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Argonath RPG Community => Hardware/Software support => Resolved issues => Topic started by: Niall on January 08, 2009, 05:21:47 pm
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Hey guys, too be honest i don't know anything about the hardware side of computers, more the software side. So i need peoples help, I want to build the Ultimate gaming computer but i don't know where to start, what stuff to buy, where to get it for the cheapest, if it will all be compatable together etc..
It would be great if you guys could compose a list of all the stuff that would make a really really good gaming computer, by that i mean being able to turn up the settings on all modern games like gta4( and games coming out soon ) to the max and having to lag at all so that the game looks fantastic and like it was made in 2009, so if you can then please make a list of all the things i would need to build one and what type it is.
I understand there a lot of guides on the internet but this way i can get feedback from players, know that the knowledge isn't out of date and perhaps if someone lists something theres a chance another player will know if have heard of problems occuring with that thing - Like a graphics card.
Even know i have an xbox and i prefer that I'm still sick of playing games that i have to turn the settings down to run it and the end result makes the game look like it was made in the 60's. In this game lord of the rings that i sometimes play on my computer i can only play it at 'very low' setting and even then i have lag.
Cost... I'm aware it might cost a lot of money to do this so i'm hoping to turn it into a project, so i might say buy one thing on one pay check and on my next buy another thing ( I'm still at full time education ). Hoping so computer tech savys can help me out :-)
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You've come to the right place. If you want to build a custom system, I recommend Dino PC (http://www.dinopc.co.uk). They have a great selection of high spec parts and cases etc.
As for specs I would recommend:
A 64-bit Operationg system of your choice.
Newer Dual or Quad core Pentium proccessor. ( IMHO AMD are terrible processors )
4-8Gb RAM
250-500Gb HDD ( or higher if you wish. Personally I would prefer something like my current setup, A 80Gb and a 250GB)
nVidia GFX Card, 8 series or higher ( I would recommend a 9800GT with 512MB-1GB memory )
Good amount of USB and SD card ports.
a good motherboard supporting all of these parts.
A decent case for the look, plus a good fan and cooling setup. with high spec parts you need good ventelation.
Decent sound card of your choice.
Good mouse with good sensitivity. ( optional )
Good keyboard with shortcuts and hotkey assignment. ( optional )
and that should be it...should come to Around about £600 - £900 depedning on the parts, which is a good price for high quality custom built towers.
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Processor E8500 3.16Ghz Dual core OR Q6600 Quad Core 2.4Ghz Or Q9300 2.5Ghz Quad
Motherboard Intel DQ35JOE , Choose between - Gigabyte, Intel , Asus,Foxconn
Point of View 9800GTX+ 512Mb 738mhz Core Clock. 9+ Series or 8800GT
For ATI HD4850 or HD4870
Kingston 4 sticks ofr 667/800 2GB memmory.. Kingston or Corsair
Zalman, Coolermaster, Corsair Power Supplys 460W+
HD Samsung 1TB 7200RPM Sata II - You can choose Maxtor also, but i recomend Samsung
Windows Vista 64 Bits
LCD Widescreen 22",19",15.6" - Recomended is Samsung.
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Processor E8500 3.16Ghz Dual core OR Q6600 Quad Core 2.4Ghz Or Q9300 2.5Ghz Quad
Motherboard Intel DQ35JOE , Choose between - Gigabyte, Intel , Asus,Foxconn
Point of View 9800GTX+ 512Mb 738mhz Core Clock. 9+ Series or 8800GT
For ATI HD4850 or HD4870
Kingston 4 sticks ofr 667/800 2GB memmory.. Kingston or Corsair
Zalman, Coolermaster, Corsair Power Supplys 460W+
HD Samsung 1TB 7200RPM Sata II - You can choose Maxtor also, but i recomend Samsung
Windows Vista 64 Bits
LCD Widescreen 22",19",15.6" - Recomended is Samsung.
I got that in my mind too. When you got enough money, you could build a Core i7 920 system with 3*2GB DDR3 memory and a nVidia GTX 260.
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But is i7 Supported for Windows XP ?
