Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Fatboy_Rob on June 20, 2008, 08:17:57 pm
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Well, back when Kaltsu ran the ARPD, he brought up Bunnyhopping/Bunnyjumping as a subject, to stop it, and it worked for a while.
I want to try and re-create the same, and possibly make a rule of it.
I vote - Yes.
Why? Its not that its like a bug, or hack or anything, its just that its extremely lame.
When in life, do you see players jumping every two steps to run from people? (Try and picture it people.)
In life, jumping every two steps would not increase your speed, it would slow you down drastically.
:ps: Could you not play the "Well this isn't RL" card please? We all know its not RL.
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I'm just wondering, is there a reason the people are made so slower then in SP, changing that back to normal would solve this whole issue. I don't know if this is true but I heard this slowness thing does not happen in some other servers.
Putting that thought aside, if you can get a rule going so it applied to everyone and not just people who feel like following it, then I would support it.
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may i ask how do you suppose to eradicate it?
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OK, I woted ''Other'' becoz ....
Yes it is really bad thing to do, and its really unrealistic, but ...
Imagine you respawning in midlle of a desert or contryside, with NO drivers on and NO cars around, what would you do, slowly run to closest city or car, or try to get there as fast as possible ...
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what do you mean with eradicate?
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OK, I woted ''Other'' becoz ....
Yes it is really bad thing to do, and its really unrealistic, but ...
Imagine you respawning in midlle of a desert or contryside, with NO drivers on and NO cars around, what would you do, slowly run to closest city or car, or try to get there as fast as possible ...
Its ment bunnyhopping in RP situatuon, and when no other people around too see then i think its allowed a lil
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bunnyhopping shouldnt be allowed in roleplay situations, like for example yesterday, I was at the Ocean Docks chased by bunnyhopping swat team.. now that was lame
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bunnyhopping shouldnt be allowed in roleplay situations, like for example yesterday, I was at the Ocean Docks chased by bunnyhopping swat team.. now that was lame
I agree with that. You can run faster without doing bunnyhop.
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Nitrox, there was not either one chase that I haven't seen you bunnyhopping while on-foot. First you should stop doing it, then vote for it's eridication..
And yes, I voted for yes, because it is very stupid ..
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People should get admin jailed for Bunnyhopping, it is sooooo lame...
~Rest my case
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People should get admin jailed for Bunnyhopping, it is sooooo lame...
~Rest my case
You mean Admin should jail people for it ?
It's not rule breaking neither good thing actually it depends on your role playing if it's good or bad i don't think it should be against rules and neither it's Something good , if we are going to put all lame things against rules people will leave so for example people get warning for /jail once enter PD,driving Bikes while being suspect , take a car that's not yours without role playing hot wiring it or something like that , think of it .
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You mean Admin should jail people for it ?
if we are going to put all lame things against rules people will leave so for example people get warning for /jail once enter PD,driving Bikes while being suspect , take a car that's not yours without role playing hot wiring it or something like that , think of it .
Good, the non-roleplayers will leave the server, they cant be assed learning roleplay anyway.
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Good, the non-roleplayers will leave the server, they cant be assed learning roleplay anyway.
That's not correct because there are good role players but not perfect , you know what i mean ? some is still learning .
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That's not correct because there are good role players but not perfect , you know what i mean ? some is still learning .
Well they are very slow at learning, we could do with a "Roleplay Help" thing, where we actually teach them some stuff rather than letting them wonder and be an abusing cadet.
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I'm just wondering, is there a reason the people are made so slower then in SP, changing that back to normal would solve this whole issue.
No it won't. If they change us back to the CJ skin, we'll all see two things.
1) Running in circles fast as hell, making it impossible to hit you.
2) People bunny hopping at a faster rate than it is now.
Putting that thought aside, if you can get a rule going so it applied to everyone and not just people who feel like following it, then I would support it.
That's what I want to try and do, thank you. :)
may i ask how do you suppose to eradicate it?
Well, if we get lots of people agreeing that it should be not-allowed, then there will be punishments for it, and a rule placed on the board (Once they do get updated... if they ever do.)
OK, I woted ''Other'' becoz ....
