Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: hell1989 on March 27, 2009, 05:04:19 am
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I ask because that would be completely unfair, I mean only way would be from Swat truck right?
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Dont remember, But FBI/SWAT(And i think like Captain and higher rank) Can use the /weaponequip to get armour.
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I ask because that would be completely unfair, I mean only way would be from Swat truck right?
That's fair..
Not everything should be balanced.
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Well, you can go and buy one
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Only SWAT, FBI (not sure if it's rank restricted in FBI) and Highranked police (Capt and above) can get free Armour if i remember correct. Regular cops cannot. Armour from SWAT truck gets auto removed by script if anyone enters it in attempt to get a free one..
The SAPD Staff have guidelines when to issue to others if that would be needed. (i doubt it will..) and when to issue to them self. It will be used careful and any kind of "abuse" of it will be punished..
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How about this little fact.
In the Uk a large portion of the police force is issued with body armour due to CRIMINALS having guns and knives, both of which most the police DO NOT HAVE. want fair, try REAL LIFE !! cos in RL it is FAR from fair.
Do RL criminals get given armour.... , those that can afford it buy it, although yes its black market sales.
I do not expect general patrols to be carried out in issued armour, however if criminals start to form up in large grops and appear to be threatening a recall will be issued and cops WILL get issued armour, and maybe even heavy weaponary..
Its all down to criminals.. RL and in game !
SWAT when on formal patrol are the only team likely to be commonly seen in armour.
And if you really worried, the issue of all weaponary and armour is totally logged so I can monitor for abuse. Ths was set up right at the start in case.
Issuing of heavy weapons and armour is restricted and yes can be issued to any cop but the people that can issue it are restricted.
As Pancher said the SWAT truck will not auto give armour.
(and yes your complaint was expected, like usual OMG cops get something for free... its so unfair, oh I cant kill you easily anymore)
To give an idea, any patrols in SF are likely to be required to be in ARMOUR due to actions of a mafia openly targeting cops, so go and blame your buddies !!
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To give an idea, any patrols in SF are likely to be required to be in ARMOUR due to actions of a mafia openly targeting cops, so go and blame your buddies !!
:lol:
It's a dangerous world out there, but i couldn't give a damn if cops are issued free armour of not, it's one of the perks of being a Cop i guess.
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Police is financed by goverment, so I do not see any reasons why it should cost anything for police officers.
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Hmm ok..but at least lower armor in-game a little..$5000 is a bit extreme! In RS2 scripts we had free armor and $200 armor haha.
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he can lower it 4999 just for you hell :lol:
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I think its good armor is so expensive. Because if it is not everybody gonna run whit armor. And after dead they will return whit armor. Here in belgium every police officer have armour its in the basic equipment. I find that cops must have free armor payed by gouvernement. Whats now the advantage to be a cop... We loose more money then we win. We must pay the fuel of patrolling ur guns and now armor to?? Normaly i find that our guns must be paid by gouvernement its normal taht we dont pay the criminals... So i think all SAPD officers must drive whit armor... I saw alote of servers where all officers have free armor free TEC 9.. And no freecops at all you need to play 1 month on the server to apply for cop and then maybe you can be a cop... So i think dont do to much balance between cops and criminals.
Why always FBi and SWAT have more advantage?? Free cops cant drive an FBI rancher or an SWAT vehicule but why they can drive sapd cars?? If freecops are allowd to drive SAPD cars their are allowd to to drive FBI ranchers. Why only FBI and swat have free armor?? Why you cant be a criminal in FBI and swat but you can in SAPD... SAPD must always allows everything but swat and fbi can make the rules they want... I want that freecops drive in a buggy or their own vehicule freecops are not part of ARPD so they don touch our patrol cars!!!
Yes we ware free cops to... But if you realy wonna drive cruisers well aplly for
ARPD and you will be allowd to drive... So their will be more differance between free cops and officers...
Its normal that everybody starts low ranked... So why dont put buggy's for freecops... In real life you dont enter an pd and tehn you exit and you take immidiatly an sapd cruiser... So i think frecops must have less possibility's to have more differance between free cops and sapd... Or we make some sapd cars for freecops at dillimore and lspd cars ares restricted only for officers..
PS: By the way i dont blame CBF thanks CBF for the nice scripts R is amizing good... I konow CB do this only because all crminals blame in this server.. Criminals cry always well dont be a criminal then... Their is not 1 RP server where you can be cop immidiatly and cops have free armor and guns in every RP server and criminals dont blame their... I aim happy to that sprunk is dissabled so people will enter more shops to eat or more medicx possibilty's
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I support that armour is expensive. I would agree with even higher price, as armour should be rare, expensive thing, as not everyone should afford it.
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Maybe only ARPD swat and FBI members can use /usegate to prevent that we find alote of cars or alote of cruisers dissapeard... Or when they use an Cruiser you see like FBI and SWAT Only for arpd members..
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hmmm...in fact , i think SWAT/FBI should have free Armour.
In real life, SWAT AND FBI are some elite team, and when criminal saw them they will OMFG ! SWAT! Let's run!.ÂÂÂ
The swat and fbi will only do some extermly dangerous cases, so the criminals are always armed . And as the gov , they will provide them a free Armour.
Also, in RS4, Criminal take advantages on buying guns. Criminal can share the price of the gun , we tried it before, about 1-2 k, u are very armed. I Am talking about Extremely ARMED.
:ps: i will rp criminal all the time in rs4, and i am not a part of FBI/swat , so i am not saying to get some advantages.
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Point is guys it is NOT as one sided as you think !
