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Title: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JDC on January 13, 2009, 09:34:20 am: Guys.

I have noticed that there is a sort of "distinction" very common on Argonath (I've seen it most in SAMP if you talk about ingame), it's as if, if you are not an Admin or a Senior ARPD Member, the majority of players will ignore you.

For example, if you've seen Legolas' "So who's a roleplayer?" Topic, and notice his words, you will see that if a regular player says the same thing, the others will say "[email protected], USELESS TOPIC! Lock ffs!" but if Gandalf / Aragorn / Legolas say it, people will go "yes Mr. Admin, very right! I agree!". Seriously, I personally think this is bullshit.

What is your opinion on this?
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Bianconeri on January 13, 2009, 09:46:29 am: i have to agree with this,
personally im ARPD Sergeant, so im a bit higher in the rankings there,
and you can see ppl got more respect for you that high,
and not when cadet.

and not only by cops you see that, also civillians got more respect and listening better to higher ranked cops,
then to freecops/cadet.

its logic a bit anyway,
a regular knows more about it so you will listen faster
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Samaron on January 13, 2009, 11:02:09 am: admins and cops have more to say not because of respect but because of "If I say to that guy that he is wrong I get banned or jailed", normal players dont have any command powers so you can fuck with them as much as you want.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Omri on January 13, 2009, 11:15:50 am: I must disagree you as people give the "high" people right, we normal people cant do really much than just flooding the main chat with the thing we want to spread and in the end we will only get a kick. But thats not only in Argonath, mostly in all of communties there will be some respected and some bad :(.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Jserg on January 13, 2009, 12:36:01 pm: Well, its really annoying .. As you said JDC, if you or any other regular member would post a topic like Legolas, all others would say useless topic, complaints to blabla
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Bianconeri on January 13, 2009, 01:28:40 pm: mmm someone voted we got equal rights for all,
explain your voting also please
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: The_Wolf on January 13, 2009, 01:32:06 pm: And what are we going to do about this anyway, make players pay attention to all?
I simply cannot understand the purpose of your topic.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Bianconeri on January 13, 2009, 01:53:53 pm: Quote from: Vu4eCa on January 13, 2009, 01:32:06 pm
And what are we going to do about this anyway, make players pay attention to all?
I simply cannot understand the purpose of your topic.

you are right,
you cant do anything about it
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Matthew_Mcbride on January 13, 2009, 04:16:55 pm: ha interesting results
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Legolas on January 13, 2009, 05:07:36 pm: Who will listen my complaints? :conf: And if you dont like some main admins fell free send complain about them.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: ChaNce on January 13, 2009, 05:10:47 pm: Sending complaints about Main Admins, because you dont like them? Nah...we dont want to go that down.

Yep right, if I argue with an admin, and I know I am right, the whole community is like : OMG Stop di' shitz plx...hes admin you not bye.

And if a player wants to talk about a problem in this community, the Admins run away with statements like : Pls send it to Complaint Mail Samp@argonath blabla..or simply lock the topic.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Icarus on January 13, 2009, 07:08:40 pm: At least 1 current admin would listen to my judgement, and back before i got banned, at least 4 did, because i gave sencible suggestions

For the sake of this post, il letting this all come out.

Admins will NOT immediatly kick someone for "dming" when they accidently shoot you, Admins do whats right

If you want Admins to listen to you, dont be like "omg id 11 killed me, he haxx, im too good to be killed". Send a report about possible hacks, and the admins will check it out, if nothing happens, dont cry about admins ignoring you, chances are, you could have made a bad call, that is all, perhaps ask if an admin picked up your report if you expect the server had a lot of reports at that time, but only ask if they saw it, dont demand anything of them. Admins have every right to ignore you if your being a dick about something.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: FlameMan on January 13, 2009, 10:14:48 pm: Quote from: Icarus on January 13, 2009, 07:08:40 pm
At least 1 current admin would listen to my judgement, and back before i got banned, at least 4 did, because i gave sencible suggestions

For the sake of this post, il letting this all come out.

Admins will NOT immediatly kick someone for "dming" when they accidently shoot you, Admins do whats right

If you want Admins to listen to you, dont be like "omg id 11 killed me, he haxx, im too good to be killed". Send a report about possible hacks, and the admins will check it out, if nothing happens, dont cry about admins ignoring you, chances are, you could have made a bad call, that is all, perhaps ask if an admin picked up your report if you expect the server had a lot of reports at that time, but only ask if they saw it, dont demand anything of them. Admins have every right to ignore you if your being a dick about something.

One... the only one person who got a point... Thank you Brad..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Icarus on January 13, 2009, 10:19:31 pm: Quote from: FlameMan on January 13, 2009, 10:14:48 pm

One... the only one person who got a point... Thank you Brad..

I think you really need to have been in the situation to get it fully, but im hoping emblazening it for all to see might help the admins about a bit, cause (no offence) You are all getting stressed out because of the new players, and as i dont dislike any of the admins iv seen online, i dont want them stressed out and pissed off. Most people just shut up and watch people annoy the admins, from now on, I think pissing off admins should be warn/kickable, to stop people doing it, theyl still shout abuse at the admins, but theyl eventually stop trying to piss them off.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Wayne on January 13, 2009, 10:21:12 pm: We usually think that we are really right..
For that situation about admins x players this shouldnt happen, Why?
Admins are players, if they want fight players, they are fighting themselves,
Admins are players that keep the law of server daily,
And players shouldnt fight admins, thats a true mistake,
Players should get off admin's ass and focus in his roleplay.
Admins should do the same, But they shall focus on work.
Player's shouldnt fight admins aswell admins..
Admins does not have a extra advantage, they work hard.
Don't you think, admins sometimes misses the fun because of work.
For my point, topic should be closed. same for the poll.
Admins sees player reports, they take action if needed.
Admins are not eight eyes man, they have only one eye when spectating an player.
So admin does not take multiple cases. They MAY take MULTIPLE players.
We have equal rights, admins may be banned/kicked, aswell players.
Admins are players, They may get punished also.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Dr J. Cohen on January 13, 2009, 10:31:53 pm: Quote
i have to agree with this,
personally im ARPD Sergeant, so im a bit higher in the rankings there,
A bit high in server rankings??? ARPD Sergeant really has nothing to do with the voices of argonath.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Icarus on January 13, 2009, 10:36:10 pm: Quote from: Vaio on January 13, 2009, 10:31:53 pm
A bit high in server rankings??? ARPD Sergeant really has nothing to do with the voices of argonath.

