Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Zun_Callison on May 03, 2008, 06:29:44 pm
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Okay guys , now i know that the server got many good new players when we went official and so on , but this is not about that.
All of you old players here , remember December in 2007 and earlier? THATS ARGONATH , we have had so many regulars and very good guys that has left Argonath just because the server went immature and kind of boring when we was official and when we was 70+ players all the time..
I remember when it could be 20 players like 18.00 and that was really fun and then it was REAL RP.
But now the server is going UP again and i know we will get some really good RP now!! :banana: Thumbs up for Argonath :banana:
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To be honest, "old Argonath" for me is before we had the SA:MP server...
When the MTA:VC server was so crowded that admins had to kick idle/afk players so others could join :roll:
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To be honest, "old Argonath" for me is before we had the SA:MP server...
When the MTA:VC server was so crowded that admins had to kick idle/afk players so others could join :roll:
Yeah, so I ask you Zun, don't you miss the early August 2006?
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(( Yes, early December 2007 was about my second or third month on Argonath. Those were the days, but now, it's totally different. I agree with what you said though, the server is making it's way back up slowly but surely. ))
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Well i only been on Argonath since January, so personally i only known this Argonath :D
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i have been here for more than a year now :) nearly two i think...when i joined TCL those where the days:P
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yea i liked it when ron used to play more and Sheen Ranger and Nate were here and we were just kickin it and there were more admins
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When i was looking though my screenshot selection, about me doing pizza RP with some ohters in 0.2.1. scripts that was just awsome. I would like if i would not say i miss the "old" argonath. But still the "new" Argonath is better and good.
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Good old times with Niall, Anto, SUBLINE, Ustasa, Edy & Ady (GSF). :bye:
However, i prefer the future. :D
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I really miss the old times in MTA:VC :(
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i will dig up some old screenies when i can, but i formatted this pc :( i have screenies back from the 0.1 scripts!
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Yes when i remember December when i was patrolling with Carhartt and those old guys :bye:
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I remember some old days...Yea i liked the RP...This days , every day u see newbies(noobs) and try to kill you,ruin rp event or something
I just miss some old players :(
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I want MTA:VC Argonath to be like it was last year in August and before, so many regulars that RPed, so many people that were good friends and others that still made the server more fun. Im not complaining about how the server is now, but i think that back then, there were more regulars, and more RPers.
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I want MTA:VC Argonath to be like it was last year in August and before, so many regulars that RPed, so many people that were good friends and others that still made the server more fun. Im not complaining about how the server is now, but i think that back then, there were more regulars, and more RPers.
yes me too. I always rped with friends.
now ppl are playing only for the stupit fake money :( I dont care about the money. the FUN is what I care.
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Well the beauty of "old" argonath, as you say. Its just one server. And yes, it was pretty nice times. But times goes on, and we go with the time. We have now atleast 5 servers for all kinds of GTA, i dont mentioned DM servers with CoD etc... People splited out betwen these servers.
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times change...
The fact that so many people have good memories of old times,liike me, proves that argonath has a good community. ;)
The person who started this topic typed december 2007: good time, I type december 2006 also a good time and december 2008 will also be the same!
I have still fun! :banana:
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i wasnt here at december 2006, but i was here since Juli 2007 atleast :) and i dont say that the new times are bad , i just miss the old times ;)
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MTA:VC back last year was the best.
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The 0.2.1 scripts were amazing, those will be the times i missed, Where =CM=, [GSF], [LCV] Ruled the streets, and the ARPD had different PD's.
These scripts are amazing, but i still miss the old ones
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I don't miss the scripts, I miss the atmosphere.
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I don't miss the scripts, I miss the atmosphere.
U said it there , thats what i meant ;)
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Yes old argonath was better,there was more rp and fun,but its still funny :devroll:
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To be honest, Argonath is not as good as it feeled before.
But that's mabye because people are split up between all servers.
I remember when sa:mp opened, every single guy went over, almost.
Mta:vc was like 2-5 people on.
