Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Groups & Families => Clans, Groups & Families => Groups and Families Archive => Topic started by: Kowalski on February 15, 2007, 07:29:59 pm
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Hello. There isn't any Ideas Section in San Andreas Section, so I write this Idea here.
Gangs can have Terrirories. I'm ready with the Los Santos Areas now only. All takeable Territories get an ID. If the Gang want take over a Territory and nobody owns it, the Gang must play a War against someone. If the Gang want take a Territory over, but someone owns it, then the Gang must talk with the Enemy and speak the Time of the War. (If the Server will be have an Event Server, the Wars will be there.) The Sides must wait min. 3 Days to can start the War. Before the War starts, an Admin must come to Game and check the War. If all Players died in a Side the other Side won the Territory. The Admin closes War and give Permission to write the Territory with the Winners Color in the Map. I'm thinking about how can Territories be important. There is one Map:
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If a Gang won there will posted here.
Gangs:
Not any registred Gangs.
Posted on: January 20, 2007, 12:19:12 AM
I added a Poll. Vote there please.
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This should be discussed more detailed, then just a story...
I'll not hide, that the idea of gangs is supported by me... Or it is not a San Andreas...
But... As I was thinking about this idea, I got a lot of problems to manage it to the sence...
Lets open discussion...
First of all your post...
1. Gangs can have Terrirories.
What is the point for the gang to have a territory???
2. If the Gang want take over a Territory and nobody owns it, the Gang must play a War against someone.
Against whom???
3. (If the Server will be have an Event Server, the Wars will be there.)
SAMP has more possibilities then MTA, so I do not think the event server will be needed...
4. Before the War starts, an Admin must come to Game and check the War.
I would like admins to be out of this procedure... The reasons are: more slots, a lot of work...
So I have a questions...
1. What gives to the gang the owning of the territory?
2. Can the gang kill anyone who got on their territory?
3. Can the gang demand to leave their territory everyone who gets in?
4. What is the police procedure during the gang wars and on a gang territories?
5. Who will give the territories to the gangs when it is not owned yet?
Note: I do not want admins take part in it for controlling, etc... So it should be organized as well as it can be...
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1. What gives to the gang the owning of the territory?
2. Can the gang kill anyone who got on their territory?
3. Can the gang demand to leave their territory everyone who gets in?
4. What is the police procedure during the gang wars and on a gang territories?
5. Who will give the territories to the gangs when it is not owned yet?
im going to answer this.. i have a Gang with Territory...
1. if the owner of the Gang Owns it or the owner has a member in the gang that owns it and has Given permission to use it
2.No
3. No - they can request
4. I dont know
5. They Gang can claim owner ship but it will not be legit.. EG. ICSU owns Fortbaxter and has Claimed Land of Escobar as well.. the Escobar land May be taken over
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Watti if you have no answers why post here???
From all my questions you did not answer properly on anyone...
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1. What gives to the gang the owning of the territory?
Prehaps gang members could spawn at their territory.
2. Can the gang kill anyone who got on their territory?
It would depend if said person is in a gang. If its an allyed or neutral gang, Then no. If they are in an enemy gang, Yes they could (But they would still get wanted.)
3. Can the gang demand to leave their territory everyone who gets in?
Read above answer.
4. What is the police procedure during the gang wars and on a gang territories?
Most likely to try too stop the war at all costs ( :war:), But it could vary depending on the size and threat of said gang.
5. Who will give the territories to the gangs when it is not owned yet?
They should have too apply for the territory. Maybe a section in the fourms?
So are they in or out?
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to the 5th question: the first who'll buy there a property, or the gang who has more properties there
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1. "Prehaps gang members could spawn at their territory."
They will from the begining...
Citizens skins we cannot give to spawn on gangs territories...
2. "It would depend if said person is in a gang. If its an allyed or neutral gang, Then no. If they are in an enemy gang, Yes they could (But they would still get wanted.)"
So there goes a guy, and gang shoots him, he is like "wtf, deathmatchers", they answer - we decided you are our enemy...
Think again about it...
