these illegal dollars, pay their high tax and then feel like they need to do more illegal activities because the state is robbing them! While THEY are the criminals!

If we lower the amount of income that's made with illegal activities, criminals are less eager to do them, meaning there will be less criminal activities and therefore less illegal money, allowing us to drop the tax as well! Legal businessmen will also appreciate this!

Therefore would I, Nylez Straccione, like to start a petition to drop Ogra income with 50%, car smuggling income with 50% and therefore also drop the tax with 50%!

We need to stop this vicious circle of criminal activities that is happening and also stop destroying the income of legal businessmen because of these activities!

Write down below whether or not you agree with these terms and preferably with a brief explanation as to why, or why not!

Thank you all for your time.

Signed,

Nylez Straccione

(https://i.imgur.com/Q3NtNVj.png)
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: JackDockz on September 19, 2019, 01:35:04 pm: I'm eager to know how can the government control prices of the black market? I'm pretty sure those scum don't follow the government's orders.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Klaus on September 19, 2019, 02:33:08 pm: I agree with Jack, how the heck are the goverent meant to control such prices? It not the government who are paying these criminals...

The prices of Ogra meat is based on the demand and other factors such the steady decline of Ogras around Vice City. The only way to battle this is to help report these poachers as well as stop eating it.

On the matter of illegal car exports, how are the government meant to control such market?
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Nylez on September 19, 2019, 05:02:38 pm: It is a matter of supply and demand.

If I can rally up enough people to sign this petition and therefore have enough people agreeing with the fact that we need to bring the illegal activities to a minimum together as a group. Maybe then finally the government will realize they need to act way more strict when it comes to Ogra fishing and vehicle smuggling.

Blocking communications from outside so import/export is limited, stricter area patrolling in Viceport, closer looking on activities in the ocean, severely punish and close businesses selling anything connected to Ogra meat, and so on.

As long as there are people interested in these kinda products, these products will be selling at these high prices. When the government steps in and makes sure the supply goes way higher than the demands are, the prices will drop.

And when the prices drop, the supply will drop as people won't earn as much from it.
So far I've only seen complaints as to HOW I intend to manage it, which is a part of the entire problem.

If you were a lawful citizen or a member of the government, you'd immediately respond positively and try to put this criminal world to a halt.

Stop thinking that this world is like it should be! It is a mess that needs to be stopped!
Stand up for yourselves and realize that you must do what's right!

Let's change the world!

Forbidden pleasures alone are loved immoderately; when lawful, they do not excite desire.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Maddy on September 27, 2019, 11:01:58 am: Illegal activities such as fishing ogras and car smuggling are considered to be illegal for a reason.
The black money garnered from this is being converted to white by the carelessness of bankers who accept huge amounts of deposits without even getting suspicions.

The FBI as well as VCPD have been trying to stop these smugglers and ogra fishers but unfortunately, both FBI and VCPD is very understaffed at the moment. The number of criminals outnumber the number of on-duty cops.
Whenever the officers are not engaged in other situations, they are always advised to patrol Vice Port and the ocean.
We have tried to recruit but again, unfortunately, no one is interested to join the PD to help bring these people to justice.

In your initial statement, you say lowering prices of ogras and that of vehicles will help. If in fact that could be done, the government would have done it a long time ago.
These sort of dealers are under the radar and have prices of their own. Lowering taxes will most definitely encourage people to engage in making money illegally and turning it white just by walking in a bank.

Dropping prices of ogras and illegal vehicle smuggling isn't going to lower tax, the government would be happy that much lesser black money is going to be circulated.

Instead of ranting about lowering taxes, a rant about a payroll raise for government related work would make people inclined to make money legally rather than the bad way. The government could increase wages for VCPA workers or junkyard workers.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Kowalski. on October 24, 2019, 12:53:58 am: Greetings from the State Police Detective Bureau,

I have to applaud you on raising this issue and actually talking about it, thank you! I can tell you though that the State Police, both marked and unmarked, will be on higher patrol in the Vice Port areas.

What the FBI Special Agent has said below is correct, we are indeed understaffed. There is unfortunately so much we can do at this stage, but we will be doing what is possible from our end.

