Argonath RPG - A World of its own

GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 07:57:07 pm

Title: Requesting to lock
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 07:57:07 pm
I cam to this conclusion: it isn't that bad to be Official, i was selfish i admitt that :redface:, its good to got some new guys entterring the server to enjoy the RP :D
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 07:57:44 pm
Requesting topic locked
Dude, try to be happy for this community.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Dr J. Cohen on September 22, 2008, 08:00:41 pm
Guys i just wanna say, Your shoving the regulars away and welcome new ones. yes thats ok to welcome new ones.

But really what would the server be like without your regulars?

The admins most of them have turned to strict on us its ridiculous we cant roleplay really anymore.


And dont start people with "requesting topic lock" because im not the only one.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:02:48 pm
Requesting topic locked
Dude, try to be happy for this community.

i can't be happy if i do a traffic stop and i egt freaking carkilled or shot by somebody who can't RP.. alot of People Pmed me who agreed with me, why going official if we had a nice community, the Argonath wasn't happy with what they reached already ? they want more ? 

i see here that the quantity counts and NOT the quality!!
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 08:11:04 pm
To expand the community ?
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 08:19:12 pm
Okay first of all sorry for doube posting.
Ask your self if you wanted to be official if you have your own RPG server ?
The new players you claim to call rulebreakers and I must agree with you we all have been rule breakers, they just need to fit in the community and learn to use the commands and proper RP.
Someday they are regular people and maybe admins ?
Then they are gonna help this communtity growing and developing.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 08:20:33 pm
I dont like your sentence "We cant roleplay really anymore", you can you just have to pay more attention whats going on around you and at the chat. I know its hard and you need to get used too it but I think its the only way to RP. When I came in server I RPed and I must agree its hard but its not impossible because it can be done.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Inkognito on September 22, 2008, 08:23:17 pm
I do not support this petition. I agree that first days being back in official status - is a hell. As we were unofficial, players forget our rules. After few weeks of hard-working, patience, our players support to teach new players - everything will be in the good positions. Being in official servers list for Argonath will be for good.

Added: You are talking only about that what player feels. Think about what we (admins) feeling now. A lot of haxours, a lot of rulebreakers. You just feeling them rulebreaking. We have to warn them for it, and teach about our server. Do you think, it's hard moment only for you? NO. It's a lot of easier for you, than for us. Actually, we are here, to help newcommers. I would like to ask one question. When you came to Argonath, weren't you warned for rulebreaking, until you understood the rules? - Everyone was.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on September 22, 2008, 08:26:49 pm
Well, i dont wanna be rude, but Xavas is TOTALLY right! the server is total madness, i have to spam ALL my messages before the one supposed to gets them...

This server looks nice now with all regulars, but eventually regulars are the one to learn them EVERYTHING(!), and that will be boring...
That is the reason i left last time when it went official: First i tried to help the new ones, but its work with NO end, and if any regular wants THAT, i think he is a good person with A LOT OF patience!

Good luck with this, i hope this will be turned back soon!
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 08:28:21 pm
Like I said last time we got official status, give it time, give it a chance.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Inkognito on September 22, 2008, 08:29:05 pm
Just calm down. Chaos will be gone after few weeks. As we are 'new' server in official list - everyone wants to try it. As everyone will know what a hell we are, they will not 'attack' us that hard, as they are doining that now ;)
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:31:29 pm
i have been warned and kicked and banned for Flaming, not for hakcing, carkilling or other things i agree a part with you, but before you can play you should go read the rules

you know i stopped a vehicle as cop and they start to atack me or shoot me for no reason ? or they start flying cars or shoot me with a gun that isn't possible to have here.... I hate that, i cannot take such things, sorry... I do'nt support the official Server... I will give it 1 week time, if nothing has changed, and when its still a freaking hell i leave.

I said what i wanted to say, thats all, do with it what you want, i don't care really, but i remember the first time we went official, the rookies took over the server.... and that was NO RP anymore it wasn't argonath RPG but argonath DM...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Aragorn on September 22, 2008, 08:31:48 pm
Well, i dont wanna be rude, but Xavas is TOTALLY right! the server is total madness, i have to spam ALL my messages before the one supposed to gets them...

Yes you made me almost kick you from server for your flood and shitting chat on server with omfg admins react...
Stop moaning and thinking that admins turned away from regulars...
I made a special topic for the regulars to understand the situation and help as they can... If you cannot help and instead help making more problems for server and admins - do not complain... Your flood in chat makes server more messy then new players who come...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Dr J. Cohen on September 22, 2008, 08:32:46 pm
I meant informal complaint as like a general talk.

Im not complaining i just want you to be aware of the situtaion :}
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:35:32 pm
We are not moaning Aragorn, you took a shot to become official couple of months ago, and lot of regulars left then, i see the same happening again. rookies take over the place and do what ever they feel like, you need to flood a freaking message before somebody can read it.... Not cool, no RP, no fun, sorry to say, i  liked argonath unofficial. We had alot of people, now the quantity counts, not the quality...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 08:36:44 pm
Nico, you are moaning with the other people. You are one of the players ingame who is advertising ingame and saying we dont want official rank. Is that not moaning ?
Live with it as I said.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Gillie_Da_Kid on September 22, 2008, 08:37:46 pm
Just calm down and get used to it okay?
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on September 22, 2008, 08:39:14 pm
First of all: Omri, im glad your back but the request for a topic lock isnt right, if this community is good they let EVERYONE say their opinion!

Second: I agree with this totally; I had to walk for 5 minutes to find a car where no one was in...
on the road to that car i got driven over, shot at and a few cars i was in i got carjacked of... This way the RP sucks really hard.

I think this community was better when it wasnt official, everyone knew each other, now these new guys get all attention and regulars are being shoves away! we only get attention by being kicked / warned for spamming or something...

The last time I left argonath, was when it went official too: i tried to learn those new guys how to RP and the rules, but its work with NO end...
And why did we fail last time in being official? Why did I see almost no old regulars of Argonath when i came back?
They left because of the CHAOS, lack of ATTENTION of admins, etc. etc.

I Agree: admins do have a hard job, and i tried to learn 1 player the rules of server and rules of RP this night...
Conclusion of that: He didnt listen and just started ramming / carkilling / etc.

Its a damn hard job to get those new guys in the community, and i think many wont make it and keep coming back with cheats and fly around like harry potter!

And last thing i want to say: My crashing amount went up with 5 times since the 125 slots, im lagging constanly with so many people...
And if developers are complaining about the bad sync; This wont help, so many people...

I think you guys ALL agree with some little things, and if you dont agree with ANY OF THESE, i dont believe you!

Greetz Thomas Crof, that is getting mad of CHAOS in the server!
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Aragorn on September 22, 2008, 08:40:53 pm
Wow you know server's statistics? Hardly... As the last time we were official we gained more roleplayers, which means not "a lot of" regulars left, neither quantity was over quality...

If you cannot accept new players incoming - I cannot help you here... Argonath has a 3 years experience of increasing players and teaching them the roleplay which our servers support...

All flood gets negatively by admins and players... If you will continue mess on server - flooders will be kicked... And btw I gave this order to admins to control the chat that its not messy of some pissed off regulars who cannot handle newcomers...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:41:03 pm
i give it one week time els i leave, fini.. don't got anything more to say
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:42:12 pm
Wow you know server's statistics? Hardly... As the last time we were official we gained more roleplayers, which means not "a lot of" regulars left, neither quantity was over quality...

If you cannot accept new players incoming - I cannot help you here... Argonath has a 3 years experience of increasing players and teaching them the roleplay which our servers support...

All flood gets negatively by admins and players... If you will continue mess on server - flooders will be kicked... And btw I gave this order to admins to control the chat that its not messy of some pissed off regulars who cannot handle newcomers...


it got nothing to do with ''handle it'' as admin you cna protect yourself and the server itself against rulebreakers, but in the mean while i report a carkiller or DM i got killed 5 times...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 08:42:19 pm
Yes there is chaos ingame, I feel sorry for the admins to be honest.
But RaSgO, dont you think Argonath need to expand a little more ?

When we do expand, the time will grant us with:

More Regulars
More admins
More developing
New friends

I know its damn hard to get used to the official rank as its hard to RP as before but it can be done if you are just trying hard enough.
We all have been new players once, it took time to learn the rules/commands/ and more.

Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Aragorn on September 22, 2008, 08:43:02 pm
Then leave now... And stop demanding and making deals here... You cannot teach even one newcomer to roleplay and demand from others to sit and do their best to keep you here?
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 08:43:21 pm
i give it one week time els i leave, fini.. don't got anything more to say

I must tell you then, you give up too quick. You gave it a chance instead of just quick taking a decission ?
But Bye its your choice, I cant force you to stay.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:44:07 pm
agreed with the lagging Thomas.... i got the same thing, you may call me a freaking moaner i don't care, its the truth we all say, do'nt lock topics to elt us shut up, we have the right to speak.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 08:45:13 pm
agreed with the lagging Thomas.... i got the same thing, you may call me a freaking moaner i don't care, its the truth we all say, do'nt lock topics to elt us shut up, we have the right to speak.

I must be high then ? I dont see any topics has been locked ?
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:45:25 pm
Quote
More admins

admins are needed badly at this point, but what will you do? make the half of the community Admin ? no . that would be rediculess..
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:47:16 pm
they aren't locked but i'm sure, if i keep disucssion or i will get banned, warned, banned from server/forum, or topic will get locked... cause you see it as moaning... i do'nt agree, lots of people PMed me that it was true, it should get unofficial..
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 08:47:37 pm
admins are needed badly at this point, but what will you do? make the half of the community Admin ? no . that would be rediculess..

Read my post again.
I wrote  " The time will grant us"
I did not mean now.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:47:52 pm
give it time? last time we went official we gave it time.....
its good to have some new players, there is alot of good new Rp talent in the world, but can't ther ebe made someything that before you can play you need to read rules or something ?
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Aragorn on September 22, 2008, 08:48:01 pm
Topics merged...

Stop moan about admins work as they do really work... If you have no patience - find some server which supports only regular roleplayers... Argonath never was never is and never will be close community of experienced only...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Myggen on September 22, 2008, 08:48:37 pm
Try to help them to learn RP. And if they keep Rulebreaking use /report [Id] [Reason]
Dont keep flaming them, becuse that will not help.

-Didrik
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:52:14 pm
Who said something about flaming them?
I agree aragorn... its good to get new Rp talent, but not on this way, cause now people come and go every second...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: smey on September 22, 2008, 08:54:00 pm
I have to admit I joined the server when it was official for the first time.

I'll give it a rest. We will see what happens in the future.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on September 22, 2008, 08:56:42 pm
Yes you made me almost kick you from server for your flood and shitting chat on server with omfg admins react...
Stop moaning and thinking that admins turned away from regulars...
I made a special topic for the regulars to understand the situation and help as they can... If you cannot help and instead help making more problems for server and admins - do not complain... Your flood in chat makes server more messy then new players who come...

Im not the one who said: OMFG admins react!
I didnt spam in main chat, only in PM... i think you are wrong about me...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:58:26 pm
why not Smey, guess we can give it another shot..  :neutral:..
 

we will see what has happened in this week, at the end of the week we will review our opinion

Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 08:59:26 pm
anyway i wish every developer, administrator, regular player, rookies good luck on the new argonath RPG
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Aragorn on September 22, 2008, 08:59:56 pm
Who said something about flaming them?
I agree aragorn... its good to get new Rp talent, but not on this way, cause now people come and go every second...

So what? Let them come and go... Server will get its new roleplayers - will increase community... Then if all server is with roleplayers - will increase slots to gain more newcomers... Little by little...

Panic like omfg I leave cos many newcomers is not what we pay attention... As we always had such situations...
You think it was easy with 3 admins running their work 24/7 with full server on MTA VC?

Or it was easy with 10 admins to run the first Argonath SA:MP server? Situation was even worse... Still you can see that we managed, we have a great community and we are happy...

We are not happy only when such guys come and instead of answering on our work with their responsibility for this server which was their home - "pack their bags and run to other village"... And especially I do not support "you guys go teach those noobs, as soon as you will teach them, then we will be back... Cos its kinda parasitism, sorry for such words...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 09:03:09 pm
Aragorn i can belive it was hard to run new servers etc with 3 admins, but i'm sure there weren't 100 slots filled with players if you were with 3 admins, and if you support us or not, we have the right on an opinion.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Gillie_Da_Kid on September 22, 2008, 09:03:21 pm
I Agree with Aragorn
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 09:05:17 pm
you may agree as much as i want, i'm not afraid to give my opinion. i come to a server to relax and have fun not to get Dmed constantly thats why i have chosen to play on an RPG server for more then a year and a half
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on September 22, 2008, 09:07:57 pm
I know Aragorn, admins do good work! i seen many already banned / kicked / warned...
And i like the idea of making the community bigger, but at this point: its hard to get a car, its hard to survive...
I know its hard to hold against all those rulebreakers / hackers as admins, but i dont think admins should fully ignore us!

I think I can live with the official part, but then ill be away for a few days probably, till everything has cleared up...
Its just pissing me off that i cant even chat with someone normally because ever new guy is asking how to become officer or something.

Ill do my best to teach those guys the rules of server and rules of RP, but Im asking the admins to just not totally ignore us


Hope this will do good, and ill watch the situation over in a few days and hope the chat will be less chaos and there will be less DMers etc.



Greetz Thomas Crof
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Aragorn on September 22, 2008, 09:11:32 pm
Aragorn i can belive it was hard to run new servers etc with 3 admins, but i'm sure there weren't 100 slots filled with players if you were with 3 admins, and if you support us or not, we have the right on an opinion.

Who said you have no rights on your opinion? If we would not be free in opinion, this topics could be locked already, I believe...

3 admins ( 24/7) were serving 26 players with constant attacks of flamers from other servers and crashers... When we opened Argonath on SAMP - 10 admins on all day (24 hours) were serving 75 players... Argonath was always equal and stable in average of players (plus/minus)... Amount of incomers was 100%... All who were coming - all new players... Mess? Frankly speaking - we did not feel any mess... We took it as it should be and were working with teaching players... From this players went out our community leaders, scripters, admins, clans and mafias...

But nobody panic, nobody moaned, all were helping - and RIGHT THIS was the main why players choose Argonath...

Right now all what YOU are doing - ruining this years of our work by flooding chat, screaming at players and blaming admins... You cannot imagine what negative you bring on server... Much more then any newcomer...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Traser on September 22, 2008, 09:14:25 pm
Unofficial  :banana:
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Wash on September 22, 2008, 09:16:23 pm
I hope this topic is locked. The server should stay as it is, It's more lively with all these other people on, and besides, How many of you people joined when Argonath was official before. Don't be so selfish, and you have the whole of SA to roleplay in, how can you not roleplay?
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Caltson on September 22, 2008, 09:17:49 pm
Can i remind you i joined argonath when the server was official last time?
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 09:19:06 pm
i can't RP in a simple traffic stop, the kill me for no reason....
enuogh discussion


i can't handle it, i'm Traffic POlice officer, i pull over somebody for speeding, ramming and they carkill/kill me for no reason.. what shall i do? ask surrender or not shoot right away? or let him commit his traffic crimes?
What is my role inside the server if i even can't Rp a simple traffic stop?

i see this won't work out


 i rest my case,

RQ to lock and delete the topic
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Chill on September 22, 2008, 09:20:38 pm
Roleplaying will be harder now than before indeed, that's why I think we need alot more admins and also opening the admin application again. Otherwise; it's offical, it's great. And as Inko said, it'll all steady out.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Gandalf on September 22, 2008, 09:27:58 pm
hello Argonath,

Today i saw we were back official Server, i have been carkilled/killed/DM/.... after being logged in for 5 minutes...
The last time we were official, the server was full with alot of rookies who do NOT know the Word Role Play, who do not know to NOT flood, NOT to hack,....

According to your forum profile you joined here in July 2008. As most players join shortly after they start playing, there is a good chance that you were not around last time. Or that you 'had' to change your name because of your behavior.

We expected that a number of regular players would not be happy, as the LS part of the server will be crowded with new players who do not know what to do.
Last time it proved to be a boost in players going to other parts of San Andreas instead of hanging around LS. I hope this time it will be the same.
Regarding lag, we will be checking the situation and monitoring the server. Both the processor values and ping are acceptable, if they will not be we will bring down the slots.
However that may cause people not to be able to connect and we try to avoid that.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Carhartt on September 22, 2008, 09:31:06 pm
I think it's kinda cool that the server became official again, sure it is fucking annoying to get rammed, insulted, DMed and abused 24/7, but hey, after 1-2 months all of us will know that it was a good step, I am sure the community will gain loads of new RPers.
Nico Toscani / RaSgo, look, San Fierro is still a ghost town, just go there and I am sure nobody will disturb you, more veterans could come to San Fierro or a little village in the desert, it can be really cool, believe me.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on September 22, 2008, 09:35:29 pm
I totally changed my mind:

I went back in the server and found: The chat was as usual, no chaos!
There were less people in the server
Less DMing / hacking / carkilling

In this condition I have no problems! i even made some new friends :D
And a lot of them are good RPers, they only need to get the rules told, what i done to some of them

Its good this way, and well done admins !

Greetz Thomas Crof, which is not happy with the server!
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: JohhnyJaz on September 22, 2008, 09:42:40 pm
I dont agree with this idea. I want it to be official we will be more popular. Well if you see a dmer or a guy who needs help try to help him so he learns. Even you dmed at the begining but learned. Thats whats all about. just tell them please dont carkill its against the rules if you need i can help you. say that to him. And he will stop or ask for help if he doesnt just try using /report [id] [reason] if admins dont do anything its because maybe they are busy or they dont have proof to kick/ban/warn them. In some time this server will be with no dmers cause people will learn. Everbody learns. Also Gandalf,Aragorn,Gimli,Sharpis,Crimson,Legoles all learned they didnt know all stuff at the begining. And maybe they all dmed and the begining like people in argonath now. They will learn dont wory just give them some time. Some of them wont like argonath and will leave and some of them will like argonath and learn to roleplay. You just need to help them out. They will be good rpers some of them that you complain on them. Some of them that you complain on them they will be better rper's then you or Aragorn or Gandalf. Just Give them time and they will learn.

Thank you for Reading this.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: The_Wolf on September 22, 2008, 09:44:26 pm
Last time we became official joined almost 50% of the current SA:MP admin team (not sure if the statistic is correct, but I am sure it is close enough...)
This certainly means that not only good roleplayers were attracted to the server, but stable and experienced players, who do not rulebreak and follow and enforce all rules of the server.

Last time we became official - same moaning and shouting to get the server off list... There were 3 waves of new admins just to keep server clean and normal. Players complain they have no time for roleplay? Look at admins - all the time reports and flame, rulebreak and deathmatch, hacking and moaning... Think if they will have time to roleplay?
Think also if they won't work their asses off for the new and regular players, so then can learn (newcomers) and play normally and calm (regular players).
Did any admin complain - no...

You have to think not only for yourself ... if you want to roleplay normal - go to San Fierro and roleplay there. You won't be able to see new players' "spam" and "flood" and you will have normal time.
If you want to be a good Argonath regular and help the community - go in the "newcomers hell" and start trying to help admins and teach players... Ofcourse, it's not your job to do it and nobody can tell you to, but only thing is going to happen - the process of newcomers learning and becomeing regulars will speed up...

Think about it ;)
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: shwazz on September 22, 2008, 09:48:34 pm
i can understand the concerns of the vets of argonath, but i think that it will boost the community numbers and also have a positive effect on the reputation of argonath, as more people will see why its such a great server to play on

Shwazz :)
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: adam_stevens on September 22, 2008, 09:49:25 pm
Couldnt be arsed to read all the pages, anyway, BURN IN HELL. Let it stay official. We got plenty of new rp'ers from last time we were official. Also, we got admins to deal with rulebreakers. DMers will get pissed after bein kicked all the time anyway and will eventually leave. Also, do not like to be dm'ed or carkilled? Move to more quiet places, this will probably get San Fierro, Las Venturas or any country sides more populated which again is great! I totally cant support this. Official ftw.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Abraham on September 22, 2008, 09:51:37 pm
I would like to say that Argonath becoming Official is a great thing, I enjoy the server much more when it's official to when it's unofficial.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 09:54:38 pm
Just live with it.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Grovyle on September 22, 2008, 09:58:00 pm
Remember you were newcommers too and dmed, hacked, flammed, and sh1t. And then some people helped you to roleplay, and became a good RPer. That should happen with the newcomers.

-.-...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: JohhnyJaz on September 22, 2008, 10:00:59 pm
Remember you were newcommers too and dmed, hacked, flammed, and sh1t. And then some people helped you to roleplay, and became a good RPer. That should happen with the newcomers.

-.-...
yep it true and did you take it from my reply :P
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Roger_Murtaugh on September 22, 2008, 10:12:31 pm
Gandalf I'm lance lassard start to play here june2007.



you guys are right actualy... I'm selfish, I better can help the new guys and learn them a bit to things.
I'm happy I made this topic cause all of you have opened my eyes, it isn't a bad to be oficial :redface:
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 22, 2008, 10:14:29 pm
Gandalf I'm lance lassard start to play here june2007.



you guys are right actualy... I'm selfish, I better can help the new guys and learn them a bit to things.
I'm happy I made this topic cause all of you have opened my eyes, it isn't a bad to be oficial :redface:

Thats the spirit, just give it a chance mate, its worth it trust me. I had the same attitude last time we got official status ( Maybe because I was an admin there and had to ban all the hackers :) ).
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: The_Wolf on September 22, 2008, 10:17:46 pm
Man, I'm good :lol:
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: John_Vaughan on September 22, 2008, 10:19:08 pm
Pffft.

Nico, You really don't like Argonath Don't you?

I'm not and not supporting this idea...

If you don't like it, There are many other RPG Servers outside, Try them and see if they are better than Argonath or not.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Abraham on September 22, 2008, 10:23:18 pm
Pffft.

Nico, You really don't like Argonath Don't you?

I'm not and not supporting this idea...

If you don't like it, There are many other RPG Servers outside, Try them and see if they are better than Argonath or not.
Read the quote in Omris post.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: murderboy on September 22, 2008, 10:26:23 pm
give them a change, we all have been newbs here,
learn them how to play and it will be fine with much more RPers
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: lavamike on September 22, 2008, 10:32:10 pm
To some it may seem like total madness but ALL of us started the same way, give them a chance and help them so they can help others and so on...

If the server never went official the first time I would probably would have not even know the server existed, so I am glad it did...
 ;)

Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Squeak on September 22, 2008, 10:36:20 pm
Hmm, the server becoming official once more can be positive and negative.
OMFRGSH New Admin waves can open up, sweet.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Hyper on September 22, 2008, 11:11:10 pm
I knew somebody would post a topic like this. Try to respect the scripters work and let them enjoy becomming bigger and more known in the SA:MP community Nico Toscani. We have been official for not even one day and you already start complaining. Try to face it for a while and then if you don't like it, leave. But don't instantly start whining about this, give it a chance.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: David_Omid on September 22, 2008, 11:28:57 pm
I for one like the server on the offical list. It gives us a lot more players and gives administration something to do!

Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on September 22, 2008, 11:44:16 pm
I for one like the server on the offical list. It gives us a lot more players and gives administration something to do!



but more importantly gives you more customers for your weed selling business.  :cool:
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: David_Omid on September 23, 2008, 12:05:21 am
I don't sell weed...or do I?  :trust:

My gun shop is going GREAT though!  :banana:
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on September 23, 2008, 12:15:31 am
I don't sell weed...or do I?  :trust:

My gun shop is going GREAT though!  :banana:

Im talking about myself.  :poke: Well atleast when Im bored.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Brains on September 23, 2008, 12:35:19 am
Well, nothing to say just its nice that we re official now and for ppl who dont like it, pls dont be mad on new players..Instead of that teach them and tell what they should and what shouldnt do, so it will be better for all of us.. :)
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Proxan on September 23, 2008, 12:44:15 am
I for one like the server on the offical list. It gives us a lot more players and gives administration something to do!



yes alot more work , im looking forward to it.
We will keep growing bigger and bigger.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: MasterNeo on September 23, 2008, 01:51:44 pm
yes alot more work , im looking forward to it.
We will keep growing bigger and bigger.


 Ya, more then ur avatar -.-. BTW, i will never support this idea :).I love the server becoming official again ^^
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Nexxt on September 23, 2008, 02:20:13 pm
Guys, listen up:

See this as a kind of advertisement, we are official again.
More people are joining the server, we get more hackers / rulebreakers.
But we have the admins who are doing his job very well.

They have it in their hands, so we dont have anything to being angry of.
This are just new people, u were also new.

They dont know how to RP maybe, but we can learn them.
To improve their RP skills, everyone have been bad RP before.

I was, u was, main admins were, u dont know everything when u play a RPG for first time, just use your fantasy.

But look at this schedule:


Becoming official -> More players -> Rulebreaker / Hackers got kicked -> We have unexperienced RP'ers -> Experience will make u better -> U become good -> U are integrated into Argonath RPG.

You can compare this with just giving a fresh wave with players to Argonath, see this positive.
The begin is difficult, they have to learn the rules.
But when they know and and act like it... You dont say something anymore.

I hope some people will see this positive, there is no need to be negative!

Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Bianconeri on September 23, 2008, 02:22:23 pm
at the start i really liked to become official again,
but that is going down completely almost,
i always helped new players good,
but with those thousands of new players,
there are really a lot of rulebreakers, 100 times more then normal,

this is just getting to mad with all those rulebreakers

maybe we get 1000 new players, but of all those players maybe 50 will/want to become a great RPer
i wonder if all those rulebreakers are worth it,
you cant drive around normally without trouble of hackers/rulebreakers
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Nexxt on September 23, 2008, 02:29:02 pm
at the start i really liked to become official again,
but that is going down completely almost,
i always helped new players good,
but with those thousands of new players,
there are really a lot of rulebreakers, 100 times more then normal,
NOTE: Dont be afraid to help , admins will kick the rulebreakers.


this is just getting to mad with all those rulebreakers
NOTE: It's not, admins handles it

maybe we get 1000 new players, but of all those players maybe 50 will/want to become a great RPer
i wonder if all those rulebreakers are worth it,
you cant drive around normally without trouble of hackers/rulebreakers
NOTE: With the job of the admins, I can say in your story.
Then we gonna get 950 kicked ones. And that dont care, u will like it at the end. I know sure.


My comments are under:
NOTE:
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: stiffler2100 on September 23, 2008, 02:29:51 pm
lemme quote myself here

don't get me wrong. it's good to be on the official list, but when it was official last time all it caused was trouble. new players ARE of course welcome, but i don't respect most of them for just coming on and doing what ever they want causing trouble. too many new members is annoying, like when they 1st came it caused regulars to flame and new players just kept ramming and causing trouble which caused the server to drop massively in rp quality. meh, probs better to play late at night.

i do agree with xavious a bit

"Guys i just wanna say, Your shoving the regulars away and welcome new ones. "

what i think is that even when the server isn't official, we still get new players, but at a STEADY rate. unlike now it's just overcrowded with new people who you could try and teach but end up shoving it in your face and doing dm again
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Sammir on September 23, 2008, 02:39:09 pm
Try to learn some newcomers how to RP, they are new and maybe they don't know the rules yet... Best will be if you tell them to read the rules or just report them to admins, so stop moaning instead of doing it...
This is great opportunity for Argonath community
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Proxan on September 23, 2008, 02:44:46 pm
at the start i really liked to become official again,
but that is going down completely almost,
i always helped new players good,
but with those thousands of new players,
there are really a lot of rulebreakers, 100 times more then normal,

this is just getting to mad with all those rulebreakers

maybe we get 1000 new players, but of all those players maybe 50 will/want to become a great RPer
i wonder if all those rulebreakers are worth it,
you cant drive around normally without trouble of hackers/rulebreakers


We are doing everything we can to stop the rulebreakers hackers...
Its hard , yes it is alot of rulebreaks/hackers etc... but we work as a team and solve it...
Alot of patience is needed and a good admin team, Im very happy we got these great admins and also players helping new ones... Thats what makes Argonath RPG the best community.

Regards,
Proxan
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Hyper on September 23, 2008, 04:30:37 pm
Nexxt, you don't have to use a striking color like that to get attention. You're not some famous developer or something, so just talk in.. 'white'.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Nexxt on September 23, 2008, 04:38:35 pm
Nexxt, you don't have to use a striking color like that to get attention. You're not some famous developer or something, so just talk in.. 'white'.

I've always talked in 'orange' cuz i dont like white.
Now u are the first one, who dont like it.
 
Lol, I dont care, I accept it. But .. it isnt forbidden..
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: shwazz on September 23, 2008, 04:55:50 pm
although its good too see the server going official, ever since then ive been dm'ed a number of times even letting them no theres no dm'ing on the server and they do it any way, mabee they need to read the rules before joining the server   :rules:

Shwazz  :)
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Jcstodds on September 23, 2008, 05:18:44 pm

  I like meeting new players, seeing more RPers, more ideas on the server. It is a good opportunity for the community to grow.

  Of course there will be hackers and Deathmatchers' etc, but I daresay we have a skillful admin team, a lot of new admins, I think they will work well. Besides, it is a challenge the admins should be willing to embrace.

  So I say 'welcome' to all the new players, and have a good stay at Argonath; a world of its own.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: shwazz on September 23, 2008, 05:35:50 pm
lol lets just hope theres not 100 free cops running about Argo lol

Shwazz :)
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Chill on September 23, 2008, 05:40:39 pm
At the first I was a bit doubting about this, but I'm not at all now. We've seen alot encouraging admins, helpfull members and a nice community today. I'm really impressed, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Knoothead on September 23, 2008, 05:45:27 pm
HAHA, this topic is fail. Official is good, newcomers becomes regulars after some time :)
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Omri on September 23, 2008, 05:49:30 pm
HAHA, this topic is fail. Official is good, newcomers becomes regulars after some time :)

True though I dont play only around 1 hour a day.
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: stiffler2100 on September 23, 2008, 06:51:17 pm
HAHA, this topic is fail. Official is good, newcomers becomes regulars after some time :)

that post was fail, everyone is entitled to there own opinion on the official status, this just starts a convo on it. so don't tell people they're topics are fail when they're showing there opinion...
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Wael90 on September 23, 2008, 07:27:51 pm
New players = Refresh of Server...Don't you get tired of RPing with the same persons all the time? Give "newbies" some time, we as players must support admins in that matter, i know how it is to be an admin, believe me :) We work as a team, we get better results but complaining is no good for anyone...Makes us look bad while we should do our best to make the server a better place for all of us. Let Argonath shine people!
Title: Re: petition to become BACK unofficial!!
Post by: Yihka on September 23, 2008, 07:48:12 pm
Yep, give it some weeks and it will be better!

But to achieve this, all professional players need to help! Show how to RP! Tell them what they should not do! etc etc.

Give the right example.  :)
Title: Re: Requesting to lock
Post by: Pandalink on September 23, 2008, 07:54:32 pm
The bulk of Araatus when it had the most players was formed completely from players whom we recruited off the server who were new and had found us through the official list. Before we went official the first time, Araatus could not recruit. The fact that we went official meant that I had some guys to train and recruit.

So official = good.
Title: Re: Requesting to lock
Post by: Marc2984 on September 24, 2008, 08:29:32 am
Locked by request of topic starter

Topic locked
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