Yes it is really bad thing to do, and its really unrealistic, but ...
Imagine you respawning in midlle of a desert or contryside, with NO drivers on and NO cars around, what would you do, slowly run to closest city or car, or try to get there as fast as possible ...
Well I personally still see it bad cars or no cars around, but I personally would do the same if nobody is around.
Same thing with Roleplaying, I do not spend 5 minutes breaking into, hotwiring, and driving off with the car if nobody is around to respond to it.
what do you mean with eradicate?
1) kill in large numbers; "the plague wiped out an entire population"
2) to destroy or remove a pest or pathogen after disease has become established
3) to remove all traces of; to erase.
Basically to stop everyone from Bunny hopping.
bunnyhopping shouldnt be allowed in roleplay situations, like for example yesterday, I was at the Ocean Docks chased by bunnyhopping swat team.. now that was lame
Yea, that is lame..
And thats exactly what I mean by it, like, look up youtube videos of swat in action, do you see them jumping around? :lol: :D
People should get admin jailed for Bunnyhopping, it is sooooo lame...
Well, I woulden't take it to that much of a degree as a first punishment, as some people will still do it.
I'd say warn them 1st, then let it progress from there. And Admin Jail/Kick is for our more regular players who do it.
Its just like CAPS or flaming, regulars don't get away with it as we all know the rules.
Well Emilio, about the 'lets throw rules on everything lame' you have a point, though that's not what we're discussing here.
Yes, we all know Argonath isn't all about the Roleplay, and we all (Including yourself) do some of the stuff you stated as lame.
So its honestly not worth discussing now. Also, if the cop chasing me won't break into a car, break the dash and hotwire it, I won't either haha :P
And I might just join up with Merc and his gang, cause they're all cool cats that can RP well. (Different name ofc.)
Well they are very slow at learning, we could do with a "Roleplay Help" thing, where we actually teach them some stuff rather than letting them wonder and be an abusing cadet.
Yes, that's what I was thinking, but I'm not doing a school for it IG.
Take a look at this topic if haven't already. (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=12127.0)
I personally think it would be extremely cool if there could be a Sub-Forum (Like Child Board) for Roleplaying Class (Like, were we all teach eachother Roleplay stuff)
Maybe an English Class too, since some of us (Maybe lots) don't speak so much well English, the English speakers could teach them a bit and have some tips for them.
Thanks for all who voted and agreed with me.
~ Hayden
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I got a interesting picture of SWAt bunnyhoping after a criminal who happens to be bunny hoping, it seems that if you bunny hop you go faster and can outrun the guys whp wont bunny hop.
Personally I onyl buny hope after a criminal if they bunny hoping, otherwise I just run.
I not willing to let them have a non-rp advantage.
yes it should be stopped but realistcally its will be difficult to stop, especially for new players.
(I know games where to stop it they removed the ability to jump full stop, little walls a nightmare as you have to go around them!)
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Personally I onyl buny hope after a criminal if they bunny hoping, otherwise I just run.
I not willing to let them have a non-rp advantage.
Same also.
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I am curious as did not see any reason of the subject, but "It is lame"...
Should we jail all lamers? Or only bunnyhoppers?
Why its a problem for you?
Is Bunnyhopping an advantage over others?
Should we delete all SAMP server as its not realistic in models and animations?
How does bunnyhopping affects on ROLE play?
What else is stopping you from normal f**king playing on server?
Besides it - I think its a lame topic and should be locked (as it is also lame)...
:ps: The poll was removed as does not answer on all this questions... (lame)
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Normal on this server is not Roleplay, so I guess if your scared for it to change for better roleplay then it is not an RPG server.
Some of us want better roleplay standards while others like the negative roleplay at the moment, people bunnyhopping after each other, people running around in circles with sawn-off shotguns trying to kill each other, I just don't see the point of trying to help roleplay anymore.
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Thats your own opinion, so we cannot help you with that... You think we suck, We know we do not...
If for you all roleplay zomg standards - to make rule on every jump and step - then I am sorry for you...
Hayden also was like you here - non roleplay non roleplay, other servers are zomg roleplay jail for bunnyhopping, still he is here and likes to play right at our server...
