Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Gandalf on April 20, 2008, 07:25:53 pm
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What do you think ?
As you know we are paying a lot of server ans website bills, and this will add to it. While it's our hobby and we feel proud to offer a home to our players, we must think before we continue to take away money from our own budget. SA:MP has decided to no longer support things by their current means, probably as they are slowly moving away from developing and just want to keep SA:MP running with minimal cost.
They were rewarded for this idea by a number of server owners (some who told 'any jackass can be official' and then quickly put down their cash), instead of turned down.
If we want to be back on the official list, there will be no other option as to pay.
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I voted for "Yes, and I want to contribute for it".
I think that being an official server is a great thing for Argonath RPG as it attracts new players.
-xcasio
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I voted for "Yes, and I want to contribute for it".
I think that being an official server is a great thing for Argonath RPG as it attracts new players.
QFT, completely agree.
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dont care. :)
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It's just a waste of money, the server had a lot of players when the server wasn't official.
I wish i could help pay for it, but i don't have a credit card, and i just don't want to run the risk of my money getting stolen.
"No, but i don't mind."
-Justin
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i say never! because i prefered it when it wasnt on official list.
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I voted 'Never!'
Not because of the hard admin work.
Not because of the 99% raise in hackers, Dm'ers and flamers.
Only because I do not think it is fair that it has to come down to money that we can have a 'better' server, I have my principles, I joined SA:MP knowing it was a free community, where players and server owners only had to pay for the hosting only, not to be on some 'List'
It seems SA:MP has gotten corrupt.
Kill me for my opinion if you wish
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I voted 'Never!'
Not because of the hard admin work.
Not because of the 99% raise in hackers, Dm'ers and flamers.
Only because I do not think it is fair that it has to come down to money that we can have a 'better' server, I have my principles, I joined SA:MP knowing it was a free community, where players and server owners only had to pay for the hosting only, not to be on some 'List'
It seems SA:MP has gotten corrupt.
Kill me for my opinion if you wish
/agree 100%
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I voted 'Never!'
Not because of the hard admin work.
Not because of the 99% raise in hackers, Dm'ers and flamers.
Only because I do not think it is fair that it has to come down to money that we can have a 'better' server, I have my principles, I joined SA:MP knowing it was a free community, where players and server owners only had to pay for the hosting only, not to be on some 'List'
It seems SA:MP has gotten corrupt.
Kill me for my opinion if you wish
agree with you so bad:P
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My opinion is 'Never' aswell...
I totally disagree with the fact they are asking for $40 a month. This is very expensive and it does not offer anything, exept a place in a list, where probably will be 499 more servers. It was good when there were 15 servers. Now they will be 500 and it won't be anything special.
Everyone can give $40 a month and make his server official, even if it has LVDM script ... It is not worth it anymore. If it happens, I will give my best to support the server with money, but I personally think all the SA:MP developers think about is money...
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better pay for not making official...
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SA:MP has followed the path of some other games, and not only paid ones.
Many games have so called 'ranked' servers where you have to pay to the game developers to be on the list.
Including Americas Army, a free game but to be 'ranked' or 'preferred' server you have to pay them.
SA:MP sees it a s a way to guarantee the future of their master list, and this way the future of the game.
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I voted never.
Simple as this, we should not pay for it. Even tho I understand it how the SAMP owners think when they made it.
If I had money, I would probably vote yes and pay for it myself, but that's not the case.
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SA:MP opened a paid official list. Should we be in it ?
No.
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Simply NO,we shouldn't be in it.
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Don't care, you're choice. You are the server owners, we are the server's players/community.
You've made no mistakes so far, all the changes you have made on you're own decision so far have been good choices.
Dave
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I voted never. Not because I think the SAMP team are corrupt somehow, because they need the cash. Kyeman said himself that they're paying hundreds of dollars to keep SAMP online. However, I think the new bunch of official servers will be looked down on by the SAMP community, I mean, read the original thread on the SAMP forums, most people are saying that the new official servers are bad, so I think it'll be a bad decision to be included in that spotlight.
Hm.
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For me its hard to say - would I like to pay or not...
Being official actually did not bring anything except increasing traffic... That has a good side as new comers...
And some feeling to be proud that SA:MP developers decided we deserved to be official...
Now situation is changed... Instead of grand and great servers appeared small and less qualified servers... Should we set ourselves among them? Will it increase a respect to our server which we had while we were official? I think no, as SA:MP community is stable and regular, and all understand that for being official you just need to send money...
Also we have no any information will be developed 0.2.5 version and will there ever be other developing... With this it can look like they just want to make money before leaving SA:MP themselves... Here is other question: should we waste money on it and what it will bring to us as well...
Besides it server was removed from official list without any notification to the owners or contacting - this is "amazing" care about official servers...
So...
From one side - increasing traffic (here we will see how many servers will pay and will be in official list
From other side - We were official server when it was hard to be and we did not get any feelings that we are official... Developers never contacted us, never tried even to talk to us... Nobody cared... If we shall pay we will be among junk servers, that really did nothing to make their servers great and just get up cos they paid to the developers...
Will that beat increasing traffic advantage or not? I have no answer...
I wanted a respectable server that gained respect by our work... Since now looks like nobody cares about it... Money buy everything...
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Well, from the payment point of view, alot of the non-official servers will go "Look! They paid for that, what a bunch of sados"
Know what i mean?
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I wouldn't really care if the server went unofficial again, because there's too many new players that break the rules now and stuff. Although it's nice when the server is official so it will get more popular and it's more like an honour to play in it. :P
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I voted " DOnt care"
Because if its on the list we might get more ppl but still, its a free RPG so ppl might just come to Dm or smt like that
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We should be in it because there is only good things when we are official many players we get but more rule breakers and more regular players. If we need to pay money i will donate for sure.
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I voted "Never" too...
Argonath was 'famous' even before it became official... There were much players playing on it...
But I will try to donate something if needed ;)
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well,
Official = trusted by multiplayer developers
Now this meaning disappeared...
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well,
Official = trusted by multiplayer developers
Now this meaning disappeared...
It has disappeared and has been replaced with the concept of basic bribery......
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It has disappeared and has been replaced with the concept of basic bribery......
I wouldn't go as far as to call it bribery. Sure, there are other ways to make up for some of the cash lost running the SAMP masterservers, but with GTA IV coming out in less then 10 days now, there will be less support for SAMP, but someone has to keep it running.
I've already stated my opinion, though.
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..I think being on the official list has helped bring in new players ..I think people are forgetting that there was a big drop in players just before we were on the official list and that sometimes there were NO players online that was bad ,the 'problems' now: hackers can be banned new players can learn
BUT I voted never because I dont think you should give in to blackmail ..If it was a one time fee ok but 40 monthly just to be on the list ? thats bullshit
its like Anto sais SA:MP is a FREE community thats what makes it so good. the SAMP team arent the only who put in a lot of time ..so do our owners , scripters admins and ofcourse the players without whom there would be no samp WHATS NEXT? Paying for the client ? I say stop it here
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40 a month? dream on! I'll vote for never but the server were really empty sometimes...
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Welcome to MTA:SA :)
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Welcome to MTA:SA :)
Doesn't work on "my" vista.
I even tried everything MTA suggested didn't work.
So, Welcome back to SA:MP Vista users!
:D ;)
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MTA doesnt even work for my xp I tried everything nothing zilch zip Nada
too bad I hear good things about it
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Doesn't work on "my" vista.
I even tried everything MTA suggested didn't work.
So, Welcome back to SA:MP Vista users!
:D ;)
It does work on my Vista...
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No, the SA:MP developers are asking too much...
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No, the SA:MP developers are asking too much...
Maybe not?
Being SAMP devs takes time and money, They did a smart move.
Can't really blame them, but I know I wont pay for it...
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The smart move would be contacting all official servers owners and explain the situation... I am sure servers owners could handle it and probably invite several servers in team that are good ranked and are not against to share the payment together and have all the same rights...
And not throw out official servers...
I dunno, I think thats a reason why none of old servers supported it - just a sign as disagreement with attitude from developers...
The smart move could be also make banners system for servers owners... Wanna promote your server - make a banner to be hosted - does not force you be official but can increase traffic...
There are many ways how to cover the servers prices...
I dunno if you will understand me, but there is one thing that calls "human's factor"... Not only money...
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I dunno if you will understand me, but there is one thing that calls "human's factor"... Not only money...
understand ;)
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Paying to be on the official list is kinda like cheating to win a championship... It doesn't mean anything.
I say leave it, and be proud of how good the server will do independently.
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Sure they could have brought it to the previously official servers in another way, or have improvised to pay their expenses.
And, yes, the way they are doing this is done in a somewhat direspectful way.
But I guess what's done is done, ee shouldn't need to pay to be in it, we're better then that.
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the problem is that if you look at the internet list then we are not always on there OR hard to find between the other servers
I am still against paying but I think we should do something if we want to keep a steady playerbase
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the problem is that if you look at the internet list then we are not always on there OR hard to find between the other servers
I am still against paying but I think we should do something if we want to keep a steady playerbase
Argonath stands out okay, I think, I notice it more because it doesn't have a load of funky characters in it like most server names do now :roll:
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The thing is that when new player connects to SA:MP and sees "official servers" he expects that this servers are mature, good admined and do not allow some "dirty" stuffs, good controlled by developers, provide developers policy and there you can find people from official stuff...
Because commercial servers have ANY kind of ranks in multiplayers but NOT "official" its a wRONg meaning or whatever...
By making paid official status that is why it looks for many as corruption...
They could at least find other name for commercial promoted servers...
I think here came misunderstanding between SA:MP developers and old official servers owners...
Also they could at least tell us, owners of official servers before even announcing the new policy... In this way I do not understand then what we were before... Because as official server we should get the developers news about new policy before others...
About your "lost in servers" - players usually sort by amount of players... And if server is popular - it will not have problems with amounts of new players...
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The thing is that when new player connects to SA:MP and sees "official servers" he expects that this servers are mature, good admined and do not allow some "dirty" stuffs, good controlled by developers, provide developers policy and there you can find people from official stuff...
Because commercial servers have ANY kind of ranks in multiplayers but NOT "official" its a wRONg meaning or whatever...
By making paid official status that is why it looks for many as corruption...
They could at least find other name for commercial promoted servers...
I think here came misunderstanding between SA:MP developers and old official servers owners...
Also they could at least tell us, owners of official servers before even announcing the new policy... In this way I do not understand then what we were before...
About your "lost in servers" - players usually sort by amount of players... And if server is popular - it will not have problems with amounts of new players...
Kudos...
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I see that even a popular deathmatch server only has 39 players online :|
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Thsoe who was at the meeting know my answer, and I'll go through that.
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I voted "Never" too i dont really want Gandalf and Aragon and that paying just to stay in the offical list's Cmon guys we can just add their server to favorites and still play and maybe be faster than waiting in the internet server to load up other servers
:P I think this will save Gandalf and Aragon Paying for something they dont really need :)
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Tell me whats difference betwwen "Official" server and "non-Official server", dont give me childish shit like "You get to be on "Official" button, I want real answer. What makes Official server and not?
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I voted Never...
because the server has recieved a lot of attacks lately as an official server...more than we used to. I also think that we shouldn't have to pay to be on the official server list...just like on a sports team, you try out, you don't pay your way on.
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looks like everyone said never
i voted never because some people did a increase in players but the ones who looked outsdie the box saw that the increase of players which included over 50 rule breakers of any kind. a nice tight kept community is much stronger than a wide and loose open community. we had our vc mta real tight and it made alot of people become close and have alot more fun. im not going to hate on anybody new as we were all new onces but only 10 percent of the people who joined the server actually stayed, while 500 applied for arpd and were never seen again etc stuff like that. il welcome new players but since being official we had attacks and hackers and the final reason
people who go for player ammount = go to official list
people who respect a community and want to join and rp = trying out servers until they see one.
we are not player ammount server, we go by great players. whats better?
100 players = 30-40 regulars = 60 cops / non roleplaying / hackers / dmers - ofcourse we can teach them but some end up leaving
40-70 players = 60 regulars , good rp concentration and having time to teach 10 new people.
" Quality over quantity " >> in other words >> 100 ferraris with no engines ,seats or wheels? or one ferrari with everything modded to the max ;)
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At first, I thought, by being official, we would actually get some rewards from the SAMP developers. But since we have to pay more, I changed my mind, and now I would pick "never". Why should we pay for being something that represents them?
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Well, I don't mind if this server stays as official, but I think I'd rather if it wasn't.
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The forum, master server and official server lists are down. The official list from the sa:mp website has disappeared, along with the news article about 0.2.5. I have a bad feeling about this. :neutral:
EDIT: The normal server list is up now, official list still isn't along with the forums. What I am hearing from SA:MP IRC is that he got annoyed with people not supporting the official server payment idea and decided to close it all down. :neutral:
-xcasio
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Never would I pay to recieve a "rank". The SA:MP developers should be ashamed of themselves.
- lionz :)
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I think it is good that Argonath has become offical as xcasio said.
And I will help to pay! I promise.
- MrsSvensson :banana:
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There goes SA:MP... :neutral:
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I voted for YES , because when the server is official it attracts alot of new players ...
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Some updates from the SA:MP developers:
Due to some attacks on our services, we're now scaling back our operations. We will no longer be running an official forum or IRC channel. SA-MP client and server updates will be announced on this news page as they are made available.
Please remember that we are a small team and we are not professional game developers. Our only interest and objective is to make GTA:SA have a multiplayer option.
The master servers will remain online (hopefully for years to come).
The official server list is still down though.
EDIT: A SA:MP developer has said on IRC that the official server list has been removed permanently.
-xcasio
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/agree 100%
Agree with Anto and Justin ;)
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Voting locked as the feature was removed...
We thank you for opinion and especially those guys who were willing to make a donations to support us... This shows that we made not only a game server, but we created a home for gamers, and that was our goal since we started...
In our history appeared a new chapter with award "official SA:MP server", which was not bought or bribed, and we are proud of it...
Therefore we really did not like the yesterday switch off of SA:MP master list with the forums, that just shows how SA:MP developers care about 20.000 players and shut down their network just cos they are pissed off without any notification... So I do not know if SA:MP will be stable for years...