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Title: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Boxy on February 21, 2008, 03:04:46 am
Ok, for my 12th birthday, my dad asked me If i want a ipod or 20 gauge shotgun :neutral:  I need the Ipod so I can start running a track in my Community center and because I need it for drumming to songs.  I have enough money to buy my own ipod for 50 bucks, not even that, i could get a cheaper mp3 player, I dont need a 150 dollar ipod.
Now my dad was going to get me a shotgun for next year's christmas but having a shotgun when ure 12 is bad ass! :D  So what do you think? Should I get a shotgun or a 50 dollar ipod that Ill only use sometimes
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Shifter on February 21, 2008, 05:51:41 am
An Ipod can be used anywhere (unless your school says no) But a shotgun.....try walking around carrying that.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Petey on February 21, 2008, 06:05:08 am
get the ipod.. unless u will be going to a gun range or go hunting a lot you wont really be needed a shotgun..

i just a 80gb ipod last weekend its good..and also my dad owns 2 shotguns.. i have fired both of them..
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on February 21, 2008, 05:17:59 pm
Hmm well since you are a fellow american, I know how hard it is to choose. I would say go with the Shotgun dude...it will be frickin awesome when you go hunting and stuff...and plus if you can buy an ipod, do it! Go to a pawn shop where there are a bunch of old guys who don't know what an ipod is and you can get it for like $15! Anyways, depending on where you live in the US, you should get the shotgun DEFINITLEY
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: PMP on February 21, 2008, 05:20:13 pm
and also my dad owns 2 shotguns.. i have fired both of them..
uuhh, Petey is so cooool!!1
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Cross on February 21, 2008, 05:21:30 pm
What dad makes his 12 year old son buy a shotgun!? :eek:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: tiderman on February 21, 2008, 05:23:24 pm
Umm.. A real shotgun with bullets which you can kill people with?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Seskom on February 21, 2008, 05:24:31 pm
ROFL ask a car not shotgun or ipod (( cheap car xD ))
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: PMP on February 21, 2008, 05:26:12 pm
Umm.. A real shotgun with bullets which you can kill people with?
Maybe it as no bullets. To kill people you have to run after them and beat them ehehe...
ROFL ask a car not shotgun or ipod (( cheap car xD ))
I would go for that too...
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Metrapoler on February 21, 2008, 05:32:11 pm
lol, this is crazy america. you dad will buy a shotgun, but alcohol is forbidden till your 21. OMFG this is really CRAZY   :alert" OMFG OMFG
my parents would never ask for a gun.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: The_Wolf on February 21, 2008, 05:32:58 pm
LMAO,my dad bought a car for my grandpa,that costed $200 (LADA).I drove it sometimes,my grandpa said he cant drive a car (hes almost blind) and now i can drive it,but just around the neighbourhood,cos im 17 and i cant have a drivers licence.If the cops get me,the old LADA will be taken and i will be kicked out of home :|
   :ps: OMG,a 12 years old kid with a shotgun ??? that is one lame idea  :wow:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: PMP on February 21, 2008, 05:43:51 pm
Ooohh, I just noticed.
He lives in US.
Thats ok then.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Jserg on February 21, 2008, 06:00:16 pm
lol 12 years old kids run with a shotgun at USA?  :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:


WTF lol

Get a car as your father let u get a gun  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Seskom on February 21, 2008, 06:02:33 pm
ROFL i am 12 too but i did something else when i got 12 i bought some alcohol and then 2ppls who stayd to my place for night we drank vodka and took my Brother Honda CRX rofl it was soo funny we diditn get cut :O

car would be great shotgun sucks u have nothing to do with it soo i think u should ask car if u wont get car ask ipod xD
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Jserg on February 21, 2008, 06:06:32 pm
12 years old with car  :rofl:

BTW u are lucky u didnt crashed anywhere
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: tiderman on February 21, 2008, 06:08:34 pm
Ask for a bus. A GM Fishbowl. Then travel to the UK and drive one of those bus derbys.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: chris. on February 22, 2008, 12:03:58 am
-.- Americans

kids with shotguns -.-


yes I know I am American. but where I live I dont know any kids with guns
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on February 22, 2008, 06:41:09 am
WOW everyone is all like "AMERICANS AND THEIR CRAZY GUNS!"...it really isn't that big of a deal. It is just like ingame, do you feel safe with out a gun? I shot my first deer with a 25-06 deer rifle when I was 12. I shot my first pistol when I was 6 (my dad was holding the gun too calm down). I got a BB gun when I was 5 and a sling shot. Where I come from, it is unnatural if you don't have a gun in your house. No one gets into trouble with them except for the murderers. The last minor that got hurt with a gun was a stupid high school jock and one of his stupid buddies who was cleaning a gun of his. But most aren't stupid enough to get hurt because most parents drive it into their tiny kids heads that guns are cool but extremely dangerous even when they think they aren't loaded. And to always stay away from them while parents aren't watching. Anyways, definitley go with the shotgun man!
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Goodblue on February 22, 2008, 07:15:18 am
 :eek: SHOTGUN? :wow: Ipod :poke:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Trojan_Fabrizio on February 22, 2008, 09:09:05 am
A shotgun is a useless thing to have... Get an iPod.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on February 22, 2008, 05:29:15 pm
USES OF SHOTGUN: :banana:

Protect yourself from bad guys
Hunt
Shoot at Targets
Learn to use a gun
Protect your family

USES OF IPOD: :neutral:

Listen to music
Watch a video
Play Solitaire
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Pandalink on February 22, 2008, 07:09:38 pm
USES OF SHOTGUN: :banana:

Protect yourself from bad guys
Hunt
Shoot at Targets
Learn to use a gun
Protect your family

USES OF IPOD: :neutral:

Listen to music
Watch a video
Play Solitaire


Protect yourself from bad guys - frankly, I wouldn't want a pile of dead man in my hallway. Whats the likelihood that you could actually get it loaded in time to surprise them anyway? Just hit them with a Baseball Bat or something.
Hunt - don't go there.
Shoot at Targets - You don't need to own a gun to do this, you could do it at commercial places.
Learn to use a gun - Why would you need to?
Protect your family - Same thing, hit 'em with the bat!

Now, this is coming from the mind of an British person, who doesn't get the concept of using a Gun to shoot someone in defence in your home; so I can't exactly comment on the society of a place where criminals are highly more likely to have a gun themselves. I've hardly ever seen a real gun (apart from in Airports, or where the Police came into our School with M4 Machine Guns.  :) )
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: JJ on February 22, 2008, 07:17:50 pm
take shotgun, you can rob many iPods :)  :weed: :gun:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Goodblue on February 22, 2008, 08:09:35 pm
(apart from in Airports, or where the Police came into our School with M4 Machine Guns.  :) )
:wow: HOLY $H1T :wow:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Chase on February 22, 2008, 08:35:57 pm
Quote
Protect yourself from bad guys - frankly, I wouldn't want a pile of dead man in my hallway. Whats the likelihood that you could actually get it loaded in time to surprise them anyway? Just hit them with a Baseball Bat or something.
What if they have a gun? They can shoot you before you hit them.
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Hunt - don't go there.
What? hunting is a good hobby, without using guns to hunt, it would be hard to get meat.
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Shoot at Targets - You don't need to own a gun to do this, you could do it at commercial places.
Why waste your gas and money driving there when you can stay at home popping squirrels with a .22?
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Learn to use a gun - Why would you need to?
It's a fun hobby
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Protect your family - Same thing, hit 'em with the bat!
Same thing, what if the bad guys have a gun?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: The_Wolf on February 22, 2008, 08:39:29 pm
Even if you get a shotgun,do you think that a 12 years old boy can use a shotgun?Do you think that a 12 years old boy can SHOOT SOMEONE ?? Even a 32 years man will think before shooting someone (GUTS).And what will 2 guys with pistols do,when they see a 12 years old boy with a shotgun ? I will simply give him a big kick and it will be forgotten...ffs think a little ... sheeesh :|
               -TheLegend
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Pandalink on February 22, 2008, 08:59:11 pm
Now, this is coming from the mind of an British person, who doesn't get the concept of using a Gun to shoot someone in defence in your home; so I can't exactly comment on the society of a place where criminals are highly more likely to have a gun themselves.

 :)
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: chris. on February 22, 2008, 09:07:52 pm
USES OF SHOTGUN: :banana:

Protect yourself from bad guys
Hunt
Shoot at Targets
Learn to use a gun
Protect your family

USES OF IPOD: :neutral:

Listen to music
Watch a video
Play Solitaire


Luke I dont know what world you live in where you have to protect yourself with a SHOTGUN. thats Death in the first shot. have you ever used a Shotgun for protection?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: chris. on February 22, 2008, 09:12:47 pm
Also, a 12 year old with a gun. Scenario 1Guy comes into your house,  Surprise attack with a Baseball bat. a club or anything harmful but not quite lethal, and then you call Cops

Scenario 2 Guy comes into house, you shoot him. he is dead. now forever in your mind you have that memory of KILLING a man when you where 12 years old.  :pop:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Abraham on February 22, 2008, 10:13:48 pm
Rofl, I'd totally get the shotgun, although I'd probably end up in jail within a week.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: tiderman on February 22, 2008, 10:33:53 pm
I think you will need a big, long coat though.. I would choose an AK 47 but meh
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Brains on February 22, 2008, 11:32:56 pm
On your place I would choose shotgun because you never know when u will need that and Ipod you can buy at any time  :D
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: VMNT on February 23, 2008, 01:36:13 am
(apart from in Airports, or where the Police came into our School with M4 Machine Guns.  :) )



I thought they used the MP5...?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Pandalink on February 23, 2008, 02:13:17 am


I thought they used the MP5...?

Well, I'm not exactly 100% sure it was an M4, but I don't think it was an MP5 (it looked more like an assault rifle).
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: VMNT on February 23, 2008, 02:19:45 am
Well, I'm not exactly 100% sure it was an M4, but I don't think it was an MP5 (it looked more like an assault rifle).