And yes we do not want to make our server as shitty as you think it could be great server...
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Bunnyhopping makes faster running because we use the ability for real player animations, where old people walk like old people and young people walk like young people.
By removing the realisting walking styles, everyone will be able to run as CJ and bunnyhopping will no longer be an advantage.
But we are a RP server. which is exactly why we USE realistic animations.
You want to be an Olympic runner Granny ? Its up to you...
In events as running we can disallow bunnnyhopping, but if in normal game player want to use it to get away from others... its up to those who follow them to find a way to stop.
If you feel against it.... don't use it.
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If you feel against it.... don't use it.
Took the words out of my mouth...
I will say this for the last time...
This ISN'T a 100% Real Real Real Life ZOMGZZ HARDCORE RPG Server... Seriously...
This CAN be a RPG server...
But not a Hardcore RL server... I mean, it NEVER was.
Like, my old event, Stars Adventures (story-like event), some parts WEREN'T realistic. Almost none were. My character wasn't even a human... The ones that participated at liked it... Even Razor in a part of the event was there... He didn't shout "wow that isnt realistic dude make something more realistic! in real life u see smth like that???"...
I even roleplayed I had a Pokemon :gd:
But I am NOT against the scripts, speeds, and things that make server realistic... Or even the roleplaying styles... But that depends.
But I agree about these things to don't do powergaming, do the attempting thing, and of course, the metagaming thing...
~~Grovyle
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dude, put poll back
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dude, put poll back
Dude, do not tell us how to do our job...
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Why was the poll removed?
And this has nothing to do with any of the arguments you had (Ron) in other topics.
This has nothing to do with "Zomg leet RP" this has nothing to do with "Make Argonath RPG REAL LIFE" None of that.
I (And many many others) thought it was lame cause the person decides to start bunnyhopping away, thus pissing people off, and its just damn stupid.
I don't see why I'm getting slammed now... Kaltsu did it, and it seemed like he got the whole server to stop bunnyhopping.
When I try it... "Fuck off Hayden".
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There is a difference in approach. Kaltsu will ask people not to bunnyhop as it looks bad, but not demand people to be kicked off server if they do.
You bring it as if we should add it to server rules and people can report a player to admins for bunnyhopping.
That is the difference...one based on friendly play and explaining, other based on making a prison...
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Very True Gandalf, though I never wanted them jailed or kicked for it ;)
I said it as an Idea, as in I wasen't sure about it.
And can the Poll be reopend? I wanted this to be like the 'move to SF' where we got everyone to agree to move to SF (but that failed anyways :P)
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Hayden - people do not like many things, and every thing can piss them off - wanna on every piss to set the special rules?
I am sorry, but its annoying really "do not jump, do not smile, do not laugh, write that you are laughing"...
And what was that ((I hided in a bush))??? Why do not use /me command?
I was hiding in a bushes from evidence without any fucking (())... Just hided... Just sit and disappeared... And from that we had a funny time on server together...
Merc did not like granny running after group of gangsters "Love 1000$"... Excuse me?
For Merc its serious game, he cannot even smile and even got pissed off, for other it will be funny to watch and jokes...
Its a game, its supposes fun... And you wanna communism 30s-40s - do not say a word without Big Years, do not make a jump without spies on you...
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Hayden - people do not like many things, and every thing can piss them off - wanna on every piss to set the special rules?
I am sorry, but its annoying really "do not jump, do not smile, do not laugh, write that you are laughing"...
Those are not rules. Nobody needs to listen to anything other than the rules from us. Simple.
I've just come to the conclusion that I'll RP the way I want to RP, with friends that I know RP in my style, so there will be no complains etc.
Just stop the train in its tracks.
And what was that ((I hided in a bush))??? Why do not use /me command?
Good point.
And you wanna communism 30s-40s - do not say a word without Big Years, do not make a jump without spies on you...
Alright, thats Merc, thats his topic.
Not me, and not this topic.
And, you are saying you will spy on us, and send other admins after us from now on in Spectate? (I don't understand..)
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And what was that ((I hided in a bush))??? Why do not use /me command?