You've totally ignored me Wayne and Flamemans posts, havnt you, and just commented on what you assumed you could rip on?
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Pandalink on January 13, 2009, 10:58:23 pm: Quote from: Icarus on January 13, 2009, 10:36:10 pm
You've totally ignored me Wayne and Flamemans posts, havnt you, and just commented on what you assumed you could rip on?

Isn't that what a lot of people on ~~the Argonath Forums~~ the Internet do? :(
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: FlameMan on January 13, 2009, 11:05:06 pm: I dont know about other admins, so i will speak for myself...
Personally, im doing admin work all the time im on server. Since i became an admin, i stopped Roleplay, hanging out with my friends...
Admin team is something more than clan, more than friends... we are like family, supporting ourself and fighting any argues inside A-team if there are any.

It is not easy to do admin work.. Why? There are a lot of reports, to which admins have to respond. We really try to answer every single report, but its impossible if there are like 2 admins per 50 people on server..
Every admin after some report, takes that report and is starting to take actions.

Now point 1: To players shouting "admin freeze him!, admin kick him he carjacked me!!, admin warn him!!" and moaning that admins dont read reports...
Admin, to take any actions against player, has to see on his OWN EYES that player is rulebreaking.. so if after report, reported player is following rules, and there was no admin who saw player rulebreaking, we cannot take any actions against him.
We HAVE TO see rulebreak on our OWN EYES.

Point 2: Hackers...
Admins respond on hacker reports immediately... Sometimes we are also dropping our current report to check is it really hacker reported..
Writing in public chat "ID 17 HACKER HE GOT ARMOUR!!!! BAN HIM!!!" or flooding "ID 17 HACKER BAN HIM!!!" is just stupid and without any sense.... We do READ reports and we TRY TO answer all.... especially hacker reports.... Its obvious that person who hacks, and who will notice "BAN ID 17 ITS HACKER" on main chat, he will leave... then come back after few hours under other name... so why is that needed? Just a little trust to your team...

Point 3: Money..
Ive heard several times that admins have unlimited money... or they are earning money for their job...
NO - admins do not take any money for their admin work...

Point 4: Situation Players vs Admins..
Many players are moaning that this or that admin is abusing his commands.. if you see admin abusing, contact any Argonath Developer or write report to [email protected]...
Many players are also trying to piss admins off.. Why? We are working for you.. Not for ourself.... to secure YOU from hackers, dropping our roleplay and fun from playing with accepting invitation to admin team... Imagine how server would look like without admins... Carjackers, deathmatchers, hackers, rammers, cop abusers etc...
Think about it...

And now about voice.. You would like to have the same voice as Main Admins? Its their server, they put here really, really much work and private time to make it working.. do you think someone pays them for it? no.. so at least minimum of respect to their voice is pretty obvious and normal, isnt it?
If im wrong, correct me..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Nexxt on January 13, 2009, 11:42:20 pm: In my eyes, admins are just players for me.
Maybe u see it strange, but I dont care if someoen is admin or not.

Look they have the responsibility to have the server clean, and when they are order me to do something I will do.
But in RP, chat I do not make difference between admins or players.
The only things whats different is their commands, and their name on /admins.
I listen to them when needed but on other things they are just my friends (most of them, there is no admin I hate)
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Carbon on January 14, 2009, 12:30:06 am: Quote from: FlameMan on January 13, 2009, 10:14:48 pm

One... the only one person who got a point... Thank you Brad..

Indeed.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Hircine on January 14, 2009, 01:11:46 am: Quote from: FlameMan on January 13, 2009, 11:05:06 pm
I dont know about other admins, so i will speak for myself...
Personally, im doing admin work all the time im on server. Since i became an admin, i stopped Roleplay, hanging out with my friends...
Admin team is something more than clan, more than friends... we are like family, supporting ourself and fighting any argues inside A-team if there are any.

It is not easy to do admin work.. Why? There are a lot of reports, to which admins have to respond. We really try to answer every single report, but its impossible if there are like 2 admins per 50 people on server..
Every admin after some report, takes that report and is starting to take actions.

Now point 1: To players shouting "admin freeze him!, admin kick him he carjacked me!!, admin warn him!!" and moaning that admins dont read reports...
Admin, to take any actions against player, has to see on his OWN EYES that player is rulebreaking.. so if after report, reported player is following rules, and there was no admin who saw player rulebreaking, we cannot take any actions against him.
We HAVE TO see rulebreak on our OWN EYES.

Point 2: Hackers...
Admins respond on hacker reports immediately... Sometimes we are also dropping our current report to check is it really hacker reported..
Writing in public chat "ID 17 HACKER HE GOT ARMOUR!!!! BAN HIM!!!" or flooding "ID 17 HACKER BAN HIM!!!" is just stupid and without any sense.... We do READ reports and we TRY TO answer all.... especially hacker reports.... Its obvious that person who hacks, and who will notice "BAN ID 17 ITS HACKER" on main chat, he will leave... then come back after few hours under other name... so why is that needed? Just a little trust to your team...

Point 3: Money..
Ive heard several times that admins have unlimited money... or they are earning money for their job...
NO - admins do not take any money for their admin work...

Point 4: Situation Players vs Admins..
Many players are moaning that this or that admin is abusing his commands.. if you see admin abusing, contact any Argonath Developer or write report to [email protected]...
Many players are also trying to piss admins off.. Why? We are working for you.. Not for ourself.... to secure YOU from hackers, dropping our roleplay and fun from playing with accepting invitation to admin team... Imagine how server would look like without admins... Carjackers, deathmatchers, hackers, rammers, cop abusers etc...
Think about it...

And now about voice.. You would like to have the same voice as Main Admins? Its their server, they put here really, really much work and private time to make it working.. do you think someone pays them for it? no.. so at least minimum of respect to their voice is pretty obvious and normal, isnt it?
If im wrong, correct me..