I was on sa:mp for 1,5 days after the opening party, then returned to good old mta:vc.
So yhe I miss how it was 2006.
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My favorite "season" on Argonath were when [EsC],_Dragons [MBM] where the most knows groups/maffias e.t.c
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I miss back in the summer when everybody knew each other and rping was 24/7, and it was all fun. Now, I hate playing Argonath SA and my MTA VC is messed up.. :(
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The 0.2.1 scripts were amazing, those will be the times i missed, Where =CM=, [GSF], [LCV] Ruled the streets, and the ARPD had different PD's.
These scripts are amazing, but i still miss the old ones
Yes bro that is what I miss each day I play here... it was [LSA] that was here before LCV, GSF, CM and Dragons...
I came in March 2007 when Argonath SAMP was first starting, I was here 3 days before official opening.
The great old days for me was when I first joined [LSA] and Loyd Banks was leader, Kerr had created first mafia called Kerr's Mafia and Loyd Banks created first gang that was called Los Santos Astecas [LSA], and we battled each other all the time.. even some Kerr Mafia guys would go to cop and go to our turf to suspect us and start killing and making cash.. I remeber Snowman... he was kerr's Mafia...then we move to Las Venturas and created [LVA] and made turf there. This is when Dragons came to our turf with heli and start to try to kill some of us on our roofs.. we killed them all...
I remember =CM=Tice coming and we would fight on main chat and in-game battles...
I created The Commission and had many clans and mafia join, but EL Borucia who was leader of [ML] who is now Fernado the FBI director wouldn't join, and start to DM all of us and even some imposers of [ML] start to DM us.. one was Morgie when he was new...well when Morgie killed =CM=Daniel at a peace meeting, Daniel finally decide to help Commisson to take out [ML]... which was what we were talking about for weeks because we thought it was real ML killing all of us...well ML quit after that.. and became TME which was pretty successful.
I could go on and on how the good old days were much cooler and more exciting.
Either LVA vs Dragons or The Commission Created NO GANG WARS RULE..
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EL Borucia
:rofl:
I created The Commission and had many clans and mafia join, but EL Borucia who was leader of [ML] who is now Fernado the FBI director wouldn't join, and start to DM all of us
Please.. if you are gonna say the story say it how it is, dont come and say i was deathmatching becuase i was not, its very clear who was deathmathcing, it was the commision and that was the reason they received an official warning etc..
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Dude you guys did, ML would just kill anyone... some were official ML and some were imposers. Maybe you should read my entire post..
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Dude you guys did, ML would just kill anyone... some were official ML and some were imposers. Maybe you should read my entire post..
I read everything what you wrote, and this situation was clear a long time ago(almost 1 year). Maybe this will make you remenber...: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=3379.0
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im with Agent on this...
BUT
Yea i realy Miss the old argonath .. We completly changed it after 0.2.2
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The question is.....
Will we ever get back the thrill, and the atmosphere ?
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I can tell you what IS the difference between old Argonath and new Argonath...
And its NOT in new players who have no idea how to roleplay... Cos ALL OF YOU had no idea of Argonath RPG style...
The difference is that in old Argonath regulars did not moan about every carjacker or rammer/dmer etc...
The difference is that they have guns and they can defend themselves and that was a free way without rules like "Call police if you are jacked"...
Besides it if you are shooting a dmer and cops come and suspect you, old Argonath player was NEVER crying "cop abuser! I was attacked!"... Cos old Argonath player knew very good that choosing the killing of rammer can lead to cops attention...
Old Argonath players always were asking in PMs for some RP together... For example the kidnapping... They send PM "Can we kidnap you"? and if answer is yes - the funny kidnapping can exist... If answer is no old Argonath player will not send you a nice words like "I thought you were a good roleplayer!"... As they understand very good, that nor people, neither admins MUST take part in EVERY kidnapping...
Old Argonath cops never moaned about attacking them or about criminal fighter "OMFG he is not surrendering he is a crappy RPer!"...
