Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Wayne on October 21, 2008, 08:23:48 pm
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Hi guys.
Well yesterday a saw a thing that called my attention.
i picked the car which was parked in lspd, so it was belonged to a officer (didnt knew this), then i gave his car back saying sorry..
he was the best teacher ever! it's incredible, he teached to a admin to read freecop rules and how to be a freecop.. he even told the argonath site!
well, if you kick any player he will start arguing and send complains..
well.. i guess, players wanna eat admins in one piece?
so i'd made this topic to know if players or admins have already saw some situation like that.
and rate if the changes made in argonath is good or bad?
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the changes made in argonath is good or bad?
Bad.
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Both sides : Scripts got better...other things got worse.
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Certainly some of the players are gone bad.
Else Argonath is moving in a good direction, I assume.
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Certainly some of the players are gone bad.
Else Argonath is moving in a good direction, I assume.
Indeed
Argonath changed alot, good sides and bad sides.
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Argonath is Aronath never changed never will ( As far as i know )
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Argonath is Aronath never changed never will ( As far as i know )
Oh it did.
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Alot of things have changed.. but ive learnt to adapt.
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Argonath is Aronath never changed never will ( As far as i know )
If you cannot see changes then you have not been here long enough, I have been here from beginning of SA:MP Server, then if you started there then you would see ALOT of changes.
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oh it has changed alot
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well, considering i have been gone a while, and i get my PC back on the 24th, so i havent yet played, and seen the changes, whats change exactly, what gone bad? :)
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Not saying everything has changed to bad side but in generally i think that ye, it has become worse and all these new admins with their "im above everyone" attitude doesnt make life easier for a common player either
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Not saying everything has changed to bad side but in generally i think that ye, it has become worse and all these new admins with their "im above everyone" attitude doesnt make life easier for a common player either
Word ^^
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Not saying everything has changed to bad side but in generally i think that ye, it has become worse and all these new admins with their "im above everyone" attitude doesnt make life easier for a common player either
Agreed
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argonath didnt change, the people who play on it did.
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Baaaad
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I think alot of people now just want to be admins for teh power, or to feel important. But I joined like in March and it does seem things have changed. But What I really noticed was that it wasnt that Argonath changed but the players looks on it. Like awhen I frst started on Argonath, I looked around and thougth to myself "WOW!!! A whole big virtual city with real people around the world!!! So much detail, I want to go to forest and desert, its so cool!!!" I also wanted to join a group and become high in power. I have a totally whole different look on Argo now, and hopefully it wont change, if so for the better.
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Not saying everything has changed to bad side but in generally i think that ye, it has become worse and all these new admins with their "im above everyone" attitude doesnt make life easier for a common player either
Oh that I can really agree to
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i like how argonath changed not so much with the players they have really changed some pple that you think will never abuse do a couple times (not getting any 1 in trouble) so no names anyway i am hoping to love 4.0
Your Friend
Silver_CaponeT
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Not saying everything has changed to bad side but in generally i think that ye, it has become worse and all these new admins with their "im above everyone" attitude doesnt make life easier for a common player either
Couldnt put it better myself
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Couldnt put it better myself
The only time I had that attitude was when people were giving me shit for warning clans/groups when i was forum mod.
Ye, alot has changed over nearly three years of me being here..alot of people have changed also, but i'm not gonna start naming names...
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Totally bad! Bad bad bad
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Bad and good at the same time. Scripts changed, but players haven't. There is a lot of newbies rushing in, which is also good and bad. We will get a lot of new roleplayers, but at the same time we will just get people who just DM and can't understand its not a DM server. The question is: How do we filter roleplayers from DMers and hackers?. If we can solve that then it will be good. At the same time we also have to just ignore the DMers and hackers and simply hang around with the roleplayers. Just pretend they aren't there. If you get car killed by someone of course you're gonna get pissed, but what does that solve? The best thing to do it /report id reason and pretend it didn't happen.
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Not saying everything has changed to bad side but in generally i think that ye, it has become worse and all these new admins with their "im above everyone" attitude doesnt make life easier for a common player either
Word.
It's a lot of abusing from admins these days. I prefer admins who talks instead of giving players warning for small shitty things just to notify everyone that they're "the king of the hill" basicly. And that is a big issue for new admins. They wanna do as much as possible just to get "famous".
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When I started..Argonath was a baby..and it was hell nice: A lot of good RPers...good gangs..less clans.
I mean thats what Roleplay is about, beeing in a group of players which do the same like: Beeing a gang figtign other gangs. Or doing Business or whatever.
Now the mainpoint of most players starts like this: First you open a random-noob-gang by yourself, then you quit it because it sucks, then you join another gang which grows up a bit, but then decide to join a clan to get attetion so you decide to take WS or AV..when you have a good reputation you apply to be admin and get with the WS , AV tag 80%ly accepted. When yuu are an admin , you apply for Rstar..wait to be accepted and then quit AV and WS, thats the never ending circle of Argonath.
I think it turned bad. But lets not whine about the situation of the server..lets play on and shit.
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Hmm.
I've been here since the v1 scripts.
And honestly, I like it a HELL of a lot better then now.
Less stupidity [Well, You know what i mean ;)] and more roleplaying.
If i had a choice.
I would change it back.
<3,
Uber
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Man i loved these MTA:VC days when Rstar was still =MS=.
I didnt even knew Ron was the co-owner of the server and i was like "Man i swear i can evade cops better then you!"
And then Kaltsu on TS with that police radio, it was soo good for its time, so much people loved it.
Oyee and like working your ass off for some money to buy alittle business or a house, it wasnt about power, it was for fun.
Early SA:MP days were good also.
Mafia's were actualy making deals or fighting eachother instead of lame "meetings" that don't solve shit or max recruiting.
And Kaltsu with his police radio again and police academy, damn those were some good days.
Bayside, Dragon Fire, _Dragons, [CM]/_Corleone, [ML], [ALS] that was the real deal those days.
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I remember s as good memories, when _Dragons in SA:MP controlled all, they just was the best mafia/gang ever that time, remember they owned that bar or dicso in SF.
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Wow i am just reading back my old topic and some other old topic's from mafia's/gangs.
It sounds so fun that time.
Like some new gang attacks [CM] and then _Dragons, [TME], [ALS], [GSF] teamed up and helped [CM].
I am also prowd that i brought more RP in mafia's with that Firstname_[Family backname] thing, i see people are still using it on Argonath.
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Well people, I've seen a lot of these kind of topics while I have been in Argonath and I can say that those of you who say that it used to be better - they lie. It only seemed better, because back then there was that new kind of feeling, you all had, like somebody already said, big world to discover and a lot of goals to achieve. Now you have done most of them so there isn't nothing more to do for you. So if you are not occupied of achieving your goals now you begin to notice other things in Argonath, for example admins work.
The truth is players come and go, but as a group or a society Argonath stays the same, in proportional distribution there are still the same amount of roleplayers and deathmatchers. The attitude of the new admins are still the same what they used to be a year or even 2 years ago. For example someone here said that the new admins have that kind of "above everybody" attitude, well when Watti got his first admin rights back in 2006 he had the same problem.
Only thing that has changed really is the scripts, thx to what you are able to do a lot more then you used to.
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Jubin you really havent been online lately have you? Im here since September, 2007 and i recall Argonath having very few admins. I never had such problems as i have now and then i didn't even properly know rules. I changed name few days ago and got kicked because a regular reported me for carjacking even though i had never done it. Admin had no proof yet he just kicked me coz a regular reported. That really pisses off, and if it really was a new player i wouldn't be surprised if he just left for good after this. Did admins have same attitude a year ago? Some did probably but now when u get 10 times as much of those, believe me, its not really enjoyable.
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Did admins have same attitude a year ago? Some did probably...
You are answering your own question.
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and read further :p i do not want to continue discussion since some1 will get angry at me. Its just my opinion and thats it
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Well when i went on agro on SAMP i thought that the people was not polite i asked for help from the police and they said leave me alone you NOOB.I asked some of the players they said i am busy you noob.I felt like wow the SAMP should have a strong server and it is so popluar and all this is being harsh to everyone.So i personally thought that it is the people that place it that is bad not the scripts are good.
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Generally people was worse in RP before, now when ooc and such have become famous, RP is alot better. Scripts for the RP is better, but they are still more pointed to "fun" than "rp", which doesn't suit me very well. A few admins (not all, I've got many admin pals) have also, as John said become a bit upnoosed. "I'm better than you, I'm an admin, duhu" kinda way, a few of them are often too important to RP.
RP is more pointed in the fun kind of way and not as a real life thing, I ain't sayin' it's bad but generally there's better RP in RL servers. I feel like the admin team was more compact before and more player supported the A-team, nowadays you often see admins flaming each other behind their backs, or even in the main chat.
So, basicly the only reason I've stayed in Argonath is for the community, not the players. I like the individuals, but if you look at the bigger picture, it's worse. Scripts though, are growing to get better.
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back in the days argonath was about rp now its about who can pwn who more.
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back in the days argonath was about rp now its about who can pwn who more.
Exactly. Not more to say.
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I enjoyed the old Argonath (v1) much more than the current one.
People concentrated on the Roleplay, gaining new friends and having fun.
Everyone had enough money due to scripted jobs and the casinos, scamming didn't really exist and the gang / mafia RP was wonderful.
Today it's all about money and the job as admin, 10% of the server are actually RPing and following the "Act like in real life" theme.
People are whining because of any kind of shit, abusing the scripts, hacking, and other stupid stuff.
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I enjoyed the old Argonath (v1) much more than the current one.
People concentrated on the Roleplay, gaining new friends and having fun.
Everyone had enough money due to scripted jobs and the casinos, scamming didn't really exist and the gang / mafia RP was wonderful.
Today it's all about money and the job as admin, 10% of the server are actually RPing and following the "Act like in real life" theme.
People are whining because of any kind of shit, abusing the scripts, hacking, and other stupid stuff.
I agree with you no one want to do a other than a job that gives you money and fast
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It's a lot of abusing from admins these days. I prefer admins who talks instead of giving players warning for small shitty things just to notify everyone that they're "the king of the hill" basicly. And that is a big issue for new admins. They wanna do as much as possible just to get "famous".
I agree with the warning thing, and it is being addressed, I assure you.
Mafia's were actualy making deals or fighting eachother instead of lame "meetings" that don't solve shit or max recruiting.
Yea, well I wish we were allowed to fight - but hey.. pull a gun these days and you are a "DMer!" according to some/most people. Seriously, gangwars are perfectly fine if someone is there to moderate them. Heck, I'd do it. Its really not that hard.
RP is more pointed in the fun kind of way and not as a real life thing, I ain't sayin' it's bad but generally there's better RP in RL servers.
I was speaking to a player the other day who was searching through servers trying to find a good roleplay server.
He said something which I have come to understand - RP Servers are not the same as RPG Servers.
RP Servers, for the most part, are extremely harsh to players and new players are told to piss off, basically.
RPG Servers, for the most part, are calmer on the rules (whilst still keeping them) and new players are welcomed.
That said, I have found that some new players find Argonath very unwelcoming. Unless you can speak and type like a master right from the start, and look really pro, you're not about to break into any of the best gangs because they will think that you're.. well.. a 'noob'.
RL/RP Servers also, for the most part, suck (IMO). I don't find the idea of playing real life so tightly fun whatsoever, especially not when I get jailed for 15 minutes for bunnyhopping.
Argonath, on the other hand, blatantly does not suck. You just have to find the right place to belong. Find a good gang, and you're good to go.
Personally, I think the (relatively recent) immigration of the whole OOC/IC (( )) mess from other servers to have been a really, really bad thing. People are like "OH NON RP!". Well, christ, what are you complaining about. Go RP with someone you like. And if a DMer attacks you, kick their ass. When the cops come, kick their ass. Or surrender. Whichever is good.
You know why people think there are more DMers about lately? Because when people die, they lose more money than before (as a percentage of their wealth). Take a look at the old scripts - you had minigun hackers everywhere, like 2-3 a day (banned within seconds, but still killing many).
You know what people do now when they get DMed?
They see a DMer coming, then they scream:
"F***ING DMERS!!!! ADMINS!! WTF ADMINS NOT REACTING!!!"
... during which time they are killed.
You know what they did back then?
They owned the DMer and laughed all the way to the bank.
People's attitudes have changed, along with the scripts. If everyone was given several million dollars in one go - not only would the economy cease to exist, but so would most of the bitching.
People don't lose anything by dying = People don't moan.
My advice to everyone? Learn to defend yourself from DMers, and expect to die at least every 5 minutes. That way, when you do die, you aren't pissed off and annoyed.
I mean, come on. Its Grand Theft Auto. Not The Sims.
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Those people talking about the old days back in 2007. SA:MP is not, will not and never was the "old Days". The old days of Argonath, in the minds of many of the veterans of Argonath is MTA and the short period from summer 2006 till early 2007 when the SA:MP server opened.
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This topic is funny.
With more scripts, people feel RP is worse. Yet they ask for even more binding scripts.
There is one factor that makes the server good or bad, and that are the players. You guys are making your own environment. If you want it to be closed to outsiders, it means there will not be new players and the server will die. If you welcome new people, it will continue to grow and be popular, but you will have to teach them.
The main factor is the attitude. There is a good reason why we made the rule 'no noobs', as we feel old player admins or whoever are not higher than anyone who just entered the server. In fact a veteran player who breaks the rules should be punished much more than a new one, not be given credit at all.
So to all who feel things have changed... what are you going to do about it other than complain ?
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I was speaking to a player the other day who was searching through servers trying to find a good roleplay server.
He said something which I have come to understand - RP Servers are not the same as RPG Servers.
RP Servers, for the most part, are extremely harsh to players and new players are told to piss off, basically.
RPG Servers, for the most part, are calmer on the rules (whilst still keeping them) and new players are welcomed.
That said, I have found that some new players find Argonath very unwelcoming. Unless you can speak and type like a master right from the start, and look really pro, you're not about to break into any of the best gangs because they will think that you're.. well.. a 'noob'.
RL/RP Servers also, for the most part, suck (IMO). I don't find the idea of playing real life so tightly fun whatsoever, especially not when I get jailed for 15 minutes for bunnyhopping.
Argonath, on the other hand, blatantly does not suck. You just have to find the right place to belong. Find a good gang, and you're good to go.
Personally, I think the (relatively recent) immigration of the whole OOC/IC (( )) mess from other servers to have been a really, really bad thing. People are like "OH NON RP!". Well, christ, what are you complaining about. Go RP with someone you like. And if a DMer attacks you, kick their ass. When the cops come, kick their ass. Or surrender. Whichever is good.
You know why people think there are more DMers about lately? Because when people die, they lose more money than before (as a percentage of their wealth). Take a look at the old scripts - you had minigun hackers everywhere, like 2-3 a day (banned within seconds, but still killing many).
You know what people do now when they get DMed?
They see a DMer coming, then they scream:
"F***ING DMERS!!!! ADMINS!! WTF ADMINS NOT REACTING!!!"
... during which time they are killed.
You know what they did back then?
They owned the DMer and laughed all the way to the bank.
People's attitudes have changed, along with the scripts. If everyone was given several million dollars in one go - not only would the economy cease to exist, but so would most of the bitching.
People don't lose anything by dying = People don't moan.
My advice to everyone? Learn to defend yourself from DMers, and expect to die at least every 5 minutes. That way, when you do die, you aren't pissed off and annoyed.
I mean, come on. Its Grand Theft Auto. Not The Sims.
I do not know if that's directed towards me, however, I'll answer it anyways. This in the otherhand isn't directed against/for whatever with you, just my opinion about your statements. (God I feel so geeky).
You started of with saying that RL servers is extremly harsh against new players, if you see that from a scripted purpose, or if you look at the players attitudes against others in RL servers. Anyways, you can never blame an entire server on being harsh just because many individuals are so. Many people I've met in other servers help me out, they're doing great. Attitude is something you can't blame a server, it's how the player reacts towards people. Same effect is it in Argonath, a few people just don't give a shit and drives away from newcommers instead of helping them, and then again there's people who help new people like Hank for example, who does great in teaching and learning new peeps.
RL/RP Servers also, for the most part, suck (IMO). I don't find the idea of playing real life so tightly fun whatsoever, especially not when I get jailed for 15 minutes for bunnyhopping.
Argonath, on the other hand, blatantly does not suck. You just have to find the right place to belong. Find a good gang, and you're good to go.
Well, yeah, I'm absolutely not sure but I guess a lot of that is directed towards Val *cough* halla. They suck, basically. Anyways, other RL RP servers really goes strict on the RP, roleplay like you would be a real person, and you'll be accepted. Of course there's different opinions about this kind of RP, some people thinks it's fun and some people thinks it's boring. You can never change that opinion on anybody, and I don't say you are either. I do like argonath, don't get me wrong. Though, your first impression after coming online after a huge break is often '/give ID homosexuality or /me is lagging :))' or any other stupid "fun roleplay actions", I just find it ridiculous.
Uhm, about that kicking deathmatchers arse part, well. I'm sure many agrees on that it sucks to get deathmatched, and deathmatching back isn't the way to solve it, it just provokes the deathmatcher to do it more, and more, and that just makes other newcommers to follow the deathmatcher and deathmatch with him. Phew.
Also, if you kill the guy you get suspected, if you get suspected you die/get jailed at some point (in the current script), and that's not really what you want either, and basically you haven't roleplayed the crime at all except for killing a random deathmatcher. The best way to solve this is to either report it to an admin, or try to talk to the player, I've tried this many times and you usually get surprised of how easy they pick it up, and start being roleplayers instead.
It's easy to talk about the good ol' days as only pure RP and everyone were nice to eachother blabla, now, that's not the case. I remember how people moaned just as much as these days because the admins didn't react, I remember how LCV and Corleone had large arguments in the main chat, I remembered how people generally was pissed off at each other, really about just as much as before. Thing is that there's alot more players these days, aswell as alot people who've come from other servers who've had other more strict rules than argonaths.
The main factor is just the attitude, if we can change that, which is pretty hard, you'll see an huge difference on the look at argonath.
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Argonath RPG changed a lot...
Good side: more friends and veterans, stable group of support and players...
Bad side: more and more rules requested, more and more complains on each other...
One reason of bad side I see in a very active admins team... So that other players are putting on admins shoulders more and more "tasks" to do... But themselves usually decided that sending a report is the best "help" for Argonath online... I was and will be warning those who send report to admins and start immediately demanding from admins an action...
With me it was right today when after getting a report on a player I went to spectate him... And while I was spectating him I saw a lot of "shit" from a reporter into admins side... Admins do not work, admins do nothing, etc... I warned the guy for that... It is horrible to react on your reports and listen to all crap about us, admins, doing nothing...
SA:MP server has the biggest amount of complainers and moaners... Even being on MTA:SA when were only 1-2 admins on all the time, players were not moaning that much as it does SA:MP community...
I dunno where from it came: either this players are used to moan on other servers, or we have too good admins team which is trying to react on every complain and players started to think that admins should react on every "fart"... But it is incredibly annoying... The one thing I do not like in our community...
But in all other sides - it became be good... Cos I remember the times we had to sit on server almost 24/7 cos of amount of deathmatch, hacking and cheating...
As about those who think Argonath became be bad - they have no idea what chaos it was before... And hardly they would even stay on Argonath those times...
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Yes seriously, I think its fun for everyone when they first join, but later and later on you are here, the more problems you find and the more problems you run into. Appretly there is something here that keeps everyone from leaving. I say im fine with it, there are problems but I can deal with them. And as long as we have an Argonath RPG server, it will be fine, no matter what hell we are going through at the moment. Stop looking on negative things and look on what you have and where you are going with it, then you might realise how much you've accomplished and how much you enjoyed times, the good times. The picture life if you never joined Argo, or it dissapeared. Yes there are problems but we either got people working on it (like script problems) or its unchangable (alot of Dmers, non-RPers, etc....) It just matters if you let it get to you. If you let a DMer or a hacker get you down, and you complain about him/her, and you really get pissed off at it. Where are you? Your not having any fun and not RPing, just like what it would be like without Argo. So just be happy we have the server and people working on it and take what its got, wether or not things get better, we will got teh community (even though people hate each other sometimes), the RP, and the server.
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RL/RP Servers also, for the most part, suck (IMO). I don't find the idea of playing real life.
Mate let me tell you.
I played 2 years of RP servers, i'v also followed every rule back then.
But they are just bullshiting and its fake, all the REAL RP players came from Godfather and most of them left SA:MP a while ago.
Here in Argonath, everybody gets a fair chance.
In a RP server, its about power, power and power.
If you are a admin on a RP server, your god, nobody can do shit to you.
If you got a admin as a friend on a RP server, your jezus, you can fuck with everybody without getting punished.
I'v had seen so many times, where a good RPing gang gets removed because there enemy that has a admin as leader starts crying once his gang gets owned.
This is also the reason why i quited leading factions on SA:MP, most RP servers have NO IDEA how to roleplay as a gang or as a mafia.
I personal have also no idea how to roleplay a REAL mafia, i only know it from games or TV.
With a gang i know more about, but these other "Big guy RPers" cry to much once they get owned.
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Mate let me tell you.
I played 2 years of RP servers, i'v also followed every rule back then.
But they are just bullshiting and its fake, all the REAL RP players came from Godfather and most of them left SA:MP a while ago.
Here in Argonath, everybody gets a fair chance.
In a RP server, its about power, power and power.
If you are a admin on a RP server, your god, nobody can do shit to you.
If you got a admin as a friend on a RP server, your jezus, you can f**k with everybody without getting punished.
I'v had seen so many times, where a good RPing gang gets removed because there enemy that has a admin as leader starts crying once his gang gets owned.
This is also the reason why i quited leading factions on SA:MP, most RP servers have NO IDEA how to roleplay as a gang or as a mafia.
I personal have also no idea how to roleplay a REAL mafia, i only know it from games or TV.
With a gang i know more about, but these other "Big guy RPers" cry to much once they get owned.
I disagree. Admins arent "god". Admins that have abused their power or are looked upon as not being responsible have lost their rights. And if your a friend of an admin, you can still lget in trouble. Actually, if your a regular no matter what, you will get in more trouble then a new player. And RP can go as far as long as you got imagination. A mafia isnt how its depicted in the movies, and whats dipicted in movies isnt followed here on Argo. Its actually quite different. Alot of times you go out of charector. what it should be is you have 100% respect for the "Don" and if you smart off to him you get "whacked". But its just not like that, and I wish it was. And here on SA:MP if you die, you come back so you can complain and go out of charector and cry if you get beaten. Which is pretrty pathetic because this is RPG and in RPG you have got beaten and lost, theres nothing else you can do.
Alot of people go "Well this isnt IRL" In a way it is. IRL you cant go around killing people without punishment, neither can you in this server. And IRL you cant go around complaining to people for lil things, it just doenst work. And it shouldnt be tolerated here neither. What I find kind of interesting is that groups with admins in them, or for a leader, are looked upon as higher, or better (above) then other groups. But watcha going to do. Things arent as bad as you think they are and we should all be happy with what we got. Because if you really hated what we have here, then you would leave altogehter, now wouldnt you?
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I disagree. Admins arent "god". Admins that have abused their power or are looked upon as not being responsible have lost their rights. And if your a friend of an admin, you can still lget in trouble. Actually, if your a regular no matter what, you will get in more trouble then a new player. And RP can go as far as long as you got imagination. A mafia isnt how its depicted in the movies, and whats dipicted in movies isnt followed here on Argo. Its actually quite different. Alot of times you go out of charector. what it should be is you have 100% respect for the "Don" and if you smart off to him you get "whacked". But its just not like that, and I wish it was. And here on SA:MP if you die, you come back so you can complain and go out of charector and cry if you get beaten. Which is pretrty pathetic because this is RPG and in RPG you have got beaten and lost, theres nothing else you can do.
Alot of people go "Well this isnt IRL" In a way it is. IRL you cant go around killing people without punishment, neither can you in this server. And IRL you cant go around complaining to people for lil things, it just doenst work. And it shouldnt be tolerated here neither. What I find kind of interesting is that groups with admins in them, or for a leader, are looked upon as higher, or better (above) then other groups. But watcha going to do. Things arent as bad as you think they are and we should all be happy with what we got. Because if you really hated what we have here, then you would leave altogehter, now wouldnt you?
I wasnt really talking about Argonath.
I was talking about those other RP servers of now.
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I wasnt really talking about Argonath.
I was talking about those other RP servers of now.
Yes, like that one (wont mention name). Where no one talks in public chat or you will get kicked, and there are like 1000 script uses. I never tried it because when I joined one time the turtoil was like 1 house long.....and I only got through half.
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Yes, like that one (wont mention name). Where no one talks in public chat or you will get kicked, and there are like 1000 script uses. I never tried it because when I joined one time the turtoil was like 1 house long.....and I only got through half.
Yeah i mean those servers :lol:
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This is why I left SA:MP. My nerves couldnt take more of it, I didnt if I made a good thing or a bad thing I got moaning and complains on every action I took.
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why do u think i left?
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Argonath RPG changed a lot...
Good side: more friends and veterans, stable group of support and players...
Bad side: more and more rules requested, more and more complains on each other...
One reason of bad side I see in a very active admins team... So that other players are putting on admins shoulders more and more "tasks" to do... But themselves usually decided that sending a report is the best "help" for Argonath online... I was and will be warning those who send report to admins and start immediately demanding from admins an action...
With me it was right today when after getting a report on a player I went to spectate him... And while I was spectating him I saw a lot of "shit" from a reporter into admins side... Admins do not work, admins do nothing, etc... I warned the guy for that... It is horrible to react on your reports and listen to all crap about us, admins, doing nothing...
SA:MP server has the biggest amount of complainers and moaners... Even being on MTA:SA when were only 1-2 admins on all the time, players were not moaning that much as it does SA:MP community...
I dunno where from it came: either this players are used to moan on other servers, or we have too good admins team which is trying to react on every complain and players started to think that admins should react on every "fart"... But it is incredibly annoying... The one thing I do not like in our community...
But in all other sides - it became be good... Cos I remember the times we had to sit on server almost 24/7 cos of amount of deathmatch, hacking and cheating...
As about those who think Argonath became be bad - they have no idea what chaos it was before... And hardly they would even stay on Argonath those times...
I was quite reactive when I ws an admin, and from when I was an admin till now, I have noticed ALOT of changes in the admin team's reaction times. Either there is more going on behind the scenes while ingame and there are changes since I was an admin, or the admins are lazier/wanting to play more than rather be an admin. But in my own opinion , I see a difference in the SA:MP side of things, and it's not just the admins. You are right when you are talking about the admins not reacting at every slightest move, but I myself have sent multiple reports within the space of 30 minutes, with no reaction what-so-ever, and I think a few others can back me up on this.
When people , generally older players complain about the scripts reducing the need for RP. In MTA we had VERY basic commands, basically all RP was done with the /me command. In SA:MP there are more possibilites, but these can cause alot of conflict betwee players, and seperated opinions. Older players have learned to adapt. I myself have had to adapt to atleast script changes and updates. Those changes including admin level changes, new commands and totally new scripts.
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Well, I can remember my old days... Someone invited me to play on SA:MP on argonath rpg... I loved it and we did all sorts of things together... I can remember I didnt know where the ammunation was! I was just hanging in idlewood where it was crowded !
So he said if I wanted to be a bodyguard and he used /ad and I thought it was so cool and we got a client. I failed at guarding him so he said I suck and stuff...
So yeah I "learned" that if someone killed you, you get 500$... I didnt have any money and I did not know how to gain any money yet so I provoked people :rofl:
Got around 5000$ from that... But then I learned a new way to earn money: MOLE missions!
And of course other missions... So after some weeks or so I joined Corleone and got some experience of it...
New scripts! Well I liked it at first (Pimp garage!!!) but yeah my pimp garage got blown up by the FBI because they thought it was the hideout of the Corleones :(
So after that I didnt like argonath that much anymore... Perhaps its because every player is always whining...
Well, I do not like the enviroment of argonath that much anymore, same for the mafia I am in...
Current goal:
Wait for the pimp garage to come back! I want it! :)
Oh well... I WILL NEVER GIVE UP MUHAAHAHAH!
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Mainly due to hypocrites
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Yeah..those Sawnoff Shotguns idiots coming arround doing : BAM BAM - BAM BAM and shouting : FUCK THE POLICE IM COOLLL. Then i flame then and get /warn =) thats a never ending circle of darkness my dear friends :D
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I was quite reactive when I ws an admin, and from when I was an admin till now, I have noticed ALOT of changes in the admin team's reaction times. Either there is more going on behind the scenes while ingame and there are changes since I was an admin, or the admins are lazier/wanting to play more than rather be an admin. But in my own opinion , I see a difference in the SA:MP side of things, and it's not just the admins. You are right when you are talking about the admins not reacting at every slightest move, but I myself have sent multiple reports within the space of 30 minutes, with no reaction what-so-ever, and I think a few others can back me up on this.
When people , generally older players complain about the scripts reducing the need for RP. In MTA we had VERY basic commands, basically all RP was done with the /me command. In SA:MP there are more possibilites, but these can cause alot of conflict betwee players, and seperated opinions. Older players have learned to adapt. I myself have had to adapt to atleast script changes and updates. Those changes including admin level changes, new commands and totally new scripts.
Admin reactions seem ok when we check. However the problem is that admins do react on reports, but can not act on them.
What I mean is that when you report a guy for carjacking or DMing, admins will spectate and see the situation.
If they see no rulebreaking, after some minutes they continue to the next report.
As players (and that includes veterans) have been known to issued false reports, by accident and on purpose, admins are no allowed to give out punishment on report, but the names are always noted and watched.
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The way to better rp = 'The return of the slotmachines'