You're not a good admin, you accused me of lying about having a bug and when I got carkilled I died as sus, and respawned innocent so I did /q to fix bug and came back. Then you tempban me for /q abuse and lying, wtf? One other admin I know lies and rulebreaks but I won't name him.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Legolas on January 14, 2009, 01:20:49 am: Doing /q will not fix any bug's... :neutral: Restart game/connection/computer if you have bug.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Brains on January 14, 2009, 01:22:15 am: And you think that people have equal voice rights in real life ?? :conf:
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on January 14, 2009, 01:27:09 am: Every one think of this.... Which people can you go up to and say this to "f*ck you!" would you only say that to certain people(either "imporant people" or "worthless people"), all people, or no one at all. The real reason why we let certain people have more authoirty and word is because either one we have "awe" for them, we repsect their high power. Or two, we are afriad of them and what they can do or maybe just want to ass lick...
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Hircine on January 14, 2009, 01:29:05 am: Quote from: Legolas on January 14, 2009, 01:20:49 am
Doing /q will not fix any bug's... :neutral: Restart game/connection/computer if you have bug.

It is the bug where you get teleported and stuck with a bottle in your hand and you can run and walk like CJ.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Legolas on January 14, 2009, 01:44:31 am: Quote from: Hircine on January 14, 2009, 01:29:05 am

It is the bug where you get teleported and stuck with a bottle in your hand and you can run and walk like CJ.
So...?? And what you do by /q ? Restarting game. Esc also works in SAMP, some people forgot about this fact.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Vince on January 14, 2009, 01:59:38 am: People that can do something, good people, nice people, not nice people AKA annoying piss off"ers", the disrespected, bad reputation, asskissers. A few of the many types of reasons people's voices have different meaning. If for example someone who constantly flames goes and reports someone for flaming them it's going to be taken into consideration that person probably provoked it. Someone who's been banned before and got lucky of coming back will be hated on by some and not "heard" such as regular "good" or "nice" players. In summary it's really that we're all equal but when someone with a good reputation who is a better person will get "looked at", "seen", "put into consideration" before someone who isn't a good person. By the regular player that is, in my opinion. Being an admin most of the time just means that you're one of these "nice people", hence the voice being heard. If you look at it, the people who help others, show respect to a limit, know what to do around what people, voice their own opinion, know when to stop/start something, and know when to SHUT UP are the ones who are heard.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Watahell on January 14, 2009, 02:29:17 am: Quote from: Brains on January 14, 2009, 01:22:15 am
And you think that people have equal voice rights in real life ?? :conf:

^ Damn true. That's pretty natural. That "equal rights" thing unfortunately is just a dream.
Sometimes admins are right, and if you discuss with them, you get a "drop it" + a banana.
Sometimes admins are wrong and they know it, and if you discuss with them, you get a "drop it" + banana.

I've learned from past experiencies that trying to improve the server through arguing is not the best way. Why? Because you're not in the same level as you would be with your fellow player. Instead, be the exemplar player and teach the others who are in the same level and then the "bad admin" will realise that he is wrong and will take action to fix it.

Admins do have more power in my point of view and I can't deny it, so what? That's not necessarily bad. Just live with it. Actually, there is a need for people with more power, otherwise the server would be a big mess, with no order. As long as they don't abuse it...

Some players are very quick to shout: OMG BAD ADMIN. But honestly, most of them need a "mirror" so they'd realise how they are being ironic/agressive towards others...
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JDC on January 14, 2009, 07:48:20 am: @Legend: The purpose of my posting this topic is becuase I am angered when I see injustices such as when a player makes a topic and the entire community shouts the email in his ears, locks his topic, and calls him a spammer, and where a main admin / developer makes a topic with the exact same words or point and the majority of players kiss his / her ass and agree 100 percent.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: ChaNce on January 14, 2009, 11:38:21 am: Quote from: JDCdesigns on January 14, 2009, 07:48:20 am
@Legend: The purpose of my posting this topic is becuase I am angered when I see injustices such as when a player makes a topic and the entire community shouts the email in his ears, locks his topic, and calls him a spammer, and where a main admin / developer makes a topic with the exact same words or point and the majority of players kiss his / her ass and agree 100 percent.

No shit....
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on January 14, 2009, 11:35:09 pm: Quote from: JDCdesigns on January 14, 2009, 07:48:20 am
@Legend: The purpose of my posting this topic is becuase I am angered when I see injustices such as when a player makes a topic and the entire community shouts the email in his ears, locks his topic, and calls him a spammer, and where a main admin / developer makes a topic with the exact same words or point and the majority of players kiss his / her ass and agree 100 percent.

Please give me one example of an admin or developer making a topic compalining about something or pointing something else out like "admins are corrupt". Developers/like Aragor and Gandalf have every right to post something like that as an announcement because its their website. But give me an example of admin doing this, because I havent seen anything...
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Icarus on January 14, 2009, 11:48:38 pm: Quote from: Matthew_Cipricla on January 14, 2009, 11:35:09 pm
Please give me one example of an admin or developer making a topic compalining about something or pointing something else out like "admins are corrupt". Developers/like Aragor and Gandalf have every right to post something like that as an announcement because its their website. But give me an example of admin doing this, because I havent seen anything...

Legolas made a post calling 90% of SA-MP DMers and non-rpers, and instead of sticking up for themselves, 90% of SA-MP said "oh yeah, I agree" Matthews Right, but i dont agree with most of the stuff getting posted these days, its mostly flame bait.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on January 14, 2009, 11:52:35 pm: Legolas was right, 90% of SA:MP are DM-ers, Non-Rpers, because most servers on SA:MP are Dm servers. Or do you mean he said Argonath are Dmers, because if thats true that wasnt a smart thing on his part, the players are what makes Argo, Argonath.....

BTW do you have the link to the topic where he said it?
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Icarus on January 15, 2009, 01:48:45 am: Quote from: Matthew_Cipricla on January 14, 2009, 11:52:35 pm
Legolas was right, 90% of SA:MP are DM-ers, Non-Rpers, because most servers on SA:MP are Dm servers. Or do you mean he said Argonath are Dmers, because if thats true that wasnt a smart thing on his part, the players are what makes Argo, Argonath.....

BTW do you have the link to the topic where he said it?

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=26565.0

Theres more somewhere else, but i cba finding it.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Squeak on January 15, 2009, 01:51:11 am: @Topic Title..
Simple Answer: No.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JDC on January 15, 2009, 11:26:52 am: Quote from: Matthew_Cipricla on January 14, 2009, 11:52:35 pm
Legolas was right, 90% of SA:MP are DM-ers, Non-Rpers, because most servers on SA:MP are Dm servers. Or do you mean he said Argonath are Dmers, because if thats true that wasnt a smart thing on his part, the players are what makes Argo, Argonath.....

BTW do you have the link to the topic where he said it?

I wont agree about the DMers, but I would agree about the NonRPers. A lot of players (me included ofc) on Argonath lack one of the following factors:

1. Roleplay Skills (NonRPers)
2. Player Communication Skills (Flamers)
3. Attitude (People who feel that they are 1337 but are actually jerks)
4. New Player Communication (People who dont help out new players because they basically think its a waste of time)

Only few people on Argonath (the people who end up being hated only because of envy) have a good score in all four of those attributes, that's one of the reasons why Legolas made this topic.

If a regular player or even a low-level admin made a topic exactly like that, the Argonath Players will deny the fact and shout the email in his ears because they know that the topic describes them, but they will turn their mouths into vaccum cleaners and asskiss like hell if a Main Admin or Developer posted it.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: The_Wolf on January 15, 2009, 02:31:37 pm: Quote from: JDCdesigns on January 14, 2009, 07:48:20 am
@Legend: The purpose of my posting this topic is becuase I am angered when I see injustices such as when a player makes a topic and the entire community shouts the email in his ears, locks his topic, and calls him a spammer, and where a main admin / developer makes a topic with the exact same words or point and the majority of players kiss his / her ass and agree 100 percent.
Players would kiss developers' and main admins' asses... oh, is that so?
Since when did all started "rising" and complaining about everything?
It's been like that here ever since I joined this community. Who wouldn't use the chance of "supporting" a developer and aproving his topics and replies? I was like that also, I liked asskissing and giving such "support".

I also think there is a lot of people, whom are like that, but who would also change some day, just like I did. Now I will give you an example...

You go out in the street and start telling some things to people who you don't know. You start telling them about real life experiences, about games, about your house and etcetera. Who would listen to you? Nobody, they'd just tell you to go away.

Now if you are a well known politic or a celebrity in your country and you go out on streets and start talking to people, everyone would pretend they care and give you "False support". That's the way it is and would always be, because this is life...

You creating this topic will not change anything and neither it would make people listen to other players' posts and topics.
Oh and by the way, me personally, when I see a topic with an interesting title, I go there and see what it has, no matter if it was created by a player, an admin or even a guest. So not all people here are like that...
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: ChaNce on January 15, 2009, 02:56:39 pm: Well Legend,

I dont think JDC means the asslicker sort like: Hey CBF good job!
I think he means those guys who say shit like: OMFG WTF IT IS GANDALF OMFG BBBBBBQQQQQQQQ <333 WE LOVE YOU
Thats whats annoying, and for me...not acceptable.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Caltson on January 15, 2009, 03:06:28 pm: Quote from: ChaNce on January 15, 2009, 02:56:39 pm
Well Legend,

I dont think JDC means the asslicker sort like: Hey CBF good job!
I think he means those guys who say shit like: OMFG WTF IT IS GANDALF OMFG BBBBBBQQQQQQQQ <333 WE LOVE YOU
Thats whats annoying, and for me...not acceptable.
If you appreciate the work of a developer, Is it that bad if you give him a compliment or is that seen as asslicker to?
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: The_Wolf on January 15, 2009, 03:06:39 pm: Quote from: ChaNce on January 15, 2009, 02:56:39 pm
Well Legend,

I dont think JDC means the asslicker sort like: Hey CBF good job!
I did not quite mean that either, telling a developer he did a good job is not asslick and it might feel very well sometimes, I can assure you.

I more likely meant the guys who are like: "I agree with you, you are 100% correct, ofcourse it's that way!" and do not get me wRONg, not everybody who does that is an asskisser, only the ones who do it all the time and only with developers.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: adam_stevens on January 15, 2009, 03:12:52 pm: Answer: No, we fucking don't.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on January 15, 2009, 05:19:12 pm: Well if someone made that exact same topic that legolas made, would they get flamed? Thats the real question, and if they would of gotten flamed (and the only reason why legolas didnt get flamed because he is high authority) then this community has some serious problems. However, if a regular person like you or me posted that, then people might think of it as a complaining bitchy ass attitude. but since a high authoirty person posted it people will think of it as an important announcement and should be read and followed.....

I dont know seems to be theres some serious sh*t not right, but its still a great community.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JDC on January 16, 2009, 10:49:11 am: Matthew and ChaNce just found the words which I failed to speak.

Seriously, if people see a complaint topic being made about them, they should accept instead of flaming the poster. This community does have some serious problems.

About the "CBF good job" asskisser type, giving a developer a compliment does not mean asskissing necessarily. But there are some people who act like "Sweet Mary Jane" in front of the developers and when its a new player facing them, they're like "fuck off you noob".
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Pancher on January 16, 2009, 11:34:50 am: Quote from: Watahell on January 14, 2009, 02:29:17 am
^ Damn true. That's pretty natural. That "equal rights" thing unfortunately is just a dream.
Sometimes admins are right, and if you discuss with them, you get a "drop it" + a banana.
Sometimes admins are wrong and they know it, and if you discuss with them, you get a "drop it" + banana.

Easy answer on that. We dont want peopel arguee, screaming, moaning and fight over Public chat cos it's anoying to read while u Role Playing. Iven if an admin has right or not, Our task is to finish end the disucssen on the public chat so others can be relaxed when they are RP.. If u want to keep discuss please use MSN or other ways that fits u. I'm always on MSN so send a messeage there instead, or as other says send a mail to complaint mail..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: ChaNce on January 16, 2009, 01:01:39 pm: Quote from: john_smith on January 16, 2009, 12:55:29 pm
Removed

Couldnt have said it better!

