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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Kitsune on March 07, 2009, 08:06:35 am
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In San Andreas speed limits do apply, the limits are:
Unlimited on Highways
80 Km/h in city and town limits (ie Las Venturas, Angel Pine etc)
120 Km/h on all other roads
Although there is a clear specification of what the speed limit is for a particular type of road, there isn't clear understanding on how to classify each road, but I am reffering mainly to highways. I have often asked people their opinions on what they consider a specific road to be and I always get conflicting answers from different people. Some of the roads in question are The Strip, the road between Mullholand and Market running East and West along Los Santos, the road passing the Ammunation through Market and some of the roads through Bone/Flint/Red County. I use Australian roads as my guide, but roads can differ from country to country, so is there a definite way to determine whether a road is a highway or not?
For the sake of clarity, I'll group highways and freeways together as they both have the same speed limits.
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the strip - 80
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The point of this topic is "what is a highway", not "what is the speed on this road", unless you are prepared to highlight on a map, every highway.
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The highways and freeways must be 4 line roads, and if there is no sidewalk next to it.... you can be sure theres no speed limit. At strip there is sidewalk, at Santa Marina Beach - Verona Beach 4 line road... there is sidewalk, and that counts as city road. All other roads outside the cities.. villages, if they are two line roads only, there the speed limit is 120kmh.
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The highways and freeways must be 4 line roads, and if there is no sidewalk next to it.... you can be sure theres no speed limit
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9618/sidewalk1.jpg)
That's a sidewalk, but I'm certain that it's a highway/freeway.
at Santa Marina Beach - Verona Beach 4 line road... there is sidewalk, and that counts as city road.
You're the first person to ever tell me that that is not a highway/freeway.
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I doubt if anyobody using that as sidewalk, but if theres no other exceptions... we can just say, that is the parking/repairing line.. if your car would break down.
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IMO a highway is a road:
- with four lanes
- there are no entrances to buildings from the road (you don't drive into a garage/parking/alley from a highway)
Also they should require:
- clear separation from other streets
- on-ramps rather than junctions to get on and off
The LS Verona/Santa Marina Beach area actually is out of my definition, but I've always thought about that road as a highway since it's hard to get on or off it (no breaks in the road divider on a very long distance).
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This is something that my handbook will contain, colored roads (on/off) that will show what speeds are allowed on certain roads.
When I come to this part tough, I will need some admins and such to point out what road is a highway etc.
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highways are really unknown yes
from AVDS teacher i heard ALL 4 lane roads are highway,
but later i heard that that isnt true,
and personally i have no idea whats a highway or whats not(except for the very clear highways)
lets just make everything with 4 lanes a highway
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lets just make everything with 4 lanes a highway
Every 4 lanes a highway?
Ah.. i don't know, but i like it
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simpel evreything in the city is just 80 also the strip unless its lower or higer from the ground in LS :rofl:
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Grzesiek got the right phrasing, and it must be used in practice.
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so roads as market, verona beach, strip are city roads,
good to know,
but if there is no way to a parking place,
then why is the road at LSAP a highway?
you can get on the big parking space there from the highway
same for east Beach highway,
you can get on parking places and there is a sidewalk
but it definatly looks like a highway
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- there are no entrances to buildings from the road (you don't drive into a garage/parking/alley from a highway)
Aswell as the roads mentioned by Biaconeri, there are other roads that exist which conflict with this such as in Tierra Robada, so that attribute wouldn't be very appropriate, unless you made some adjustments.
- on-ramps rather than junctions to get on and off
Many highways have on/off-ramps on some sections and junctions on others. One example being Verona Beach because coming from LSAP, there are ramps and this is also the case at Flint intersection, but at what point do you determine whether a highway starts and stops if it has conflicting attributes? One option is to make the road with the conflicting attribute also a highway. This would solve the problem with Verona/Santa Marina/East Beach, from Mullholand intersection to Flint Intersection on the North West side of Lost Santos and other such roads, they would all be counted as highways.
- clear separation from other streets
This is quite a vague observation and can be interpreted with significant variation.
