Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Raykaza on January 06, 2009, 10:45:38 pm
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what those children did ??
PLEASE NO RACIST JUST GIVE YOUR OPINION ABOUT WHAT The ISRAELIAN ARMY DOING AT PALESTINE.......
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[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBtlmAPoQ3U&feature=related[/yt]
[yt=425,350]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OcbpsYj1LXw[/yt]
I hope that the Admins dont take it as Racist Topic and Lock it.......
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Israeli are looking to kill Hamas.. Honestly I don't care. We need war.
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Israeli are looking to kill Hamas.. Honestly I don't care. We need war.
I said look at the Videos then talk....with out racist i reapeat it
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That's justified questions, what did those kids do, because we really don't know the back-story for these clips, and therefore no one can have a justified good or bad opinion on these actions.
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That's justified questions, what did those kids do, because we really don't know the back-story for these clips, and therefore no one can have a justified good or bad opinion on these actions.
Well you have to watch all those Videos you will not Understand the Language of Songs becuz its on Arabic but just watch who's Getting killed and masacred :neutral:
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This video is even sadder.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OcbpsYj1LXw
Free Palestine.
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thnx Niall for this Video :neutral:
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War is for kids, no need for that. Pointless, we all know whats gonna happen AFTER war. :war:
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Israeli are looking to kill Hamas.. Honestly I don't care. We need war.
Dont say that, you newer saw horrors of war, and i pray to God you newer will...
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Israeli are looking to kill Hamas.. Honestly I don't care. We need war.
You are still too young to understand some things.. :)
And for this war.. Hope that Obama will change his politics to Israel and will not distribute weapons there anymore, like Bush is doing..I only know that Palestinians were there for the ages and Israels came I dont know from where and occupied that territory because they didnt have own country..And now they look like the victims.. :neutral:
War is for kids, no need for that. Pointless, we all know whats gonna happen AFTER war. :war:
The war begins when diplomacy is not functioning..
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Some people here think war is cool.. Unless they had any violent experience theirselves... Don't see war as a Call of duty or Battlefield game...
But most of you will realise at some point in your lives, I am sure of that..
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If youhad over 20-50 rockets getting fired at your country a day, wouldn't you be pissed.
Ye it's wrong to kill the innocents. But how do you tell the innocents from the guilty? Armed disput is an awful thing but you have to deal with it. Alot of people don't relise what is going on behind the scenes when they support a side of an argument.
Personally, I'd like to see Israel liberate Gaza properly, targeting only Hamas militants.
Kind of off topic: Was watching BBC news last night and saw a small cip which caught my eye. Israeli F-16 dropped a form of cluster bomb over a part of the city. I remember being told cluster bombs were illegal in most parts of the world ( mostly UN ) because of their over destructive and gruesome power.
Some people here think war is cool.. Unless they had any violent experience theirselves... Don't see war as a Call of duty or Battlefield game...
But most of you will realise at some point in your lives, I am sure of that..
The only time they will relise is when they look at the footage from their countries own military forces in a warfare situation. Look at the numbers of deaths along with the number of innocents killed and the number of injured. Compare that to your own town or city's population and do the math. Then look at the devistation caused by fighting. Do the same as stated above and they will quickly relise what is actually happening in the world. Personally games such as Call of Duty and Battlefield portray the millitary as being small task forces taking on huge armies with one hero who acts just a bit like Rambo and never dies. The games put up a false reality barrier that makes people not able and not want to see the bigger picture.
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First of all, im not a racist and im not a war supporter, but im not trying to be a ''Meanny'' when i say that israel is the real terrorist, and infact... it is the terrorist, and they new Nazi people, Not saying this because im a palestinian, because its the truth, you know what they say .. The truth is a killer, so face it they are the terrorist, they blew up a school yestarday along with 5 mosks, claiming they have bombs in there, and what did they kill? 40 child/woman .. no man was even injured, and they say they hide Hamas in there, oh give me a break...is hamas that f**ked up to put Bombs near a school??? near kids???
They claim we are the terrorists, who wants to take over ''Their'' land, as in OUR land which is palestine..they have been lieng to the whole world since 1948, they we are the killers, but in 2009 now they have shown what they are the real israeli people, the ones who killed f**king children and women, they just want gazza to be wiped out, so they could go on taking over the lands...
They call us ''TERRORISTS'' while we are getting killed in our own homes and our own land, you ask me...the terrorist is always a winner, and is Palestine winning? i dont think so...
This video right here, shows what i mean..read the subtitels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgSVXjNLFgo
But as you can see, finally the world saw what israel really is..they finally popped out, and i hope they have an end, because this is pissing the f**k out of me..What the f**k did a 2 year old did to you ?? oh i know, he fired a Missile on you, go f**k your self you just have nothing else to say, you came here in 1948 and took over palestine like its your own home, its not!!! why didnt you stay with hitler?? We had sympothy for you at the start, you can come to out homes and live, but you started coming 1000 by thousand every day, next thing we know, we have no land, and its israel.
Im asking you this Argonath people, would you like it if i came right now, to your houses and told you, this is not your home any more, please leave this is my home, and i kill you, Would you like it ????? you tell me would YOU >????