If these are the guys you are talking about, then it's an MP5.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: SVT on February 23, 2008, 02:59:26 am
I'd go for shotgun, but thats probably 'cus I'm in UK and it's easier to get an Ipod any time compared to a shotgun.  :)
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Pandalink on February 23, 2008, 03:12:13 am

If these are the guys you are talking about, then it's an MP5.

Ok.  :)
But it wasn't the MP5 as in the SMG from GTA, it was the M4 from GTA.  ;)
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Watahell on February 23, 2008, 04:40:50 am
USES OF SHOTGUN: :banana:

Protect yourself from bad guys
Hunt
Shoot at Targets
Learn to use a gun
Protect your family

1- Oh, by killing them? Like Panda said, I think most people don't want corpses on their hallways. Aside from the fact you can be sued by the family of the "bad guy" and they may even reverse the case on you making you be the cold killa of the story.

2- Ohh riiight, I think it's so good for the fauna to fill 'em with lead.

3- Go to a shooting range and rent a gun.

4- What for? To master the art of killing?

5- Same as 1.

Sorry, but I think that the shotgun would be more like a thing to brag about with his friends: HEY DUD I R HAZ SHOTGUN I R TEH COLDKILLA MODARFOKA. And the friends: ooo he is cool he R has shotgun! hooray! Plsplspls can I haz a shot? :cry:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on February 23, 2008, 05:45:55 am
   I can't believe you guys WOULDN'T want a shotgun! I mean thats all most of everyone does is play shoot em up games where we kill people for points. That however is beside the point. Think about this scenario: You wake up in the middle of the night to a window crash sound downstairs. You think "Oh no! A robber". You think "He may have a gun!"...What if he does? Do you think he is gonna say "Oh hey you caught me! Well I guess I am just gonna run away and get away scott free that way you can call 911 then I get caught and go to jail and have ABSOLUTELY no doubt in my mind that I should have done that differently!" No he is gonna be like "STAY THERE! I WANT ALL THE CASH YOU GOT AND ALL THE JEWELRY TOO!!!" After that he may infact shoot you so you can't call 911. Now on to Scenario 2: You wake up to the window crashing bla bla bla. You get out your 12 gauge shotgun out of the closet. You scream "Get the heck out of my house, or I will come out there and blow your effing brains out." If they decide to pull a gun on you then you shoot them. It is called self defense and no one is ever going to believe that you murdered someone in cold blood when there is a broken window and a dead guy with a ski mask at the bottom of the stairs. And no judge in his right mind will rule that the family that may sue you is in THEIR right mind.
   Anyways, you can think what you want but I believe that having atleast ONE gun in the house, be it a shotgun, deer rifle, or even a 9mm pistol, is the best decision to make. My Grandfather had one when my dad was a kid, my dad has one now. I will definitley have one when I am an adult so I can protect my family.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: stiffler2100 on February 23, 2008, 06:17:54 am
i cant believe ur even thinking about getting a shotgun...a SHOTGUN, seriously wtf, you are 12 years old all you can do with that shotgun is go "look i have a shotgun im cool" its not cool to own a gun. just get the ipod, and if u ever get bored of the ipod theres probs some mod out there to turn it into a tazer. seriously though, when i saw this topic, it really pissed me off to be stupid enough to by your 12 year old son a shotgun.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on February 23, 2008, 06:48:37 am
ok ok...ipod, that will probably break eventually or get stolen or something OR you can get a shotgun that you will remember forever!
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: stiffler2100 on February 23, 2008, 07:00:23 am
ok ok...ipod, that will probably break eventually or get stolen or something OR you can get a shotgun that you will remember forever!

remembering something for ever doesnt mean its good.....if he kills someone or something with it hell remember that forever
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Pandalink on February 23, 2008, 12:17:50 pm
Actually, you'd be surprised how crappy the courts are for cases like that.

There was a story where a robber was robbing this farmer, the farmer shot him in.. I think it was the leg. The farmer got sued. I think the case actually took awhile, and the robber didn't even hide the fact he was a robber.

Maybe its different in America, maybe every single criminal walks around with a Minigun under their jackets, I don't know, but I'd certainly rather beat the hell out of a robber with a Baseball Bat (if he wouldn't be knocked out easily :D ) than shoot him. And with a Shotgun? Thats one dead man.

Which:

When I was a Child, a scary man came and stole some stuff from my house!
Or..
When I was a Child, a scary man came and so I murdered him (in self-defense!).

Or even better..
When I was a Child, a scary man came into my house. I knocked him out with my Baseball Bat, and he went to Prison.  :)
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: stiffler2100 on February 23, 2008, 12:41:54 pm
Actually, you'd be surprised how crappy the courts are for cases like that.

There was a story where a robber was robbing this farmer, the farmer shot him in.. I think it was the leg. The farmer got sued. I think the case actually took awhile, and the robber didn't even hide the fact he was a robber.