I will personally ensure that our men are working at maximum efficiency and that the State Police and its Detective Bureau are functioning exactly as they should through means of motivation and hard work.

Thank you,
Police Detective Inspector Kowalski

(OOC note: Before you mention my recent five weeks or more of inactivity, I was on reported leave for a vacation)
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: SamirM on November 28, 2019, 07:02:58 pm: tbh we might aswell do another server restart
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Lonewolf on November 28, 2019, 07:35:51 pm: :eek:
Quote from: SamirM on November 28, 2019, 07:02:58 pm
tbh we might aswell do another server restart
((Everybody RP till Samir cuts the chain, good job))
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: STALKER41 on November 28, 2019, 07:38:36 pm: I get your point Nylez, but is the situation so critical and dire that this petition must be carried out? It looks more like a measure to cripple illegal activity due to the fact that the Vice City Police Department lack the manpower as well as initiative to stop illegal ogra fishing and car smuggling. I believe even civilians who care for this State could do the same aforementioned initiative. I'd like to remind how many raids and court cases have been successfully carried out against people that conduct such activities. The results of both are quite visible: the criminals who have been caught red-handed have been scared or financially crippled to the point they will have a hard time to recover or have gone into hiding for an extended period of time.

The measure is quite drastic, I understand where it's coming from, but I believe it can be easily taken care of if the people themselves try to do something about this, namely the primary institution, provided to us by our country's administration, that is suited for this kind of problem - the VCPD.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Kowalski. on December 13, 2019, 11:01:05 am: The situation's severity rate is irrelevant, it's against the law either way, and this petition seems to me like an outreach to work upon this. Other than the problem of making this work, I do agree with it and support the initiative and the concept.

Quote from: STALKER41 on November 28, 2019, 07:38:36 pm
The measure is quite drastic, I understand where it's coming from, but I believe it can be easily taken care of if the people themselves try to do something about this, namely the primary institution, provided to us by our country's administration, that is suited for this kind of problem - the VCPD.

Unfortunately, as previously mentioned, the State Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are severely understaffed. This makes it difficult to combat this sort of problem, and due to the high criminality rate in the city, I don't see a majority actually working on incorporating this.

You need to understand that there is only so much that can be done under the circumstances, and that we're doing what is possible with our current staff count and our resources.

(OOC: Yes, quite a bump, but its an active petition so whatever :D)
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: SamirM on December 16, 2019, 09:51:18 am: Quote from: STALKER41 on November 28, 2019, 07:38:36 pm
the criminals who have been caught red-handed have been scared or financially crippled to the point they will have a hard time to recover or have gone into hiding for an extended period of time.
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no criminal is dumb enough to fish ogras with a million cops in sight (atleast without a deterrent)
those who have been caught will only want to fill the financial gap
of course, indeed, they'll be able to do that with pizza boy ;)
when the server is empty, the only worry I have is for the Ogras to start jumping out of the sea and beating me with it's fins

I hate it when actual server issues are addressed in a RP manner (I worded myself very badly here)
let me take an example to show you what I'm talking about
I once complained about the high tax rate. the admins rebutted with ''high level of crime''

love, I don't see anybody walking the streets casually attempting to do not any crime at all
that's the job of the imagined people of the city who unlike us don't have a real life and real worries and responsibilites and who simply have the time and patience and point to be doing this shit

obviously there's a high level of crime when you are considering the ''server population'', Vice City can't be imagined with a population of about 200 people (minimum, registered users, real number is prolly larger than that), with a large % of them going ''offline''
all in all, the ''server'' part of the population is pretty much hardline criminals, soft criminals or the police. There's no in-between.
there's literally no fun in playing a regular-ass citizen, I wouldn't log on if that was my only thing to do

you might argue we have people like Dani who do the odd jobs like pizzaboy
indeed, he hasn't killed anybody, hasn't smuggled cars, hasn't done smuggle operations, or hasn't done any criminal RP which is pretty much the bread and butter of this server, and maybe he's cop idk haven't checked I'll be back in January to no-life the shit out of this

another example is right here, Nylez asked a question regarding the server and has offered a solution, but apparently you can't access the script because irl people can't change ogra prices
then again, this is a dumb argument due to the fact that this was asked in a RP manner
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Huntsman on December 30, 2019, 10:37:51 pm: I never thought I'd be agreeing with Samir, but I am. This is not a roleplay problem, let's not treat it as such.