Also I think there are people really sick of those kind of things as I found this quote on another website.
This is not written by me:

As I see, we dont really have a good reputation out there if its up to RP or maturity .... :S

Quotes removed..
Reason: Flaming the Argonath RPG Community... - If you agree with them.. join them.. else play and don't flame and whine about things you've also caused.
Admin: Razor

(Remove it if you find this not matching at all )

But, as I think there is a major problem about Argonath and the people..and people make RP, so we gotta find a solution.
This is not meant from my side, to harm Argonath, its meant as a view how ppl. outside of Argontath think of us

(http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/Themes/default/images/warnwarn.gif) flame over forums, flaming Argonath server.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: OGKing on January 16, 2009, 04:28:00 pm: Oh man those are hard words to our community. We have to find a solution, but I don't see Aragorn or Gandalf are replying to those topics. I want to know, what they think about it..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Brains on January 16, 2009, 04:52:44 pm: ChaNce, give us the source of those quotes to see who wrote that..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: ChaNce on January 16, 2009, 05:42:16 pm: Click me for more info (http://forum.ls-rp.com/search.php?keywords=Argonath&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search)

There you go.

Dont see a reason of giving this to you, but as you want it..no problem.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: DiheSforza on January 16, 2009, 06:25:07 pm: Its not only on SAMP. Same on VCMP or MTA:SA... All of that is caused by ass lickers, who want to make themselves admin this way or guys who are simple scared of admins because they have a right to ban / kick / mute them.
The only server where pepole got same voice rights is MTA:VC... No this isnt an advertising of MTA:VC so please dont blame on me... Because everybody on MTA:VC knows each other as a good friend, so they`ve got same voice rights..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Carhartt on January 16, 2009, 06:36:33 pm: Hahahaha, someone was impersonating me to get into their police force!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
http://forum.ls-rp.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=37473&p=436772&hilit=Argonath&sid=d96b9c31bf4c4cad3e9e48f7d60262c5#p436772

This is damn funny:

Lenny Ocean was the name of my character on Argonath, it was me who was in SWAT & Sergeant in the SAPD.

This prick even uses my signature, what a bastard.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: ChaNce on January 16, 2009, 06:38:23 pm: And I know who it is....

Swifty..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Carhartt on January 16, 2009, 06:44:32 pm: Ah well, he could at least have asked me for a permission, but it somehow honors me that he used my crappy roleplay character. :D
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Proxan on January 16, 2009, 08:24:13 pm: Quote from: Carhartt on January 16, 2009, 06:44:32 pm
Ah well, he could at least have asked me for a permission, but it somehow honors me that he used my crappy roleplay character. :D

Sorry off topic , but good he got denied :P
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:29:58 pm: No, we don't..

Xcasio: or gimli hows about you tell who's the admin that abused me about 2 months ago after i got unbanned and the admin was spectuating me and putting the carjacking command and I got kicked out of my car twice and I contacted you and you said the admin was sorry and how come he didn't lose his job eh? hope you tell know.. and if you say that never happened i will release the pictures as i took pictures of you saying he's sorry...

btw: the admin is corrupted too not only the players, get your story straight, plus this has nothing to do with the stuff i've done in the past so don't even bring that up..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: smey on January 16, 2009, 08:36:31 pm: Quote from: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:29:58 pm
No, we don't..

Xcasio: or gimli hows about you tell who's the admin that abused me about 2 months ago after i got unbanned and the admin was spectuating me and putting the carjacking command and I got kicked out of my car twice and I contacted you and you said the admin was sorry and how come he didn't lose his job eh? hope you tell know.. and if you say that never happened i will release the pictures as i took pictures of you saying he's sorry...

btw: the admin is corrupted too not only the players, get your story straight, plus this has nothing to do with the stuff i've done in the best so don't even bring that up..

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=28&topic=26310.msg325120

Bye.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:37:51 pm: Quote from: smey on January 16, 2009, 08:36:31 pm
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=28&topic=26310.msg325120

Bye.

pfft... you don't read do you..

Quote from: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:29:58 pm

btw: the admin is corrupted too not only the players, get your story straight, plus this has nothing to do with the stuff i've done in the past so don't even bring that up..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: smey on January 16, 2009, 08:39:19 pm: That was not my point. I was just wondering why you are still here. And sends those screens to samp@argonath ... well you know the address I guess.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: FlameMan on January 16, 2009, 08:41:04 pm: Quote from: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:37:51 pm
pfft... you don't read do you..

Will you ever leave Argonath? Your "leaving forever" topics seems not working...
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:42:15 pm: Quote from: FlameMan on January 16, 2009, 08:41:04 pm

Will you ever leave Argonath? Your "leaving forever" topics seems not working...

What language are you speaking? go back to school..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: ChaNce on January 16, 2009, 08:47:24 pm: Quote from: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:42:15 pm
What language are you speaking? go back to school..

As you might have noticed this guys origin is NOT England/Australia/Usa so his english DOENST have to be perfect.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: FlameMan on January 16, 2009, 08:52:14 pm: dont worry ChaNce, he is not worth discussion with us :)

"Never argue with an idiot, because he will lower your level to his one, and will win by the experience"...

Nie dyskutuj z idiotÃƒâ€žÃ¢â‚¬Â¦, bo zniÃƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¼y CiÃƒâ€žÃ¢â€žÂ¢ do swojego poziomu i wygra doÃƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Âºwiadczeniem....
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Legolas on January 16, 2009, 08:54:11 pm: Gillie_Da_Kid w jakim jÃƒâ€žÃ¢â€žÂ¢zyku ty piszesz? IdÃƒâ€¦Ã‚Âº do szkoÃƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Å¡y i naucz siÃƒâ€žÃ¢â€žÂ¢ mojego, wtedy pogadamy o nauce...

EDIT:
Gillie_Da_Kid in what language you type? Go to school and learn my own, then we can talk about learning...
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:54:37 pm: Quote from: FlameMan on January 16, 2009, 08:52:14 pm
dont worry ChaNce, he is not worth discussion with us :)

"Never argue with an idiot, because he will lower your level to his one, and will win by the experience"...

Nie dyskutuj z idiotÃƒâ€žÃ¢â‚¬Â¦, bo zniÃƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¼y CiÃƒâ€žÃ¢â€žÂ¢ do swojego poziomu i wygra doÃƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Âºwiadczeniem....

Actually your the idoit you think your the bomb because your an admin which is a problem in argonath
Quote from: Legolas on January 16, 2009, 08:54:11 pm
Gillie_Da_Kid w jakim jÃƒâ€žÃ¢â€žÂ¢zyku ty piszesz? IdÃƒâ€¦Ã‚Âº do szkoÃƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Å¡y i naucz siÃƒâ€žÃ¢â€žÂ¢ mojego, wtedy pogadamy o nauce...

Why talk about science?
(http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/Themes/default/images/warnpmod.gif) Constant flaming over Argonath forums.
-Lionz
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: ChaNce on January 16, 2009, 08:55:59 pm: Yeah, I heard that once somewhere :P

Anyways, Gillie..if you want to argue on your level do this:

Click the [X] in the corner to the right.

Turn your PC off.

Cut the cables (Yes, you shoudl get an eletronical hit first)

Open your window

Throw the PC out

Turn arround

Look in the mirror

AND NOW THE DISCUSSION ON THE LOW LEVEL CAN START!
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Inkognito on January 16, 2009, 09:00:57 pm: If we would look about our description - yes. But, It's very hard to join Argonath as newcomer, cadet of ARPD. It's almost impossible. Administrators are always helpfully and friendly, but other players. They ignores newcommers attempts to learn how to RP. Instead of shouting: STFU, I will not RP with oyu, you don't know how to RP, you should be able to teach newcomers how, when, where etc...
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Carhartt on January 16, 2009, 09:05:07 pm: Quote from: Inkognito on January 16, 2009, 09:00:57 pm
If we would look about our description - yes. But, It's very hard to join Argonath as newcomer, cadet of ARPD. It's almost impossible. Administrators are always helpfully and friendly, but other players. They ignores newcommers attempts to learn how to RP. Instead of shouting: STFU, I will not RP with oyu, you don't know how to RP, you should be able to teach newcomers how, when, where etc...

Remember that we're not kindergarteners, we're joining the server to roleplay without getting disturbed.

I'm willing to blend in new players who are willing to follow the rules / learn strict roleplay. but about the others I don't care and it's not my job.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Inkognito on January 16, 2009, 09:06:26 pm: Quote from: Carhartt on January 16, 2009, 09:05:07 pm
Remember that we're not kindergarteners, we're joining the server to roleplay without getting disturbed.

I'm willing to blend in new players who are willing to follow the rules / learn strict roleplay. but about the others I don't care and it's not my job.

Of course. Thoose, only who wants to RP has to be teached :)
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Legolas on January 16, 2009, 09:27:33 pm: Thats why most topics are locked... they turn into flame ones.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: adam_stevens on January 16, 2009, 09:28:09 pm: Razor reason for removing my post? I said a clear fact - its common that admins keep arguing after they have banana'ed player, i am sorry if it hurts you deeply :lol:
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Carhartt on January 16, 2009, 09:37:01 pm: Quote from: ChaNce on January 16, 2009, 01:01:39 pm

Quotes removed..
Reason: Flaming the Argonath RPG Community... - If you agree with them.. join them.. else play and don't flame and whine about things you've also caused.
Admin: Razor

ChaNce didn't flame anyone in any way, but sometimes the urge to use the power of a forum mod is bigger. : )
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: ChaNce on January 16, 2009, 09:40:48 pm: Quote from: Carhartt on January 16, 2009, 09:37:01 pm
ChaNce didn't flame anyone in any way, but sometimes the urge to use the power of a forum mod is bigger. : )

Ah, Carhartt it has no sense to argue here.
I was posting some quotes ( YES QUOTES are not sentences by me). I was in the Neutral position. I was NEVER saying that I am agreeing with those quotes.
Anyways, thanks for trying to defend me against the "urge of a forum mod"
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Legolas on January 16, 2009, 10:06:08 pm: Quote from: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:54:37 pm
Why talk about science?
Then why you start conversation about knowledge of english?
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Watahell on January 16, 2009, 10:43:52 pm: Quote from: Pancher on January 16, 2009, 11:34:50 am
Easy answer on that. We dont want peopel arguee, screaming, moaning and fight over Public chat cos it's anoying to read while u Role Playing. Iven if an admin has right or not, Our task is to finish end the disucssen on the public chat so others can be relaxed when they are RP.. If u want to keep discuss please use MSN or other ways that fits u. I'm always on MSN so send a messeage there instead, or as other says send a mail to complaint mail..

That's true. But some admins actually argue with players alot, and if you ask: "Please, Admin X and player Y, take it to PM" just tell you: Stay out. Don't get involved. And keep arguing. And actually, that just happened to me today. :S

PS: Don't tell me to use the email, I know it, I'm just stating how things happen sometimes.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JayL on January 16, 2009, 10:54:07 pm: Lol @ the guys flaming Argonath in LSRP forums... They're all idiots, all they do in LS-RP is shootouts between cops and criminals, and robbing/kidnapping/swearing people who is alone on the streets... And the rest comes LOLOLOLOL DO YOU BUY SELL WEAPONS? LAL I WANT ONE CUZZ IMMA SHOOT PEOPLE LLALALALALALALA I SHOOT POLICE CUZ ITS RP!!! THEY DO IT IN REAL LIFE SO I CAN DO IT HERE TOOO LOL.

Anyway, answer is no.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Eric Wright on January 16, 2009, 10:59:22 pm: Wow John_Lob, you really sound like Tice o.O
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JayL on January 16, 2009, 11:04:56 pm: Oh, coolÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â :razz:

And call me JayL or JL please :D
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Carhartt on January 16, 2009, 11:07:19 pm: Quote from: John_Lob on January 16, 2009, 10:54:07 pm
Lol @ the guys flaming Argonath in LSRP forums... They're all idiots, all they do in LS-RP is shootouts between cops and criminals, and robbing/kidnapping/swearing people who is alone on the streets... And the rest comes LOLOLOLOL DO YOU BUY SELL WEAPONS? LAL I WANT ONE CUZZ IMMA SHOOT PEOPLE LLALALALALALALA I SHOOT POLICE CUZ ITS RP!!! THEY DO IT IN REAL LIFE SO I CAN DO IT HERE TOOO LOL.

Anyway, answer is no.

And you are / were one of them. :neutral:
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JayL on January 16, 2009, 11:09:45 pm: Quote from: Carhartt on January 16, 2009, 11:07:19 pm
And you are / were one of them.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â :neutral:

Yes... I indeed was... But when I woke up and realized how shit that place was I quit it, what is unlikely possible to happen with the rest of those.

I started roleplaying a civilian, 2 minutes after start walking normally and alone in the streets I get robbed. How fun is that?

So are / were you. :)
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: smey on January 17, 2009, 01:23:05 pm: Quote from: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 16, 2009, 08:42:15 pm
What language are you speaking? go back to school..

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Said by the guy who got screwed with that Seneca college thing by using did'nt instead of didn't
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 17, 2009, 01:37:13 pm: Quote from: FlameMan on January 16, 2009, 08:52:14 pm
dont worry ChaNce, he is not worth discussion with us :)

"Never argue with an idiot, because he will lower your level to his one, and will win by the experience"...

Nie dyskutuj z idiotÃƒâ€žÃ¢â‚¬Â¦, bo zniÃƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¼y CiÃƒâ€žÃ¢â€žÂ¢ do swojego poziomu i wygra doÃƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Âºwiadczeniem....

Yet you don't give him a single warning and this actually proves admins get listened to by main admins more then others do, so when your an admin its a win win situation you can easily lie and get away with alot of shit. I hate lionz and he is a great example..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Axel on January 17, 2009, 01:50:05 pm: Do all people have equal voice rights?

Yes, I think everyone does everyone apart from Gillie_Da_Kid.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: The_Wolf on January 17, 2009, 05:27:53 pm: Razor, how to you expect us to issue a warning for flaming if you removed the flaming from the posts??

Gillie, did you not say you surrender and had to leave the community?
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JayL on January 17, 2009, 06:40:35 pm: Gillie, you don't hate people, it's everyone who hates you. :)

Now get out please, kthxbai.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: The_Wolf on January 17, 2009, 07:49:36 pm: Quote from: John_Lob on January 17, 2009, 06:40:35 pm
Gillie, you don't hate people, it's everyone who hates you. :)

Now get out please, kthxbai.
I see, this is the exactly correct attitute from admin towards players... keep up the good job and you might get a... kick out of the admins team.
The "Gillie hatury" is old-fashion already, please stop it...
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on January 17, 2009, 09:43:33 pm: Quote from: Vu4eCa on January 17, 2009, 07:49:36 pm
I see, this is the exactly correct attitute from admin towards players... keep up the good job and you might get a... kick out of the admins team.
The "Gillie hatury" is old-fashion already, please stop it...

Is it me or does it seem like *another admin* said something just as familiar, as in....John isnt the only admin who has said things like that to Gillie.

And obviously people dont have the same voice. Something coming from Gillie or like Roman would be hated upon. Because they have little respect. The more respect you have (aka authoirty) the more your words mean in the eyes of the community.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 17, 2009, 10:30:15 pm: Quote from: Matthew_Cipricla on January 17, 2009, 09:43:33 pm
Is it me or does it seem like *another admin* said something just as familiar, as in....John isnt the only admin who has said things like that to Gillie.

And obviously people dont have the same voice. Something coming from Gillie or like Roman would be hated upon. Because they have little respect. The more respect you have (aka authoirty) the more your words mean in the eyes of the community.

Look, I've done some stuff in the past, I know you won't forget it, but atleast don't flame me... BTW Thanks matt
Quote from: Vu4eCa on January 17, 2009, 07:49:36 pm
I see, this is the exactly correct attitute from admin towards players... keep up the good job and you might get a... kick out of the admins team.
The "Gillie hatury" is old-fashion already, please stop it...

yup JL, Started it..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JayL on January 18, 2009, 12:09:50 am: Always someone started... You never did start anything related to your reptuation/hatury, right?Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â :rofl:

If you don't want to be 'hated' why don't you start improving yourself... or leave? Yes I am hating you, so what? Because I notice you're not improving. You dislike me too, I know. I am pointing my own mistake, unlikely to happen with most people here. Correct me if I am wrong.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â :roll:
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JDC on January 18, 2009, 01:01:00 am: Seriously Gillie, don't your "leaving forever" topics work?

Okay, getting back on topic, from the Developers' topics I have observed when contrasted with their non-admin-made-but-still-the-same-stuff-in-them counterparts, I would jump to the conclusion that 70% of the people are asskissers, it's a sad thing... really.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Brains on January 18, 2009, 01:12:39 am: Just don't start Gillie thing again and stay on topic..
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2009, 01:16:21 am: Quote from: Gillie_Da_Kid on January 17, 2009, 01:37:13 pm
Yet you don't give him a single warning and this actually proves admins get listened to by main admins more then others do, so when your an admin its a win win situation you can easily lie and get away with alot of shit. I hate lionz and he is a great example..

Nope. As far as I could see that is not true. Any accusation made by an admin is checked atleast twice - I myself had to deal with a simillar situation. I can talk to admins and get a better reaction out of them that some moderators can alotof the time. Probably because i've been here for a while. Plus I can talk to Ronnel and get a response fast, but if someone other than me would have done the same thing it would be delayed. This may be just a coninsidense, or it is proven that if you are here longer and/or are an admin you get a better say in most things. Personally I agreee with this, admins sometimes get more voice rights than others, but it also depends on your status in the community. I'm not saying admins would go to great lengths to do something for anyone, but in one or two cases, RON has went to some lengths to help me get =AV= and myself at one point ot of some very deep problematic shit...

( Midnight Rambling - A great sport, wouldn't you agree? )
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on January 18, 2009, 02:23:05 am: Quote from: ChaNce on January 16, 2009, 09:40:48 pm
I was posting some quotes ( YES QUOTES are not sentences by me). I was in the Neutral position. I was NEVER saying that I am agreeing with those quotes.
Doesn't matter ChaNce, you just find some quote you find to flame Argonath, post it and then it's ok? It's like posting a quote saying Argonath is a bunch of retards.. oh no.. you posted quotes similiar.. So dont whine.. and excuse yourself, when you can't have an excuse.. specially with THE kind of excuse that is quoted under:
Quote from: ChaNce on January 16, 2009, 09:40:48 pm
"urge of a forum mod"

My opinion on this matter:
Seing what this topic turned into..
At first, only a few rulebreaked, used glitches, etc.. Then some saw it as a opportunity.. They took it, they started to rulebreak, using glitches, getting unfare advantage against other players without hacking.
The victims of the situation above learned to fight back, using the same methods, till then noone had advantage, and started to complaint. People come ingame annoyed and pissed off, and when a new player does something wrong, let's say rulebreak, wether because he doesn't know or just wants to, the veteran players report, screams on the chat.
This new player becomes a veteran in Argonath. thou he is still hated from actions from the past, getting flamed everyday.. and flaming back everyday.
Mafias/Gangs that are enemys hate so much eachother, not only IC, but also OOC, losing to a rival will mean reporting and whining for everything and nothing(Just because you are too damn proud to lose..)
Players don't respect other players, except respecting admins, wether because they want to achieve something greater(it has another name..), because they just like admins or because they are just afraid of correct admin punishment for disrespecting.
Some don't even respect admins and flame admins. Players that respect admins, start to hate these players that flame admins, making these players a constant target for flame, of course, they always fight back(flame wars).
So, if All people have equal voice rights.. It's up to you.. You started ignoring some and listening to others. You started flaming, you flamed back, you couldn't just keep it cool.
Will you keep it? Up to you, because it's like my teachers say: "The pope can come, the president, prime minister, but if a student doesn't want to study, nothing can make him do it."
It's on the hands of players, to get our old and beloved Argonath and friendly players back, not on the hands of the admin team.

- This is not directed to every player in Argonath, if you look in the mirror and notice some of these stated above:
Think about it...

Regards,
Razor.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: hell1989 on January 18, 2009, 03:52:39 am: Good post Razor :D

Yeah, I have a shady past of flaming (Banned 4 times) I have learned to just stay outta main chat for most of my play unless its a topic I care about.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Gildor on January 18, 2009, 10:52:55 am: I don't think all people have equal rights...and it shouldn't be like that, but there are some people who dont deserve it. And Gille, I couldn't give a f**k, you are muted and with the bad reputation, not me.

On topic, i think that some things must change in Argonath, respect to all people being 1.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on January 18, 2009, 06:01:22 pm: Quote from: Gildor on January 18, 2009, 10:52:55 am
I don't think all people have equal rights...and it shouldn't be like that, but there are some people who dont deserve it. And Gille, I couldn't give a f**k, you are muted and with the bad reputation, not me.

On topic, i think that some things must change in Argonath, respect to all people being 1.

I rest my case.......

You may hate someone with your whole heart, but that doesnt mean you cant show them respect. That goes for everyone on here, like a player may hate another player, and theres probroly 100 different enemys to each other on Argonath. You dont like him because he cant RP, or because he flamed you before. It doesnt matter, you show them respect for exisiting, if nothing else.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Watahell on January 19, 2009, 12:41:05 am: Quote from: Matthew_Cipricla on January 18, 2009, 06:01:22 pm
I rest my case.......

You may hate someone with your whole heart, but that doesnt mean you cant show them respect. That goes for everyone on here, like a player may hate another player, and theres probroly 100 different enemys to each other on Argonath. You dont like him because he cant RP, or because he flamed you before. It doesnt matter, you show them respect for exisiting, if nothing else.

I strongly agree.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Gildor on January 19, 2009, 03:45:43 am: Did I say I hated him, Matthew? Hate is a very strong word, I just said that I could not care less that he is going all over the forums saying 'I hate lionz.' :lol:
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: James_Alterlis on January 21, 2009, 01:32:15 pm: "Everyone has equal voice rights, I dont see a problem with this."

No comment at all, one sentece is enough as above

:cop:
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Immortal on January 21, 2009, 01:37:33 pm: Everyone doesnt have voice rights
When u were admin u get asslicked, and when u become non-admin u get disrespected abit

Lock the topic
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: smey on January 21, 2009, 01:48:56 pm: Quote from: *Immortal* on January 21, 2009, 01:37:33 pm
Everyone doesnt have voice rights
When u were admin u get asslicked, and when u become non-admin u get disrespected abit

Lock the topic

Depends for which reason you become non-admin. ;)
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JDC on January 21, 2009, 02:12:33 pm: If you resigned you still get disrespected, although you would be disrespected a little more if you were kicked from the Admins team.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Immortal on January 21, 2009, 02:25:02 pm: I meant the bad ppl
They asslick to punish for non-reasons
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: JDC on January 22, 2009, 09:58:07 am: Let's face it, over half the community are asslickers, I am proud to say that I have never asslicked anyone on Argonath. Really, if you dont believe me, fine, it's your choice.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Merc on January 22, 2009, 12:37:31 pm: Quote from: Gildor on January 18, 2009, 10:52:55 am
I don't think all people have equal rights...and it shouldn't be like that.
On topic, i think that some things must change in Argonath, respect to all people being 1.

One up, Why do you think I tried to do months ago with the Roleplay Guide?

I'm gonna start something new soon, and yes it involves CHANGE
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: hell1989 on January 22, 2009, 02:03:03 pm: What is to asslick? Is it...?

Aragorn (23) has joined the server

Player1: Yo Aragorn! How you doing my guy!
Player2: Sup Aragorn, best admin evar.
Player3:Yo mate, going good?
Player4: Its Aragorn!
Player5:...
Player6:
Player7:
Player23:
Player42:
Player 53

CBFasi (21) has joined the server

Player1:ZOMG, when is RS4 coming? Joke don't ban :D
Player2:Hey CB, I am your favorite SAPD friend, may I beta test?
Player3:..and so on.
Title: Re: [POLL] Do all people have equal voice rights?
Post by: Matthew_Cipricla on January 22, 2009, 10:20:03 pm: Quote from: hell1989 on January 22, 2009, 02:03:03 pm
What is to asslick? Is it...?

Aragorn (23) has joined the server

Player1: Yo Aragorn! How you doing my guy!
Player2: Sup Aragorn, best admin evar.
Player3:Yo mate, going good?
Player4: Its Aragorn!
Player5:...
Player6:
Player7:
Player23:
Player42:
Player 53

CBFasi (21) has joined the server

Player1:ZOMG, when is RS4 coming? Joke don't ban :D
Player2:Hey CB, I am your favorite SAPD friend, may I beta test?
Player3:..and so on.

LOL or lke when they leave half of the server must say goodbye and have a great afternoon or some stuff like that. I dont know if its asslicking but maybe fear of Aragorn, knowing that he can ban you and you cant do anything cause hes the co-owner :conf: