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Title: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on March 11, 2009, 01:23:59 am
I think it might be a good idea to alter the "wages" for the medics. They should be payed each time according to how much they heal. So, when they heal a lot they should get quite a big pay like $100+  and smaller heals should cost less. There shouldn't be a fixed pay each time because this can mean it's unfair for the customer or the medic sometimes.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 11, 2009, 06:14:18 pm
Liking the idea in adding more depth into the Paramedic script
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on March 12, 2009, 12:56:31 am
Thankyou very much Klaus, I just thought it would be a good idea as it adds to the RP.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Rusty on March 12, 2009, 07:39:38 am
In v1.2 Medics get paid 100$ for every Patient they heal.  Though a better Pay System is an option when VC:MP 0.4 is out.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on March 12, 2009, 08:43:14 pm
Oh, I see,
Again Rusty, great work on the new update for Argonath RPG VC:MP.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on March 23, 2009, 03:33:10 pm
I likeing this idea.But,Well really No one look for !Medic cmd and more.Reason being that people tend to Run to the Health icon.In Scripts 1.2 they should have less Health icons.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on March 24, 2009, 08:32:35 pm
I am not too sure about reducing the health icons.
They are all mainly on the first island, in fact, I have barely seen one on the 2nd island.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 24, 2009, 09:59:52 pm
There all placed at hospitals and chemists
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Rusty on March 24, 2009, 10:17:41 pm
There is no HP Icons anymore, only way to refill HP is Medic or respawn.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Leonardo on March 24, 2009, 11:10:38 pm
There is no HP Icons anymore, only way to refill HP is Medic or respawn.

nice job,no HP Icons looks more realistic to me.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Call_me_Dad on March 24, 2009, 11:28:00 pm
There is no HP Icons anymore, only way to refill HP is Medic or respawn.
I like that.
Cop work got easier :P
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on March 25, 2009, 12:29:23 am
Haha, enjoy cop work as it is all a game!
Also, if we had any icons remaining and somehow the medics couldn't heal, the ambulance would come in handy. They could take the patient to a health icon - hospital/chemist/health centre. This would also be quite good RPing.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on March 25, 2009, 12:49:41 pm
Maybe at a dispencinary you can add the comand !heal, it will cost you  $100
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Rusty on March 25, 2009, 03:19:22 pm
No one ever RP's a Medic that is why healing is only available through them.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 25, 2009, 04:48:20 pm
No one ever RP's a Medic
That's because I don't find it fun :neutral:
So tht means you have to take out every other way to gain health?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on March 26, 2009, 12:30:12 am
No one ever RP's a Medic that is why healing is only available through them.
 

True....
Klaus has a point as well, I do try to play different roles from time to time, but for some reason, the medics don't seem to have much demand from citizens.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on March 27, 2009, 04:31:06 am
Lengend Agrees everythnig with Klaus
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Rusty on March 27, 2009, 07:11:24 am
 

True....
Klaus has a point as well, I do try to play different roles from time to time, but for some reason, the medics don't seem to have much demand from citizens.

They will now there is no HP Pickups.   :D
People don't RP a medic cause frankly they don't know how to.
Sure we might get moans of "OMG No hp pickups wtf!!" "This is shit we can't heal!" i done this to force people to use the Medics more.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on March 27, 2009, 03:40:32 pm
Ok,So nw we can start this topic we took out the role of Health Icons.I am still trying to understand this Pay System should be like Payday on SA:MP?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 27, 2009, 05:13:35 pm
They will now there is no HP Pickups.   :D
People don't RP a medic cause frankly they don't know how to.
Sure we might get moans of "OMG No hp pickups wtf!!" "This is shit we can't heal!" i done this to force people to use the Medics more.
Your still not getting my point. Now your saying I don't know how to RP a medic?
Well acturally if I wanted to I would, but frankly I don't find it fun.
You can not force people to RP something they don't want to
Having only one way of gaining HP is stupid. Say only 2 players are in game, one is running from the cops
Oh look, he can't gain HP because there is no medic...
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Kimimaro[BR] on March 27, 2009, 06:30:10 pm
The Heal Icons ruins the cops job , the criminals just get it and the cops must take all theyr HP down again

and without this more players ll play as paramedic and the server ll become funnier and more realistic
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 27, 2009, 06:36:41 pm
The Heal Icons ruins the cops job , the criminals just get it and the cops must take all theyr HP down again
Have you gone mad!? Why cops usually own criminals:
1. Cops have armor
2. Cops have a range of weapons criminals can not get such as M60
3. Criminals are almost always outnumbered, having over half of the server usually being cops
Now think about what you just said, health icons make it harder! How easy do you want it to be? Is it you just want criminals to stand there and let you kill them? Health icons are open to cops as well and believe me they use them to.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Kimimaro[BR] on March 27, 2009, 07:53:19 pm
Have you gone mad!? Why cops usually own criminals:
1. Cops have armor
2. Cops have a range of weapons criminals can not get such as M60
3. Criminals are almost always outnumbered, having over half of the server usually being cops
Now think about what you just said, health icons make it harder! How easy do you want it to be? Is it you just want criminals to stand there and let you kill them? Health icons are open to cops as well and believe me they use them to.

The real problem isnt how it make the game hard or easy, Im saying that It would be more realistic if the criminals must find a paramedic to heal them ,not simply get a magic pink ball and look hes healed
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 27, 2009, 07:55:04 pm
The real problem isnt how it make the game hard or easy, Im saying that It would be more realistic if the criminals must find a paramedic to heal them ,not simply get a magic pink ball and look hes healed
If you haven't noticed yet, this is Vice City. Not RL
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Kimimaro[BR] on March 27, 2009, 08:02:15 pm
If you 't noticed yet, this is  City. Not RL

lol I know but it ll be better if the paramedics have some work to do
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Call_me_Dad on March 27, 2009, 08:04:54 pm
Why not make the HP pickups cost some money
Say a bit Expensive than Medic heal.
It wont be overused then.

Or maybe create a different pickup, which displays a Message : "type !heal to restore your HP , Cost: xxx ", so new players wont get robbed by picking HP

I think a 5 second freeze on HP pickup would be fair for cops (or even criminals)
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on March 27, 2009, 08:09:23 pm
If you haven't noticed yet, this is Vice City. Not RL
It's Vice City yes, but we are RPing, we ACT like in RL, I agree with Kimimaro, If it's Possible to reduce health icons, then it increases RP, and RP is what I want
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on March 27, 2009, 08:26:44 pm
It is easier to do this some places have Hp icons only 2/3 places ok but klaus,you have to understand you would have a other chance to make money.For example :We al know solid love to be a medic but he does not get money cause every one runs to a icon and he does not get no money.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on March 28, 2009, 07:07:02 pm
Lengend Agrees everythnig with Klaus


Oh Really?
I could say that davron doesn't agree with anything Klaus says!  :D

Plus, Rusty, what if there are not enough people on (as this can be the case a lot of the time)?
We can't force them to RP a medic and this won't be possible if there are too few numbers of people on.
We could make it so that there is one health icon that is available for money?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 28, 2009, 07:39:54 pm
Plus, Rusty, what if there are not enough people on (as this can be the case a lot of the time)?
We can't force them to RP a medic and this won't be possible if there are too few numbers of people on.
We could make it so that there is one health icon that is available for money?
This brings back my point Legend
Having only one way of gaining HP is stupid. Say only 2 players are in game, one is running from the cops
Oh look, he can't gain HP because there is no medic...
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on March 28, 2009, 07:50:51 pm
Well, Isn't it possible to have health icons when there are 3 or less players ingame, but when the fourth enters... They will be removed and the Medic System kicks in
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 28, 2009, 08:00:33 pm
Well, Isn't it possible to have health icons when there are 3 or less players ingame, but when the fourth enters... They will be removed and the Medic System kicks in
Again your trying to 'force' somebody in the server to become a Medic.
It's Vice City yes, but we are RPing, we ACT like in RL,
You just said it yourself, We act 'like' in RL. Why? Because its still a 'game'. Having it exactly like RL would be boring
Argonath is not a 'zomg RL RPG'
If you haven't noticed there was a huge argument over this in the News..
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on March 28, 2009, 09:00:05 pm
Again your trying to 'force' somebody in the server to become a Medic. You just said it yourself, We act 'like' in RL. Why? Because its still a 'game'. Having it exactly like RL would be boring
Argonath is not a 'zomg RL RPG'
If you haven't noticed there was a huge argument over this in the News..
Well, If you say so..

No more comments.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Romeo on March 28, 2009, 09:26:22 pm
Yeah klaus has a very valid point. Removing ALL health options apart from medic makes less RP, as criminals cannot heal without a Medic, so more people will not commit crimes, And no... dont say things like "ARPD will have an easier job then" Because the players who do not wish to play a Cop, and wish to play a Criminal, will feel it is unfair on them. I say make atleast one way of healing apart from medic, even if there is a Time-Delay on it, so that they cannot just automatically heal... Which would be irritating for cops. even though cops have a large advantage over the Criminals anyway...
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on March 29, 2009, 04:55:51 am
Yeah klaus has a very valid point. Removing ALL health options apart from medic makes less RP, as criminals cannot heal without a Medic, so more people will not commit crimes, And no... dont say things like "ARPD will have an easier job then" Because the players who do not wish to play a Cop, and wish to play a Criminal, will feel it is unfair on them. I say make atleast one way of healing apart from medic, even if there is a Time-Delay on it, so that they cannot just automatically heal... Which would be irritating for cops. even though cops have a large advantage over the Criminals anyway...
Romeo i think they should not take all out. but have less of them
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on March 29, 2009, 02:26:39 pm
This brings back my point Legend


Yes, we can't leave this unheard....
Also, if a criminal wishes to heal, seeking the aid of a medic, sometimes if they are wanted, the medics tend to lock their vehicle and drop them off at the nearest police station. I have noticed that medics are very law abiding, after all, they are part of the emergency services.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Kimimaro[BR] on March 31, 2009, 02:08:09 am
We should let only one medic icon that cost money to heal ( 4 example 100$) when a medic heal should cost 50$ and when the player is being healed the comands should be revoked for maybe 2 or 3 seconds
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 31, 2009, 11:33:41 am
Anything else you want to add? Seriously Kim start thinking from a wide perspective and NOT just from a cops point of veiw. So a criminal is running from the cops having 70% of the server being cops. He needs health. So he goes to pick up the health, which is only placed in 1 place in the whole of VC! Finaly he makes it just, but wait! he now has to pay 100$. Oh ok but theres more! He has to be frozen for about 5 seconds. All this so money hungry cops can always win their nub m60s...
We hardly have criminals in the server, and then theres you wanting to make it more biest towards cops!...
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on March 31, 2009, 12:53:33 pm
Anything else you want to add? Seriously Kim start thinking from a wide perspective and NOT just from a cops point of veiw. So a criminal is running from the cops having 70% of the server being cops. He needs health. So he goes to pick up the health, which is only placed in 1 place in the whole of VC! Finaly he makes it just, but wait! he now has to pay 100$. Oh ok but theres more! He has to be frozen for about 5 seconds. All this so money hungry cops can always win their nub m60s...
We hardly have criminals in the server, and then theres you wanting to make it more biest towards cops!...
Criminals shouldn't be able to get health at all in my point of view, i don't think a hospital would help a criminal against the cops. The criminal should PREPARE himself before he does a crime, Maybe add the possibility to buy Armor for example?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on March 31, 2009, 02:24:51 pm
Ok klaus made a nice point now i agree with him.But klaus what are you going to do about the Medics.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 31, 2009, 05:03:25 pm
Criminals shouldn't be able to get health at all in my point of view
twit..
start thinking from a wide perspective and NOT just from a cops point of veiw.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on March 31, 2009, 05:06:59 pm
The criminal should PREPARE himself before he does a crime, Maybe add the possibility to buy Armor for example?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 31, 2009, 05:13:07 pm
Prepare with what?
1. Drugs will no longer give you health
2. Food or drink will no longer give you health
These are ways that work now, but you want to take them out?
Health pickups are what make VC, you can't take them out
keep in mind, VCMP is not here for zomg realism, its for fun RP
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on March 31, 2009, 05:32:12 pm
for me it is zomg realism, anyways, some prepare points :

1 : Call friends on msn to help you,
2 : Get much strong weapons
3 : make an escape PLAN

etc.

And also there still exist something like a "crash", when you respawn you'll get the 100 HP again and can get a resus when ready
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on March 31, 2009, 05:38:31 pm
for me it is zomg realism
Don't play here then, because hardly anyone else thinks that here
Go play with somewhere else with your 'zomgRP'. Because we don't approve that
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on March 31, 2009, 05:42:24 pm
actually i don't know what the Z in zomg is, so did i say something worse :S?

Anyways, i guess everybody in argonath likes a realistic game.

I wont post more about it here, e should better PM instead of spamming this topic with it
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Call_me_Dad on March 31, 2009, 08:32:50 pm
The only reason i dont like HP pickups is that they become the favorite camping place for criminals
start thinking from a wide perspective
if we start thinking from a wider perspective than cops and criminals, we reach abusers and rule-breakers
They can easily abuse those pickups

A question for scripters... Is it possible to script HP pickups respawn delay different from respawn delay of other pick ups?

 :ps: Argonath is only about fun . The method of having fun varies from person to person.
but forcing your method of fun on others is not supported.
You can have fun in any way that seems best to you (be it "zomg realism"). Only the rules need to be followed (which are very few to ensure open gameplay)
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 01, 2009, 12:18:10 am
The only reason i dont like HP pickups is that they become the favorite camping place for criminalsif we start thinking from a wider perspective than cops and criminals, we reach abusers and rule-breakers
They can easily abuse those pickups
Rulebreakers are dealt with if abused. We deal with it now don't we? Yes we do well done. So why will it be any different from now? I was talking about perspective in roles of RP. A lot of people just think in a cops point of view and put in ideas over and over on how to make it easier to catch criminals and make the server more bias towards Criminals. You must admit daddy, more than half the server are ARPD now, and the server lacks criminal roleplay, why? Look above.
Someone camping? Deal with it, I'm sure you can daddy with you nubm60 ;)
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on April 01, 2009, 01:27:29 am
But klaus people wound want to be smart and Say that is not part of a rule
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Kimimaro[BR] on April 02, 2009, 10:23:51 pm
In one thing I agree with Klaus, without criminals the server ll become VEEEERY BORING
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Rusty on April 03, 2009, 07:31:15 am
In one thing I agree with Klaus, without criminals the server ll become VEEEERY BORING

Think you need to go read what Roleplay actually is then mate...

The only reason i dont like HP pickups is that they become the favorite camping place for criminalsif we start thinking from a wider perspective than cops and criminals, we reach abusers and rule-breakers
They can easily abuse those pickups

A question for scripters... Is it possible to script HP pickups respawn delay different from respawn delay of other pick ups?

 :ps: Argonath is only about fun . The method of having fun varies from person to person.
but forcing your method of fun on others is not supported.
You can have fun in any way that seems best to you (be it "zomg realism"). Only the rules need to be followed (which are very few to ensure open gameplay)


Yes a timer can be placed to delay the Pickup respawn time, i'd say Delay should be atleast 3 Minutes.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Kimimaro[BR] on April 04, 2009, 02:04:16 am
T=  Argonath is only about fun . The method of having fun varies from person to person.
but forcing your method of fun on others is not supported.
You can have fun in any way that seems best to you (be it "zomg realism"). Only the rules need to be followed (which are very few to ensure open gameplay)

lol who said I am forcing my method of fun on others? Im not forcing anybody to have fun like me. It was just my opinion.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Call_me_Dad on April 04, 2009, 01:35:03 pm
Yes a timer can be placed to delay the Pickup respawn time, i'd say Delay should be atleast 3 Minutes.
Yes, but the timer will delay respawn for all pickups, including the menu pickups in bars/restraunts
I was talking about different delay for different pickups.(to distinguish between HP pickup and other pickups)

Example: Food-menu-pickups respawn after 3 seconds, but hp-pickups respawn after 2 minutes....is it possible to script?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 04, 2009, 01:42:29 pm
If your frozen then it shouldn't cost money
Either 1 or the other, not both
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 04, 2009, 01:46:10 pm
If your frozen then it shouldn't cost money
Either 1 or the other, not both
I prefer the freeze method without paying
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on April 04, 2009, 02:14:33 pm
Think you need to go read what Roleplay actually is then mate...

Yes a timer can be placed to delay the Pickup respawn time, i'd say Delay should be atleast 3 Minutes.
Rusty has made a point.Please do not say that how i can run from the cops if i can't move when heal.Easy,That would tell you to do not Get wanted be your self and get someone to aid you.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 04, 2009, 07:25:27 pm
Wow, this topic has gone a long way..
Fair points, but if you really want "realism" then we will just have to have the "health menus" that can revive more health with a time delay. There still needs to be a job for the medics, if we are going to have them at all.

 :ps: Just for the count, "ZOMG" is a variant for "OMG". Apparently, it started off as a typing error with someone adding the "Z" by accident. Then it derived form that. Now it is used to state something obvious or sarcastic. Used to stretch the "Oh My God".
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Kimimaro[BR] on April 05, 2009, 03:12:56 am
I prefer the freeze method without paying

one problem : when the player is frozen , the cop can kill him/her easily. It shouldnt be good.
I think it should cost more than a medic healing and it should have only one Heal PU in the server (hospital next washington mall maybe), so the players must go there and pay more money or call a medic
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 05, 2009, 10:35:13 am
one problem : when the player is frozen , the cop can kill him/her easily. It shouldnt be good.
I think it should cost more than a medic healing and it should have only one Heal PU in the server (hospital next washington mall maybe), so the players must go there and pay more money or call a medic
The criminal should be fast then, first escape and then quickly heal. But i still think the freeze method is better
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 05, 2009, 10:05:08 pm
The criminal should be fast then, first escape and then quickly heal. But i still think the freeze method is better
Rusty says the delay should be 3 mins, it takes less than that to get from 1 side of VC to the next!
And having the majority of the server cops, its going to impossible to be that fast, don't you agree?
30 seconds is well enough time to give a more advantage for the cops...
one problem : when the player is frozen , the cop can kill him/her easily. It shouldnt be good.
Exactly! But can't you see? This is what salmonella wants; maybe because he can't already kill a criminal due to his lack of skill?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 05, 2009, 10:08:06 pm
Rusty says the delay should be 3 mins, it takes less than that to get from 1 side of VC to the next!
And having the majority of the server cops, its going to impossible to be that fast, don't you agree?
30 seconds is well enough time to give a more advantage for the cops...Exactly! But can't you see? This is what salmonella wants; maybe because he can't already kill a criminal due to his lack of skill?

Pff! Are you saying i got no skills? and i don't agree with 3 minutes, it should be 3 seconds...
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 05, 2009, 10:18:40 pm
Pff! Are you saying i got no skills?
Just a question, wasn't implying that at all :roll:
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 05, 2009, 10:20:49 pm
This is what salmonella wants; maybe because he can't already kill a criminal due to his lack of skill?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 05, 2009, 10:23:26 pm
This is what salmonella wants; maybe because he can't already kill a criminal due to his lack of skill?
A question, you see ;)
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 06, 2009, 12:15:46 am
Exactly! But can't you see? This is what salmonella wants; maybe because he can't already kill a criminal due to his lack of skill?

Yellow = question,

Red isn't a question

Or am i seeing that wrong?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 06, 2009, 03:25:49 am
I don't think you understand what <;> means..
The whole thing is a question slamonella, with a bit of sarcasm ofc
If you read it, I'm questioning if you can't already kill a criminal due to lack of your skill...
But I guess it went over your head; possibly due to the lack of brain power?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 06, 2009, 12:24:16 pm
Since you're VC:MP Leader, I think you shouldn't disrespect me like this, Since the rules say : Respect other players, I know what i'm saying, i guess you don't know what you're saying,

I wish not to get disrespected like this

I got one request :

could you stop using your "sarcasm" on me? I don't find it funny, earlier the opposite.

Thanks

Greetz Salmonella

not Slamonella
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Dexter on April 06, 2009, 03:44:32 pm
Well my opinion is that we should have Health pickups with 5 seconds delay. That because i don't like idea of *forcing* players to get medics. Players should have freedom to to choose will they use health pick ups or not. And cops really can get criminals easy with their guns. But this is not just about cops and criminals. Imagine IF there is moments when all are just citizens and someone as medic. So what would you do if you have low hp? Call medic and pay to get full hp or go to health pickup (which should cost actually about 100). For better role play i would call medic. Having more possibilities is fun in my opinion. Well with payment, 5 seconds delay should not be there. This is opinion question. Someone like to do it his way and someone else other way. So that's why we should let them choose and not removing all health pickups. And about first post what was about that medics should have morey depens how much they must heal sounds good but as Rusty said that should come with 0.4.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 06, 2009, 07:55:29 pm
Thanks everyone!
Wow, Salmonella and Klaus!  :D

Yea, having long frozen delays won't work at all. You can kill someone in a matter of seconds. Think about it, the criminal heals then in the meantime he has a whole load of cops shooting at him, then he is unfrozen and is back to the health that he was on before, if he manages to survive that long in the first place! Pointless :lol: !
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on April 06, 2009, 08:19:17 pm
Well really What happens in SAMP i do not really know but don't they Get alot of money from Medic i woundrr how?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 06, 2009, 08:23:23 pm
I think the best solution is Removing all Icons or don't change anything...
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 06, 2009, 09:45:59 pm
don't change anything...
That would be the much better solution than removing them all
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 06, 2009, 11:15:18 pm
That would be the much better solution than removing them all
It's just what you like, "zomg realism" or "fair playing ( Criminal vs Police thingy )"
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 07, 2009, 02:52:39 pm
At the end of the day, we have to to find a balance.
This balance is tipping the wrong way at the moment. We should have medics and health icons, like now, but the health icons are only available for a price and can only be found at one major hospital in Vice City. The time delay...well, the freeze may not work for such a duration but if we can do like 1 minute time delay between each use, it might just about work.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 07, 2009, 03:29:54 pm
1 minute is a way too much as allready described in this topic
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 07, 2009, 05:14:45 pm
Reason for freeze is just to stop abuse. Like hanging around the hospital picking up the health icon over and over. It can also stop you picking one up in the middle of a chase with a cop up your backside. So the most you would need is 5 seconds Legend


Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 07, 2009, 06:03:06 pm
Reason for freeze is just to stop abuse. Like hanging around the hospital picking up the health icon over and over. It can also stop you picking one up in the middle of a chase with a cop up your backside. So the most you would need is 5 seconds Legend



I agree with the 5 seconds, but i don't agree with paying for it, that should be unfair for the Criminals, Cops automaticly have Armor ( idk why also ), They don't have to pay, so Criminals also shouldn't
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Dexter on April 07, 2009, 08:35:32 pm
I agree with the 5 seconds, but i don't agree with paying for it, that should be unfair for the Criminals, Cops automaticly have Armor ( idk why also ), They don't have to pay, so Criminals also shouldn't

Well why should cops pay for armor? That is part of their work clothes againts dangerous criminals. And criminals as citizens in real life pay for get healed by doctors.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 07, 2009, 09:13:43 pm
Well why should cops pay for armor? That is part of their work clothes againts dangerous criminals. And criminals as citizens in real life pay for get healed by doctors.
I am not saying that though, But it still is like 200 HP vs 100 HP, So i think the Criminal shouldn't have to pay for health costs ( icon ), only a freeze
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 07, 2009, 11:24:54 pm
I am not saying that though, But it still is like 200 HP vs 100 HP, So i think the Criminal shouldn't have to pay for health costs ( icon ), only a freeze
You are right on your point. But why was the pay idea but forward? Because apparently it will make more people use Medics. The same reason why the idea of removing all health icons came across, which I hope all of you now know that that is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 08, 2009, 12:16:13 pm
The same reason why the idea of removing all health icons came across, which I hope all of you now know that that is a bad idea.
That again YOUR Opinion, everyone has another one
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 08, 2009, 02:52:33 pm
Oh no, by the "1 minute delay" I didn't mean the player freezes. That would be outrageous, lol! I meant the icon is out of use to prevent guys camping. And about pay...that's fair enough. If there is going to be a medic, we will have to make a charge for the medic but then if there is a free alternative (the health icons), people will just go for that, rather than the medics, making the medic's job pointless.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 08, 2009, 03:09:36 pm
I still think you shouldn't have to pay for it, I was more thinking about the respawn lenght, i think a delay of 15 minutes would be fair, So Medics have also a big chance
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 08, 2009, 05:44:09 pm
That again YOUR Opinion, everyone has another one
It is my opinion, but not everyone has another. I know for a fact tht it is a bad idea. Dexter and Solidje agree. Oh look all three community leaders thnk its a bad idea. Who knows more, us who have been at the server for a very long time, or you who has come over from SAMP like a few months ago.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Kessu on April 08, 2009, 07:14:02 pm
IMO removing EVERY SINGLE HP icon would be good, becuase you just simply CANNOT get health from middle of street, or am I wrong?
It would raise the use of medics, which would bring more RP (hopefully).

Biggest minus is, that I don't know other way to get health, just paramedic, and that would suck too.

Cop vs. Criminal case:

Why don't you just put Armour to stores? Then criminal would be able to buy it and use it = "200hp vs 200hp"

And btw: Stop fighting guys (hopefully these two knows who I mean), it doesn't help you at all.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on April 08, 2009, 07:22:06 pm
Look we can tak out the Hp icons for a little While and when the Server Restart Put it back in if any problems Are made.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Kessu on April 08, 2009, 07:24:16 pm
Look we can tak out the Hp icons for a little While and when the Server Restart Put it back in if any problems Are made.
So only ONE can take hp icon? That is even worse than camping in it :D
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on April 08, 2009, 07:27:33 pm
I do not understand.Please can you help me?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 09, 2009, 10:51:35 am
Yes, we should pay the medics, as it's their job....
And about health being found on streets....well I guess it is there to simulate a hospital as health icons are only available outside hospitals or health clinics.
The health icons should be free but rare with time delay between each use of the icon.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 09, 2009, 12:41:12 pm
IMO removing EVERY SINGLE HP icon would be good, becuase you just simply CANNOT get health from middle of street, or am I wrong?
It would raise the use of medics, which would bring more RP (hopefully).
Finally someone Agreed with me :D ,
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 09, 2009, 02:41:53 pm
I agree, but what about hospitals?
Shouldn't we have them as well?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 09, 2009, 03:31:03 pm
I agree, but what about hospitals?
Shouldn't we have them as well?
Only use them for Medic spawn?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 09, 2009, 04:37:10 pm
IMO removing EVERY SINGLE HP icon would be good, becuase you just simply CANNOT get health from middle of street, or am I wrong?
Since when do we have health icons in the middle of the street? And since when did we we say they were going to be in the middle of the street? Where did you get middle of the street from?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Rusty on April 09, 2009, 08:01:02 pm
Icons added at Hospitals... Costs $600 to Heal though by going to a Medic it only costs $50... for full heal.  Am sure price will bring some arguments.    :D
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 09, 2009, 08:21:42 pm
Icons added at Hospitals... Costs $600 to Heal though by going to a Medic it only costs $50... for full heal.  Am sure price will bring some arguments.    :D
Well, Thanks for the information atleast :) .
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on April 10, 2009, 01:07:36 am
Icons added at Hospitals... Costs $600 to Heal though by going to a Medic it only costs $50... for full heal.  Am sure price will bring some arguments.    :D
I think Rusty is on to something.Im SAMP how do you heal not Drinks medics and other thing.Why can't VCMP be like that
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 14, 2009, 11:25:25 am
Yea, the hospitals should be used as the medic spawn...
And $600 to heal?  This may be the only way to get people to use the medic skin, but yea, I see many arguments raging.....  :(
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 14, 2009, 06:05:51 pm
Costs $600 to Heal
:eek:
Why can't VC have free health care :D
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 14, 2009, 06:17:33 pm
:eek:
Why can't VC have free health care :D
Maybe to force ppl to use the Medic Health Care, i dunno, But i agree : It should be free.

Anyways, Decisions sadly already taken i think  :roll:
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Rusty on April 14, 2009, 06:23:30 pm
You want HP pickups you have to spend 600$ to heal from them or you can simply but Food eta it and Gain 15HP a time or find a Medic and pay 100$ for full HP.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 14, 2009, 06:28:07 pm
Will drugs still give you health?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 14, 2009, 06:37:43 pm
Will drugs still give you health?
They did ? :conf:
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 14, 2009, 06:52:36 pm
They did ? :conf:
Yeah, all I know is weed gives you 10hp and LSD gives you 70hp :)
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Rusty on April 14, 2009, 06:53:02 pm
Will drugs still give you health?

Yes, but not as much as before
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 16, 2009, 05:36:57 pm
Yes, drugs gave some HP, I think it is the same amount as how much each drug costs.
This is probably the only way to get people to use the medic skin.
This would mean that the medics become more popular and there is no need to change the pay for them (unless people just keep using /kill to respawn each time they are low on HP  :().
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on April 20, 2009, 05:55:17 am
But really.600?Don't you think that is a bit much. :redface: I think that it should be,erm. . .500?Since police kill and get 500. :redface:
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Rusty on April 20, 2009, 07:30:37 am
But really.600?Don't you think that is a bit much. :redface: I think that it should be,erm. . .500?Since police kill and get 500. :redface:

600$ seems appropriate mind you it could change...
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on April 21, 2009, 02:52:12 am
yea there a kinda a bug like.Erm i really do not want to say it on the forums.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 21, 2009, 11:05:42 am
PM me or Dexter then if it's that secretive.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 21, 2009, 09:31:46 pm
Well a cop's pay can vary...
And davron, where you looking for something a little less expensive? I see what you mean about the $600, but as Rusty has said; "it is not set in stone". We may see a change.
Also, I think to encourage people to use the medic skin, their pay should be higher, maybe $100.
At the moment, money hungry cops can get a M60 out and just spray all the !wanted. Where as, in some situations, the medic's job is more challenging.
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 21, 2009, 09:36:30 pm
At the moment, money hungry cops can get a M60 out and just spray all the !wanted.
Tell me about it..
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 21, 2009, 09:42:34 pm
Tell me about it..


 :(
Just too bad....
Technically, they are not breaking any set rules, they should still try to RP all the same.
Note: Argonath RPG   :razz:
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 21, 2009, 09:53:24 pm
Technically, they are not breaking any set rules, they should still try to RP all the same.
Yes you are right, although I advice people to not use the m60. But really I have no power over their decision of what gun to use lol.
But seriously. The m60 requires no skill and no accuracy. Extremely over powerful having 1 shot takes 75% health away, firing rapidly can kill a moving target so easily you could do it with your eyes closed.The power is very much like drive by. So no wonder whys its the perfect weapon for a money hungry cop..
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 21, 2009, 09:58:55 pm
Yes you are right, although I advice people to not use the m60. But really I have no power over their decision of what gun to use lol.
But seriously. The m60 requires no skill and no accuracy. Extremely over powerful having 1 shot takes 75% health away, firing rapidly can kill a moving target so easily you could do it with your eyes closed.The power is very much like drive by. So no wonder whys its the perfect weapon for a money hungry cop..
Actually it's 25/30% HP Away. Well my favorite weapon still stays M60. My shooting skills suck, some ppl now. But the power of M60 isn't that strong as you describe, it's near though, but a moving player is hard to hit, aiming with M60 is hard ( for me atleast ) .
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 21, 2009, 11:24:21 pm
m60 is the easiest to aim with. If your finding it hard, don't use it; go for the shotgun.
class 3
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 22, 2009, 12:26:41 pm
Yes, thats much more comfortable
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 22, 2009, 07:29:24 pm
Yes, thats much more comfortable
The shotgun is the best weapon if mastered. Ask any of our best fighters; Deathkiss, Jingle etc. They
will tell you stubby is the best. The more you use it the better you get, also remember to run around a lot and
use the jump while in close combat. All this will help you become better at fighting :)
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Salmonella on April 22, 2009, 08:32:43 pm
The shotgun is the best weapon if mastered. Ask any of our best fighters; Deathkiss, Jingle etc. They
will tell you stubby is the best. The more you use it the better you get, also remember to run around a lot and
use the jump while in close combat. All this will help you become better at fighting :)
I guess i should thanks you for the Tip

Thanks :D
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 26, 2009, 03:53:00 pm
Yes, the shotgun is certainly very powerful. It's more poweful than the M60. The M60 wins because it is automatic and it's speed.....let's leave it there...

 :ps: Changed your forum name,Klaus?
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Klaus on April 26, 2009, 07:35:32 pm
Yes I'm in the LOTR team
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Fabio on April 27, 2009, 11:12:08 pm
Yes I'm in the LOTR team

How should I say it, its a very "cool" name. ^^
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: Davron on April 28, 2009, 04:10:10 am
Yes, the shotgun is certainly very powerful. It's more poweful than the M60. The M60 wins because it is automatic and it's speed.....let's leave it there...

 :ps: Changed your forum name,Klaus?
Shot gun is not strong at all.The amo is as much as a Uzi of a M4 Between that.All the advantage is that if all the bullets hit you that will do some damage.M60 is the strongest.

 :ps:
Sounds nice i am Talk to you about that group.
Yes I'm in the LOTR team
Title: Re: Pay System For Medics
Post by: ~Legend~ on May 05, 2009, 09:50:29 pm
Actually, davron, M60's speed is what wins it, although it is quite strong. The shot gun is powerful though.

 :ps: And LOTR? Awesome, Klaus!  :D
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