3. Suppose there is a shop, gang gets a territory with this shop... And demand to pay money to them... A player denies it... What gang will do? deathmatch him constantly?
Gang starts a war on other gang, comes police, kills all, gang kills other gang, cops, then spawn again and again... This you suppose a good roleplay?
But...
The question is NOT in how to organize a gang war...
We can find the solution...
The question is: you have a gang and territory... and? What gives you a holding a territory?
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OK so i think they easiest way to make a gangwar is by EVENT. for example, kowa an me wanna have a gangwar. We ask u an other admins. U let us have a gangwar at a time for example every sunday from 13:30-14:30 argonath gangwar event, where gangs get territory, territory, not about killing ppl, thats a part of RPG, getting protection money (one way of money making atm too). and ppl will pay for protection. why? other gangs! Aragorn trust me if u let us just TRY out gangwars with territories, and if there is any deathmatching from them, u clear them as an event. pls pls pls ;)
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I can repeat - to make a gang war is not a problem for administration in organizing it...
But once again:
The point of gangs... Territories...
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......territory, not about killing ppl, thats a part of RPG, getting protection money (one way of money making atm too). and ppl will pay for protection. why? other gangs!...
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How will you get people to pay you money?
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they can be attacked/robbed by other gangs, so if they pay protection money they call that gang, an the gang solves the problem.
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While they will solve the problem, he will be killed...
Gang can take part in protecting from dmers for example, but not to ruin the business on RPG server, or none will open business...
So think more what is the point...
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erh i dont know gimme sum time im thinking :cool:
Posted on: March 04, 2007, 12:34:29 PM
OK i got it, so for example my Gang the GLS rules 15 territories in LS
Kowalski's gang rules 14 and =GU= rules 13. So GLS is the biggest,and the best gang in Argonath because they own the most territories. Other gangs should fight with GLS in gangwars to gain the "Best Argonath RPG Gang" place.Howewer if =GU= wants to beat GLS they need to beat Kowalski's gang the HM before they can fight with GLS. Like a race at gangs. This should give goals to gangs, and many ppl wants territories so many ppl should be happy^^
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But then people will abuse it and kill members of the other gang 24/7 :hit:
I say gangwars are ok and fun once in a while but under certain circumstances... Like when the gang is having a gang war it will be scheduled on a certain day on which the server will have a temporary password until the gang war is done. The passwrod will be told to the trusted members of the gang.
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no Smiley u dont understand lol. u wrote wat i told before. GANGWARS WILL BE ON A FIX TIME. for example every sunday 13:30-14:30 argonath time
so they can't kill 24/7. and no, dont do event server, because just like in real life cops could go an arrest the gang members. civilans will not be allowed but gang members and the incomin police yes.
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More territories - more fight...
Gangs should improve they are the best - with roleplaying and not some legal deathmatching...
still do not see the point... "The best gangs" we can announce and without territories, cos for RPG "the best" does not mean "killed more then others"
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RON are u fully against territories, or just waiting for the BEST point where u change ur mind and let us have territory. i'm sorry but i cant tell more points of this. these points should come out if u let gangs territory and see wat happens. i know u cant do this because the much players could get in trouble (dmer gangs attack them etc) but it could be fun. and wat if we say if a gang owns most properties in an area, it'll be their territory, added to the map with their color? no attacking, no fighting for territory, thats only for fun i think thats why we play, i know its a lot of work makin these territories, but as u can see on the first post kowa started it, and i'll help him if needed... think about it... while ur thinkin im thinkin about more points lol :)
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The thing is:
1. Gangwars are deathmatching thingy (fighting with the weapons - more kill score - winner).
If we'll allow gang wars, our server will be not already RPG... But as in real life there can be gang wars - we are not against it only we need a good reason...
2. The Argonath administration will not make scripts about nothing... It means every script should have more or less usefull usage... Just for being "the best gang" is not a policy of making scripts on Argonath... Especcially using deathmatch mode...
Yes, I need to see the useful usage of gang wars, without deathmatching...