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If you want ultimate graphics card, i recommend nVidia SLI technology.
SLI technology gives possibilty to use 2 or even 3 graphics card at the same time!
Check more information from www.slizone.com (http://www.slizone.com)
For note: My friend uses 3 graphics card at same time, he's games are very cool, GTAIV on max graphics and no lag at all.
Oh, and Alienware.com (http://www.alienware.com) makes great computers.
These are real gaming computers, recommended!
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SLI is too expensive and needs very nice cooling and a good power supply.
With the specs that i recomended, you can run GTA IV on High settings.. with 100 draw distance.. etc.
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Hmm... New games... Highest?
Okay... Really.. HIGHEST?
Or like, HIGHEST without AA on ?
Thats going to cost around 2000$ I guess
Hmm...
You arent really asking on the good forum, you should post somewhere else... But ok:
I recommend Windows Vista 64 BIT SP1... The version for self builders!
For RAM: Get something with DDR3 and get atleast 4GB... 2 x 2 GB, dont know which one is good
Get a motherboard that supports: The processor socket, DDR3 RAM, PCI-E 2.0 ( ? )... Dont go cheap on it, buy a 200 - 300$ one
Video card: I recommend the Nvidia Geforce 280 series... The one with 1GB!
Power supply... There are good ones and bad ones. Don't just buy one, search a power supply page which has tested the power supplies. I recommend around 1000 WATT
Processor... Quad Core would be best. Extreme core is still a little too expensive so go for the cheapest before it
Buy good watercooling and overclock it...
I recommend you to either email the company you want a custom made one ( Say you want a high end computer and how much it can cost )
Or ask around on some forum, but then you still ahve to find the parts, which can be hard...
I made a mistake with my computer, its not that high end... done make the same mistake... I warn you... You will not be able to play GTA4 on the highest... Without turning off AA and such... :(
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I have the perfect gaming computer ;)
Intel Core 2 Quad X6700 Processor (Over Clocked)
8GB RAM
Vista 64bit Home Premium Operating system
XFX GTX 280 Graphics Card (Over Clocked)
1200W Power Supply
Water Cooling to cool overclocked things
HD Sound Card
A good motherboard that supports a lot of stuff.. some expensive one will do
And monitor + keyboard + mouse + game pad (for more enjoyable gaming)
Pretty much the best you can do.. ;)
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Heres the first few things i'm thinking of getting, opinions? In only remembered about doing this project a few days ago :P
(http://i39.tinypic.com/256ba7k.jpg)
http://i39.tinypic.com/256ba7k.jpg
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Looks nice, but buy instead GTX 260 -> up 280GTX or something, OR buy two of the HD's
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I will always recommend nVidia over ATi/Radeon.
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and that should be it...should come to Around about £600 - £900 depedning on the parts, which is a good price for high quality custom built towers.
Got my rig for £300 with similar specs to the ones you recommended. :cool:
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Got my rig for £300 with similar specs to the ones you recommended. :cool:
You what???!! Gimme Gimme Gimme Gimme! My current PC is on death's door (srsly) and i'm looking for a new ones..best I can find for great specs is £600....
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Yea i would like to know also :P. Three of my parts cost £620, that's without fan, monitor, case, keyboard, mouse, powersupply, ram, hardrive...
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Screw an expensive CPU..
Get a cheaper Quad Core CPU. They're only.. like £150. The CPU doesn't make a large difference to the gaming experiance. It's mostly to do with the graphics card.
What's your budget by the way?
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I think my budget's £900 - £1000. I really do not want to spend much more on it. Also, my brother is going to give me his monitor, which is fairly new and apparently very nice, so that should cut the price a lot : ).
I was thinking of geting a quad core because they are supposed to be awesome too but someone posted a comment on a site which is the way i feel about it. They said ' If i'm going to upgrade/build my PC and spending a lot of money, i would rather not be a generation behind in processor when the build is done'.
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Yea i would like to know also :P. Three of my parts cost £620, that's without fan, monitor, case, keyboard, mouse, powersupply, ram, hardrive...
I can get a decent PC for 600-800
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So could I :P. But then i would have to change the subject title from Ultimate to decent :). Anyways i'm halting development on this until my brother brings me his pc up from the army camp, appartently it's brand new as his girlfriend gave him it and they broke up and she said he could keep it, so he's giving it to me. There's no point buying more untill i find out what i can scavange from it.
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For note: My friend uses 3 graphics card at same time, he's games are very cool, GTAIV on max graphics and no lag at all.
GTA IV Hasn't Got SLi or CrossfireX support.
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HD Samsung 1TB 7200RPM Sata II - You can choose Maxtor also, but i recomend Samsung
LCD Widescreen 22",19",15.6" - Recomended is Samsung.
Seagate/WD HDD's
Fujitsu Siemens screens..
samsung's quality is very low
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Create your own here: www.alienware.com
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Seagate/WD HDD's
Fujitsu Siemens screens..
samsung's quality is very low
Via VGA - yes, everything is low. Via HDMI - no way, Samsung are one of few very advanced companies that support HDMI AND VGA. I have a 32" HD TV/ monitor and it's perfect.
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If you are a Computer Technician who has ever taken apart one of ASUS' or LENOVO's Top of the Range Laptops, you will find that the LCD is a High Definition Samsung Panel.
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Why would you need such computer? It's just a lot of money for nothing...
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If you are a Computer Technician who has ever taken apart one of ASUS' or LENOVO's Top of the Range Laptops, you will find that the LCD is a High Definition Samsung Panel.
Lenovo...jesus what crap that is, nearly as bad as IBM... :S
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LoL, if this is still on, I suggest here:
Intel C2D E8500 @ 3,16 GHz (Can be overclocked to ~3,5-4 GHz with stock cooler) [Can be overclocked to 4+ GHz with NH-U12P]
2x HD 4770
Corsair XMS2 TwinX 4GB (2x2048MB) 800 MHz
ASUS P5Q PRO
Seagate Barracuda 1TB
LG GGC-H20LRB Super Multi Combo Blu-ray/HD DVD
Antec Three Hundred
Corsair HX520W
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-version [Beta] ( Really, IT IS UNBELIEVABLE STABLE )
I'll say this on euros lol but no matha
It's ~ 900€ + OS is free. (Beta)
That should run everysingle game at Very high (Yes, even Crysis)
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LoL, if this is still on, I suggest here:
Intel C2D E8500 @ 3,16 GHz (Can be overclocked to ~3,5-4 GHz with stock cooler) [Can be overclocked to 4+ GHz with NH-U12P]
2x HD 4770
Corsair XMS2 TwinX 4GB (2x2048MB) 800 MHz
ASUS P5Q PRO
Seagate Barracuda 1TB
LG GGC-H20LRB Super Multi Combo Blu-ray/HD DVD
Antec Three Hundred
Corsair HX520W
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-version [Beta] ( Really, IT IS UNBELIEVABLE STABLE )
I'll say this on euros lol but no matha
It's ~ 900€ + OS is free. (Beta)
That should run everysingle game at Very high (Yes, even Crysis)
Few comments:
The processor is a good one, runs stable, nice temperatures with the stock cooler.
Motherboard is also top of the line if you don't want to spend ALOT of money on it.
The rest is also pretty good, but what concerns me is the OS. It may be stable, good. But it's a beta.. it will expire at the 1st of August, yes this year. The retail version is planned for somewhere in 2010.
So you might get Vista (download it) not worth to buy while waiting for Windows 7.
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Well i suggest that you get at least 4 gb of ram DDR2 at least, Processor...hmm...I would prepare for the future and buy Quad core, you would have to use vista or 7 to run all 4 cores...thats what i heard and i heard also that xp doesnt support quads so vista or 7...Dual core would be XP...anyway if youre choosing between Vista and 7, go for seven, there is a way to get it genuine now...discussing this further would be breaking the rules because ....ermmm...its sort of not legal maybe...graphic card...i recommend nvidia GTS 250 its good price and good performance, people run GTA IV on full details and everything maxed out...and oh the processor get Intel...amd just sucks dick hard. SLi...well i would do that in maybe a year or 2 cuz there arent really much games that support SLi...Cod 4 supports SLi though. I hope i helped you, erm for the case...Im getting new pc also and im going to get something like this what i wrote...so the case...im doing Thermaltake ARMOR+ MX Black + window VH8000BWS :D it looks solid, its Middle tower case...good cooling...or at least looks like it 2 120 mm fans 1 intake and 1 outtake and a 230 mm monster fan on the side. its looks kinda like a good case for modding it ...you can add about 4 more 120 mm fans if you remove optical drive slots...case supports water cooling also...for display...hmm im going with 24 inch...if you want you can go bigger but im fine with 24. keyboard...im getting reclusa (i think i spelled it good) gaming keyboard from microsoft and Microsoft habu mouse...they are both with blue leds and the case has a led fan (230 mm) glowing on blue...:D i hope i helped
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Hi,
People telling you to get a dual core processor are wrong for a start, it will have to be quad-core at least.
I would recommend;
Motherboard: ASUS Striker II NSE LGA775 Nvidia 790i DDR3-1600 ATX Motherboard
Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 940 3.0GHz
RAM: 2x OCZ DDR3 PC3-10666 4GB 2x 2GB ReaperX HPC Enhanced Bandwidth Dual Channel Kit
Graphics: 2x SLI BFG Nvidia Geforce rgtx2801024ocxe Gtx 280 Ocx 1GB Graphics Card
PSU: Enermax Galaxy 1000W EGA1000EWL Power supply - 1 kW
HDD: 2x Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATAII 32MB Cache
Case: Antec 900 Tower, Alienware, Lian-li.
OS: Windows XP Pro 64 Bit.
This is a pretty hardcore spec that will run 99% of current games at full capabilities.
GTA IV is a processor heavy game, i use about 20% of my graphics power and 100% of my CPU power to run it at medium/high settings.
Ram, and Graphics wont make too much difference for GTAIV its all about the processor and only a quad core will give you the results you want.
I estimate this spec at about £2000 with a bit of shopping around.
Hope this helps.
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XP doesnt support DX 10, so its just a matter of time when will you switch to Windows 7/Vista, another thing i heard that XP doesnt support QUAD core processors and I7 too maybe i aint sure about the i7 anyway windows 7 is the way to go
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2x HD 4770
(http://www.iguanadons.net/files/ATI-Trash.jpg)
ATi cards deserve to go only to their true destination - the bin.
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ATi cards deserve to go only to their true destination - the bin.
Why is that?
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Why is that?
I think they are rubbish, and have many issues such as driver software etc.
NVIDIA, in my opinion have better graphic cards compared to ATi.
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I think they are rubbish, and have many issues such as driver software etc.
NVIDIA, in my opinion have better graphic cards compared to ATi.
o rly ?? did you try'ed the ATI Radeon 4870 X2 ? that video card is just too good .... , or better yet the ATI Radeon 4890 ...
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I think they are rubbish, and have many issues such as driver software etc.
NVIDIA, in my opinion have better graphic cards compared to ATi.
I have to agree with wash at some points, my friend had one of those too, and it just didn't work properly.. And eventually he bought a Nvidia :P
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ATi - FTD (For the drain). :D
nVidia rapes ATi, like 10,000 times over.
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ATi - FTD (For the drain). :D
nVidia rapes ATi, like 10,000 times over.
Now that's just bullshit, for the money that ATi is being sold and compared to the quality of NVIDIA, it's surely a win...
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ATi - FTD (For the drain). :D
nVidia rapes ATi, like 10,000 times over.
Tell me Wash, what graphics card you have atm ? :) is it uhmmmm lets say ..... nvidia ?? :D
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Tell me Wash, what graphics card you have atm ? :) is it uhmmmm lets say ..... nvidia ?? :D
I have an NVIDIA GTX 295. :)
Now that's just bullshit, for the money that ATi is being sold and compared to the quality of NVIDIA, it's surely a win...
Dude, ATi is like.. see for yourself.
(http://www.dansdata.com/images/blog/carmageddon/carma2_full.jpg)
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That is just a crappy game..
I think it's not a lot difference between nVidia an ATI/AMD, sometimes the one is better and sometimes the other.. At the moment I think ATI is better for what you get in price. It also depends on the games, some of them are optimised for a specific manufacturer. It's bullsh*t if you say ATI is crap, if you say you don't like it OK.. Most of the people don't even know a thing about it and yell some stuff.. But OK, I would personally also buy a nVidia card so don't be mad at me :)
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That is just a crappy game..
I think it's not a lot difference between nVidia an ATI/AMD, sometimes the one is better and sometimes the other.. At the moment I think ATI is better for what you get in price. It also depends on the games, some of them are optimised for a specific manufacturer. It's bullsh*t if you say ATI is crap, if you say you don't like it OK.. Most of the people don't even know a thing about it and yell some stuff.. But OK, I would personally also buy a nVidia card so don't be mad at me :)
Well, there are a few reasons why I hate ATi.
1) I don't understand the names - they are rather confusing.. like 4480, 6505, 7818, etc. :D
2) They are essentially the 'cheaper' company, as you said yourself.
3) They have some issues with their drivers.
4) I believe when it comes to the very top gaming cards, nvidia is better than ATi. Niall is looking for an ultimate gaming computer, thus he should choose the best graphic card as it is the most important piece of hardware for a gaming PC.
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Two ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2's using CrossfireX is pure ownage.
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http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/8 (http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/8)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-4890-review-test/10 (http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-4890-review-test/10)
Which one would you buy?
HD 4890 ~220€ E: Price failed ~200€
GTX 295 ~440€ E: Price failed ~480€
I would buy ATi, because it can do the same with cheaper price, and HD 4770, it's da best.
XP doesnt support DX 10, so its just a matter of time when will you switch to Windows 7/Vista, another thing i heard that XP doesnt support QUAD core processors and I7 too maybe i aint sure about the i7 anyway windows 7 is the way to go
WTF is this? XP doesn't support two processor at the same time, if you have one processor even with 10 cores, it'll work with XP. Where you need DX10 in games right now? Just wait for newer graphs card and full version of Windows 7, it should have DX11, so no, don't change XP to anything until DX11 arrives.
I have an NVIDIA GTX 295. :)
First you say to me you have an 9800GX2, then you have GTX 280 and now you have GTX 295? I say you have some crappy PC and your just trying to make yourself look "rich". Take this as no offense.
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First you say to me you have an 9800GX2, then you have GTX 280 and now you have GTX 295? I say you have some crappy PC and your just trying to make yourself look "rich". Take this as no offense.
Sorry for the off-topic, but dude..
I had a 9800GX2 like, AGES(6 months+) ago.. then I upgraded to a GTX 280. I had overclocked the GTX 280, but due to a small mistake it burnt out. Luckily the people that I bought it from (DinoPC) returned me my money, and I bought a GTX 295 for the amount I bought a GTX 280 for. (When I bought my GTX 280, it now costs how much a GTX 295 costs.)
So, stfu?
EDIT: sorry Niall, this is like total fan boy war. :D
EDIT 2: Take this as no offence, Kessu.. mmkay?
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I prefer ATI because is more cheaper and the quality is pretty the same, what does the 295 GTX , the ATI can do it too ....
Just imagine ... a CPU AMD X4 955 3.2Ghz ( or Intel I7 , but its allmost the same ) and two Ati Radeon 4870 X2 on Crossfire X like Squeak has sayed .... and Wash ...
Dude, ATi is like.. see for yourself.
(http://www.dansdata.com/images/blog/carmageddon/carma2_full.jpg)
Come onnn dude :lol: :rofl: what game is that ? :rofl: You're making ATI look a bad company, wich it isnt. Did you see how good runs the top games (( GTA IV , Far cry 2 , Crysis Warhead , Dead Space .. etc )) and how good the graphics are even with the classic Ati Radeon 4870 ? That pic with the game you posted i think it can run even on a 2001 computer configuration :lol:
Heres crysis on Ati radeon 4870 : [yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7GixUX426E&feature=related[/yt]