Maybe its different in America, maybe every single criminal walks around with a Minigun under their jackets, I don't know, but I'd certainly rather beat the hell out of a robber with a Baseball Bat (if he wouldn't be knocked out easily :D ) than shoot him. And with a Shotgun? Thats one dead man.

Which:

When I was a Child, a scary man came and stole some stuff from my house!
Or..
When I was a Child, a scary man came and so I murdered him (in self-defense!).

Or even better..
When I was a Child, a scary man came into my house. I knocked him out with my Baseball Bat, and he went to Prison.  :)

there was another story where some guy in the uk who was in his 50's who lived alone heard noises down stairs, went down with a gun and 2 people where in his house robbing it, so he shot one of them and went to jail for 10 years.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: chris. on February 23, 2008, 11:42:14 pm
Actually, you'd be surprised how crappy the courts are for cases like that.

There was a story where a robber was robbing this farmer, the farmer shot him in.. I think it was the leg. The farmer got sued. I think the case actually took awhile, and the robber didn't even hide the fact he was a robber.

Maybe its different in America, maybe every single criminal walks around with a Minigun under their jackets, I don't know, but I'd certainly rather beat the hell out of a robber with a Baseball Bat (if he wouldn't be knocked out easily :D ) than shoot him. And with a Shotgun? Thats one dead man.

Which:

When I was a Child, a scary man came and stole some stuff from my house!
Or..
When I was a Child, a scary man came and so I murdered him (in self-defense!).

Or even better..
When I was a Child, a scary man came into my house. I knocked him out with my Baseball Bat, and he went to Prison.  :)

 :hurray: Exactly what I am trying to say Panda

also a life shouldn't compensate for property.

plus would you enjoy beating the crap out of him and then have him go to jail? :D
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: chris. on February 23, 2008, 11:46:33 pm
USA: A Burglar is in someones home. Slips on some water in the house like a puddle. and gets hurt. take it to court and wins even though he is trespassing.

another dumb one

Burglar is on roof. roof falls in ( or did he fall off... ) and he takes it to Court and Wins.

I think Family will find a way of getting your money if you shoot him with a shotgun.

oh and, Hunting with shotgun?! can you say easy, there no challenge there. just; KAPOWIE!!! Yay dad I killed me a deer!

well duh! it has scattering bullets!   
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: tiderman on February 23, 2008, 11:47:42 pm
Yeah I agree with Watahell.
The world doesnt get better if we get more guns..

If you want prevent burglars, get cameras!
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: [GSF]Darren on February 24, 2008, 12:13:01 am
schfifty, out of interest, do you agree with the death penalty?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: [GSF]Niall on February 24, 2008, 12:54:37 am
what ever happened to using good ol' fists?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: [GSF]Darren on February 24, 2008, 12:58:19 am
aye, cuz you would win "mr Mohammad 'im hard' bruce lee". :devroll:

 lol
om
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Watahell on February 24, 2008, 03:21:34 am
schfifty, you think that having a shotgun means you are fully capable of killing a robber? What about if the robber kills you first?

Reacting to a robbery not only puts you in danger but the people around you too.

What if a stray bullet/fragment hits someone you care about? What if that bullet/fragment comes from your own gun?

Ever thought about that?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Pandalink on February 24, 2008, 03:24:14 am
What if you shoot, it bounces off your PC (breaking it), misses the robber and hits you straight in the balls?
Ever thought about that? (I bet you haven't ;))

But seriously - with any gun, but especially a shotgun, the whole stray bullet/fragment factor is high risk, particularly in a small space.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on February 24, 2008, 06:33:00 am
Yeah I agree with Watahell.
The world doesnt get better if we get more guns..

If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns ;)
schfifty, out of interest, do you agree with the death penalty?
In some cases, I do (a serial killer for instance).
schfifty, you think that having a shotgun means you are fully capable of killing a robber? What about if the robber kills you first?

Reacting to a robbery not only puts you in danger but the people around you too.

What if a stray bullet/fragment hits someone you care about? What if that bullet/fragment comes from your own gun?

Ever thought about that?

I would much rather have a gun to atleast intimidate the armed robber so I could atleast turn the tables on him. In most cases, I would probably handle that situation like this: I first would tell my family to back away and hide or something. Also, no one would follow the guy with a shot gun if he has an intent to shoot at someone with a gun; if they are smart they won't put themselves in danger too. Therefore, this would minimize secondhand gun wounds.

But seriously - with any gun, but especially a shotgun, the whole stray bullet/fragment factor is high risk, particularly in a small space.

The whole bullet spray thing isn't as big as you think. In other words, it isn't like games play it out to be. It also depends on what kind of rounds you are using. A bird shot will have a large spread over a large distance. A slug, not as much. And you couldn't have it more wrong about the small space thing. The pellets will spread into a larger area over a larger distance. Shotguns are primarily used in close quarters because of their effectiveness in smaller areas. You wouldn't want to shoot an enemy with 100 bbs in 100 different places all over the body. You would want them all to go to a certain area. Also, unless you shoot against metal, most of the pellets will sink into the wall.

Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Boxy on February 29, 2008, 04:24:00 am
Well, I got an iPod nano...
I needed it for running and drumming so I dont mind, My dad said he would get me a gun next christmas anyway.

INstead of a gun now, i have a razor sharp pocket knife in my room so when a guy comes in at night, go jackie chand and throw the knife at him (trust me I know how to.)

ANyways my dad offered me a 20 gauge gun, so that wouldn't do much.  ANyways my family already has a gun, so my dad would be first to react. 
Off topic, IM training my self how to take a pistol out of a attacker's hands when he points it at you, and its going well.

Oh and to watahell, the world won't get better, it's time to accept that.  Our math class (me, this kid, and a teacher.) were debating on how to stop war.

I went strate up and said nuke untill we get our demands  :evil:
No nuking in Uk or Europe, im saying Iraq and shit places like that.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Hafford on February 29, 2008, 04:30:52 am
Can never have enough guns, shoulda got a shotgun, but I live in a rural area of the USA, Maine, I don't know about where you live.. Guns are for fun, not always for death of another human being, find a squirrel, or a crow.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on February 29, 2008, 04:55:44 am
Can never have enough guns, shoulda got a shotgun, but I live in a rural area of the USA, Maine, I don't know about where you live.. Guns are for fun, not always for death of another human being, find a squirrel, or a crow.

Finally someone who agrees!
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: [GSF]Darren on February 29, 2008, 06:25:30 pm
Can never have enough guns, shoulda got a shotgun, but I live in a rural area of the USA, Maine, I don't know about where you live.. Guns are for fun, not always for death of another human being, find a squirrel, or a crow.

thats still evil. why kill an animal?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Gandalf on February 29, 2008, 06:49:27 pm
Rules of hunting is to never shoot a gun unless you have a clear sight of your prey. Otherwise you end up like Dick Cheney.

A professional burglar will see instantly if you are used to handle a gun and know his chances. In case you are insecure,you are in more danger than he is. Having a gun is nothing without the training and the mentality to actually use it against another human.

If guns are outlawed, it will stop a lot of unnecesary accidents and violence. Not all, but a lot.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on February 29, 2008, 08:16:59 pm
Again...if guns are outlaws, how are we supposed to protect ourselves from the people who do have guns? Are we supposed to cower in a corner while the man steals our precious items? I think not. Simply, if guns are outlawed, only the bad people will have the guns.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Pandalink on February 29, 2008, 08:32:55 pm
Shootings are so uncommon in the UK, when I was in the US on the news I was so surprised that there was, like, at least one shooting reported a week.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: [GSF]Darren on February 29, 2008, 11:31:51 pm
Again...if guns are outlaws, how are we supposed to protect ourselves from the people who do have guns? Are we supposed to cower in a corner while the man steals our precious items? I think not. Simply, if guns are outlawed, only the bad people will have the guns.

that is quite a conservative view, isnt it?
well, in poorer districts, they feel the impact of this crime a lot more than you probably do.
that is the problem with politicians, they attempt to get to the root of problems and change things, but they generally dont understand what theyre trying to change.
out of interest, is there much gun crime in your area?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Gandalf on March 01, 2008, 12:17:32 am
Again...if guns are outlaws, how are we supposed to protect ourselves from the people who do have guns? Are we supposed to cower in a corner while the man steals our precious items? I think not. Simply, if guns are outlawed, only the bad people will have the guns.
Have you ever heard about guys that are called cops ?
Oh wait I have seen the US cop chase shows  :rofl: Guess you are right...they are worthless so people have no protection at all from guys with guns.

Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: VMNT on March 01, 2008, 01:43:29 am
thats still evil. why kill an animal?



Pests...
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Hafford on March 01, 2008, 01:56:59 am
Outlawing guns would cause more violence then it would a decrease of crime, people arn't going to give up their guns, we don't always own guns for the destruction of our fellow humans, we may kill some pests, or kill for some food.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on March 01, 2008, 04:41:40 am
Have you ever heard about guys that are called cops ?
Oh wait I have seen the US cop chase shows  :rofl: Guess you are right...they are worthless so people have no protection at all from guys with guns.



Gandalf, I have to agree with you on this one...the cops in my area are EXTREMELY useless. A punk kid could light a firecracker in a secluded alley in my town and a cop would write him a ticket while some lady was getting robbed right in front of him.
that is quite a conservative view, isnt it?
well, in poorer districts, they feel the impact of this crime a lot more than you probably do.
that is the problem with politicians, they attempt to get to the root of problems and change things, but they generally dont understand what theyre trying to change.
out of interest, is there much gun crime in your area?

For one, I can't say that I do feel the impact of gun crimes...however, I am fairly sure that the people who do feel impact would want to have some protection. Number two, you are calling me a politician because you think I don't understand this matter? So you probably then, wouldn't understand outlawing guns as a liberal politician. BTW, there is not much gun crime in my area, however I live in a town of 10,000 and a lot of those people are old or children. Most people have a gun, but never have to use it.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Watahell on March 01, 2008, 04:22:54 pm
in 2006 there was a voting to decide if guns would be outlawed or not in Brazil. The answer was an utterly uber NO.
The main reason is that there was no point to forbid it to people that follow the laws, while leaving criminals getting those guns illegally. HOWEVER, it's VERY unusual to see a normal citizen in Brazil that has a gun.

