Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: NitrOx on July 03, 2008, 11:34:51 am
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Hello All, so here is my guide for criminals and what to do before doing the crime you want to do..
Points of what to do before performing an crime..:
- Spend time on thinking what crime do you want to do, will this crime be polite, and not ruining events and/or get you kicked/banned..
- Can I handle this kind of crime? Think about that aswell.. because if you want to do an big organised crime, make sure you have at least 3 people that got your back .. So think before acting the crime/or calling the cops
- Robberies: Think before you try to rob someone, If the guy looks powerfull or is it, I suggest you not to rob him, since the guy who your robbing could be terribly heavily armed.. but if he's powerfull or rich and unarmed, there might be a chance they give you money and roleplay it.. It's actually 50-50 (( dont bother if its 25$.. it's about the roleplaying of the crime..
- Drivebying: Firstly, when in a chase, of an organised crime, I recommend you have the following things nearby: Helicopter above you, incase car might blow, a SMG, Micro SMG or Tec9 incase the cops driveby you.. and maybe even an escape boat.. A tip is just to avoid the Police, and let the best driver drive.. and when drivebying do it with some roleplay.. use the /me command.. for example, /me takes out an Tec9, reloads it hangs out window and tries hitting the police cars tires..
- The Escape: Make sure you have an good escape plan.. the escape is the most important part of an successfull organised crime, not just going out, wait for cops to come, and try killing them.. not going to happen to be able to kill all.. they will just keep getting re-inforcements untill you are down.., no you need an escape.. So think before acting the crime/or calling the cops ;; Example: You got a hostage in Bayside, Step 1 : Explore the area, find some roads where you can run/put some vehicles ready.. Example the Dock House in Bayside, How can I escape from there? And would the escape be cleanly without any friends dying.. It has to be a solid escape plan.. , So behind the dockhouse, there's an area where police cannot see you from the land they are coming from.. If you do it there, I suggest you to plant boats behind the dockhouse, so you can make an Quick and Solid escape.. ( also an Heli is recommended/and or an airplane waiting for you at the airport..)
- Kidnappings: First of all; check if any ARPD is Online.. or an Cadet that you know he can roleplay well and wont just come and shoots, then check if any friends are out there that will be able to help you.. then pick a location, where you should bring the hostage.. If you are going to do a kidnapping, ask the hostage if he has time to be one before starting.
Being a hostage can be incredibly boring (although you can make it fun) and ruin the plans of someone. So ask them if they are willing to cooperate and if not, try to find another hostage and don't allways kidnap the same guy as a hostage.. It will become very boring for the hostage.. so do that politely, and not too much .. Also a tip is.. not to ask riduculous money ammounts for the hostage, like 20.000$ is ridiculously high.. I suggest the maximum of the ammount is 8k.. If you got a hostage.. call an ARPD Officer which you know can roleplay well, and let the hostage say something trough phone roleplayish for example when on phone, hostage is player 1 do for example: Player1: Help me!!! They're gonna cut off my toes!! Please help me!! When you got a hostage, there follows The Escape [read the upper section "The Escape" for that..
-What to do if lots of Criminals are after you?
I suggest you call the Police, best is SWAT, Tell them a location, for example a roadblock at Los Santos Airport, and then go there , to the Safe Zone
- Drug Dealing:
This is a way to make money the roleplaying way.. so what do you need? Let's start with the Selling of Drugs.. First of all you need a stash.. Don't do drug deals if you do not have any weed/heroin supplies.. Second of all, know who you are dealing with! That is the most important thing in a Drug Deal.. Safe Deals.. Deal with someone who you trust.. if there is a guy that just calls you and says, hey i want to buy drugs, It's pretty obvious it's probably F.B.I. or other Police trying to frame you on another name/character.. Or a mole with FBI.. Police can also be recognised in the talking of the buyer/seller.. for example: Hey there , I want to buy heroin! But only 5 grams! , that's a example.. I recommend you to not do small deals.. as you can be screwed over big time.. Also make sure the dealer has a suitcase with money in it, and it would be a fair trade.. Most important thing is to do deals with people who you trust alot... and avoid the police off course.. and also before doing the drug deal I recommend you to plan an Escape.. Read Escape Section example: You make a deal in Ocean Docks.. you need backup plan if its police and you get raided.. So what would I do? Before meeting the guy.. or telling him about location, I would place a boat at the back of Ocean Docks, near the other boat.. So you can jump in the water get in the boat and get away fastly.. Remember this.. I recommend you not to do very small deals.. big deals are almost never Police..
- Smuggling Drugs
So you bought some drugs.. you would have to save it somewhere so it couldnt be found off course! (roleplayish ) So imagine an warehouse or storage somewhere or an hideout.. Off Course you have to avoid Police at any sight! For example, theres some kind of building in Ocean Docks, open building.. you could drive it there, but if the deal was in ocean docks, I recommend you not to bring it there, since cops will search that area if they find any trail.. It would be better if you do LS deal.. you store the stash in another storage out of town..
- Streetgangs.
Under Construction
This was Criminal Guide V1.0.. to be updated.. I hope you guys appreciate it, and please post some points what I might have forgot to add, where I can type a extra text by..
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Not a bad guide, Nitrox, good work.
Points of what to do before performing an crime..:
- Spend time on thinking what crime do you want to do, will this crime be polite, and not ruining events and/or get you kicked/banned..
Rofl @ polite crime :lol:
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Just some small addition. If you are going to do a kidnapping, ask the hostage if he has time to be one before starting.
Being a hostage can be incredibly boring (although you can make it fun) and ruin the plans of someone. So ask them if they are willing to cooperate and if not, try to find another hostage.
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thanks , i forget that i guess, i'll add it right away :))
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Great Work.
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Thanks for compliments guys.. let's hope I can make it better, so wait untill release v1.1 :P, also some tips would be nice or some things too add..
(( probably in V1.1 will be a video of a successfully crime.. so theres a better sight how to do it..
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Updated 2 sections extra..
- Smuggling
-Drug Dealing
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Nice idea, the guide will be useful for new players to learn how to RP a crime rather than running around shooting at people.
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- Robberies: Think before you try to rob someone, If the guy looks powerfull or is it, I suggest you not to rob him, since the guy who your robbing could be terribly heavily armed.. but if he's powerfull or rich and unarmed, there might be a chance they give you money and roleplay it.. It's actually 50-50 (( dont bother if its 25$.. it's about the roleplaying of the crime..
A good example is the number of times it has been tried against me is to be very much aware of what that person does on the server. Trying to Rob a SAPD Chief who is on foot patrol is not a good idea, especially when that person happens to also be SWAT. member. In fact any on-duty police / SWAT or FBI are very bad targets for robbery. I have even ended up with a gun pointed at me, and me pointing one back, niether backing off at first, during that time other units are on route!
A Big tip for criminals is to NOT head towards a large group of police.
The number of times SAPD setting up for an operation has had a criminal turn up suddenly has been fun, mainly because in those situations where it is clear that the criminal is running and unlikely to give up, the whole collection of SAPD at the setup meeting open up without warning.
Another caution.
Do NOT complain if SAPD has not asked you to surrender if you shoot at them at close to medium range, they are entitled to take you down without warning if their lives are at threat.
Read WANTED section here (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=129&Itemid=78)
If you have been asked to surrender and have ignored it, and the chase has lasted a while since being asked, your running has denied you that right to complain about not getting asked to surrender near your eventual death or capture.
Do NOT keep running for ages and surrender just before you die while under fire, if you value your life that much then surrender much earlier, once cops are close enough to shoot surrender quickly, and if they where shooting at you due to non-compliance expect to die. The criminals that abuse this to deny police any income from their work are more likely to be killed infuture and will loose any respect in the eyes of the police.
There are a number of 'good' criminals that the police respect, mainly for the ability to RP and the way they try to make it enjoyable for both sides. To annoy cops will make it less fun for you.
With kidnappings I have seen many complaints against how heavy we reaspond as police.
If you ask for relatively high amounts of money we are more likely to kill you!
If SWAT react you better have a good escape route as they have shoot to kill authorisation, they do not worry if kidnappers are alive or not, they try to get the hostage alive, although in some cases is not going to be possible.
(also be careful with who you kidnap, each time I get kidnapped I use it to watch the police to see how we can improve!! )
Running or the escape.
Try and avoid using the following means:
Swimming, helicopter, plane or boat heading out to sea, your unlikely to be chased and will likey feel wrath of admins, worst case you crash out of game and stuck in middle of no where.
Planes or Helicopter, police have only 1 way to bring these down, we have no ground-to-air or air-to-air weapon systems, so expect to get rammed.
Boats, again not easy to deal with, ramming by any means most successul solution, even bumping by helicopter skids works.
Remember before you commit a crime
Under the current sripts a criminal will have to either die or surrender to get rid of criminal status, no other method is exceptable, especially quiting the game.
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Hey NitrOx Thanks for this guide becous now cop knows how Criminal works :P so if whe no there is a boat place near by when can set a boat there 2 :P but ok anyway Good Guide ;)
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It can be very diffrent DHRmike.. there's alot of possibliities
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Wait... criminals can use boats? I thought they couldn't?
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Criminals cannot swim
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Wait... criminals can use boats? I thought they couldn't?
In my admin work, if there is a criminal using a boat for an extended period (i.e. maybe over 15 minutes), they will be sent back to the shore. Its ok for a quick escape through San Andreas, but just sitting out at sea fishing is not good. ;)
As you noted, CBFasi, the only way to not be suspected is to be killed/jailed. Its generally my policy to fight to the death, as I lose my guns on 1/2 of jails anyway, I lose more money to the cop anyway, and it takes a damn sight longer. I only surrender if I think the police deserve it.
To run with this policy, sometimes I have to go. Therefore, I cannot just surrender - so I usually go to one of my many standoff-places and fight until I die.
In terms of the guide, I think its important as a criminal to have safe places which have good cover where you can stop and kill off some pursuers and then continue, or regroup with others whilst defending the position. Simply driving around will kill you eventually (I was driving around Los Santos for 2 1/2 hours once, didn't once leave the city, finally they got me in a Pay n' Spray ;))
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Criminals are the fault of San Andreas. Criminals must be stopped. Do not promote it - they ruin life.
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Whether IC or OOC (if you're into that kind of thing), criminals are San Andreas, whether you believe that or not.
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Nice guide!
And i agree with Panda.
Criminals will always exist, no matter what.
Unless some Angels will come and kill anyone who is even thinking about the smallest crime like stealing a candy.
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Criminals are the fault of San Andreas. Criminals must be stopped. Do not promote it - they ruin life.
For streetgangs its called 'surviving' not 'ruin the city to shit'
-What to do if lots of Criminals are after you?
I suggest you call the Police, best is SWAT, Tell them a location, for example a roadblock at Los Santos Airport, and then go there , to the Safe Zone
In my opinon its a bad idea, criminals should fight criminals, don't get police involved they messup everything :razz:
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In my opinon its a bad idea, criminals should fight criminals, don't get police involved they messup everything :razz:
I think he meant if you are not a criminal ;)
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Be careful when you have standoffs. A lot of cops seem to think that a group of criminals having a standoff, and working together, is a "Riot" or.. "DM Party" even though not a single rule is being broken. I will not give away my criminal secrets here, as if I did that, Everyone could easily be successful. I have 1 year of experience as a criminal on Argonath. You learn a lot.
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- Robberies: Think before you try to rob someone, If the guy looks powerfull or is it, I suggest you not to rob him, since the guy who your robbing could be terribly heavily armed.. but if he's powerfull or rich and unarmed, there might be a chance they give you money and roleplay it.. It's actually 50-50 (( dont bother if its 25$.. it's about the roleplaying of the crime..
- Drug Dealing:
This is a way to make money the roleplaying way.. so what do you need? Let's start with the Selling of Drugs.. First of all you need a stash.. Don't do drug deals if you do not have any weed/heroin supplies.. Second of all, know who you are dealing with! That is the most important thing in a Drug Deal.. Safe Deals.. Deal with someone who you trust.. if there is a guy that just calls you and says, hey i want to buy drugs, It's pretty obvious it's probably F.B.I. or other Police trying to frame you on another name/character.. Or a mole with FBI.. Police can also be recognised in the talking of the buyer/seller.. for example: Hey there , I want to buy heroin! But only 5 grams! , that's a example.. I recommend you to not do small deals..
I think your doing it to your roleplay character, for me I would rob anyone whos in my area, and do any kind of deals not just 'big' deals and 'big' robberies.
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This was a very good Criminal Guide. I hope many peoples will learn from this & just not shoot someone or so...
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I liked !
Thanks
And good work :)
:m4: :sig:
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bump**
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And the reason for the bump is?
:ps: Nice guide, NitrOx
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And the reason for the bump is?
"Nice guide"
:ps: No civilian guide? :D
Just kidding :razz:
:ps: S. Very good guide, Nitrox! ;)
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nice bumb..
lol i liked the guide =D
and cbf's guide too
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Hmmm better update this for RS4.
1. Criminals can swim, but they must not dive and they must not swim out to sea or across an enormous lake / river when there is another way to take the route
2. Sitting out at sea fishing (going off-map) will not lead to a cancelsuspect
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Hmmm better update this for RS4.
1. Criminals can swim, but they must not dive and they must not swim out to sea or across an enormous lake / river when there is another way to take the route
2. Sitting out at sea fishing (going off-map) will not lead to a cancelsuspect
Good idea
And what about the small canal at SFAP?
There is only one ladder (/enter) to climb up
How about add more ladder? (/enter)
Or maybe add some Coast Guard or other Boat at the small dock
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Oh, the g' old Criminal guide, I'll update it later.
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I think it totally missed the part for streetgangs.
But thats an old guide..so lets wait for NitrOx to update this shizzle.
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I posted an new Section: StreetGangs, I will update that soon.
:ps: If you have ANY suggestions for a section in this guide, feel free to post it!!
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Lol nice one Nitr0x
have fun with the guide, criminals :]
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I always failed with my evil plans to kidnap JDC =(
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Did you tried to explain me ? :razz: Great work Nitrox , thanks .