So the problem of new Argonath - in regulars... I can honestly say - since we even opened MTA VC server with 24 dmers vs 2 roleplayers, I did not know dmers will be such a big trouble for at least 30 roleplayers on server...
And yes i think Argonath went down because the main people do not play... But that just shows that Argonath players making an atmosphere on server shitty themselves...
Sorry for this comment... But yes its annoying to get reports about every crap and watching moaners in chat when all you need - two steps... Play the game, do not demand a lot of rules...
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Moaning about the moaners :poke:
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In all honosty.... the main difference in the newer version of argo.... which we didnt have in the old versions....
Now.... everyone is shit scared of losing money.... because its harder to get... back in the days when you could get 100k+ in 1`5 minutes in the casino.... everyone was happy... no one was crying about having no money. These days its harder to get... and people never want to rp in case they lose money... unless that RPing is drug dealing.
The mnew casinos... could be good if the money diodnt come from the owners/workers pockets... because theyd need to put around about 5k on the door to even break even at the end of the night... and in all fairness its a bizz... They need to make money... It isnt fair that normal players have to lose out 0on money because the developers want a "fair economy" - The fair economy where Admins mug people for 5k (had it done to me before) New players are on around 2k for most of their time till someone like cas comes on and throws cash about. and the rich players lose out... because they have to pay out to help the desperate...
At one point in the old script... Rix had around 4 million dollars... and he didnt have to part with a penny of it to newer players... It was a LOT easier to make the cash.
If everyone was like me, or Abe, or Daniel... And werent scared to lose money all the time. The environment would be a LOT better.... If new players saw us not being scared of losing it... they would be the same - and so on and so forth.
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Aragorn , i didnt complain about the new players , i complained about why the Atmosphere got down , and now i get it , its everyone MAKING it go down , including me , all admins , regulars , new players. Why dont we start a new fresh start at the new scripts? And We try to get the atmosphere back to where it was , at all costs! :bow:
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Either LVA vs Dragons or The Commission Created NO GANG WARS RULE..
And a crying shame too, such good roleplay could now be formed with gangs but no.. for some reason gangs are hated by all, even though they form a high percentage of roleplay on this server. As I see it - if you kill gangs you kill Argonath.
Yea, money is an issue. When I had no money I didn't want to ever buy any guns, at all. Now that I have money, I am tons happier to pay a couple thousand for guns, and like bribes, and whatever. Roleplay is a lot easier with more money flowing around. There are not enough sources of money! Its getting to the point where is almost seems the sources of deflation (anywhere where you spend money but another player doesn't get it) are almost more common than sources of inflation (anywhere where you get money, but not from another player - paydays.)
There aren't enough reliable sources of non Player-To-Player income. You need some serverside payouts other than random paydays, and then people will be a lot happier, as I see it.
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Panda is right about that. We need paydays every 2 hours and gain 10k from each.. that would be cool.
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i remember being in LSA and doing awsome RP situations with Jay and Will
anyone remember [LSA]Jay or [LSA]Will?
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Yea i remember Jay...he was a nice guy
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Yea i remember Jay...he was a nice guy
i still talk to jay and will on msn :), Jay has turned into a hacking guy now. hes making hacks too
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Luke530 you were in LSA? I dont remember that.. I was one of the top ranked. I remember Will though. What was your name in game?
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There already were tryings of gang wars... and what it brought? Deathmatch...
You have no brakes or authority to keep gang wars in a decent roleplay style...
Ask yourselves why...
And the government will not allow stuff that cannot be handled by its roleplayers... we will not make the crowded admins team just cos you wanna kill those whom easy to kill (did not expect - wow arent we tell we are in teh war!), and not those whom harder to kill (deathmatcher)...
Player is speeding, cop suspects - OMFG abuser! What is that? do not speed when cops are near if do not plan to play with them...
As about money - people have millions... In old version were not all millionaires as well... What is the point of RPG if you do not need to do anything to make money yourselves... Lets give to all 100 millions at once and see how nice roleplay will be...