Or it will be just a server with the teaming deathmatch...
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okay forget the territory i see i cant talk u on this, but... I didnt want u to make scripts. only a topic in forum ur somthing. Ok so gang war, this could be a tournament, like an event, it would go under heavy admin guarding so nobody whos innocent could die there. u know it can be fun. dont need to do scripts, just to make it as an event, and maybe, this could be added to the TV-s in SA houses too ^_^
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Gang Territories don't need too be written in the game. We are all mature enough (I hope) too agree on who owns what territory. Same for gang wars, We don't need scripts for them, That would only waste writters time. I'm sure the leaders of all the gangs could come up with good ideas and divide the territorys.
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One solution can be let the originals territories in the game:
Posted on: March 19, 2007, 08:54:56 PM
One solution can be let the originals territories in the game:
Los Santos
The Yellow zone is the Vagos county.
The green zone is the Families county.
The Purple zone is the Ballas conty.
The Blue zone is the Aztecas county.
San Fierro
The White Zone is the Rifa County.
The Red Zone is the Triads HQ because this band have a casino too and operate in all San Andreas.
The Orange Zone is the Vietnam Gangster Zone.
This is a possible solution but if dont like it...
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Yea,i agree with Pinin.There could be those colors,anyway i liked this gang war/teritory thingy...Gangs shouldn`t kill civilians-its dming,only other gang members,but not too much too.Gangs could protect civilians bussiness in their teritory,like if the civilian has bussiness in gangs teritory,and he gets the money from it,that money should be transported from one place to the bussines place.Gangs could protect this "harvesting" from other gangs attack.And gangs should rival with police(police can help "harvesting" too but gangs could make lower price you know.This could be great economic thingy :cool: .And i want something with drugs.it has to be in this server,but i dont know what exacly right now...will update later
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im going to answer this.. i have a Gang with Territory...
1. if the owner of the Gang Owns it or the owner has a member in the gang that owns it and has Given permission to use it
2.No
3. No - they can request
4. I dont know
5. They Gang can claim owner ship but it will not be legit.. EG. ICSU owns Fortbaxter and has Claimed Land of Escobar as well.. the Escobar land May be taken over
Gang members can't attack evryone in their terretorie ? do they ?
Then WHY are they doing it ?
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1. "Prehaps gang members could spawn at their territory."
They will from the begining...
Citizens skins we cannot give to spawn on gangs territories...
2. "It would depend if said person is in a gang. If its an allyed or neutral gang, Then no. If they are in an enemy gang, Yes they could (But they would still get wanted.)"
So there goes a guy, and gang shoots him, he is like "wtf, deathmatchers", they answer - we decided you are our enemy...
Think again about it...
3. Suppose there is a shop, gang gets a territory with this shop... And demand to pay money to them... A player denies it... What gang will do? deathmatch him constantly?
Gang starts a war on other gang, comes police, kills all, gang kills other gang, cops, then spawn again and again... This you suppose a good roleplay?
But...
The question is NOT in how to organize a gang war...
We can find the solution...
The question is: you have a gang and territory... and? What gives you a holding a territory?
as first i think every gang has to have one small hood that can not be taken over, if they want to get it bigger they have to earn teritories, and ron, teritories would be fine to run ur bizznes on so you can use your gang as bodyguards for ur bizznes, and it gives respect if a gang owns a big territory, and about the spawning, there should be a rule that you cannot return to a gang war if you die
Niels;)
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yes, we need a why to have hoods and stuff. The LVA wants the one in LVA but we are getting harrested by Dave and Kerr and a lot of AV about it, why can't we have our hood? Also yes when you die you cannot be in the main gang war and also if you gang declares war on another your entire gang must be your gang's skin and not a cop
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I thought about the wars and territories. The territories are ok. You get nothing from them, only respect. "We did beat a gang and won a territory.". That gives your gang respect. The problems are with the wars. Where should they will be? That's killing - not alllowed. I have a server with pretty 20 slots. The wars can be there. I'll make a special gamemode for gangwars. So the wars can be there. If the administration will accept, I'll make the gamemode and you will get ideas about the special effects. You can check the poll, 14 votes on "This is a part of RPG". Plz someone accept it. :neutral:
Kowalski
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I think thats a great idea, bring the war to ur server and have a max of 8 vs 8 and you of course kowa will be there and a couple of main admins if they wish
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I find gangwars for territories a little bit to much deathmatch.