Just look at the server and the way it is built - it is constructed for only three kinds of roles, as Samir mentioned - hardcore criminals, casual criminals and the police. There is no in between like SAMP used to have, where the formerly large player base allowed for interesting civilian groups to be opened and roleplays to happen. In fact, there are no "civilians" in VCMP. The most fun part of the server is to either be a hardcore criminal or a cop, because that's where the most fun script support is. You're proposing a soluton to a problem that is not really a problem. If you want a change like that, you need to reconstruct the way server works from the ground up, including some radical rule changes.

I think this is proven by the fact that the moment the police force has a hindering activity, server activity drops drastically, because since everyone are in one way or another criminals, they lose the challenge aspect of the game and it becomes boring. Even the few active/semi-active cops that are left are often off duty, which is contributing to the problem.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: SamirM on January 04, 2020, 12:22:00 am: Quote from: Huntsman on December 30, 2019, 10:37:51 pm
I never thought I'd be agreeing with Samir, but I am.

I'd like to go off-topic for a quick second and just ask you people something

Could you please stop treating me like an idiot?
I guess you could say my reputation is in the gutter or many of the hardliners hate me (because of the stubborn people they can be) but I'm just going to ask you guys nicely to please be alright to me and forget the past (if you think I was a dickhead before, in which in some honesty I was, but we're going to get nowhere with this kind of argument)

When I came back 4 days ago on new year's eve, since then I haven't been rude or shit to anybody undeserving

I have been even trying to be nice to you personally Huntsman, like in your ''How are ya's'' post in vain hopes of trying to establish a normal friendship

Please cut out the behavior of you treating me like a dumbass, you guys know what I'm talking about

Anyways, thanks for reading this, thanks in advance for understanding and let's not go back to this topic again. :)

I also have to give apologies to the administration for bringing up this topic in the middle of a serious debate, but I thought this'd be a good opportunity.

Continue the banter about the economy now, let's go :)
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Huntsman on January 04, 2020, 06:56:52 pm: Quote from: SamirM on January 04, 2020, 12:22:00 am
Quote from: Huntsman on December 30, 2019, 10:37:51 pm
I never thought I'd be agreeing with Samir, but I am.

I'd like to go off-topic for a quick second and just ask you people something

Could you please stop treating me like an idiot?
I guess you could say my reputation is in the gutter or many of the hardliners hate me (because of the stubborn people they can be) but I'm just going to ask you guys nicely to please be alright to me and forget the past (if you think I was a dickhead before, in which in some honesty I was, but we're going to get nowhere with this kind of argument)

When I came back 4 days ago on new year's eve, since then I haven't been rude or shit to anybody undeserving

I have been even trying to be nice to you personally Huntsman, like in your ''How are ya's'' post in vain hopes of trying to establish a normal friendship

Please cut out the behavior of you treating me like a dumbass, you guys know what I'm talking about

Anyways, thanks for reading this, thanks in advance for understanding and let's not go back to this topic again. :)

I also have to give apologies to the administration for bringing up this topic in the middle of a serious debate, but I thought this'd be a good opportunity.

Continue the banter about the economy now, let's go :)

Well you've spent years trying to present yourself as an idiot by being a literal troll in and outside the game. People don't just change opinion on you overnight. I learned that the hard way.

Anyhow, I was not implying anything with that message. I simply meant that we often disagree and that it's surprising I end up agreeing with you.

Anyhow, off-topic off.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am: Alright so, I wanted to make a similar topic such as this on here with pretty much the same headline, although I think this can be achieved differently.

I am sorry if this explanation is lackluster; I do not know a different way to explain it.

I think money shouldn't be pulled out of the server's ass. Money is literally being spawned in through police job, ogra market, vehicle smuggles (and a lot of fucking money from it), and so on.

I think we should have a literal economy, instead of money being spawned out of the middle of nowhere when someone brings Kessu's Banshee to the crane.

I think we should put this damn tax money to use. I think there should be economy debt, with it crashing and going up overtime. Tax money (and fucking big tax money we already accumulated) should NOT evaporate in thin air because hurr durr balance (I don't actually know what the fuck there is to balance, people will have ridiculous bank balances any way you slice it, this simply increases crime, this is the same point Nylez addressed in OP.

What crime, love, what crime? ''High crime rate'' is a statistic pulled out of your hairy asshole. As I said before, if the entire server population counts as criminals those who aren't cops, then in that case we can also say that the population of Vice City is usually 7-15, AT 7 AM - 15 PM, but mostly at night it's a ghost town because they are ''offline'', and some ''registered'' users are ''banned'' by ''admins''. Those civilians who are perfectly normal are as I said before the imagined people of Vice City, which help because they are in our imagination and have a purpose. (trainwreck of a sentence, I know)

Admins set the tax rate to a fucking absurd 30% due to the fact that they're trolling and at the same time don't take any shit from anybody. Please, more than a quarter goes to the bank? Are you insane?

And that's the thing; admins don't want to simulate economies and that shit because they are administrators. They administrate the server. They can't possibly give a fuck, as we will play on the server no matter what, meaning there's no urge or rush to do anything. Some admins literally (and I mean literally) admitted they don't give a fuck about managing the economy properly, and there won't be a government body anytime soon. The admins are the closest to that, followed by the police heads (their announcements are pretty much state announcements), and then the influential people (aka those who own the 3 ammunations, please don't tell me enormous power doesn't come from the fact you are literally the only source of weapons, and weapon prices are at your mercy? Oh I get 450 AK after a smuggle operation? Ooh, good job, ima sell it for a whopping price of $1600 dollars! Yee that'll keep me running for like a fucking hour of playing at the server

Once had an unstated admin argue ''you know why the payphone price is $20? because you criminals are big bad and you create big sad of economiee waah salt salt cry cry and cry''
I never cringed so hard in my life, do you seriously expect me to roam around the server and boringly interact with people legally, when literally not even a single soul is doing that? You are out of your mind. Alright, that may be too harsh, yes there's script support for pizzaboy, but eveybody who's not a cop (Stalker, Aky, Klaus :( for example) is either a casual criminal (Kessu, Nylez for example) or a hardline criminal (Martino, me, Alarba, Affanster, Han, Amal for example)

(Also, by the way, with the ''admins being lazy'' statement I am not denying in any way that the scripters aren't doing a good job, this is unarguably the best script in VCMP, and the most polished. Just look at the fucking smuggling yacht script! What I'm essentially stating is that the admins can't give less of a fuck how the economy runs down here, and use /settax as their ultimate savior to this problem)

This reconstruction of the economy I mentioned (having money circle around) will also help combat moneycheating in a way.

TL:DR stop being lazy fucks and have money circle around instead of spawning it from the server's asshole, thx
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Kessu on January 05, 2020, 02:40:32 pm: Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
Admins set the tax rate to a fucking absurd 30% due to the fact that they're trolling and at the same time don't take any shit from anybody. Please, more than a quarter goes to the bank? Are you insane?
Both in Finland and UK, which happen to be mine and Klaus' home countries, people can be taxed 20 to 40% out of their salary.

You're getting off easy that we decided to apply a 30% cap on the tax. As for the trolling part... :hah:

Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
And that's the thing; admins don't want to simulate economies and that shit because they are administrators.
You are correct, admins do not simulate economy nor do they control it.

Me, Klaus and the others in the development team control how much money circulates in the server and how fast you should earn it. Most admins have never had anything to do with the economy side of the server on the development side.

Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
(aka those who own the 3 ammunations, please don't tell me enormous power doesn't come from the fact you are literally the only source of weapons, and weapon prices are at your mercy?

Congratulations, you have grasped a core feature of the server which is running a business. Ammunations are the most profitable businesses and they control the legal ways to obtain weapons, as it always has been. You're just salty you're not one of those people who did the work to have an ammunation in the first place.

Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
a casual criminal (Kessu, Nylez for example) or a hardline criminal (Martino, me, Alarba, Affanster, Han, Amal for example)
A hardcore criminal does not call the cops on himself. A hardcore criminal is the invisible one, that you most often don't even know is doing crimes, because they do not want to attract police. But each to their own - I would like to see you as a hardcore criminal do something in the server that doesn't involve calling the cops on yourself for imaginary kidnapping :hah:

Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
TL:DR stop being lazy fucks and have money circle around instead of spawning it from the server's asshole, thx

Said by the guy who barely ever plays and knows nothing of how we vision the server to be.

I edited your posts to remove the font you had set because it was total garbage font.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Agent002 on January 05, 2020, 03:01:00 pm: Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
What crime, love, what crime?
If you fail to see the crime rate, you shouldn't even be here at all.

Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
and then the influential people (aka those who own the 3 ammunations, please don't tell me enormous power doesn't come from the fact you are literally the only source of weapons
It's called market. It's a monopoly, and nothing is going to change that.

Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
I never cringed so hard in my life, do you seriously expect me to roam around the server and boringly interact with people legally, when literally not even a single soul is doing that? You are out of your mind.
I can testify myself that I have done many legal roleplays before. The latest (about 1-2 months ago, admittedly) was with Stalker, who can testify the roleplay between me and him at Robina's.

Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
Alright, that may be too harsh, yes there's script support for pizzaboy, but eveybody who's not a cop (Stalker, Aky, Klaus :( for example) is either a casual criminal (Kessu, Nylez for example) or a hardline criminal (Martino, me, Alarba, Affanster, Han, Amal for example)
>casual criminal
>Kessu and Nylez
Now, let me take you back to 2015...

Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
TL:DR stop being lazy fucks and have money circle around instead of spawning it from the server's asshole, thx

After around 45 minutes of thinking with a very short sighted view, I have come to the conclusion that only Stormeus' idea about a government fund works - the fund will be used to reward legal players and such. Simulating actual money circulation is a really complex ordeal and should be thought much, much further.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Kessu on January 05, 2020, 03:04:21 pm: Quote from: Agent002 on January 05, 2020, 03:01:00 pm
After around 45 minutes of thinking with a very short sighted view, I have come to the conclusion that only Stormeus' idea about a government fund works - the fund will be used to reward legal players and such. Simulating actual money circulation is a really complex ordeal and should be thought much, much further.
We looked in to creating a whole economy system, but we also declared that at some point it forces us to reset the entire server because the economy would get fucked up.

You can not simulate a realistic economy in a game like this. It simply put isn't possible.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 08:30:07 pm: After these posts, I must admit my arguments in the second post were badly structured, and that they were weak in their core.

Quote from: Kessu on January 05, 2020, 02:40:32 pm
I edited your posts to remove the font you had set because it was total garbage font.

I guess I have to admit Times New Roman is pretty bad, I just looked for a classy font, but your choice.
I remember a forum once with that font, and everybody complained.

Quote from: Kessu on January 05, 2020, 02:40:32 pm
Quote from: SamirM on January 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
Admins set the tax rate to a fucking absurd 30% due to the fact that they're trolling and at the same time don't take any shit from anybody. Please, more than a quarter goes to the bank? Are you insane?
Both in Finland and UK, which happen to be mine and Klaus' home countries, people can be taxed 20 to 40% out of their salary.

You're getting off easy that we decided to apply a 30% cap on the tax. As for the trolling part... :hah:

Alright then, makes sense I guess. I was wrong.

Quote from: Kessu on January 05, 2020, 02:40:32 pm
Me, Klaus and the others in the development team control how much money circulates in the server and how fast you should earn it. Most admins have never had anything to do with the economy side of the server on the development side.

Makes sense, I guess, but I was more referring to a government body I assume won't happen.
Quote from: Kessu on January 05, 2020, 02:40:32 pm

Congratulations, you have grasped a core feature of the server which is running a business. Ammunations are the most profitable businesses and they control the legal ways to obtain weapons, as it always has been. You're just salty you're not one of those people who did the work to have an ammunation in the first place.

No, please read the context of my statement. I was indeed confirming that, but I only was referring to the influential people in the server. Then again, I assume I worded myself badly. Really sorry for that.