Im sure that some guy would reply to me with shit comments, but before you do, go open the TV or Youtube and look what they are doing, dont play games for a while, and go what Al-Jazeera the channel which is showing you the truth, the whole truth...go look at the dead children, that they claim they have guns on them!!
IM WRITING THIS COMMENTS AND IM SO f**kING PISSED AT WHAT THEY DID, This is NOT NORMAL, this f**king pisses me off, omg help us Europe, help any other countrey, come save us from them, f**k sake this is PISSING ME OFFFFFFF
Im arab, and i write this other thing for arab countires, if you think u are better than israel, think again, you are just so bad guyes who work for israel, you have brothers dieng here and your not doing any thing, But i thank Hizbolla for doing what they did, and i hope they wake up again, and do what they did the last time !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAnQOqooXvU
Im not saying that USA citizens are terrorist and im not saying thing.. at all, because i know USA, even though they are the guys who give the guns for Israel and the weapons..but nothing to say because i have alot of friends there, but look what you guys do 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhpXumKOErU&feature=related
The guy on 1:35 says, i stood still watching my son bleeding to death, and i couldnt do a thing.
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Israeli are looking to kill Hamas.. Honestly I don't care. We need war.
With your line I just lost ALL the respect I had for you, I do not know if you care about that or not but thought you should know that. Hamas is guilty for thier actions aswell but some people have to do something. Look at all the other arabic countries, they are not doing anything to help Pelestine then some has to do something, in others eyes Hamas are terrorists and in my eyes they are Freedom Fighters.
Hello
Firstly, I would like to state I have in some time waited to create this topic subject but as I thought it will only lead to flame / hate between the muslims and Jews we got in our community. I do not blaim the Jews and i'm not supporting this war, I do not understand the jews as they want more land than they allready got, why cant we live in peace with each other and talk and have fun. This hate between Jews and our pelestinen brother never ends and its sad to see all these innocent pelestinen people that are dieng just because the Jews wants more land, I do got hate for the president of the Jews and the soldiers. Btw, I have choosed not to see the videos as I know I will be sad the entire day as I know I cant do nothing to help Pelestine but only have pitty with them and may god help them.
Peace'Upon us my brothers.
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Everything because world is fucked up, they judge with their own... If they dont change brains, world will continue to be fucked up all the time
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i dont know much about the war cause there is not allot of information shown on tv here... i do know that hammas was firing rockets on israel and thats why attacked so from what i know my opinion about it is that hamas must stop firing rockets then israel has no reason to fight anymore and wont get any support anymore and they must stop then with attacking and talk to hamas about the peace...
:ps: this is what i know and i gave my opinion with the things i know so correct me if i am wrong...
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Isreal was the country that started to heat up the action.
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yeah but didnt hamas start??
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Just a song for those childrens and people that are poor, or in a war e.t.c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL1eTP_BZPQ
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Excuse me, But what did I've done by moving into Israel? Why, I as a child, suffered 30/40 hits of kassam missiles everyday? Why, when I was just 7 years old, i could barely study because of the fear from those rockets, why i had to run to the bomb shelter and sleep there almost each day? And then, I'm called a nazi, I'm the guilty man. I want to live in peace in my country, but Hamas, Hizballa etc. start's it again and again.
Why does Israel don't give back Palestine to it's people? Because they are not organized. Israel cannot give the whole west bank and Gazza when they know that after a week it will be controlled by hamas that will bomb every city in Israel.
While Israel is aiming at hostile targets, Hamas is aiming at citizens.
Now tell me, If Palestine was instead of Israel. And Gazza was in a control of Israeli terrorist organization, and would be shooting rockets from synagogue's, school's and houses you would not hurt them at all? Wouldn't you protect you're own citizens?
Please, before calling 7 million people 'Nazis' , look at both sides.
And this is not the place to discuss about this, but i will not let this whole community be sure that my country, and my brothers and father that are now at the army, are goddamn nazis.
And Niall, when you say "I don't wanna be racist but they are nazis" , give me a brake, it is racist. Again, this is not the place for those topics, we are an international comunitty, and to keep the calm spirit here, we just need to be quite about politics and wars. This simple thing will simply destroy relations between people, and we don't want that to happen.
Isreal was the country that started to heat up the action.
There was a truth and Hamas broke it.
Israel done almost nothing to Hamas for 8 years, how long can we wait? because they obviously won't stop.
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Dmitry, you know this and I know this, Palestine is not yours and will never be, so long some Palestinen people have faith in god we will allways be strong and unite as one.
You suffered 30/40 hits ?, oh my god shall I have pitty with you as you dont have to be there and so Isreal we was there first and lived in peace and harmony. Palestine will NEVER be your country, I would rather die and mark my words again I would rather die than giving up Pelestine.
You are saying we shall look in both sides, look at the Pelestinen people as they lived in harmony with no killing / attacking but suddenly because some so called "Jews" had no country they had to live somewhere. With time and time the Jews wanted more and more country and started to gain more weapons from USA and shooting the pelestinen.
Then Dmitry, f**k you and your "country", I wish you all was dead.
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Dmitry, you know this and I know this, Pelestine is not yours and will never be, so long some Pelestinen people have faith in god we will allways be strong and unite as one.
100% Agreed.
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Israelis should give that land back to Palestine.
What about United Nations' statement in 67', where it was clearly said that Israels' occupation isn't needed, and should be stopped at once.
What the f**k, why are they still there ?
Oh, and Russia will start supporting Israel soon, belive me. ;)
Free Palestine!
:ps: I have no ties to Palestine or any other Arabic countries, I can't just stand this bullshit.
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If your unsure about the background to the Gaza invasion i found this article on another site (was origonally from todays Newpapers), well worth a few minutes to read:
The only way to make sense of Israel's senseless war in Gaza is through understanding the historical context. Establishing the state of Israel in May 1948 involved a monumental injustice to the Palestinians. British officials bitterly resented American partisanship on behalf of the infant state. On 2 June 1948, Sir John Troutbeck wrote to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the creation of a gangster state headed by "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders". I used to think that this judgment was too harsh but Israel's vicious assault on the people of Gaza, and the Bush administration's complicity in this assault, have reopened the question.
I write as someone who served loyally in the Israeli army in the mid-1960s and who has never questioned the legitimacy of the state of Israel within its pre-1967 borders. What I utterly reject is the Zionist colonial project beyond the Green Line. The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times.
Four decades of Israeli control did incalculable damage to the economy of the Gaza Strip. With a large population of 1948 refugees crammed into a tiny strip of land, with no infrastructure or natural resources, Gaza's prospects were never bright. Gaza, however, is not simply a case of economic under-development but a uniquely cruel case of deliberate de-development. To use the Biblical phrase, Israel turned the people of Gaza into the hewers of wood and the drawers of water, into a source of cheap labour and a captive market for Israeli goods. The development of local industry was actively impeded so as to make it impossible for the Palestinians to end their subordination to Israel and to establish the economic underpinnings essential for real political independence.
Gaza is a classic case of colonial exploitation in the post-colonial era. Jewish settlements in occupied territories are immoral, illegal and an insurmountable obstacle to peace. They are at once the instrument of exploitation and the symbol of the hated occupation. In Gaza, the Jewish settlers numbered only 8,000 in 2005 compared with 1.4 million local residents. Yet the settlers controlled 25% of the territory, 40% of the arable land and the lion's share of the scarce water resources. Cheek by jowl with these foreign intruders, the majority of the local population lived in abject poverty and unimaginable misery. Eighty per cent of them still subsist on less than $2 a day. The living conditions in the strip remain an affront to civilised values, a powerful precipitant to resistance and a fertile breeding ground for political extremism.
In August 2005 a Likud government headed by Ariel Sharon staged a unilateral Israeli pullout from Gaza, withdrawing all 8,000 settlers and destroying the houses and farms they had left behind. Hamas, the Islamic resistance movement, conducted an effective campaign to drive the Israelis out of Gaza. The withdrawal was a humiliation for the Israeli Defence Forces. To the world, Sharon presented the withdrawal from Gaza as a contribution to peace based on a two-state solution. But in the year after, another 12,000 Israelis settled on the West Bank, further reducing the scope for an independent Palestinian state. Land-grabbing and peace-making are simply incompatible. Israel had a choice and it chose land over peace.
The real purpose behind the move was to redraw unilaterally the borders of Greater Israel by incorporating the main settlement blocs on the West Bank to the state of Israel. Withdrawal from Gaza was thus not a prelude to a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority but a prelude to further Zionist expansion on the West Bank. It was a unilateral Israeli move undertaken in what was seen, mistakenly in my view, as an Israeli national interest. Anchored in a fundamental rejection of the Palestinian national identity, the withdrawal from Gaza was part of a long-term effort to deny the Palestinian people any independent political existence on their land.
Israel's settlers were withdrawn but Israeli soldiers continued to control all access to the Gaza Strip by land, sea and air. Gaza was converted overnight into an open-air prison. From this point on, the Israeli air force enjoyed unrestricted freedom to drop bombs, to make sonic booms by flying low and breaking the sound barrier, and to terrorise the hapless inhabitants of this prison.
Israel likes to portray itself as an island of democracy in a sea of authoritarianism. Yet Israel has never in its entire history done anything to promote democracy on the Arab side and has done a great deal to undermine it. Israel has a long history of secret collaboration with reactionary Arab regimes to suppress Palestinian nationalism. Despite all the handicaps, the Palestinian people succeeded in building the only genuine democracy in the Arab world with the possible exception of Lebanon. In January 2006, free and fair elections for the Legislative Council of the Palestinian Authority brought to power a Hamas-led government. Israel, however, refused to recognise the democratically elected government, claiming that Hamas is purely and simply a terrorist organisation.
America and the EU shamelessly joined Israel in ostracising and demonising the Hamas government and in trying to bring it down by withholding tax revenues and foreign aid. A surreal situation thus developed with a significant part of the international community imposing economic sanctions not against the occupier but against the occupied, not against the oppressor but against the oppressed.
As so often in the tragic history of Palestine, the victims were blamed for their own misfortunes. Israel's propaganda machine persistently purveyed the notion that the Palestinians are terrorists, that they reject coexistence with the Jewish state, that their nationalism is little more than antisemitism, that Hamas is just a bunch of religious fanatics and that Islam is incompatible with democracy. But the simple truth is that the Palestinian people are a normal people with normal aspirations. They are no better but they are no worse than any other national group. What they aspire to, above all, is a piece of land to call their own on which to live in freedom and dignity.
Like other radical movements, Hamas began to moderate its political programme following its rise to power. From the ideological rejectionism of its charter, it began to move towards pragmatic accommodation of a two-state solution. In March 2007, Hamas and Fatah formed a national unity government that was ready to negotiate a long-term ceasefire with Israel. Israel, however, refused to negotiate with a government that included Hamas.
It continued to play the old game of divide and rule between rival Palestinian factions. In the late 1980s, Israel had supported the nascent Hamas in order to weaken Fatah, the secular nationalist movement led by Yasser Arafat. Now Israel began to encourage the corrupt and pliant Fatah leaders to overthrow their religious political rivals and recapture power. Aggressive American neoconservatives participated in the sinister plot to instigate a Palestinian civil war. Their meddling was a major factor in the collapse of the national unity government and in driving Hamas to seize power in Gaza in June 2007 to pre-empt a Fatah coup.
The war unleashed by Israel on Gaza on 27 December was the culmination of a series of clashes and confrontations with the Hamas government. In a broader sense, however, it is a war between Israel and the Palestinian people, because the people had elected the party to power. The declared aim of the war is to weaken Hamas and to intensify the pressure until its leaders agree to a new ceasefire on Israel's terms. The undeclared aim is to ensure that the Palestinians in Gaza are seen by the world simply as a humanitarian problem and thus to derail their struggle for independence and statehood.
The timing of the war was determined by political expediency. A general election is scheduled for 10 February and, in the lead-up to the election, all the main contenders are looking for an opportunity to prove their toughness. The army top brass had been champing at the bit to deliver a crushing blow to Hamas in order to remove the stain left on their reputation by the failure of the war against Hezbollah in Lebanon in July 2006. Israel's cynical leaders could also count on apathy and impotence of the pro-western Arab regimes and on blind support from President Bush in the twilight of his term in the White House. Bush readily obliged by putting all the blame for the crisis on Hamas, vetoing proposals at the UN Security Council for an immediate ceasefire and issuing Israel with a free pass to mount a ground invasion of Gaza.
As always, mighty Israel claims to be the victim of Palestinian aggression but the sheer asymmetry of power between the two sides leaves little room for doubt as to who is the real victim. This is indeed a conflict between David and Goliath but the Biblical image has been inverted - a small and defenceless Palestinian David faces a heavily armed, merciless and overbearing Israeli Goliath. The resort to brute military force is accompanied, as always, by the shrill rhetoric of victimhood and a farrago of self-pity overlaid with self-righteousness. In Hebrew this is known as the syndrome of bokhim ve-yorim, "crying and shooting".
To be sure, Hamas is not an entirely innocent party in this conflict. Denied the fruit of its electoral victory and confronted with an unscrupulous adversary, it has resorted to the weapon of the weak - terror. Militants from Hamas and Islamic Jihad kept launching Qassam rocket attacks against Israeli settlements near the border with Gaza until Egypt brokered a six-month ceasefire last June. The damage caused by these primitive rockets is minimal but the psychological impact is immense, prompting the public to demand protection from its government. Under the circumstances, Israel had the right to act in self-defence but its response to the pinpricks of rocket attacks was totally disproportionate. The figures speak for themselves. In the three years after the withdrawal from Gaza, 11 Israelis were killed by rocket fire. On the other hand, in 2005-7 alone, the IDF killed 1,290 Palestinians in Gaza, including 222 children.
Whatever the numbers, killing civilians is wrong. This rule applies to Israel as much as it does to Hamas, but Israel's entire record is one of unbridled and unremitting brutality towards the inhabitants of Gaza. Israel also maintained the blockade of Gaza after the ceasefire came into force which, in the view of the Hamas leaders, amounted to a violation of the agreement. During the ceasefire, Israel prevented any exports from leaving the strip in clear violation of a 2005 accord, leading to a sharp drop in employment opportunities. Officially, 49.1% of the population is unemployed. At the same time, Israel restricted drastically the number of trucks carrying food, fuel, cooking-gas canisters, spare parts for water and sanitation plants, and medical supplies to Gaza. It is difficult to see how starving and freezing the civilians of Gaza could protect the people on the Israeli side of the border. But even if it did, it would still be immoral, a form of collective punishment that is strictly forbidden by international humanitarian law.
The brutality of Israel's soldiers is fully matched by the mendacity of its spokesmen. Eight months before launching the current war on Gaza, Israel established a National Information Directorate. The core messages of this directorate to the media are that Hamas broke the ceasefire agreements; that Israel's objective is the defence of its population; and that Israel's forces are taking the utmost care not to hurt innocent civilians. Israel's spin doctors have been remarkably successful in getting this message across. But, in essence, their propaganda is a pack of lies.
A wide gap separates the reality of Israel's actions from the rhetoric of its spokesmen. It was not Hamas but the IDF that broke the ceasefire. It di d so by a raid into Gaza on 4 November that killed six Hamas men. Israel's objective is not just the defence of its population but the eventual overthrow of the Hamas government in Gaza by turning the people against their rulers. And far from taking care to spare civilians, Israel is guilty of indiscriminate bombing and of a three-year-old blockade that has brought the inhabitants of Gaza, now 1.5 million, to the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe.
The Biblical injunction of an eye for an eye is savage enough. But Israel's insane offensive against Gaza seems to follow the logic of an eye for an eyelash. After eight days of bombing, with a death toll of more than 400 Palestinians and four Israelis, the gung-ho cabinet ordered a land invasion of Gaza the consequences of which are incalculable.
No amount of military escalation can buy Israel immunity from rocket attacks from the military wing of Hamas. Despite all the death and destruction that Israel has inflicted on them, they kept up their resistance and they kept firing their rockets. This is a movement that glorifies victimhood and martyrdom. There is simply no military solution to the conflict between the two communities. The problem with Israel's concept of security is that it denies even the most elementary security to the other community. The only way for Israel to achieve security is not through shooting but through talks with Hamas, which has repeatedly declared its readiness to negotiate a long-term ceasefire with the Jewish state within its pre-1967 borders for 20, 30, or even 50 years. Israel has rejected this offer for the same reason it spurned the Arab League peace plan of 2002, which is still on the table: it involves concessions and compromises.
This brief review of Israel's record over the past four decades makes it difficult to resist the conclusion that it has become a rogue state with "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders". A rogue state habitually violates international law, possesses weapons of mass destruction and practises terrorism - the use of violence against civilians for political purposes. Israel fulfils all of these three criteria; the cap fits and it must wear it. Israel's real aim is not peaceful coexistence with its Palestinian neighbours but military domination. It keeps compounding the mistakes of the past with new and more disastrous ones. Politicians, like everyone else, are of course free to repeat the lies and mistakes of the past. But it is not mandatory to do so.
• Avi Shlaim is a professor of international relations at the University of Oxford and the author of The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World and of Lion of Jordan: King Hussein's Life in War and Peace.
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Guys Please stop fighting or this topic will be Locked
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I'm really sorry for my behaviour, but it had to come out of my heart as all this you see in the news makes me angry and sad.
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Gaza was owned by Israel for a number of years. They should liberate Gaza, clearing all Hamas millitans in their way and gain control of the country, or give control to Turkey or Egypt.
You guys really want to get either Great Britain or the USA inolved in this...fine by me. But they will do the same as they have done in Iraq and Afganistan.
Personally I would prefer the UN to agree on terms with both sides and work something out.
Hamas , is not a political party, but a mallitia group - do not say other wise. In anyones eyes they are terrorist. As Dimitry said, Israel wa having around 40-50 rockets a day fored at multiple areas. Israel put up wit the bombardment long enough and decided to take problems into their own hands. This is Hamas' own fault and no-one else is to blame. The UN are making a decision right now with the world superpowers. I hope there discussion puts an end to all this pointless slaughter and unneccesary bombardments and rocket strikes.
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I'll just quite this topic since i don't want to get involved into any fights here..
I'm the only Israeli around, and I see how people here shouting "free Palestine" like they understand something, most of you just hearing about war in the news, most of you never heard a missiles falling or had any family members killed.
It's same for both Israelis and Plaestinians..
Since I have no chance to effect you're mind i'll quit this topic,
Not because i'm wrong or anything like this, because i know that if i'll keep posting here, only fights will occur.
I'm really sorry that this is the great people I've thought they are... well, as i sad.. politics fucks everything up.
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well ive been seen some Post says that Hammass wich begin the first.
ill give you a Small Explain...
1)Isreal own Gaza Nobody nothing enter there...
2)Seconde Step:Israel Give to Gaza's People right to Use Electricity 6 hours Per day :neutral: and Block all Kinds Of food to Acces to Gaza..
3)Gaza's People Begin to got all Type of Disease becuz of the Bad Food....
4)Israel Block Medicine to Hospitals so People Begin to Die....
so what Hammas have to do thei say: We are Dieing anyway why not die with Honor...
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well ive been seen some Post says that Hammass wich begin the first.
ill give you a Small Explain...
1)Isreal own Gaza Nobody nothing enter there...
2)Seconde Step:Israel Give to Gaza's People right to Use Electricity 6 hours Per day :neutral: and Block all Kinds Of food to Acces to Gaza..
3)Gaza's People Begin to got all Type of Disease becuz of the Bad Food....
4)Israel Block Medicine to Hospitals so People Begin to Die....
so what Hammas have to do thei say: We are Dieing anyway why not die with Honor...
What honor do they get at firing 40-50 rockets a day at people who have nothing to do with their situation?
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When it comes to killing children, there are no ''GREAT'' people.
Palestine will be free, when why how by who i dont know, but it will, this all would come to an end, on the news i see half of the world are waking up, like im seeing some europe countries support gaza, because they finally know the truth.
Oh and believe me when i tell you this, your not the only israeli on argonath, theres another 7 and i saw them vewing this topic, and they didnt reply...Ofcourse they didnt, they saw the videos.
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What honor do they get at firing 40-50 rockets a day at people who have nothing to do with their situation?
ill tell you the honor, the honor is fighting with a 2kg kassam against the most powerful country, thats an honor.
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Get Britian, the US, France, Germany, Holland, Italy or whoever else wants to deal with them to go in and sort out all the problems.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7815929.stm
That topic explains it from both sides. Palestine is not all as innocent as they seem. Both are guilty and both should be dealt with by another third party orginisation.
ill tell you the honor, the honor is fighting with a 2kg kassam against the most powerful country, thats an honor.
since when does shooting shitloads of missles and trying to cause major damage bring any honor.
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What honor do they get at firing 40-50 rockets a day at people who have nothing to do with their situation?
And what honor does it get by the Isreal to bomb an entire school where there are ONLY innocent kids?, 80 innocent childs died.
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please just remove this whole topic i dont like the comunity to fight with each other we cant do anything about the war and we must just live in peace on this comunity....
and yes i know that some of you are not so friendly with each other right now but when the war is over and there is peace or just no war, cause peace is far away please just get allong with each other and dont argue through the forums that ruins the mood...
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Master, you think this war just begun ? It has been over 60 years now and soon enough I think its the end for my people if Isreal keeps bombing Palestine :(
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Master, you think this war just begun ? It has been over 60 years now and soon enough I think its the end for my people if Isreal keeps bombing Palestine :(
Well why don't "Your People" stop shooting rockets into Israel.
And what honor does it get by the Isreal to bomb an entire school where there are ONLY innocent kids?, 80 innocent childs died.
you do know what bombing runs are...they choose a random area going in a straight line and they bomb all down that line. A bit like mowing the lawn.
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Why can't the world live together in harmony...?
Tolerance.
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War is for kids, no need for that. Pointless, we all know whats gonna happen AFTER war. :war:
Without war, there wouldn't be any modern tehnology. Like I said before, we need war. War helps keep the population at bay, too.
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you do know what bombing runs are...they choose a random area going in a straight line and they bomb all down that line. A bit like mowing the lawn.
Not true at all.
This is exacly the reason that Israel has intelligence in there.
That school was a storage place for bombs and rockets.
Before almost every single bombing in Gazza Israel dropping loads of flyers into the area's that sppoused to be bombed which calling the civillian population to stay in their houses.
The IDF is not in Gazza to kill arabs, it's there to take down Hamas.
And a small video to present the other side too:
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As Albert Einstein once said: As long as there a man, there will be wars.
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Well why don't "Your People" stop shooting rockets into Israel.
maybe BECUASE THEY ARE IN PALESTINE.. NOT THEIR COUNTRY???!!!!!!
this is history repeating itself!!!!!
example - Britain invades Ireland, they kill and murder and rape people, Ireland forms a group - IRA in this case it is Hamas! the IRA fight back to get the invading country out, and then they are looked upon as terroists, even though they are using violence (which i do NOT agree with) they are using violence becuase it is their last resort, this is an example, its the EXACT same with Palestine, why Irish all support palestine, because they fight for their country becuase Israel is the invading force BEFORE this gaza situation, this is not just Palestinians firing rockets for NO reason, it has been going on for over 60 years!! Israel are in the wrong, and just cos america backs israel, then they cant be in the wrong, dont you see? America controls the media around the world, and they are a super-power, so obviously people are gonna back israel, they need to open their eyes. Israel needs to leave Palestine, the whole of Palestine, and stop being hypocrits, remember the Holocaust? I THINK ISRAEL SHOULD BE THE LAST COUNTRY TO THINK OF HURTING OTHER NATIONS, AFTER ALL, LOOK HOW THEY WERE HURT, THEY SHOULD REALISE THAT!!!
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Well, even if I have nothing to do with this I know what will happen in this topic.
There are different oppinions and different cultures coliding with each other.
Israelits got to know something else about this war then the Palestines, no one will give this discussion up.
Everyone will stay at his oppinion, so I for myself think, that this discussion wont turn out too well.
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I'm not even going to bother arguing the Israeli case anymore, as you guys are so blinded by your "Oh poor Palestine" remarks that you don't even take into consideration what has happened to Israel. This, and I'm not flaming or anything, is why I HATE the middle east. They cause so much trouble in the world by constantly causing others to fight. I am sick fo hearing on the news about fighting breaking out in the middle east. Why can't they just be like most other countries and not constantly fucking fight.
I am still backing Israel. As it is more of a "real" country than the area currently known as "Gaza" will ever be.
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I'm not even going to bother arguing the Israeli case anymore, as you guys are so blinded by your "Oh poor Palestine" remarks that you don't even take into consideration what has happened to Israel. This, and I'm not flaming or anything, is why I HATE the middle east. They cause so much trouble in the world by constantly causing others to fight. I am sick fo hearing on the news about fighting breaking out in the middle east. Why can't they just be like most other countries and not constantly f**king fight.
I am still backing Israel. As it is more of a "real" country than the area currently known as "Gaza" will ever be.
Dave, I dont think you know whats going on in the Middle East, its anger, not much money, little amounts to eat...thats all the anger which crashes in the Middle East..
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Dave, I dont think you know whats going on in the Middle East, its anger, not much money, little amounts to eat...thats all the anger which crashes in the Middle East..
I understand what is going on , but i'm sick to my teeth listening to it. the west constantly have to step in and fix nearly every single problem. Look what happened with India and Pakistan.....the Britihs had to step in ( partly because it was part of the empire , but to hell with that). Then look at Iraq. Ye the Us did a good thing there, but did they really have to bother? After they went in the trouble became even worse. The same is with Pakistan.
Africa is in an even poorer state that any middle eastern country and they don't fight. And to start stating the middle east don't have money. where the fuck do they get all the money to buy high-standard weapons from.
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I'm the only Israeli around, and I see how people here shouting "free Palestine" like they understand something, most of you just hearing about war in the news, most of you never heard a missiles falling or had any family members killed.
Which makes it better because we won't have biased attitudes. Am from palestine? No. Am I a muslim? No. Do i support terrorisms? No. Do i support Hamas and the freedom of palestine? Yes.
Gaza was owned by Israel for a number of years. They should liberate Gaza, clearing all Hamas millitans in their way and gain control of the country, or give control to Turkey or Egypt.
You guys really want to get either Great Britain or the USA inolved in this...fine by me. But they will do the same as they have done in Iraq and Afganistan.
Personally I would prefer the UN to agree on terms with both sides and work something out.
Hamas , is not a political party, but a mallitia group - do not say other wise. In anyones eyes they are terrorist. As Dimitry said, Israel wa having around 40-50 rockets a day fored at multiple areas. Israel put up wit the bombardment long enough and decided to take problems into their own hands. This is Hamas' own fault and no-one else is to blame. The UN are making a decision right now with the world superpowers. I hope there discussion puts an end to all this pointless slaughter and unneccesary bombardments and rocket strikes.
You need to stop lapping up all that propaganda and read the facts. Also actually read that article decy posted.
Killing civilians is wrong. Just wanted to make my view clear on that. And it is not right when any person does it.
The british gave the jews their own country called Israel in palestine to accomodate them after the second world war, it belonged to palestine. They have been fighting for years each other for years and israel keep extending their boarders. Hamas have every damn right to fire rockets, they want their damn country back. Don't you get it?
Ok dave, here's a scenario ( Just using germany as an example ):
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Say the germans invaded 'Great Britain', they defeated the brits and they took over the country. They beat any bit of british culture and heritage out of the people, murdered, raped, bullied them. Britain was now a part of the german empire and britain was no more. You would not attempt to get your country attack? You would not join a group whos aim was to get britain back? Of course you would.
Then germany try to silence your group of freedom fighters by using disproportionate force and killing over 400 of your people in a matter of weeks. Would you like it if the super power of the world( USA) backed germany and said that they had the right to use such force against your people? And you were only trying to get what was yours back. What would you say?
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You and a lot of the world refer to the Hama as a terrorist organisation but have you ever looked terrorist up in the dictionary? It says:
"the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals"
Wait... Didn't Israel kill well over 100 civilians in the last 7 days? Who's the terrorist now??
Israel think they are above the law because they have America on their side. And as long as they have funding for state of the art apache helicopters and F-16 Fighter planes, weaponry etc then they will always think that they are above the law and ignore the fact that they are commiting genocide and using disproportionate force.
you do know what bombing runs are...they choose a random area going in a straight line and they bomb all down that line. A bit like mowing the lawn.
Wrong.
It was not a random area, it was their target - Stated by them, they said it was because they beleive hamas were firing morters from there. The UN says they have found out that this is 99.9% Untrue.
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But the question here is...where are the videos of the kindergardens, the Palestines bombed? Where are the other dead kids, which got killed by Hamas?
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Nowhere...I cant see them
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I'm not even going to bother arguing the Israeli case anymore, as you guys are so blinded by your "Oh poor Palestine" remarks that you don't even take into consideration what has happened to Israel. This, and I'm not flaming or anything, is why I HATE the middle east. They cause so much trouble in the world by constantly causing others to fight. I am sick fo hearing on the news about fighting breaking out in the middle east. Why can't they just be like most other countries and not constantly f**king fight.
I am still backing Israel. As it is more of a "real" country than the area currently known as "Gaza" will ever be.
You are backing Israel becuase you are ignorant and dont know the history and who really is at fault, do me a favour man, read a book about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, stemming from 1948. Then you come back and say what you feel.
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Dave Please if you Dont know the whole Story dont need to Post here Becuz you will Provoke a BIG RASCISME DISSCUSION
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Dave, i'm sorry but may god kill you
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Do you know the meaning of Ignorant. As it does not match up with the context you are using it in.
And why did you two just avoid my point about the west constantly having to support their fights. What the US are doing is stupidity. they hould be in there sorting out both sides problems not sayign "Hey , Israel, we;ll jump in and nuke every Palestinian that moves if you get too deep in shit."
I am hoping to see another superpower try to sort out both problems without taking sides. I understand that what Israel has done is wrong. But did Hamas need to keep firing rockets? Why didn't they just say "Hey, we're not going to retaliate, we're above them." But no, they had to fight, they always do. Thats whats wrong about this world. everyone thinks fighting solves fucking everything. Let politics deal with it. Freedom cannot be determined by fighting. In WW2 yes maybe, as there was really no other choice. But in this situation.....
And you are also avoiding the point of the Israelies, scared when 40-50 rockets a day strike there country. Hamas knew what was comming when they did this. So why, a perfectly valid reason other than pushing borders back etc did Hamas have to fight?
Dave Please if you Dont know the whole Story dont need to Post here Becuz you will Provoke a BIG RASCISME DISSCUSION
I see no racism here. Everyone is allowed a say in this "event" shall we call it and i'm having my say.
Dave, i'm sorry but may god kill you
Lucky for me i'm an Atheist.
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May i Have to Post this on the tilte "its just for +18))
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May i Have to Post this on the tilte "its just for +18))
Age has nothing to do with it.
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Sorry dave but i'm not even going to argue with you about this, your knowledge on this subject is extremely limited. And the only super power left in most peoples opinion is america...
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Sorry dave but i'm not even going to argue with you about this, your knowledge on this subject is extremely limited. And the only super power left in most peoples opinion is america...
Not in my opinion. When it comes down to it. The country with the most nukes is the worlds largest superpower.
America is in econimic downfall. And so is most of the west.
My knowlege is not "extremly limited". I could talk to great lengths about both sides and their problems and how they should fix them. I even did so today with alot of people who's knowlege of the subject is not "extremly limited".
The point is. You're not out there in those two countries. The only person I can see who is there is Dimitry. So right now none of us know what is going on. all we here is what is on the news or radio etc. Then again i'm not out there so how the fuck can I have a say on anything in this forum.
Here we go again. People being total arses cos one guy is arguing with their friends over a subject that is totally irrelevant on this forum and he isn't even 16!
I can tell you something. I can hold my ground against most people. Even adults and I have in the past. Age does not count towards anything and should not count. If age mattered for everything. I wouldn't be here right now cos you big 17 year old baddies would gang up on me and scare me.
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no i dont think this war has just begun i think we comunity members should not blame each other for the actions of their country and i also think there will be an end to the fighting cause now the whole world want them to just talk and i dont choose sides what i do is that i disrespect both countries for killing children etc. and i know you would agree that both countries are doing the wrong thing and you all dont admit that your country is doing the wrong things yes for all of you from palestina and israel i dont care who's fult this is but i know that we cant do anything about it and we must just have peace in the comunity
so i ask an admin to lock this topic
:ps: c'mon people we were all friends untill this topic was made and we all gave our opinion about each other....
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But the question here is...where are the videos of the kindergardens, the Palestines bombed? Where are the other dead kids, which got killed by Hamas?
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Nowhere...I cant see them
When did Hamas bomb kindergardens?, answer me on that. You want to know why Hamas is bombing ?, its because they cant just stand looking for innocent palestinen citizens to die, who else should take actions? All are afraid of the USA, they can screw me.
And Dave, before you are comming here and learning us with your "knowledge" get your facts right.
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no i dont think this war has just begun i think we comunity members should not blame each other for the actions of their country and i also think there will be an end to the fighting cause now the whole world want them to just talk and i dont choose sides what i do is that i disrespect both countries for killing children etc. and i know you would agree that both countries are doing the wrong thing and you all dont admit that your country is doing the wrong things yes for all of you from palestina and israel i dont care who's fult this is but i know that we cant do anything about it and we must just have peace in the comunity
so i ask an admin to lock this topic
:ps: c'mon people we were all friends untill this topic was made and we all gave our opinion about each other....
Agreed, Stuff like this does not concern this forum or community in anyway and should not be here. This is not what the forum is for. If you want to discuss the situation in Gaza, do so on MSN not on a gaming forum that is here for game discussion and general chat.
You guys will be suprised to see that the US military's next deployment is tot he Gaza strip if this fighting does not stop soon. And I don't mean thats bad just for Palestine.
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example - Britain invades Ireland, they kill and murder and rape people, Ireland forms a group - IRA in this case it is Hamas! the IRA fight back to get the invading country out, and then they are looked upon as terroists, even though they are using violence (which i do NOT agree with) they are using violence becuase it is their last resort, this is an example
I think what you mean here is that plantation colonies were invited to Ireland while it was still a Celtic tribal land. Not to mention, European settlement into Ireland was pretty much the same. The (R)IRA brutally killed innocent people for a political cause hundreds of years later, I can't believe people actually regard them as heros for their cause, after all, they didn't (or haven't yet, whatever you believe) achieve(d) anything significant.
I'd rather not talk about the conflict in Gaza, but what some people are saying here is so nieve it's not worth the effort. The IRA arn't a matter I'll take lying down.
And the only super power left in most peoples opinion is america...
How about China, the country that could financially destroy the USA overnight if they claim their debt?
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Why do we got the topic then Speakerbox if we cant discouss this ?
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As this has nothign to do with the communtiy. IT does not conercn them in anyway. Plus is causes arguments. Content like this is not appropriate for this forum.
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Ok this this goes out of control. You guys stand atm on both side of this conflict. And im 100% sure you will not make deal eachother (i mean on forums). Im locking this topic, this is not an place to discus about this. Maybe i dont live there, but i was 6 months in Midle East. And i know whats happen there, how people think etc. Personaly such kinds of conflicts will not ends soon, if you all will be think about revenge. And i know that not all of you are bad guys, i heard opinions from both sides... that they dont want that war.
*Locked*