I was hiding in a bushes from evidence without any f**king (())... Just hided... Just sit and disappeared... And from that we had a funny time on server together...
If youre talking to me - I used /me firstly, and typed /me Hides in the bush so the cops wont see him, and when Pancher (or Flameman, i dont recall) asked me what am i doing in (()), i said that i was hiding in the bush, and i said it OOC.
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And, you are saying you will spy on us, and send other admins after us from now on in Spectate? (I don't understand..)
Of cos, now all admins will sit and spectate everyone who is not a rabbit, did they really hide in a bush and did they use "LOL"...
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If youre talking to me - I used /me firstly, and typed /me Hides in the bush so the cops wont see him, and when Pancher (or Flameman, i dont recall) asked me what am i doing in (()), i said that i was hiding in the bush, and i said it OOC.
For all actions is a magic command - /me... No use to create special chat option... Otherwise do not expect everyone will even understand what means (())...
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OK dude, i agree with you, but people that called Argonath Veterans should understand that (()) is OOC.
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OK dude, i agree with you, but people that called Argonath Veterans should understand that (()) is OOC.
:conf: What is OOC ? :devroll:
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:conf: What is OOC ? :devroll:
It is out of chat chat, I think... :rofl:
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It is out of chat chat, I think... :rofl:
hahaahha :]
before they did remove the ability to bunnyhop but then everyone did complain and they removed the script.
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It is out of chat chat, I think... :rofl:
lmao :lol: so is ooc kind of afk? :rofl:
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OK dude, i agree with you, but people that called Argonath Veterans should understand that (()) is OOC.
Why?
In the old scripts nobody ever used it because people moaned a whole lot less. Nobody EVER used it in 0.2.1.
Then people come from the other Roleplay servers (you know, those ones which aren't any fun to play on) and said "OMG Argonath should be just like this!!!". Why? If you preferred that server, play there, don't pollute Argonath with these ridiculous policies of the stupid (( )) tags and jailing for bunnyhopping.
The outlandish concept of bunnyhopping being against the rules if laughable. No, it is beyond laughable. Seriously, I am going to play the card of "This is RPG not RL." because you're just trying to turn it into Real Life. You say not to mention that, but its what you're trying to make it. Its a game, it should be fun. The majority of people just bunnyhop, talk OOC/IC without tags, and have fun. There are a few who don't have laughs and are like "OMG MUST ROLEPLAY PERFECTLY!" and if someone doesn't. then they get pissed off. Its a game, learn to enjoy it..
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I'll play my "It is not realistic" card. . . your turn :devroll:
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Looks like my deck has another "This is a game, not real life." card.
This isn't real life, therefore it does not have to be realistic.
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i cant belive you people...
you call it RP server but dont want to make it better...
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I even cant bunnyhop cos of my keyboard.. :D
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i cant belive you people...
you call it RP server but dont want to make it better...
I will be more violent than anyone who posted here:
Who cares if someone is bunny hopping?!! If you see someone bunny hopping at Argonath, is that you'r problem!? Let him bunny hopping!! Dude... Why do you want Argonath to be a Hardcore Real Life Roleplaying Server?!
Seriously?! Is that you'r problem if you see someone bunny hopping?!?!? I am not saying I like bunny hopping, I also think it's lame, but who cares really???
I did NEVER thought I would need to say this...
I am NOT Admin, I am NOT developer, I am NOT Moderator, I am a simple kid playing here, a member, trying to have fun here... It's just a game... >_____<*
But that is Admins decision, I gave my opinion.
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i cant belive you people...
you call it RP server but dont want to make it better...
Makes you wonder why you were crying to be unbanned doesn't it ?
We are doing our best to make it better, but too many cooks spoil the soup... so while we do listen to suggestions we will follow our own path.
Some day you will get maybe the chance to make your own kind of 'RP town' according to your wishes...until that time San Andreas is big enough for all to play, and we will do our very best to keep the server and rules free for anyone who does not cheat or flame.
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Makes you wonder why you were crying to be unbanned doesn't it ?
We are doing our best to make it better, but too many cooks spoil the soup... so while we do listen to suggestions we will follow our own path.
Some day you will get maybe the chance to make your own kind of 'RP town' according to your wishes...until that time San Andreas is big enough for all to play, and we will do our very best to keep the server and rules free for anyone who does not cheat or flame.
QFT. Or is that OOC... :D
BTW, or is that OOC....okay ill stop, ahem, btw am I getting deja vu here with the other topic...Let's just realise some people like to RP and play in different ways, if you don't want to bunnyhop, dont. If I do, I will. There we have 2 opinions, the rules to not restrict either, yours would and would therefore restrict gameplay...who wants to take the train with me to this concentration camp?
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Why?
In the old scripts nobody ever used it because people moaned a whole lot less. Nobody EVER used it in 0.2.1.
Then people come from the other Roleplay servers (you know, those ones which aren't any fun to play on) and said "OMG Argonath should be just like this!!!". Why? If you preferred that server, play there, don't pollute Argonath with these ridiculous policies of the stupid (( )) tags and jailing for bunnyhopping.
Correct...
First was demanding to make all nicks double-named, cos of "those other servers"...
Second was demand to make a password "cos of those other servers"...
Then came "bunnyhopping rule" "cos of those other servers"...
And after that new (()) "feature" "cos of those other servers"...
Double_Name does not make you a roleplayer...
All "those other servers" already dropped registrations from sites and passworded servers...
Bunnyhopping is not any advantage as can be used by everyone...
Have no idea why this (()) is set as a god of RPG? Wanna roleplay chat - use /l and /me, wanna non-roleplay chat - use /p or just text... Why more rules on things that are running already...
As I already said in other topic:
The bad dancer always blames his nuts... (Russian saying)
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I'm just wondering, is there a reason the people are made so slower then in SP, changing that back to normal would solve this whole issue. I don't know if this is true but I heard this slowness thing does not happen in some other servers.
Putting that thought aside, if you can get a rule going so it applied to everyone and not just people who feel like following it, then I would support it.
UsePlayerPedAnims();
It would make everyone run like CJ
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We don't want that, though (as much as I prefer the walk of CJ ten times over) because then people would run around like crazy mooses. :neutral:
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Have no idea why this (()) is set as a god of RPG? Wanna roleplay chat - use /l and /me, wanna non-roleplay chat - use /p or just text... Why more rules on things that are running already...
I understand your points about the other things such as bunnyhopping and I support them. But I find (()) useful sometimes, in confusing circumstances.
Such as once I pmed Haldir, asking if I could have a business set in Fort Carson, I went to Fort Carson to show him where I would want it set and when I saw Haldir was there as a Bone County Police Officer, he said "Hello, what do you want" (Or something along those lines) in local chat. I wasn't sure if this was IC as a police officer or OOC about the business I was asking could be set, so I asked "((Is this OOC?))" in local chat because I wasn't sure if he wanted me to reply as my character or about the business.
I don't use (()) much, but sometimes in confusing situations such as the one above, I have used them to stop any confusion that could be had, making them a good addition in a way.
But also, I do not think they should be scripted such as /ooc hello makes (( hello )), as people should be allowed to choose to use them or not, I'm just saying that I see the advantage of them.
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If everyone ran like CJ it would get worse. :devroll: (opinion)
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If everyone ran like CJ it would get worse. :devroll: (opinion)
Oh it would be horrible!
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Well no, the CJ run would be stupid because people would be way too fast to actually shoot :lol:
Bunny-Hopping would cease (as running is faster as CJ than jumping).
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Well no, the CJ run would be stupid because people would be way too fast to actually shoot :lol:
Yea I know, he runs like 2x faster than everyone :P
If you ever play a DM server that has his running style, you'll see that its hell when people run around
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Yea I know, he runs like 2x faster than everyone :P
If you ever play a DM server that has his running style, you'll see that its hell when people run around
Please, dont remind me it, those were horrible, horrible times..
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Nitrox, there was not either one chase that I haven't seen you bunnyhopping while on-foot. First you should stop doing it, then vote for it's eridication..
And yes, I voted for yes, because it is very stupid ..
When I was bunnyhopping, i did it because the Police behind me were bunnyhopping, cos otherwise they'd have an advantage, right?