So just keep the gangwars being held to earn respect.
And yes gangwars are a part of rpg, but attacking Enemies in your own territory is a little bit to DM,
Thats all i want to say.
:ps: Yes, to explain things you want to say if your not english is sometimes hard.
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Example:
The X gang provokated the Y gang. They make a gangwar in the Jefferson area. The X gang won. After the Y members go in the Jefferson area. The X gangmembers can't say: "hey get out it's our turf" or shoot at Y members. This is only for respect. A race. The Y members can't shoot at X members, ohh we will won back our territory. They have chance, request a gangwar. So if I'm X and I go into Y territory, Y can't kill me.
So the war is better TDM, but it won't play on RPG server.
Kowalski :cowb:
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to make a gang war with scripts, that would be controlled by admin - no problem...
Again... Gang won a territory... What is the next? Respect? From whom sorry...
"This is our territory - get out or you will be killed!" - this is the thing that stops developers...
We already saw how you, guys, started attacking every one, who came on "your" territory... Or how you demanded people to leave your territory, even cops... Mostly, when you saw a cop - all gang starts shooting...
This you wanna bring on server? No way...
So think again - what will give you gangs territories - and will it be really controlled roleplaying - or just some team deathmatch shit...
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The gang wars and areas are the most hard to make it awesome. I'm sure we would make something great with them, but how, this's the hard. We have an indefinied answer, what we don't know. This comes from merge my ideas with some Roleplay and RON's plans. We need to get this answer, otherwise we can't controll the areas, and how RON said, chaos. Untill we don't know this, I won't want gangwars, but everybody, who has ideas, write it here. You can help us to get what we're looking for.
I think I'll make a group, who's suppose will be simple, make the gangwars the best. You can join and help us. It's for us. Join and help us find the unfindable!
Kowalski :cowb:
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gang wars are a good idea athough they should be organised and should have a certain amount of people on each side. :war:
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Gang wars are vital to any RPG with gangs. It just adds that extra exitement. Though they should be orginised a few days in advance, with admin approval and set in a small area of SA. They should also be a list of valid reasons to start a war, so people don't want to wage war just because you don't like them or something.
Just my opinion. It's not deathmatching if it has a valid reason.
Perhaps even a seperate server? I dunno, I'm just spouting ideas.
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good idea i totally agree tice
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Why are they vital too rp? Also, Once again, What use is territorys?
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Why are they vital too rp? Also, Once again, What use is territorys?
If the server accepts gangs based in their server, the gangs must have a point. The territorys will just be about respect, yes, I know Aragorn questioned it, but it makes the gang respect itself, have more confidence. They shouldn't be territorys such as ''hey that guy isnt in our gang but hes in our turf lets all kill him!!1'' but just a new place for the gang to hang out. Sounds pointless I know, but it's what most people (including me) want.
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Territory should be defined as "the land in which that gang owns" This means the area exdending to where there houses are grouped, e.g. a road (like the old mafia turf)...However a shoot on site rule should not be allowed. If a war is to be arranged, then it probably should be in public to make feel realistic after all it is SA. We want police involvement, and if gangwars are scripted there is not really much tp RP.
Its a difficult topic...
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Territory should be defined as "the land in which that gang owns" This means the area exdending to where there houses are grouped, e.g. a road (like the old mafia turf)...However a shoot on site rule should not be allowed. If a war is to be arranged, then it probably should be in public to make feel realistic after all it is SA. We want police involvement, and if gangwars are scripted there is not really much tp RP.
Its a difficult topic...
Nothing needs to be scripted, just everything needs to be orginised in advance.
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Thats what i was getting at. It needs to stay RP , and gang war
Scripting will set boundaries...
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