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i think some people need to retake there driving lessons XD i can give them :rofl:
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I made a quick thing in paint that shows ALL the San Andreas Highways, hope that made some shit clear.
Link to the image: (( Large Image! )) http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/highways.PNG
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Here's my proposition:
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4489/samphighway1.jpg)
For what is finally decided, I think a map to accompany the explanation would be very helpful, especially to clear up exceptions.
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but if there is no way to a parking place,
then why is the road at LSAP a highway?
you can get on the big parking space there from the highway
You mean the airport parking lot? It's a part of the airport, not a part of the highway.
Aswell as the roads mentioned by Biaconeri, there are other roads that exist which conflict with this such as in Tierra Robada, so that attribute wouldn't be very appropriate, unless you made some adjustments.
Show me a point, where does the Tierra Robada highway have a direct building entrance / alley. Because I see none.
Many highways have on/off-ramps on some sections and junctions on others.
Show me points, where are highway-road junctions. I don't recall any.
One example being Verona Beach because coming from LSAP, there are ramps
That's one of the road that's unclear if it's a highway or not. But I guess it isn't a highway, since the only element it has from highways is the 4 lanes divided by a road divider.
and this is also the case at Flint intersection,
The Flint Intersection has onramps to get on/off the highway from a normal road...
Don't onramps usually connect highways with normal roads?
but at what point do you determine whether a highway starts and stops if it has conflicting attributes?
Again, onramps connect highways with normal roads. I don't see any conflicts in any area?
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/934/gtasahighwaysand4lanero.jpg)
Red: Sure Highways, that rather fit into my definition
Yellow: Roads that don't fit into my definition. They have 4 lanes, but aren't highways.
NOTES:
The north San Fierro bridge should be a highway to the toll booths, further is more of a 4-lane road than a highway.
The Strip, LV is not a highway.
The Market road (with Ammunation) is not a highway.
The Santa Marina/Verona Beach road is more of an express road than a highway.
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the map ghost made is a good one,
although i got 1 possible highway too,
the road from SFPD heading along the coastline to paradiso,
4 lanes big seperated parts of road
outside that i would say: make that map official
:ps: what i see most on map is that highways are a big black line,
with in the middle some grey, the line between both roaddirections,
maybe thats something for the description
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It is easy to see what is a highway or not, a highway got no sidelines, and 4 stripes
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Come again? I understand what you mean by "4 stripes" (4 lanes), but what are sidelines?
Show me a point, where does the Tierra Robada highway have a direct building entrance / alley. Because I see none.
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3507/73988523.jpg)
That white mark in the center (cropped image is just East of Bayside) and my point was not inclusive of only entrances and alleys, it was that entire line you wrote.
Show me points, where are highway-road junctions. I don't recall any.
South end of the Strip, LSAP where you can drive into the carpark, you need to turn onto the smaller road first, along East Beach and also in cases you marked in yellow, had you not excluded them as highways.
The Flint Intersection has onramps to get on/off the highway from a normal road...
Don't onramps usually connect highways with normal roads?
You can ignore that point as at the time I did not exclude two lane roads as highways, but it seems people preffer having highways as such to keep things simplified.
Again, onramps connect highways with normal roads. I don't see any conflicts in any area?
You misinterpreted what I said. I was talking about when a road is connected to a highway through something other then a ramp, such as a junction as shown in some examples I listed two points back.
Given that it is very simple to make a map, the description does not have to be as strict if we just consider exceptions and have everything highlighted in the map, so considering this, some of the conflicts with in the explanation may not be that important. However, modification to the explanation is needed to reduce these exceptions.
the map ghost made is a good one,
although i got 1 possible highway too,
the road from SFPD heading along the coastline to paradiso,
4 lanes big seperated parts of road
I considered that road two, but it seemed different to the rest and I ended up excluding it on the grounds that it did not connect to any other highway, but it could easily be included.
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What about these sections:
1. Road in SF that goes north to south that has tram tracks in the middle and has no center median. Ends at that tram depot
2. Road in SF that has one tram track on each side of road, center median, and runs infront of Otto's Autos.
In real life, cars ARE actually permitted to drive on the tram tracks, but have to pull off when a tram comes.
