You don’t have people interacting with eachother. Everyone is driving around, sometimes growing weed, sometimes getting in a cop chase. They do not care for the consequences for their characters. They’ll die, respawn, wait out some time and do it again. It is insane
My question to all is - what can we do to promote activity and get people actually interacting with eachother in a way enjoyable for all sides involved?
noobs which made it into admin/helper positions :lol:People just can't stop trolling when there wants to be a serious discussion, and unfortunately you are not the only one around here who does it when they give total 0 fucks about a situation, but I am not going to point fingers now. On the other hand, if you were not trolling, the only problem you see is the admin team? Have you ever looked at the players themselves, have you ever looked at yourself? What can you do to not kill this server even more, as a player, if you really love it and want to help it? The admins doesn't affect the gameplay, they just monitor the gameplay to mantain a playable atmosphere. If you really want something to happen, you should make the change, not the admins. Bring your friends to play with you, to interact with others and not just sit in your shell with all the money you have and cars, properties, guns etc, and say that you are bored or that the server is dying (Khm's argument already covered this part), the server is dying because of YOU.
Try to do something for the others, not for yourself, or just sit back and do nothing, like you always did.
Yeah, and this is what I was talking about, thanks for proving my points. Selfishness. I don't care if you are a veteran or not, you don't deserve a special treatment, or maybe you do, because you think about yourself to be someone special. I will respect people that are showing respect.
My point is, show respect to your veterans, people who stayed on Argonath for years - no matter the situation, or else, you won’t pass well.
you won’t pass well.This is the reason why no one stays around the server anymore? They don't respect toxicity and trollish behavior so they won't pass well through the server and will just move on? Seems to be a true thing.
He said to show respect, not give them special treatment. Such as when an admin is oblivious to the written and unwritten rules of the server a veteran learns from experience. Or when a veteran knows certain commands better than the helper team, because the new guys never had to endure the pain and sadness of not having /piss. I had to teach players about /bjhost, but in all honesty meth, weed and blackjack are probably the best scripts we have. ( aesthetically, imo )Yeah, and this is what I was talking about, thanks for proving my points. Selfishness. I don't care if you are a veteran or not, you don't deserve a special treatment, or maybe you do, because you think about yourself to be someone special. I will respect people that are showing respect.
My point is, show respect to your veterans, people who stayed on Argonath for years - no matter the situation, or else, you won’t pass well.
Lmaom..such tryhards. Argonath is not the only server dying. Stop giving a fuck about SAMP already. Go move to better games. A lot of servers are loosing playerbase, noone gives a fuck about roleplay in SAMP anymore.
Legal side should be supported by the government/HQ so we can have criminals, citizens, and legal employees, how to implement that? by start funding the legal departments, not to grind cash, BUT TO MOTIVATE THE EMPLOYEES so new comers may actually aim for driving schools, or CMB administrating as a job, same goes for firemen, medics, and police duties.
The server died because people who knew how to keep it alive left. The old playerbase grew up, got lives, cant play. Due to the games age, there is no influx of new players. If you look at other communitirs, they mostly survive on regulars and dont get much new players. ofSome of us are still around to laugh at the nonsense people are writing. I do agree with you on this, but this being the third reason. I'm sure most of us play another game in free time. Which basically means if Argonath was worth the time, we would still hop on. Be it daily or for a Sunday night brawl.
Then, if I'm honest, there was a way to buy your way to become staff. This is what I did. I bought my way to become staff. I literally paid Teddy $100/month to get promoted by Andeey to Admin, and from there, I used my friendship to get promoted to the Senior level, get $100 million in in-game cash. I was full-on corrupt, and the players knew it. I punished people because I wanted to, and I was called out on it. So I bullshitted my way around to make sure I don't get fired. I got cocky and started to aim higher, for the division lead and then community leader. This was when my downfall came. I intended to make the community better. But I also just wanted to get more and more power. The result was roughly $800 spent to become staff and do whatever the hell I wanted with no consequences.
@Nathan I took some time to read your whole post and I must say thank you for making such a constructive criticism, you made me to understand a part
of Argonaths history that was blank for me as I'm a newer blood and had no clue for what was going before...I just felt ashamed for this part, promotion shouldn't be based on donations or paychecks but only by the user/player effort that he puts into making our playground -Then, if I'm honest, there was a way to buy your way to become staff. This is what I did. I bought my way to become staff. I literally paid Teddy $100/month to get promoted by Andeey to Admin, and from there, I used my friendship to get promoted to the Senior level, get $100 million in in-game cash. I was full-on corrupt, and the players knew it. I punished people because I wanted to, and I was called out on it. So I bullshitted my way around to make sure I don't get fired. I got cocky and started to aim higher, for the division lead and then community leader. This was when my downfall came. I intended to make the community better. But I also just wanted to get more and more power. The result was roughly $800 spent to become staff and do whatever the hell I wanted with no consequences.
better place for all of us, and I'm ashamed only because in my personal opinion you were one of those guys who deserved to be promoted, but deffintely not by the way you described.
Its okay tho... I do respect that you were honest and that you understand it was something that shouldn't be done like that, I'm not going to ask how and why those things happend
but I just have the hope that all the mistakes you described can teach us something and wont be repeated in the future.
Thank you!
Sincerely Billy.
since the “honestly” is the key here, why you dont tell us who you’re referring 2?@Nathan I took some time to read your whole post and I must say thank you for making such a constructive criticism, you made me to understand a part
of Argonaths history that was blank for me as I'm a newer blood and had no clue for what was going before...I just felt ashamed for this part, promotion shouldn't be based on donations or paychecks but only by the user/player effort that he puts into making our playground -Then, if I'm honest, there was a way to buy your way to become staff. This is what I did. I bought my way to become staff. I literally paid Teddy $100/month to get promoted by Andeey to Admin, and from there, I used my friendship to get promoted to the Senior level, get $100 million in in-game cash. I was full-on corrupt, and the players knew it. I punished people because I wanted to, and I was called out on it. So I bullshitted my way around to make sure I don't get fired. I got cocky and started to aim higher, for the division lead and then community leader. This was when my downfall came. I intended to make the community better. But I also just wanted to get more and more power. The result was roughly $800 spent to become staff and do whatever the hell I wanted with no consequences.
better place for all of us, and I'm ashamed only because in my personal opinion you were one of those guys who deserved to be promoted, but deffintely not by the way you described.
Its okay tho... I do respect that you were honest and that you understand it was something that shouldn't be done like that, I'm not going to ask how and why those things happend
but I just have the hope that all the mistakes you described can teach us something and wont be repeated in the future.
Thank you!
Sincerely Billy.
I think honesty is key here. As much as it might hurt me, truth needs to be free. That being said, today I found out that there we other players who managed to do the same stuff that I did so looks like I'm not the only one here.
Yes please, i like transparency as well.since the “honestly” is the key here, why you dont tell us who you’re referring 2?@Nathan I took some time to read your whole post and I must say thank you for making such a constructive criticism, you made me to understand a part
of Argonaths history that was blank for me as I'm a newer blood and had no clue for what was going before...I just felt ashamed for this part, promotion shouldn't be based on donations or paychecks but only by the user/player effort that he puts into making our playground -Then, if I'm honest, there was a way to buy your way to become staff. This is what I did. I bought my way to become staff. I literally paid Teddy $100/month to get promoted by Andeey to Admin, and from there, I used my friendship to get promoted to the Senior level, get $100 million in in-game cash. I was full-on corrupt, and the players knew it. I punished people because I wanted to, and I was called out on it. So I bullshitted my way around to make sure I don't get fired. I got cocky and started to aim higher, for the division lead and then community leader. This was when my downfall came. I intended to make the community better. But I also just wanted to get more and more power. The result was roughly $800 spent to become staff and do whatever the hell I wanted with no consequences.
better place for all of us, and I'm ashamed only because in my personal opinion you were one of those guys who deserved to be promoted, but deffintely not by the way you described.
Its okay tho... I do respect that you were honest and that you understand it was something that shouldn't be done like that, I'm not going to ask how and why those things happend
but I just have the hope that all the mistakes you described can teach us something and wont be repeated in the future.
Thank you!
Sincerely Billy.
I think honesty is key here. As much as it might hurt me, truth needs to be free. That being said, today I found out that there we other players who managed to do the same stuff that I did so looks like I'm not the only one here.
It actually is in everyone's hands. Yes SA:MP as a mod is dying, yes there are problems within the community, yes the current playerbase is almost 0, yes the scripts aren't perfect and aren't that user-friendly and no one can deny that however, we used to play in much worse environment, we used to play in rather broken script. Many terrible people came and went and many good people did the same, players however are what makes the server playable. Players make the environment, players bring players, players create rp scenarios not scripts and not admins, players create fun activities between other players, players sadly make players go aswell with the constant bickering, players get fed up from others players too and forget that they can work things around instead of just giving up. There are plenty of options and things that are beyond imagination to be done but it's within the hands of players to bring them or no. If there's nothing to be done in game then create a scenario to do and call your friends to participate in it. Ultimately, it is in our hands.
samp dies >> mud : exceeding playerlimit
kek
first "ppl have exams once they're over, we'll gain our playerbase back"
now, "samp is dying" stop finding excuses but rather accept it that Argonath RPG has died, but it could return if the previous groups which were the main reason of activity, but people lost interest. The point Argo is at rn is where it can not come back from, no one likes to play on a server with 0 players. What would you do, grind meth and be the only player online? or rp with bots? I'm not saying give up on the server, but Argonath's main reason of being destroyed was the irresponsible and shit acts which we all know were made. Personal issues, ego's, everything came up and Argonath declined.
Ngl, I'm serious. A server like Argo exceeds 150playerlimit, you all know which server I'm talking about, some may say it's full of DM bla bla, however it's enjoyable. Argonath, with 0 players is not enjoyable, and one of the main reasons of Argo's decline is failure to accept their fault. In 2018, this excuse kept on coming up "as soon as exams of the players are over, we'll regain our activity" fucking hell, 50% playerbase is above 20 and now the excuse we're coming up with is SA:MP is a dead client, indeed it's creator has stopped working on it,but you simply can not deny the fact that SA:MP is still active, many play it. LSRP, RCRP, M:RP, UIF, etc, i could list a dozens of servers currently active.samp dies >> mud : exceeding playerlimit
kek
first "ppl have exams once they're over, we'll gain our playerbase back"
now, "samp is dying" stop finding excuses but rather accept it that Argonath RPG has died, but it could return if the previous groups which were the main reason of activity, but people lost interest. The point Argo is at rn is where it can not come back from, no one likes to play on a server with 0 players. What would you do, grind meth and be the only player online? or rp with bots? I'm not saying give up on the server, but Argonath's main reason of being destroyed was the irresponsible and shit acts which we all know were made. Personal issues, ego's, everything came up and Argonath declined.
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but all we can do now is look towards the future and work our way back as best we can. :)
samp dies >> mud : exceeding playerlimitYet a lot of people complain about things there, it's following the same road anyways which proves my point that players are the ones that make the server.
kek
first "ppl have exams once they're over, we'll gain our playerbase back"
now, "samp is dying" stop finding excuses but rather accept it that Argonath RPG has died, but it could return if the previous groups which were the main reason of activity, but people lost interest. The point Argo is at rn is where it can not come back from, no one likes to play on a server with 0 players. What would you do, grind meth and be the only player online? or rp with bots? I'm not saying give up on the server, but Argonath's main reason of being destroyed was the irresponsible and shit acts which we all know were made. Personal issues, ego's, everything came up and Argonath declined.
It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.Ngl, I'm serious. A server like Argo exceeds 150playerlimit, you all know which server I'm talking about, some may say it's full of DM bla bla, however it's enjoyable. Argonath, with 0 players is not enjoyable, and one of the main reasons of Argo's decline is failure to accept their fault. In 2018, this excuse kept on coming up "as soon as exams of the players are over, we'll regain our activity" fucking hell, 50% playerbase is above 20 and now the excuse we're coming up with is SA:MP is a dead client, indeed it's creator has stopped working on it,but you simply can not deny the fact that SA:MP is still active, many play it. LSRP, RCRP, M:RP, UIF, etc, i could list a dozens of servers currently active.samp dies >> mud : exceeding playerlimit
kek
first "ppl have exams once they're over, we'll gain our playerbase back"
now, "samp is dying" stop finding excuses but rather accept it that Argonath RPG has died, but it could return if the previous groups which were the main reason of activity, but people lost interest. The point Argo is at rn is where it can not come back from, no one likes to play on a server with 0 players. What would you do, grind meth and be the only player online? or rp with bots? I'm not saying give up on the server, but Argonath's main reason of being destroyed was the irresponsible and shit acts which we all know were made. Personal issues, ego's, everything came up and Argonath declined.
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but all we can do now is look towards the future and work our way back as best we can. :)
It actually is in everyone's hands.Not in Argonath, no. This isn't a democracy or whatever our glorious leaders said, remember? Clearly it ain't the players - look at other competitive server or whatever we call Mudo nowadays
Democracy to play? That's just searching for any excuse to not to.It actually is in everyone's hands.Not in Argonath, no. This isn't a democracy or whatever our glorious leaders said, remember? Clearly it ain't the players - look at other competitive server or whatever we call Mudo nowadays
Everyone gave up already, no point in paying the bills anymore.
They should have sold the community to Nathan :D Now it's worth nothing.too late now :lol: :rofl:
It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.
Couldn't agree more.It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.
GET OUTTA HERE
You can't see the answer even if you wanted to....you yourself left some time ago and you know it wasn't cause of the players LOL...trying to put it on them is the most cowardly thing someone can do.
"SAMP is dying" no, the server was dying, now it's dead
We were standing without any updates on the server for almost a year, and when we got the update it was something NOBODY wanted, hundreds of ideas were brought up and ignored....none handled stuff properly.
Truth be told, it was never Cena's doing that killed the server, it was that the management itself (owners and managers)
Take this as an example, you said SAMP is dying right? Where is the GTA V RageMP server, how is it doing? Is GTA V dying as well. are the players at fault there too?
You'd be lying to yourself blaming it on SAMP and the players, now that's a fact.
It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.
GET OUTTA HERE
You can't see the answer even if you wanted to....you yourself left some time ago and you know it wasn't cause of the players LOL...trying to put it on them is the most cowardly thing someone can do.
"SAMP is dying" no, the server was dying, now it's dead
We were standing without any updates on the server for almost a year, and when we got the update it was something NOBODY wanted, hundreds of ideas were brought up and ignored....none handled stuff properly.
Truth be told, it was never Cena's doing that killed the server, it was that the management itself (owners and managers)
Take this as an example, you said SAMP is dying right? Where is the GTA V RageMP server, how is it doing? Is GTA V dying as well. are the players at fault there too?
You'd be lying to yourself blaming it on SAMP and the players, now that's a fact.
In my opinion, both of the management and the players are responsible for all of this. I am not here to put blame on anyone like the others, I will just suggest a honest solution to everyone.
But first, you all should take a look at VC:MP. It is the most active server and the best so far lately. Look at their environment, look at the friendship there. Look at the management and how the leadership handles things there. (And you, the ones who know themselves keep shitting on kessu, look who is in better state in the whole argonath community now.)
Anyways, my suggestion to all management members of all servers, not only a single server. Have a meeting together all, managers and division leaders. And seriously discuss together how everyone can revive their servers. Aye, lead by example, look at VCMP leadership as an example. (I am not talking only to SAMP HQ, I am also talking about all HQs)
The other suggestion is to the players, go look at how friendly VCMP players are. Stop being arguing with each other and stop the hatred between yourselves.
Management can't revive the HQ alone. Players can't revive the server alone.
Ps, VCMP reached 40 players in their very small map which is something great for them.
And when you think about it, my leave was directly tied and caused by other players. ;)It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.
GET OUTTA HERE
You can't see the answer even if you wanted to....you yourself left some time ago and you know it wasn't cause of the players LOL...trying to put it on them is the most cowardly thing someone can do.
"SAMP is dying" no, the server was dying, now it's dead
We were standing without any updates on the server for almost a year, and when we got the update it was something NOBODY wanted, hundreds of ideas were brought up and ignored....none handled stuff properly.
Truth be told, it was never Cena's doing that killed the server, it was that the management itself (owners and managers)
Take this as an example, you said SAMP is dying right? Where is the GTA V RageMP server, how is it doing? Is GTA V dying as well. are the players at fault there too?
You'd be lying to yourself blaming it on SAMP and the players, now that's a fact.
And when you think about it, my leave was directly tied and caused by other players. ;)It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.
GET OUTTA HERE
You can't see the answer even if you wanted to....you yourself left some time ago and you know it wasn't cause of the players LOL...trying to put it on them is the most cowardly thing someone can do.
"SAMP is dying" no, the server was dying, now it's dead
We were standing without any updates on the server for almost a year, and when we got the update it was something NOBODY wanted, hundreds of ideas were brought up and ignored....none handled stuff properly.
Truth be told, it was never Cena's doing that killed the server, it was that the management itself (owners and managers)
Take this as an example, you said SAMP is dying right? Where is the GTA V RageMP server, how is it doing? Is GTA V dying as well. are the players at fault there too?
You'd be lying to yourself blaming it on SAMP and the players, now that's a fact.
The most cowardly thing someone can do though is leave to you-know-where and come back here complaining and shitting, the ironic part you were staff in both places at the same time. Regarding cena, no one talked about them in these recent replies but you, I wonder why.
About GTA V, I'm not the one that should be answering that as I'm not active myself there, I will leave it for RageMP staff to answer it.
You guys are missing the point here, it isn't about who's responsibilities was that made us reach this point, it's who's responsibility to get it back on its feet without finding a useless excuse to not to. Everyone was given a fair chance to express theirs opinion and have had the ability to give a hand by the topics that were made few weeks ago and the questions that were asked to numerous people and the plans that were made with them. What happened after that? No one wanted to actually do anything but moan and complain so don't tell me it isn't players fault either. And if you didn't know already, staff team are made of players aswell.
Let's all SAMPers turn to VCMP and see when we close it down or end up all banned. :rofl:
These topic seems like a useless loop
You all need to understand that players wont join on their will after all the things happened, SA:MP division had unskilled HQ leaders during many years which led the playerbase decrease so bad. You need a strong foundation before building a huge and beautiful house, same thing needs here.As much as I dislike you, I can't deny this, I was specifically trying to point this out before too.
Just think about it, we had a strong HQ staff, I can name some from late 2010 like Malcolm, Kojak, xcasio, Boromir, and the list can go on. Those guys were just pure gold, perfect leaders which were creating a great atmosphere to entertain people around. I'm not trying to point fingers on anyone, if you're not born for being a leader you'll never be able to.
And, no, you dont need "just 5 players to RP", you actually need groups like Stracci, Ancelotti, Gvardia, Corleone, Araatus to attract people to join the server. You will never attract anyone with Hagen, Gambino or any "new-trend group" which were just money farming and nothing else. The groups you were blaming doing blatant deathmatch and crying over discord how they molotoved your asses for hunting them as police officers were keeping the server alive, open your god damn eyes. No active groups = server dead.
Putting aside the rather personal insults and remarks, these are all fair quotes. I don't know where you got that shitty talk from but if you were really an insider of the SAMP community you would know that what you've mentioned above I've mentioned before, multiple times. My actual reply was meant to be a joke to sort of cool things down a little bit since everyone was going the extra mile to make their points even though it doesn't matter anymore. What's left of SAMP is not even close to the prime standard that used to be. There's really a huge downfall for a straight year that you fail to realize. Of course you are here for the popcorn but don't think for a second that you have a solid opinion about what's going on no matter the fancy talk.Let's all SAMPers turn to VCMP and see when we close it down or end up all banned. :rofl:
And your attitude is what's wrong with the general behavior.
Why not just try to make something with what you've got instead of acting like a high and mighty weasel.
You're no better than any other individual, no matter how smart you think you are.
If you would actually try to look past the flaws a server has and work with the shit you've got, you'd realize you got something to work with.
Get off your high horse and get out there and do the work, because nothing that's worth having comes easy.
The playerbase is low because SAMP is dying in generalSAMP is dying?
The playerbase is low because SAMP is dying in generalSAMP is dying?
Can u explain how/why other english RP server have +100 and +200 playerbase daily?(https://i.imgur.com/ZfMM7ou.png)note : i took that SS atm while writing this reply. and i can provide you with SS everyday, about those other SAMP servers playerbase.
You can stand in front of a mirror and keep lying to yourself and repeat "SAMP is dying" as many as you can!
but it changes nothing. ;)
The playerbase is low because SAMP is dying in generalSAMP is dying?
Can u explain how/why other english RP server have +100 and +200 playerbase daily?(https://i.imgur.com/ZfMM7ou.png)note : i took that SS atm while writing this reply. and i can provide you with SS everyday, about those other SAMP servers playerbase.
You can stand in front of a mirror and keep lying to yourself and repeat "SAMP is dying" as many as you can!
but it changes nothing. ;)
Saying that the screenshot is recent, doesn't mean that it isn't in decline.
(https://i.imgur.com/SfupnyU.png)
Source: http://www.mauzen.org/samp/
You can stand in front of a mirror and keep lying to yourself and repeat "SAMP is dying" as many as you can!
but it changes nothing. ;)
Let's all SAMPers turn to VCMP and see when we close it down or end up all banned. :rofl:
I know. I don't argue with anything that Nylez said other than the personal quotes which are obviously inaccurate and way false to me. As for my "Let's all SAMPers turn to VCMP" sort of sarcasm it was obviously meant to be a joke. Apologies if it ain't your type of humor.Let's all SAMPers turn to VCMP and see when we close it down or end up all banned. :rofl:Anyhow, I think VCMP's situation proved that "SAMP is old" is not an argument.
You people still didn't answer to this question?
These kinds of topics killed it.
Before I start off with the point of this topic, I believe I need to clarify the definitions of a few terms I will be using.First and most important – Roleplay. I’ll use the Wikipedia article:
“A role-playing game (sometimes spelled roleplaying game;[1][2] abbreviated RPG) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making regarding character development”
Roleplaying in SA:MP would mean you assume the Role of your Character and develop him or her and act out the way HE or SHE WOULD. You are NOT your character. So any personal feelings you may have toward someone OOC(Or outside of Roleplay for those who do not recognize OOC) do not matter. If your character never met them or heard of them through RP, he should be indifferent. This is why I believe Metagaming is a vital part of the roleplay process. To put it short – Roleplaying is acting out and developing your character’s actions in a realistic and reasonable way.
Activity – This is NOT the player slots being filled in game. Activity is the interactions between the players. When you go out with your friends IRL to do activities, you interact with them, talk with them, drink and play with them as well as interact with the people around if you are in a public space. To put it short activity is things happening, not people in game.
Powergaming – It has two definitions, both of which are valid. It is either your /me emotes enforcing a certain action on the other participant (e.g. /me punches X in the face, knocking out his teeth and making him unconscious). The other definition would be the play 2 win attitude, which is basically taking part in scenarios with the sole purpose of coming out as a “winner”. To put it in Argonath terminology – it is both “forcing roleplay” and “play2win”.
Now, to start off – you might say that “Argonath is not dead”, “We are active” etc. Yes, there are players In Game. But honestly, whenever I head In Game it feels empty. I’ve had more fun and interactions and seen more activity half a year ago when we had 1-5/200 players. I’m not posting this to trashtalk any groups, admins, HQ or whatnot. My main interest is the good of Argonath, it has always been.
Yes, SA:MP Argonath does have a decent playerbase nowadays. But there is no activity, no interactions between the players. Back in the day, groups and players actually interacted with eachother – providing enjoyable scenarios for all sides involved. Which sadly is something that has not happened in years. People pull guns, kidnap, beat up PD members just for pulling them over for a traffic violation. A recent example would be the situation with the recently elected Mayor of Los Santos. The person who became mayor did so only because they were the only candidate. People simply did not care enough to involve themselves in politics. What happens when they get elected? They start getting kidnapped for whatever reasons and I can only assume is because certain individuals wish to profit off of it.
In all honesty, I believe kidnappings should be monitored and limited as well as regulated like shootouts. I’ve seen my fair share of scenarios where people are being kidnapped for the sake of their tag or group they belong to. Afterward they proceed to get tortured and forced to remain on the scene, despite it being graphic. That is disgusting and graphic roleplay, which should only happen when both sides are okay with it. Very few people would enjoy their character being tortured and killed just because of a tag they wear. This generally made Argonath a rather hostile place for people, because you get bullied and tormented, just because you chose to join a certain group.
Another thing, which I believe is the main issue that lead to the downfall and decrease of the playerbase. The majority of groups at the time(mostly formed by people who were new) based all their roleplay and interactions on the scripts. You have weedfields, meth cooks, black market and notoriety, scripted properties and owning them. During the “good times”, roleplay was all over. You had people like Jcs and his Immigration Patrol. There was no script for showing someone your passport, nor were there any laws against that. It was people having fun and interacting with eachother. Mexican gangs roleplaying as illegals were running and hiding from them. They had scripted passports, but simply roleplayed. They wrote stories. The majority of the remaining playerbase does not engage in roleplay. You no longer have mafia families opening their Clubs, hosting different groups, cops, clans and engaging in club roleplay. You do not see roleplay races – it is mostly admin hosted events which are “go here > countdown > race > announce winner > give money”, most of which is in public chat or admin announcements. Instead of having it all being roleplayed, having people contact eachother IC and organize the race, inviting people with SMS and calls.
You don’t have people interacting with eachother. Everyone is driving around, sometimes growing weed, sometimes getting in a cop chase. They do not care for the consequences for their characters. They’ll die, respawn, wait out some time and do it again. It is insane.
One of the things that contributed to this is the division in a few major groups. Sure, you can say that they are different groups and allies, associates whatnot. But we all know that there are only three criminal groups and they have been around for the last 2-3 years. You may give out different names, you may act as allies, but the structure is the same. The mentality is the same. You have those groups driving around in their cars, fully armed and armored up, drive up to the weedfield, plant, wait the hours, harvest – go sell and buy the next property. They buy properties they never open to the public, they never use for anything else but a rendezvous point.
I can continue listing, but it’d come down to knit picking. The main problem is – there is little to none activity in Argonath SA:MP and there is even less incentive to join the server. Why would I go InGame, when there is no place I can go to roleplay at(Like GS9 for example)? I can go grind the script, truck, plant weed, mine and then go off. But this is something I can do in SinglePlayer as well with the help of a few mods. I do not go on SA:MP to play alone, I go to interact with others and roleplay.
My question goes out to everyone. What can we do to bring activity back? What groups and businesses would you guys like to see in order to encourage you to roleplay and interact with the others? What will be required for all those year-long OOC based group conflicts to end, for the sake of Argonath’s future? What turned us into script-dependent zombies who cannot use our imagination and what can we do to encourage that?
One thing I will address before it is stated. I recognize that I disagree with some people OOC, I recognize I’ve had conflicts in the past. But that is my problem. Not my character’s. Whenever I go In Game, I am my character and I should not be limited and ignored based on who I am OOC. Feel free to trashtalk me in DMs or Discord, IG PMs and public chat, you have the right to dislike me. But think about what comes out of it. Nothing. Just because you had issues with someone in the far away or recent past does not mean you should ignore his characters or automatically be hostile to him. We are all here for one reason, and that’s Argonath. Anything else is additional flavor.
So for the sake of Argonath – bury all hatches, start off something new and original, involve others and let us be a healthy and friendly community, rather than just talk about being one.
tl;dr:
My question to all is - what can we do to promote activity and get people actually interacting with eachother in a way enjoyable for all sides involved?
*wonders how topics could fuck up argo when someone else literally fucked it up*
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Bruh, you just come up with excuses rather than putting efforts in fixing this server. OH WAIT, LETS MAKE EFFORTS AFTER DRIVING EVERYONE OUT OF THIS SERVER AND BE LEFT WITH NO ADMIN, NO SCRIPTER AND BE JUST LIKE THAT INNIT!!!!*wonders how topics could fuck up argo when someone else literally fucked it up*
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You just the living example of it. Why bother posting? :D
Drug prices dropping sounds like a good excuse to leave ye. I think you should read your own signature more carefully. Rather than finding an excuse how about discussing about how to improve?Bruh, you just come up with excuses rather than putting efforts in fixing this server. OH WAIT, LETS MAKE EFFORTS AFTER DRIVING EVERYONE OUT OF THIS SERVER AND BE LEFT WITH NO ADMIN, NO SCRIPTER AND BE JUST LIKE THAT INNIT!!!!*wonders how topics could fuck up argo when someone else literally fucked it up*
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You just the living example of it. Why bother posting? :D
That's a great idea, to be very honest, I gotta drop my shitty attitude, I'm just short-tempered. We gotta start off with dropping our toxicity towards each other, and be actually present IG, with all the willing groups who want to play.Drug prices dropping sounds like a good excuse to leave ye. I think you should read your own signature more carefully. Rather than finding an excuse how about discussing about how to improve?Bruh, you just come up with excuses rather than putting efforts in fixing this server. OH WAIT, LETS MAKE EFFORTS AFTER DRIVING EVERYONE OUT OF THIS SERVER AND BE LEFT WITH NO ADMIN, NO SCRIPTER AND BE JUST LIKE THAT INNIT!!!!*wonders how topics could fuck up argo when someone else literally fucked it up*
I don't quite remember it
this that, everything.
You just the living example of it. Why bother posting? :D
Bruh, you just come up with excuses rather than putting efforts in fixing this server. OH WAIT, LETS MAKE EFFORTS AFTER DRIVING EVERYONE OUT OF THIS SERVER AND BE LEFT WITH NO ADMIN, NO SCRIPTER AND BE JUST LIKE THAT INNIT!!!!*wonders how topics could fuck up argo when someone else literally fucked it up*
I don't quite remember it
this that, everything.
You just the living example of it. Why bother posting? :D
Keep away from people like you, it's corona time bruhBruh, you just come up with excuses rather than putting efforts in fixing this server. OH WAIT, LETS MAKE EFFORTS AFTER DRIVING EVERYONE OUT OF THIS SERVER AND BE LEFT WITH NO ADMIN, NO SCRIPTER AND BE JUST LIKE THAT INNIT!!!!*wonders how topics could fuck up argo when someone else literally fucked it up*
I don't quite remember it
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You just the living example of it. Why bother posting? :D
What exactly have you done?
Just move on, it's never going to get better. :)well said
SA:MP Server was a ship sinking slowly throughout the years, but nobody wanted to adress the issues back then because the server had a very high playerbase. Now that we're at the bottom of the ocean we want to repair the ship.
Argpnath SA:MP 2007-2013It's been a long and bumpy ride for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9V78UbdzWI
suddenly purists woke up from their retarded 'rp it' dream and started realizing some people actually want scripts, scripts got introduced and it caused the missing playerbase to be filled with retards doing nothing but farming scripts
First of all; your activity in both V and SAMP was never enough to judge whether the environment or the overall activity standard was appropriate or not. Your opinion's root starts from this very forum, so there goes your endless and rather carping commentary about the said servers state.suddenly purists woke up from their retarded 'rp it' dream and started realizing some people actually want scripts, scripts got introduced and it caused the missing playerbase to be filled with retards doing nothing but farming scriptsI always hoped that the RageMP GTA V Argonath server will revive Argonath, but it doesn't seem to be doing as well as was expected. Which is a shame, because the community there is ten times better than what SAMP had.
We all can agree to disagree on what killed the server and what could have been done to prevent it, but there's one thing that I think most of us can agree on - Most of us legitimately tried to do what we could, and that's all that matters in the end.That's a fair point.
This other server is currently shining in activity and let me tell you that 90% of the players currently active there are purely Argonathians.
purely Argonathians.
You do realize that the majority of active so called "Argonathians" over there are the main force behind the downfall of SA:MP Argonath, right?The only thing I do realize is that you have no clue what you are on about. You've so blatantly generalized our past active playerlist to a specific group of people you have a beef with, how damn cute. If you take off your toxic pair of very much convenient glasses you'll eventually see that a very decent amount of great Argonath RPers all reside in the mud at this very moment.
I have given up my long time SAMP RP buddies due to the fact that I've refused to sink into the mud myself. I've constantly begged fellow clanmates and previous groupmates to start shit here, once again. Your lack of information and this very false accusation is actually very much triggering, taking into account you've known me for a decent amount of time.
Be a pig and play in the mud, but do not claim false loyalty on their behalf.
First of all; your activity in both V and SAMP was never enough to judge whether the environment or the overall activity standard was appropriate or not. Your opinion's root starts from this very forum, so there goes your endless and rather carping commentary about the said servers state.suddenly purists woke up from their retarded 'rp it' dream and started realizing some people actually want scripts, scripts got introduced and it caused the missing playerbase to be filled with retards doing nothing but farming scriptsI always hoped that the RageMP GTA V Argonath server will revive Argonath, but it doesn't seem to be doing as well as was expected. Which is a shame, because the community there is ten times better than what SAMP had.
Aren't you bored of beating a dead horse? I swear to God I've counted limitless posts of you bitching about SAMP in general since very late 2015 as if you are some sort BGT judge that is required to comment about each and every move SAMP has provided. Enough. We get it, VCMP is your dream platform and I'm pretty sure most of other SAMPers are glad it is.
For your information, the old but gold generation of Argonath SAMP was near damn perfect. Proper scripts for the specific period of time -including the low demands of the actual playerlist of the time- and a very friendly environment overall. Whether your thick mind gets it or not, SAMP was the core of the community, and for the right reasons. You might as well wash your mouth before constantly bringing up the latest state of the SAMP server as a bad example for the rest of the community.
This other server is currently shining in activity and let me tell you that 90% of the players currently active there are purely Argonathians. That by itself is enough to prove that your "SAMP is shit" argument has really grown old. We've all turned SAMP into a shithole, you are included, too. We've all been pointing fingers left and right as well as going the extra mile to prove that we're right and the opposite side is false.
Last but not least, stop acting like a genius that you think you are and move on with your life and VCMP career. Your excessive overbearing remarks and constant hatred towards any sort of SAMP outcome is also a part of SAMP's general downfall and has become extremely sickening. Go arrest some smugglers or something. Oh and yeah, you have the option to return to the scene after dying on the ship over and over and over and over again. How amusing?! Fits your must-win, truly arrogant, White-Knightish front just fine.We all can agree to disagree on what killed the server and what could have been done to prevent it, but there's one thing that I think most of us can agree on - Most of us legitimately tried to do what we could, and that's all that matters in the end.That's a fair point.
You do realize that the majority of active so called "Argonathians" over there are the main force behind the downfall of SA:MP Argonath, right? Allowing some of them to come back mid-last year was the final nail to the coffin. Be a pig and play in the mud, but do not claim false loyalty on their behalf.
And since you give me the " :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:" bullshit as if you are actually very much true and honest about the matter, why don't we just mention your witchhunting situation couple of months ago with Bas, when the server was actually showing signs of life?
If you take off your toxic pair of very much convenient glasses you'll eventually see that a very decent amount of great Argonath RPers all reside in the mud at this very moment.
Your lack of information and this very false accusation is actually very much triggering, taking into account you've known me for a decent amount of time.
Right as this post is being made, a brand new VMP group merge is taking place for the sake of improving the new server and possibly influence the environment there as a whole.
can't see you 2 very active in argo :lol:
Now crawl back to the "other server" where "STOP OR I SHOOT" RP is somehow considered a spiritual successor.This is fucking false. It feels like you are in a desperate need of proving me wrong by coming up with disgusting assumptions like this one.
I atleast still fucking play here, you decided to turncoat. So shut the fuck up.
Fits your must-win, truly arrogant, White-Knightish front just fine..
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Uh oh, by the way, since you claim yourself to be a true VCMPer and as you clearly stated that you have given up on the shithole that SAMP has turned to for years now, why bother to constantly drag yourself into this toxic environment? After all that's the reason you've stopped playing yourself, right?
If you take a look at each and every SAMP topic made regarding the state of the server, you are always there to share your opinion, even though you haven't logged in for more than a half hour for at least 5 years now. That by itself is enough to know that your opinion is based of from forum discussions and not any other sort of communication with an active and healthy caring part of the server or by in-game experience for that matter.
The fact that you have an account registered since whatever your first registration was does not give you any sort of 'SAMP Veteran' right that you consider yourself to be. You are nothing more than a gardener that tries to participate in a discussion about rocket science. And yes, even if you ask me personally, I myself cannot be dead certain of what things went so wrong since there are tons of facts that are hidden beneath the table. Nobody but few individuals are well aware of what has been the only issue that has drastically turned Argonath SA:MP into a ghost town. What really matters in the end is that those who are left and still care do whatever's possible to keep the server somewhat alive. Or... nothing at all; at the very least do not come out each and every fucking time and play the "IT'S THEIR FAULT" game, simply judging by topics like this one. It has become extremely predictable.I played the server since RS3, and by played I mean I used to be online for like six - seven hours daily, and only stopped playing when things went downhill around 2015. How the fuck does that not make me a veteran?
In all honesty, I expected nothing else than this response and I've already shared my opinion about you, maybe not in the fairest way of them all, but still.. your arrogant and know-it-all behavior is WAY too evident for me to add anything else.
Fits your must-win, truly arrogant, White-Knightish front just fine..Yeah, exactly. You know me sooo well.
I've officially now made my own peace with eternal immunity towards your future counter-arguments about any possible matter or any other sort of inaccurate statement of yours. I never got to know you that well and I've witnessed your personality as much as the forums allowed me to do, but you truly seem like an insult to common sense.
Yes, VCMP always had a special place in my heart and I do prefer it over SAMP, but I never hated SAMP.ok bud
Which is a shame, because the community there is ten times better than what SAMP had.
VC:MP's still going strong. 15-22 players daily, so hop in if you want to play an active Argo server :war:
While the other servers might be struggling, we're still going strong as always, so consider paying us a visit and stop playing with yourself :gand:
As much as it saddens me to say this, SA:MP's future is rather clear. Having paid a visit there recently, the conclusion that at this point it's pretty much on life support by the very few players that still play it.
The server died because people who knew how to keep it alive left.
And needless to say, it must no longer be so SAMP centered as it used to be.
SA:MP is pretty much already dead.
VC:MP is still going strong because it has a much more dedicated, strong and united community that's been rock solid since 2008.
Oh yes, the elitist clans you'd have to join to get any significant position anywhere :hah: :rofl:
I am afraid the SA:MP section of this community has crossed the point of no return, sadly.
I had played Argonath RPG in VC:MP on a friends computer like two years back before I discovered SAMP.
Either way, face the fact. This is the first time it happened. Sure, SAMP used to have activity problems at times, but never to this extent. Never to the point like this. And no, it is not that the "mod is 12 years old". VC:MP is about the same age and still kicking, and people don't seem to get tired of it anytime soon. In fact, it seems that the older it gets, the more people join our community. As I repeated time over time - it is the SA:MP community that can be really unbearable that probably motivates people to leave.
but I never hated SAMP.
I never hated SAMP.
Though I must admit, the fact that you've dedicated your precious time compile a list of out of context quotes amuses and flatters me.What amuses me is that you still think that you are not a living Argonath meme yourself. Get the fuck out of the SA:MP section and stay in your lane. The ping pong paddle is now off the table and you are no longer able to go back and forth as if you are a tiny precious little ball.
Though I must admit, the fact that you've dedicated your precious time compile a list of out of context quotes amuses and flatters me.What amuses me is that you still think that you are not a living Argonath meme yourself. Get the fuck out of the SA:MP section and stay in your lane. The ping pong paddle is now off the table and you are no longer able to go back and forth as if you are a tiny precious little ball.
You don't belong in this section of the forums.