I can understand the purpose of having a gun IF you live in a rural area, since it's rare to see the police there, and also hunting there is understandable if you do it for a living or to protect yourself from agressive animals (Which is very rare situation). Hunting for fun/sport is totally against my conception (which of course, is different from other people's) as I think that is one of the factors that contribute to ruin our fauna. Also, think it this way: (this may be really hard): Imagine I'm the hunter and you the animal, I think hunting is fun and I have no respect for your life, and you have to run like hell if you don't want one of the bullets on your ass. Good Luck.

Well, I got an iPod nano...
I needed it for running and drumming so I dont mind, My dad said he would get me a gun next christmas anyway.

INstead of a gun now, i have a razor sharp pocket knife in my room so when a guy comes in at night, go jackie chand and throw the knife at him (trust me I know how to.)

ANyways my dad offered me a 20 gauge gun, so that wouldn't do much.  ANyways my family already has a gun, so my dad would be first to react. 
Off topic, IM training my self how to take a pistol out of a attacker's hands when he points it at you, and its going well.

Oh and to watahell, the world won't get better, it's time to accept that.  Our math class (me, this kid, and a teacher.) were debating on how to stop war.

I went strate up and said nuke untill we get our demands  :evil:
No nuking in Uk or Europe, im saying Iraq and shit places like that.

I'm glad you understood my point and made a wise choice. :hurray:

Except... for that last paragraph...

Iraq isn't a shit country. Actually, no country is. All countries have their importance, culture and individuality. No country is superior than another in those aspects. (Maybe importance, but only on some cases).



Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Dark/Light on March 01, 2008, 04:27:23 pm
No wonder gun crime is so rife over there. A gun, and a shotgun at that, for a 12 year old is quite rediculous.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Gandalf on March 01, 2008, 05:21:48 pm
Shifter you had to agree iwth one or the other which I put, not a fair choice.
I still remember when in the UK there was indignation over the fact that the 'Bobby's' would start wearing a gun, as their presence alone was no longer enough to get respect.
In the US there has always been the 'free spirit' where people would settle their differences rather without the law stepping in.

Europe has it much easier as with less space there are less areas where it is impossible to uphold the law. On the other hand, Russia outlaws guns as well.
The good thing about it is that it is real easy for the cops to separate the good guys from the bad guys....
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Watahell on March 01, 2008, 08:13:39 pm
It's Schfifty Ronnel, not Shifter :lol:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: [GSF]Darren on March 01, 2008, 11:43:54 pm
For one, I can't say that I do feel the impact of gun crimes...however, I am fairly sure that the people who do feel impact would want to have some protection. Number two, you are calling me a politician because you think I don't understand this matter? So you probably then, wouldn't understand outlawing guns as a liberal politician. BTW, there is not much gun crime in my area, however I live in a town of 10,000 and a lot of those people are old or children. Most people have a gun, but never have to use it.

Well, the answer doesnt lie in violence. remember the wise words of Gandhi...
I wasnt calling YOU a politician. i was merely incinuating that THEY dont understand.
How wouldnt i. my uncle IS a liberal politician, and i have discussed issues such as this with him many a time. I think i understand quite well - not fully - but well
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on March 03, 2008, 08:36:51 pm
It's Schfifty Ronnel, not Shifter :lol:

Lol I was really confused when I was reading Gandalfs post. Well I think that we can probably agree to disagree since we have gone even further in the off topic section and started doing double off topicness. But I understand that you guys have your good points and I have mine so lets just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Abraham on March 03, 2008, 08:41:58 pm
thats still evil. why kill an animal?
hypocrite.
You eat meat, don't you?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: stiffler2100 on March 03, 2008, 08:48:44 pm
i was a vegetarian for 2 years and then i ate some chicken, i stopped eating meat caus it upset me to see an animal get slaughtered so i decided if i don't like that i shouldn't eat meat:D
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: [GSF]Darren on March 03, 2008, 08:50:11 pm
hypocrite.
You eat meat, don't you?

if you had taken it in context, youd have realised i meant killing for fun/sport.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Gandalf on March 03, 2008, 10:42:37 pm
i was a vegetarian for 2 years and then i ate some chicken, i stopped eating meat caus it upset me to see an animal get slaughtered so i decided if i don't like that i shouldn't eat meat:D
Animals are not only killed for meat... and besides that we are predators. A lion is much more sloppy in killing than people.  ;)

* Think of ho many polyesters are killed for one sweater....
* Plants have feelings too.. no more cotton or using fig leaves....
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Boxy on March 04, 2008, 12:50:26 am
in 2006 there was a voting to decide if guns would be outlawed or not in Brazil. The answer was an utterly uber NO.
The main reason is that there was no point to forbid it to people that follow the laws, while leaving criminals getting those guns illegally. HOWEVER, it's VERY unusual to see a normal citizen in Brazil that has a gun.

I can understand the purpose of having a gun IF you live in a rural area, since it's rare to see the police there, and also hunting there is understandable if you do it for a living or to protect yourself from agressive animals (Which is very rare situation). Hunting for fun/sport is totally against my conception (which of course, is different from other people's) as I think that is one of the factors that contribute to ruin our fauna. Also, think it this way: (this may be really hard): Imagine I'm the hunter and you the animal, I think hunting is fun and I have no respect for your life, and you have to run like hell if you don't want one of the bullets on your ass. Good Luck.

I'm glad you understood my point and made a wise choice. :hurray:

Except... for that last paragraph...

Iraq isn't a shit country. Actually, no country is. All countries have their importance, culture and individuality. No country is superior than another in those aspects. (Maybe importance, but only on some cases).






No I didn't see your point, guns are a traditional object that will remain with us forever...

Case and Point, Fuck your gun protesting, when I get older, Im goin to buy a mac 11, very expensive and cost money and time to get a Class III License, but whatever
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Anto on March 04, 2008, 01:26:36 am
It is absolutely ridiculous that a parent would opt to buy a 12 gauge shotgun for their 12 year old son, come on people the kid probably hasn't even learned how to masturbate never mind shoot a powerful piece of equipment like a gun, that can end someone's life with the flick of the trigger, let alone a mistake, which can happen often.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on March 04, 2008, 01:43:35 am
His dad probably did what my dad did for me

"Ill buy you a gun, but its gonna stay up here so your sneaky little fingers cant touch it" when i was smaller :lol:

My Grandfather let me shoot his Desert Eagle on his farm when i was 8 (with him holding the stock of the gun to help with recoil)
I felt like a badass all week.

I was walkin around in school with my chest all puffed out like "Yea..." :lol:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on March 04, 2008, 02:25:28 am
* Plants have feelings too..

I am pretty sure I pissed off some Poison Ivy once...it spread all over my body  :weed: :lol:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Abraham on March 04, 2008, 10:50:04 am
Animals are not only killed for meat... and besides that we are predators. A lion is much more sloppy in killing than people.  ;)

* Think of ho many polyesters are killed for one sweater....
* Plants have feelings too.. no more cotton or using fig leaves....
1. Yes, we are predators. This is the nr.1 reason why I am a vegetarian, and have been since I was 9 years old (yes, my own choice.) I am the only vegetarian in my whole family, and I only know one other vegetarian, but I'm never with her so doesn't count.
Anyways... Humans are predators, yet we "farm" animals? That's not right. If the case where that we actually hunter the animals that we eat, I'd eat meat. But I do not like the fact of farming other animals. - Now please bear in mind that humans are animals too.

And about the vegetables being farmed, It is a whole other thing. Plants has yet to show us any kind of affection, feelings or anything. Pigs for example have and still do. I mean, in china they even eat dead kids, I don't know the name of it... They torture dogs cause they think it will taste better.
And if plants start talking 'n stuff, I'd stop eating plants too, and find something else to eat. Or just hunt / farm it myself.

Simple as that. And killing animals for fun is in my opinion much better then farming them and then slaughtering them.

Oh and ofc. You can buy a pigs ass at the nearest shop, woho for humanity!
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Gandalf on March 04, 2008, 02:19:20 pm
Abraham, I hope that you are a Vegan, not a vegetarian. Otherwise it is kind of hypocrite.
For instance refusing to eat meat because of farming, but wearing leather, eating fish that are farmed as well or eating eggs.
If you keep it real, my respect to you, it is always good to do what you believe in.

Farming is what has made it possible for humans to stay in one place instead of following the animals to gather food. Once we stayed in one place , there was enough time to start talking, writing and develop new ideas. Without the concept of farming we would never be writing this.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: stiffler2100 on March 04, 2008, 02:35:07 pm
i was a vegetarian because your eating flesh of an animal....not the skin of a potato u cant compare the 2, plants cant think for themselves, they don't cry, they are never happy, where as animals cry and can be happy. no I'm not one of those people who are like SAVE THE ANIMALS just i agree on that part...although I'm not a vegetarian anymore lol.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: [GSF]Darren on March 04, 2008, 06:57:52 pm
if plants have NO feelings, then why do they respond if you talk to them?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: stiffler2100 on March 04, 2008, 07:06:45 pm
lol is that some kind of joke? plants respond?! i have a family of turnips
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: PMP on March 04, 2008, 07:09:36 pm
They close european market to brazilian food cause they were molesting the animals too much.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: stiffler2100 on March 04, 2008, 07:10:19 pm
They close european market to brazilian food cause they were molesting the animals too much.

sounds horny
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Abraham on March 04, 2008, 07:17:18 pm
if plants have NO feelings, then why do they respond if you talk to them?
Omg...
When you breath out you "deposit" a kind of air, I don't know the english word, but I think it's called Koldioxid (swedish). The plants need this kind of "air" to survive. So that's why they say you should talk to your plants and they will grow happy.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Abraham on March 04, 2008, 07:33:16 pm
Abraham, I hope that you are a Vegan, not a vegetarian. Otherwise it is kind of hypocrite.
For instance refusing to eat meat because of farming, but wearing leather, eating fish that are farmed as well or eating eggs.
If you keep it real, my respect to you, it is always good to do what you believe in.
I'm a, I believe it's called... "lacto vegetarian" or something like that.
No, I do not wear leather, or dead animals.

Yes, I do eat fish, yes I do eat eggs, Yes I do eat butter and I eat cheese.
Why? Because if I didn't I would have to eat pills. - I am still a child, my body has not yet finished growing. Therefor I need a "substance" found in meat and fish. So I chose to eat fish instead of meat.

Fish is NOT farmed like pigs for example are. Fishes live free their whole life, then humans "hunt" (Go out with boats and catch them in huge nets) them down, and we eat them.
About butter and cheese, there's a substance in that wich I need aswell for my bones to grow stronger.

Also, you have to respect the fact that I was 8 years old when I first started talking about being a vegan / vegetarian. But I was told not to, and when I was 9 I completely refused to eat any kind of meat, but I was forced to eat fish, eggs, milk etc. I have talked about being a Vegan for very long, and will probably be once I turn 20' something.

Not to mention, People eat this farmed meat EVERY DAY. And fish is being eaten maybe... 1-2 times a week? Myself, I only eat fish... 1-2 times every month. I also do not drink milk at all.

And last but not least, I am the only one who is a vegetarian in my whole family, my mother I believe was aswell when she was 16-18 but then stopped. Now, this means that me and my mother where the first in my whole family history whom refused to eat meat. And my father who is a great meat eater, loves meat always has wasn't really suportive at the beggining, not to mention my grandmother...

I think it's really wrong of you to accuse me of being a hypocrite, as unlike you or most of the people here I actually try to do my best.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Abraham on March 04, 2008, 07:35:50 pm
BACK ON TOPIC!

iPODS RULES, LISTEN TO MUSIC WHILE BEATING OLD LADIES!!!
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Gandalf on March 04, 2008, 08:14:10 pm

I think it's really wrong of you to accuse me of being a hypocrite, as unlike you or most of the people here I actually try to do my best.
If you are serious about being vegan/vegetarian, check out the Hindu and Taoist food. They have a very long history of not eating meat or even fish, and have great taste and variations of food. As for cheese/butter (as long as you need it) with a little effort you might be able to find a farm where this is produced 'old fasioned' style. While the animals there will still end up on a plate, the small scale makes that the farmers care for the animals better, and the products will taste better as well.

As I said if you are genuinely making the effort, you have my respect. Just as when I will eat with a group of Hindu people and they ask if they should order some meat, I will refuse. While I see no personal reason to give it up, there is nothing against leaving meat off the menu when eating with vegetarians.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Abraham on March 04, 2008, 08:51:56 pm
If you are serious about being vegan/vegetarian, check out the Hindu and Taoist food. They have a very long history of not eating meat or even fish, and have great taste and variations of food. As for cheese/butter (as long as you need it) with a little effort you might be able to find a farm where this is produced 'old fasioned' style. While the animals there will still end up on a plate, the small scale makes that the farmers care for the animals better, and the products will taste better as well.
And are much more expensive :) - we are a family of 4 people, one parent and three children. We all live of her salary (Very small, it's just above minimum) so even if I wanted to be a vegan at this time, or eat "good" cheese/butter, I couldn't. Cause we wouldn't afford it :P

But one day, when I grow rich *cough* and old as Gandalf! I will be a vegan who eats hindues!
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: [GSF]Darren on March 04, 2008, 09:09:53 pm
we went from talking about ipods, to gun crime, to eating habits.  :devroll: lol...
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: PMP on March 04, 2008, 11:29:21 pm
we went from talking about ipods, to gun crime, to eating habits.  :devroll: lol...
One thing leads to another...
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: chris. on March 05, 2008, 01:19:33 am
Hurray for triple off topic!!! :hurray:

 by now the 12 year old has his Shotgun that Shoots ipods... now theres an Idea! :D

/me gets hit by ibrick D:  :hit:
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on March 05, 2008, 01:42:31 am
Now we should argue about what the best vegetable is!

 /me hears click of gun cocking near my head
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: stiffler2100 on March 05, 2008, 03:52:01 pm
the best vegetable is you:P
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: PMP on March 05, 2008, 03:56:08 pm
the best vegetable is you:P
awwww....
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on March 06, 2008, 03:59:47 am
the best vegetable is you:P
Look at my avatar stiffler...see the guy with no stomach anymore? He called me a carrot... hehe jk dude...but seriously if you really are going to call me a veggie...which one would I be?
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: stiffler2100 on March 06, 2008, 12:20:47 pm
a turnip.
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: schfifty on March 06, 2008, 02:05:49 pm
I Wanted to be A SUNFLOWER! (see avatar) lol
Title: Re: Ipod or shotgun
Post by: Dark/Light on March 10, 2008, 01:40:43 pm
This thread's a joke, as well as the OP's choice of presents.

Shotgun at 12, "I'm so cool!!!!!".
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