So does these sections of road count as highways?
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I don't consider those roads highways, except for the portion of the road that runs on the outskirts of San Fierro as Bianconeri mentioned, but I excluded that one. They just don't look the part IMO, too blended with the city, though I can't really think of a decent way to explain it.
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In my view, none of yellow marked roads cannot be highways.
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(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4489/samphighway1.jpg)
Wrong
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/934/gtasahighwaysand4lanero.jpg)
Correct but stil some parts are missing i think i can make a Clearn one soon
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I must agree with Grz's point of view here, his map is more correct in my opinion.
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I agree with Grz more than Kitsune, the Highway issue also relates to how its setup in protection termas against housing, in fact I think most nations do not have housing/properties with access direct to highways,
this is why I agree with Grz more
1. LV strip, direct access by shops
2 SF strip from bridge to cathedral, direct acces by housing
3. LS Beach road, direct housing access
4. LS strip east-west from tmple to lower rodeo, direct housing and shops access
5. LS strip north-south past market ammunation, direct housing and shops access
This is my view, but I will try and get it discussed at higher level if I get chance.
This by chance is the view I have used in game anyway, and is based in RL expererience, since I been driving incident free RL longer than many players have even LIVED!
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i think most players arent old enough to drive a car, im 17 and allowed when 18,
so i got no experience on that
but as CBF said: its based on real,
but well this isnt real life RP,
its just a game so i dont think speedlimits should be put in it so heavy,
you must force players to follow limits(fining) but i think you should have enough highways where players
just can forget the limits
but 1 thing:
this thing should be solved very fast,
a civillian sees a road as highway, cop dont and pull over,
then you get that sort of things
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The thing is, many of the roads that you guys marked have traffic lights every 50 or so meters in city areas...
But, ingame we ignore traffic lights because of sync and other reasons, so I would say those roads should have higher speed limits as you do not need to stop as often. For example, you do not want to be going under 80km/h on the road which goes from LS airport (past the beaches) to Flint County. I normally go around 120km/h along that road anyway.
:ps: The strip is another example of this.
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In my view, none of yellow marked roads cannot be highways.
(-1)x(-1)=1 ;)
But, ingame we ignore traffic lights because of sync and other reasons, so I would say those roads should have higher speed limits as you do not need to stop as often. For example, you do not want to be going under 80km/h on the road which goes from LS airport (past the beaches) to Flint County. I normally go around 120km/h along that road anyway.
:ps: The strip is another example of this.
I agree and in the previous speed limit system we had, this would most likely be the case because the speeds were split into highways (120), freeways (no limit) and other roads (80) as opposed to the current system of city or town roads (80), highway or freeway roads (no limit) and other roads (120). From what I've seen of roads from my IRL, the south west beach roads are highways, but not freeways, though a lot of people are considering highways IG as freeways from IRL as the new speed limit system does not encourage any differentiation between the two, so some of the highways from IRL (of standards from where I'm from) are being discluded. Otherwise it would be mostly due to differing road systems IRL for different people. This isn't Australia though and the main issue here is simply to clear up everything, so I'm less concerned on where you can and can't speed and more concerned on getting everything cleared up as soon as possible, acknowledging Bianconeri's last comment.
This is my view, but I will try and get it discussed at higher level if I get chance.
That would be great, so we could get this resolved quickly.
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As yellow roads are in cities, but they still are like freeways, i suggest to make speed limits there ,as Hess said, 120 km/h
you do not want to be going under 80km/h on the road which goes from LS airport (past the beaches) to Flint County. I normally go around 120km/h along that road anyway.
:ps: The strip is another example of this.
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Lawl, d'u rly care bout speed? :conf:
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If your a cop that cares about doing his or her job properly, a civilian that doesn't want to be unjustly fined or a person who just wants less arguing ingame then you should care.
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i think more people need to hold them selfes to the speed rules not evreyone is just racing around just like Cops and the have to give an Example :trust: