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Title: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: JayL on December 17, 2008, 09:35:23 pm
Daily Situations: Administration answer

It has been decided that due to the frequent questions coming from the players that are directed to admins, ingame, about daily situations, involving the rules, this topic should be created, as now the questions will be of public view.

Rules of this Topic:
So, you give us, administration, a situation, and we will answer with a suitable solution. If you still don't understand, look the example below:

Situation: A kidnapping is going on. The kidnappers are aiming at the hostage and they want some money from the cops. The cops, though, come closer and start shooting directly the kidnappers in order to kill them before they kill the hostage. Then, after they are dead, they claim that the cops were 'Non-RPers', that they ruined the whole roleplay.
Question: Can the administration team punish the cops because of ruining roleplay scene?

The administration's answer:

Solution: Non-roleplay is not against the server rules, but as the RP has been ruined, the cops can get a warning. Also try to offer the agreement that the police force preferred to storm in and kill the kidnappers quickly as possible in order to save the hostages.

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If you want to give a situation example to administration, please follow the example, replying with the following form below:

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Adapted and edited for VC:MP section.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Zephyr. on February 26, 2017, 01:39:39 pm
Situation:So There is a Civilian Meeting going on and Some Freecop killed me without any reason.
Question:Can I Return to the RP Situation? Since that was a Rule Break and They are not used to with the Rules
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on February 26, 2017, 02:26:48 pm
If you get outright deathmatched during a roleplay scenario by a player who does not know the rules or refuses to obey them, I don't see why it should break up a roleplay scenario.

This is only for situations that do not involve combat, however, since otherwise it would look like returning :)
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: XkillerX on July 07, 2017, 06:18:41 pm
Situation:
A cop hears a civilian talking on phone near a crate location when crate is active. He asks one on other line to get to the location armed.
Question:
Can the cop suspect the caller for asking someone to carry weapons?
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on July 07, 2017, 07:48:52 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Agent002 on July 09, 2017, 04:31:00 am
Situation: Some cats turned on weapon hacks and made a DM fest with it.
Question: If I killed those cats and get the weapons, do I need to return it to the admins?
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on July 09, 2017, 03:00:55 pm
Yes.

Storing and using weapons you know are gotten by exploits or hacks is considered breaking the rules and can get your entire storage removed. Report that to an admin and he will tell you how to get rid of those weapons (most likely you take the weapons and get disarmed).
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: [NAR]Kody on September 26, 2017, 12:20:48 pm
Situation: Vaj truck mission is going on, and cops are taking it to safe place which is in the back yard of bank. i have 2 or more than 2 mates with me and we got walton or bobcat.
Question: Can we shoot the truck using that walton or bobcat?, i mean can 3 of stand on that walton and start shooting truck by surfing? since walton and bobcat have special space to stand or sit on it
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Hype on September 26, 2017, 01:25:32 pm
Carsurfing is not allowed under any circumstances, therefore what you mentioned will automatically be prohibited, even if it's a Walton/Bobcat we are talking about.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: 1932 on September 27, 2017, 12:06:49 am
Situation: Dying while in smuggle team

Question1: Let me know , ex: I am in smuggle team and Im drowned before smuggle starts , Can I return?

Question2: Im at yacht but not joined smuggle team , so If get die somehow and can I return?
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on September 27, 2017, 02:28:12 am
No and No.

You can not return to a scenario you died in in any way, unless if you were a cop in the situation, died as a cop and then you can return as a cop. Any other form of returning is considered breaking the rules. Do note however, that you cannot return as a cop if you died as a criminal either.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Agent002 on October 10, 2017, 01:03:03 pm
Situation: A guy was going for car smuggle and a cop was intercepting him. A guy sees that, goes cop and then had a little nice chat with him. He (the cop) was refused to /sur and even gets punched at. He then pulls out a shotgun and rekt that criminal.
Question: Would that fall under money cheating? (no please)
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on October 10, 2017, 01:25:32 pm
I don't understand your question. A cop cannot be a criminal unless he is discharged and suspected.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Agent002 on October 10, 2017, 02:40:28 pm
right right

Situation: A goes for car smuggling, B was alerted by C for that and B got rekt by A when C was going for cop. C then goes to A, asked A to surrender. A refused and attacked C. C then rekt A.
Question: Would C's actions fall under money cheating?
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on October 10, 2017, 04:40:38 pm
No.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Agent002 on October 14, 2017, 12:21:13 pm
Situation: A was robbing the NPM. B cop was going to take the robbers down. A suddenly gets called by mom irl and had to go afk. Thinking that he would get banned if he alt-tabbed, he didn't alt tab and seek a safe place to afk. A didn't get killed by B cop because A's allies took B down. A then goes back and sell the jewels.
Question: Would A's action be a rulebreak?
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on October 14, 2017, 12:26:48 pm
Yes.

AFKing as a wanted player is not allowed in any scenario.

If you really have to go, /q when no cop is nearby.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Klaus on October 20, 2017, 01:58:35 pm
Quote from: Kessu on October 14, 2017, 12:26:48 pm
If you really have to go, /q when no cop is nearby.
As long as there are cops ingame, I would advice not to /q when wanted. If you have absolutely no choice and have to leave, surrender or let yourself be killed.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: [IsI]MarineForce on October 20, 2017, 04:10:12 pm
Situation:So There Player is Smuggle a car and i am can kill him cuz he is not give me money
Question:This is DM And RPG??:dance:

Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on October 20, 2017, 04:21:18 pm
Quote from: [IsI]MarineForce on October 20, 2017, 04:10:12 pm
Situation:So There Player is Smuggle a car and i am can kill him cuz he is not give me money
Question:This is DM And RPG??:dance:
As long as the robbery is roleplayed properly, it is not deathmatching.


Quote from: Klaus on October 20, 2017, 01:58:35 pm
As long as there are cops ingame, I would advice not to /q when wanted. If you have absolutely no choice and have to leave, surrender or let yourself be killed.
This would be the safe bet to avoid any possible rulebreaking.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Plenty2x on October 20, 2017, 04:24:51 pm
Quote from: [IsI]MarineForce on October 20, 2017, 04:10:12 pm
Situation:So There Player is Smuggle a car and i am can kill him cuz he is not give me money
Question:This is DM And RPG??:dance:

If you kill him without some lines of roleplay, it is considered as deathmatch. If you kill him with roleplay likes "Give me the payment, that you got from smuggling the pheonix. Or else...", and /me actions, etc. After that if he proceeds to give you money, "you can kill him or just spare his life"- this also applies if he doesn't give. (Also, in some other extra notes: If you failed to kill him, then died, then came back and ask for the money and try to kill him again will be considered as returning.) If you got any further questions or if you got any confusion, reply here, and the staff will be glad to help.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: [IsI]MarineForce on October 20, 2017, 06:00:06 pm
Quote from: Plenty2x on October 20, 2017, 04:24:51 pm
:

I mean He is not give me pay 
And can we kill him And i am died i can't kill him back

He is try  to kill me can we kill him

I mean cuz he shoot me And say i not give you money Go and die and i can kill him???? :jackson:
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on October 20, 2017, 08:51:50 pm
Your question can not be understood, it is too far from actual english. Please have someone else translate your question or figure out how to translate it better yourself.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: 1932 on November 08, 2017, 07:00:30 pm
Situation: A man has died at yacht while he has planned for smuggle and get died before the smuggle voyages,the man died because a newbie come and start shooting around and he got one. OR
The smugglers gets died before it starts by heli blade.
Same goes for Time out (Lost connection) situation, the player re-login and but he gets drowned because the smuggle is already started voyage.

Question: Can he return&allowed to rejoin the smuggle team?If hes not allowed to return then why mostly people does this?

Situation-2: A man has come to the police station everytime he wants and shouting Hands In Air!! and /me cuffs the player , /me drags him etc......They just visit to us and saying  you are kidnapped (at police station).

Question: What the fu** is this is a roleplay?

Situation-3: A man has roleplaying and do /away (for brb , gtg etc) and just come back without typing /back and starting shooting around and saying blah blah blah

Question: its against the rules?

P.S: Only Kessu reply please.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on November 08, 2017, 07:40:54 pm
Quote from: 1932 on November 08, 2017, 07:00:30 pm
Situation: A man has died at yacht while he has planned for smuggle and get died before the smuggle voyages,the man died because a newbie come and start shooting around and he got one. OR
The smugglers gets died before it starts by heli blade.
Same goes for Time out (Lost connection) situation, the player re-login and but he gets drowned because the smuggle is already started voyage.

Question: Can he return&allowed to rejoin the smuggle team?If hes not allowed to return then why mostly people does this?

Since this has multiple situations I'll answer the general ruling me and Klaus discussed;
If you die before a smuggle happened without anyone being involved in your death (aka no one killed you) then you are allowed to return back to the smuggle. NOTE: This applies ONLY to deaths that happened BEFORE the smuggle started.
If someone does kill you under no circumstance can you return, same goes for timeout as you would have drowned upon reconnecting.

Quote from: 1932 on November 08, 2017, 07:00:30 pm
Situation-2: A man has come to the police station everytime he wants and shouting Hands In Air!! and /me cuffs the player , /me drags him etc......They just visit to us and saying  you are kidnapped (at police station).

Question: What the fu** is this is a roleplay?

This would be copbaiting/cophunting and is a rulebreak.

Quote from: 1932 on November 08, 2017, 07:00:30 pm
Situation-3: A man has roleplaying and do /away (for brb , gtg etc) and just come back without typing /back and starting shooting around and saying blah blah blah

Question: its against the rules?

While there is no official ruling on this, it is considered as a dick move and attempt to ruin the atmosphere in the server, hence an admin can make a decision on the spot whether he wants to punish the player or not.

Quote from: 1932 on November 08, 2017, 07:00:30 pm
P.S: Only Kessu reply please.
All admins can answer questions provided in here.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: XyZ on January 26, 2018, 07:59:42 am
some real-life kind of situation occurred like 3-4 weeks ago, call it gang war because it was NAR vs EAF

I was wanted for homicide or something then I got EAF guys approaching me just like usual we went in to combat mode
where the Sean , Han , Doomkiller were present and engaging in combat with me, none of them were wanted but only I was,

while the gun shooting taking place a policeman named luchgox arrives at situation and steps in between and only shoots me. but doesn't suspect the other guys who are also shooting and leaving me dead.

- And the part that actually leaves me disappointingly puzzled was situation like 3 vs 1-
I was running like chicken here and there and the other three shooting at me and still, the Fourth police guy doesn't do anything about but he approaches me instead.

My question: was that kill justified? was that cop roleplay wise helping one side of criminal?
or that is server wise rule break?
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on January 26, 2018, 11:52:26 am
Not a rulebreak.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: adam_malik on January 28, 2018, 04:48:12 am
Situation: Spartain wanted to buy my sanchez so then we met at the bank. I gave Spartain my Sanchez but he suddenly killed me without RP interaction. Also, he didnt give me the money.
https://imgur.com/lDumc9e
Question: Does someone allowed to scam property or vehicle? And also was this situation a DM?
 

Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on January 28, 2018, 10:38:03 am
Scamming is allowed as long as a new player is not being mislead with false information.

You guys had to of plan the sale of the sanchez somehow and there is your interaction. The scenario was not deathmatching.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: adam_malik on January 28, 2018, 11:28:42 am
Quote from: Kessu on January 28, 2018, 10:38:03 am
Scamming is allowed as long as a new player is not being mislead with false information.

You guys had to of plan the sale of the sanchez somehow and there is your interaction. The scenario was not deathmatching.
But wait, after I gave him my sanchez he suddenly killed me, isnt that DM?  :neutral2:
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on January 28, 2018, 11:55:29 am
No, that's called a scam and a robbery.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Huntsman on February 24, 2018, 12:44:35 am
Situation:
You're roleplaying with someone and so far no escalations have been made. The other party, however, without any roleplay indication of their intentions, quickly switch to M4 and headshot you outright.

Question:
Is this considered deathmatching? If not, perhaps it should. Because this has become rather a problem and really demotivates people from roleplaying. I think that people should be required to show some sort of roleplay indication of intending to shoot before doing so to give the other party a chance to react.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on February 24, 2018, 01:43:58 am
If the interaction is "HOW ARE YOU???" and when you answer you get headshotted, it is deathmatching.

However if the scenario can consist of a shootout, which a lot of cases do, it is not a rulebreak, just a dick move to typekill people made by people who either do not want to play fair or it's the only way they can "win" for sure  :balance:
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Klaus on February 24, 2018, 07:34:12 pm
Quote from: Kessu on February 24, 2018, 01:43:58 am
If the interaction is "HOW ARE YOU???" and when you answer you get headshotted, it is deathmatching.
That all depends though, doesn't it. The scenario in which it happens is taken into account when considering if the kill was valid or not. For example, if Silent comes walking into Havana and types /l YO NARS HOW ARE YA NIGGA he is getting shot in the face, no question about it. Is it rulebreak? No its perfectly in line with the roleplay and is the response Silent should be expecting.

In response to Huntsman's question, you mention " without any roleplay indication of their intentions" and I'm wondering what you're exactly expecting? In regards to whether or not it is allowed to kill someone without first asking /em can I kill you now? then yes its perfectly fine and no you don't need to tell anyone you're about to kill them. Also, no /me action is required either as you can clearly see he pulled out an M4 and shot you, you don't need to write that down.

Hope this answers your question.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Huntsman on February 24, 2018, 07:37:48 pm
Quote from: Klaus on February 24, 2018, 07:34:12 pm
That all depends though, doesn't it. The scenario in which it happens is taken into account when considering if the kill was valid or not. For example, if Silent comes walking into Havana and types /l YO NARS HOW ARE YA NIGGA he is getting shot in the face, no question about it. Is it rulebreak? No its perfectly in line with the roleplay and is the response Silent should be expecting.

In response to Huntsman's question, you mention " without any roleplay indication of their intentions" and I'm wondering what you're exactly expecting? In regards to whether or not it is allowed to kill someone without first asking /em can I kill you now? then yes its perfectly fine and no you don't need to tell anyone you're about to kill them. Also, no /me action is required either as you can clearly see he pulled out an M4 and shot you, you don't need to write that down.

Hope this answers your question.

I am talking about a situation that most officers have to face, and I've risen this question because I've been receiving a lot of complaints from my officers about being treated that way.

To be more specific of the scenario, there's a 911, a cop comes and investigates, and tries to simply roleplay instead of turning the situation into some sort of deathmatching fest. As he's trying to negotiate, one of the participates from the other side of the fence quickly draws M4 and headshots him. and the "you can see M4 in sight" argument is really bull.. It is a matter of half a second before switching from fists to assault rifle and shooting. Happened more than once.

This would be a good example, refer to 4:16:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EuO1QPV4m0
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Klaus on February 24, 2018, 07:47:34 pm
It's not bull, and I believe Kessu can give a lesson to those who want to know how to avoid type kills.

Despite the amount of advantages cops have, one small disadvantage cops have is that they'll always have to react to a situation, and try to predict a move the criminals may take. Criminals will always get the first shot in, since cops can't shoot unless they've been shot at. If the criminal is smart he'll make the first shot count, and that usually means either an attempt at an M4 HS or a shotgun blast from close range to instant kill a cop. Cops have to be on their toes all the time and be ready for such situations. If you get killed, then unlucky you got decked. It's not all doom and gloom though is it as you can return and can do as many times as it takes.

Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Maddy on February 24, 2018, 07:49:20 pm
Yeah well, imo it was perfectly fine, since almost all the cops were asking for the suspect to surrender(who was our ally), the reason I shot was because I happened to overhear Sevrin saying "sus the other bastards"(you can see in the chatbox of the video), which in turn provoked us for a shootout, but hell. I'm not really sure what I did was legit or a rule-break.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: XkillerX on May 02, 2018, 01:51:24 pm
Situation:Two people A and B are wanted. They are in little Havana and C is also present with them. When a cop arrives to deal with A and B, C, who is intending to aid them, runs away from that area. Then when both A and B are dead, C comes back and kills the cop without interaction.
Question: Is this sort of aiding allowed? Because C engaged in combat after A and B died and without RP.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on May 02, 2018, 06:38:12 pm
That would be deathmatching since he was not involved with the cops at all.

He would need to roleplay the retaliation with the officer(s) in question.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Huntsman on January 20, 2019, 04:15:35 pm
Should a player start a shootout if he knows damn well he might not be able to finish it, resulting in quitting in the middle of it under the excuse of a real life situation just as he's about to get capped?   :neutral:
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Klaus on January 23, 2019, 12:37:10 am
To your first question, this cannot always be avoided as not everything can be foreseen unfortunately, but if a player fears he may need to leave shortly he is best to notify an administrator as soon as possible so they are aware of the situation. To your second question, any time someone quits moments before being killed is death-evasion and is handled by administration on a case by case basis. If no administration are ingame to handle the situation, please send video evidence to [email protected] and the scenario will be investigated.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Tomasiro on June 26, 2019, 07:36:13 pm
Situation: For some real life urgency, while wanted, I gone afk but let my game opened to get killed or auto jailed, making every players aware that I am going afk.
Question: Is this a rulebreak even I let the game opened to get myself killed? I have heard in a unban appeal that if you have a real life problem, you should let yourself getting killed or get jailed quickly but I choosed the first option so I kept the game open and let myself getting killed. Is this still a rulebreak?
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on June 26, 2019, 09:52:51 pm
Quote from: Tomasiro on June 26, 2019, 07:36:13 pm
Situation: For some real life urgency, while wanted, I gone afk but let my game opened to get killed or auto jailed, making every players aware that I am going afk.
Question: Is this a rulebreak even I let the game opened to get myself killed? I have heard in a unban appeal that if you have a real life problem, you should let yourself getting killed or get jailed quickly but I choosed the first option so I kept the game open and let myself getting killed. Is this still a rulebreak?
You cannot go AFK while you are wanted.

You were temporarily banned because you could not be killed or jailed without admin assistance.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: 1932 on February 05, 2020, 11:00:19 am
Situation: Trading accounts
Question: Are we allowed to give our account to someone else? (complete ownership)
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on February 05, 2020, 12:22:57 pm
Quote from: 1932 on February 05, 2020, 11:00:19 am
Situation: Trading accounts
Question: Are we allowed to give our account to someone else? (complete ownership)
Your account will be your responsibility. Now and forever.

If someone else breaks rules on your account, we will ban every account linked to all parties involved in the rulebreak. Not to mention that if we see another player using someone else's account, we will ban the account on breach-of-account assumption regardless of what you've told us.

Short answer: No.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Shawap on February 14, 2020, 09:12:33 am
Situation:Cop A pulled Civilian B and C D over.And B C D was complainting the Cop A.While Cop A reporting his status on radio,and civ D suddenly exits the car and shots Cop A to death.
Question:Is it a rulebreak?If is.What kind of rulebreak is it.
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: DZ killer on June 27, 2022, 11:02:22 pm
Situation: I came back to VCPM server and forget my password.

Question: Can any one reset my password for in game login?
Title: Re: VC:MP - Daily situations: Administration answer
Post by: Kessu on June 28, 2022, 09:41:51 pm
Contact Klaus or myself through discord is your fastest bet of getting it solved.

If you do not have discord, send one of us a forum PM that has your ingame name.
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