MTA VC do not moan about it... Though there is more less chance to earn big money fast... And still the atmosphere is nice and friendly... SA:MP community is always trying to find a reason in someone/something but not in his own shitty attitude... By moaning on the general chat you do not bring any positive... By reporting about every fart you do not bring positive... By scamming, cheating, abusing scripts you do not bring positive...
Money money money... That is the difference between cool MTA VC community and greedy SAMP community...
Sorry for such tone... But I had 3 years experience in Roleplay and see that even virtual money making people shitty...
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Luke530 you were in LSA? I dont remember that.. I was one of the top ranked. I remember Will though. What was your name in game?
[LSA]Luke, whats was yours?
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What is the old "Argonath" then ?
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I read everything what you wrote, and this situation was clear a long time ago(almost 1 year). Maybe this will make you remenber...: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=3379.0
This situation was the first that developers checked step by step, log by log, action by action... And El_Boricua did not get a warning as he was really roleplaying and avoiding gang wars as much as he could...
I am still surprised he did not leave Argonath after all that bullshit which was dropped on him in game (logs)...
So thanks, El, that stayed with us still :redface:
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When the word 'RP' drops, the RP stops :roll:
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I guess that to make things even we will once again reset all accounts, properties and cars. :roll:
Then we make paydays every 30 minutes and watch the cool RP of people sitting whole day on server to get money.
Of course weapons will be free, your suspect level will be removed if you run for 2 minutes, no weapons lost when killed.
Gang wars allowed, and cops are not allowed in the area if there is a gan war declared.
All blips will be removed from radar.
That should make RP heaven..... :conf:
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haha....
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Don't forget Grove street as DM place or new players in prison who kill each other :D
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[LSA]Luke, whats was yours?
[LSA]Hell89
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The RP is what you make it.
The old times in MTA:VC as taxi driver with Shrinpower, getting compliments from RON about the driving. Chasing one criminal with the whole PD around the islands in a circle for 2 hours...
These for me were good times. All can still happen, you just got to MAKE it happen for yourselves...
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There already were tryings of gang wars... and what it brought? Deathmatch...
You have no brakes or authority to keep gang wars in a decent roleplay style...
When i ran MS-13, and there was [18th] and some other gang, we had a pretty good gang war, but it was not all DM DM DM, we set rules up & stuff, its just that it sucked cause we knew we werent allowed to have gangwars, so we were just like "Look, do this, this, and not this and we should be fine" with them :P
But it was all big Moan & bitch & DM in the end (meaning that HUGE Police vs. Gang at Glen...)
Oh well :P
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When i ran MS-13, and there was [18th] and some other gang, we had a pretty good gang war, but it was not all DM DM DM, we set rules up & stuff, its just that it sucked cause we knew we werent allowed to have gangwars, so we were just like "Look, do this, this, and not this and we should be fine" with them :P
But it was all big Moan & bad guy & DM in the end (meaning that HUGE Police vs. Gang at Glen...)
Oh well :P
That gangwar was really TOO much and as it was a gangwar, shouldn't people have been warned/banned then? I think gang wars should be allowed again, but perhaps then on approved spots like an airport or in the desert or a country village..
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Or there should be 2 admins who can watch the fight, so it will not run out of control.
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When i ran MS-13, and there was [18th] and some other gang, we had a pretty good gang war, but it was not all DM DM DM, we set rules up & stuff, its just that it sucked cause we knew we werent allowed to have gangwars, so we were just like "Look, do this, this, and not this and we should be fine" with them :P
But it was all big Moan & bad guy & DM in the end (meaning that HUGE Police vs. Gang at Glen...)
Oh well :P
it was at times when cops were like oh i see bunch of people on map ill just go there and sit till i piss them off... luckily its not like that anymore.. anyway i quite enjoyed ms13 times ;)
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it was at times when cops were like oh i see bunch of people on map ill just go there and sit till i piss them off... luckily its not like that anymore.. anyway i quite enjoyed ms13 times ;)
Correct, after getting provoked by thousand cops, the situation was out of control.
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I don't think gang wars should be held at places like airport.. but in neibor hoods and such... there is no problem if people die and not come back.. cops can interfere if they come to the place and find it happening.
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Yes, because of those control reasons, why Argonath does not allow them anymore.
It would be fine if all of us would accept defeat, and not come after they die (depending on the war rules that were setup by the two gangs)
Like, 18th and MS-13 Could have an awesome gang war, because the leaders are/were admins and they can control their members & such.
We had it going, but as he mentioned, the cops came and sat there like a hostage situation and screwed it all up :(
:P
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The problem is that people only two "enemy" gangs will have a war with each other, right? Well we only enemy with people we don't like, and usually they are the people who will not roleplay the war properly. There are tons of measures out against gangs, I think equal measures should be placed on cops, to stop them provoking the "gangwars" which we get blamed for (as the cops usually start them, knowing the administration will always side with them.)
It sometimes seems that the trust in gangs has been totally lost by the admins. What they don't see is that the gangs are often better equipped or better at fighting than the cops, and thats the only reason we kill a lot of cops. They are the ones who want to fight, not us. But we're not about to surrender, because thats stupid. It sucks bad for us, we get blamed for everything because supposedly "Oh, the cops are innocent.. as always." even though it's usually their fault, and when they continuously lose they complain "omg DM" just because we keep constantly owning them, and they can't take it. Do you see other gangs complaining when they lose? Maybe a couple of gangs now and again (I won't name 'em ;)), but usually no, they do not. Cops? Whole different story.
Don't forget, the ARPD are as much as a gang as the Mafias. Only difference: technical legality.
What is a "gang". A group of similar people in a group, with a similar purpose. They like to roll around together and intimidate people in their gangcars. :lol:
A group of cops, wanna make some money and get the suspects. They roll around together and intimidate the gangs with their badges and /su commands, in their gangcopcars. Spot the similarity? :lol:
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i miss argonath too :cry: i havent been online 4 5 days :( because of my ban. :( of course i hate abusive cops, haxors and cheaters and i hate myslelf cuz i abused :( well and dmers are bad too
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The problem is indeed that they are enemy groups.
Any war should be done in a friendly atmosphere, as that is what can cause people to stick to the rules.
Any clan or gang war that is fought because people do not like each other is doomed to fail, as nobody want to lose.
As far as the cops....they lack organization. ;)
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In old times RockStars clan was "invited" to the clan war match... The founder talked to me and asked "You really wanna fight with them?"... That time I was one of the best fighters of MTA and had no problems to kill 2-3 high trained dmers in duel... But I went to all clan members and asked their position...
Clan founder denied the "invitation" by the reason - flame, insulting war... As the clan which was challenging us - was created from some random people in short time to insult flame Argonath (new server at that time) server and clan the Argonath founders were in...
Non respect to other clan leaded our clan founder to deny that clan war strictly and without negotiations...
Its for you all to feel what clans are and what is a clan wars policy...
If Argonath clans/groups will have a high standard leaderships, only then we can allow some gang wars... As we were already looking for possibilities of it... But the problem of clans/groups - bad organization and discipline...
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Yeh I remember it pretty well when I joined the server back in December (2006?) When i first joined I spoke to Ron and we started to fight in the robberspawn along with other people. As you may alredy know I came from the -MS- clan
That was old times :)<3
Allthough now we have moved to a more civilised server and the server its more and more relaying on the serverscripts then the player experience.
Its both good and bad! Allthough now it seems that more and more players are joining the community which is good:) Hopefully, We will have a little bit better RP.
//Marcus (Clooak)
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That were fighting trainings We were giving to our roleplayers so they could match the dmers if they will meet them... As well as lessons how to fight the health hackers...
And actually nobody shut down this trainings... Just it comes random, sometimes... :D
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Yeh I remember it pretty well when I joined the server back in December (2006?) When i first joined I spoke to Ron and we started to fight in the robberspawn along with other people. As you may alredy know I came from the -MS- clan
That was old times :)<3
Yeah, that stuff was realy awesome, i remember i was called lamerigtss at that time