Quote from: Kessu on January 05, 2020, 02:40:32 pm
A hardcore criminal does not call the cops on himself. A hardcore criminal is the invisible one, that you most often don't even know is doing crimes, because they do not want to attract police. But each to their own - I would like to see you as a hardcore criminal do something in the server that doesn't involve calling the cops on yourself for imaginary kidnapping :hah:

Under the scope of this argument, me and Huntsman defined ''hardcore criminals'' as people actually vocal about being criminals.
What's the point of this ad hominem attack? There's absolutely no point in sarcastically insulting me. This is a reasonable argument, please leave the trolling for the server.
What the actual fuck, though? I simply stole mister Frost's (the officer in question) radio and said ''me or the funeral director, $5000''. We were in my opinion roleplaying more than the entire server combined, Martino can confirm (he's Frost ;))

Quote from: Kessu on January 05, 2020, 02:40:32 pm
Said by the guy who barely ever plays and knows nothing of how we vision the server to be.

1. Who gives a fuck if I play or not? The thing you quoted currently was my (wrong) opinion about the economy, and a to be honest very harsh and dumb suggestion. (About the insult of being lazy asses)
2. What? On 0:00 1.1.2019, I was on the server and was active since then. Only today have I staggered behind, because I indeed do have a real life. I no-lifed the shit out of the server between yesterday and the first, and you say I barely play?
I was inactive due to me overestimating school and thinking it'd be hell. Fortunately, it was not.
3. Alright, it's your server, I have no real say in this, I just posted a suggestion (without caring about your vision of it), what you want is what you can make.

Quote from: Agent002 on January 05, 2020, 03:01:00 pm
If you fail to see the crime rate, you shouldn't even be here at all.

You put this way out of context, Kessu did too. Why don't you read the roots of this argument? You clearly didn't, as Kessu's post had reasonable arguments and critiques, but yours is literal shit. Not trying to insult you, and yes I admit I was wrong, but the way you said I was wrong was dumb.
I was simply saying that either you are a light criminal, a hard criminal or a police officer, with nothing ''not-boring'' in-between.
Please read my first post, you have honestly no idea what you're talking about here.

Quote from: Agent002 on January 05, 2020, 03:01:00 pm
It's called market. It's a monopoly, and nothing is going to change that.

I guess what I said for Kessu can apply here.

Quote from: Agent002 on January 05, 2020, 03:01:00 pm
I can testify myself that I have done many legal roleplays before. The latest (about 1-2 months ago, admittedly) was with Stalker, who can testify the roleplay between me and him at Robina's.

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1. Don Gonzales? having fucking legal roleplays doesn't deny you being a crime boss (aka what I said earlier, hardline criminal)
Indeed, in your lifetime on this server you haven't smuggled shit on the yacht, smuggled cars, killed people and the list goes on (which I was talking about, that was the point of my argument)
2. .. keep this in mind, alright?

Quote from: Agent002 on January 05, 2020, 03:01:00 pm
>casual criminal
>Kessu and Nylez
Now, let me take you back to 2015...

Alright, now remember when I said ''keep this in mind, alright?''
Yes, well you were literally saying before, literally on the last argument, is that you used an instance of non-criminal roleplay as excuse for this shit. You are literally contradicting yourself, you just compared yourself to a minor roleplay that happened 1-2 month(s) ago, and now you are referring to these former ''hardline criminals'', now ''soft criminals'' as if they haven't changed.
Currently they are ''soft criminals'', also known as ''legitimate businessmen'' which own respectively a warehouse and a sprayshop, and are not officially part of a gang. BUT indeed they don't smuggle cars, never have killed anybody, haven't done any crimes, nonono.

But then again, I digress, that what I said was indeed stupid, and it'd be best if it was ignored. I'm sorry for anyone who contracted brain cancer.
Title: Re: Petition to re-construct the economy.
Post by: Nylez on January 06, 2020, 10:17:54 am: Your honor,

could my topic be closed? It wasn't made to create a World vs Samir situation.
I tried to do something, nobody really understood why, so there's no point keeping this open.

Thank you,

Nylez