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I would prefer only armour on high ranked suspects..
:cop:
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You mean bigass gangsters and mobsters?
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I prefer only armor on hackers. :rofl:
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You mean bigass gangsters and mobsters?
;)
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Cops Irl Always get Armour :rofl: But the do not always wear it and the do not always have it with them so If you want a Real Live argonath then Evreycop wil get Armour Even cadets :rofl:
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I prefer only armor on hackers. :rofl:
Yes, why even have armor at all? :P
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Maybe because COPS keep getting killed by criminals with sawnoffs, ak47, rifles, tec9s, micro-smg, and yet those same people KILLING the cops then moan that cops should not be using the mico-smg but ONLY the desert eagles they are equiped with..
AND YES I LISTENED TO ALL THAT MOANING AS COPS WILL NO LONGER GET THE MICRO SMG.
I do know that MOST criminals will just find something else to moan about so just go ...................
So to be able to give COPS a better chance they will have chance to get equipped IF command staff believe they are at threat..
SWAT and FBI are an exception and they by defination have different equipment availability.
You want fair... well you wont find that in real world.... I seen enough to know there is no such thing as fair, cos that fairness is a personal viewpoint and everyone sees 'fairness' differently...
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indeed it isnt fair IRL also, the enemies will always try to out-power the others,
same as here, cops want to get above suspects, and suspects above cops
suspects got a big advantage:
-unsuspecting
-not as much rules as the cops got
cops advantage:
-free guns, but not strong guns although deagle is very very strong in good hands
as CBF said: criminals always try to find something to moan against, like the cops got advantage all the time
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I would agree with even higher price
Even higher?
5k is a very, very high amount, but I suppose if you want to arm your team its gonna cost you half the price of a house to do it. ;)
Criminals and Cops are so different that they are difficult to compare.
Cops get everything handed to them on a plate, in terms of cars/properties/weaponry/skins however they must adhere to the rules of their group (the ARPD) if they wish to keep these.
The criminals, on the other hand, are merely civilians committing crime, and hence have no automatic weapons, properties or whatever. That said, criminals only have to follow the server rules (and anything extra in their group, which usually isn't much).
By the way, when they trialled that rule with cops-no-return.. the situation got very dire.
In my only experiences with that trial in effect, the cops would quickly get slaughtered, however they would not be able to come back to be slaughtered again./me remembers opening a used car store after about 45 cops each brought a car to fight 7 Araatus at our HQ, all dying constantly and leaving their cars with us.
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Even higher?
5k is a very, very high amount, but I suppose if you want to arm your team its gonna cost you half the price of a house to do it. ;)
Criminals and Cops are so different that they are difficult to compare.
Cops get everything handed to them on a plate, in terms of cars/properties/weaponry/skins however they must adhere to the rules of their group (the ARPD) if they wish to keep these.
The criminals, on the other hand, are merely civilians committing crime, and hence have no automatic weapons, properties or whatever. That said, criminals only have to follow the server rules (and anything extra in their group, which usually isn't much).
By the way, when they trialled that rule with cops-no-return.. the situation got very dire.
In my only experiences with that trial in effect, the cops would quickly get slaughtered, however they would not be able to come back to be slaughtered again./me remembers opening a used car store after about 45 cops each brought a car to fight 7 Araatus at our HQ, all dying constantly and leaving their cars with us.
Hahaha thats very funny..I never got to kill 45 cops in a row..I think my personal record would be 8 or 10 around there in a single suspect play time.
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my personal record now is 50 cops in a row when i had a good spot at shooting at them the messages kept commin you killed a cop you are wanted over 50 times :rofl: then 4 Fbi guys landed with a chopper next to me en the first thing the did was open fire :D then i sadly died :cry:
Anyway back to this topic Yes Cops do not get armour when the use /duty but the can recuest armour in a danger situation so its not unfair becous i am sure like all the Criminals wil have armour and a big uzi and cops got armour with a deagle then so its stil nut infair Cops and Criminals boh can have armour so acculy its just the same in rs3 only rs4 can both have armour so just more life to fight with
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i could kill 50 cops also, if i got only freecops on me :eek:
no way u get 50 cops including a decent number of officers
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i could kill 50 cops also, if i got only freecops on me :eek:
no way u get 50 cops including a decent number of officers
Who cares if you killed 50cops or 1 cop? No one.. This is what topic is about "Do cops get Armor for free?", not amount of killing criminals...
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it where 50 ARPD en FBI Guys and some Cadets its not inpossible Get a good Place Where you can easyly shoot from and not get shot Get a gun you are good with get lots of ammu and open Fire and i killed them all at LSPD
And yes Pancher i know Why you think my last post changed to on Topic :rofl:
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Cops are supposed to have an advantage, it's how it is, if in real life cops where equal, i doubt anybody would obey the law:P
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How about this little fact.
In the Uk a large portion of the police force is issued with body armour due to CRIMINALS having guns and knives, both of which most the police DO NOT HAVE. want fair, try REAL LIFE !! cos in RL it is FAR from fair.
I must point out, we are only issued with Trauma Vest's. These cannot stop bullets really efficiently. 3 shots from a 9mm and I would be dead.
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Few interesting facts : In several countries both in North America and Europe, police officers are forced to wear bulletproof vests.
If you ever tried to spend a full day with that, you know that it ain't comfortable at all. Undershirt ones are the worst, making you sweat like you had a few plastic bags on yourself.
In the USA, FBI Agents are required to wear a bulletproof vest since the 60`s or 70`s ... there was a good documentary about this not so long ago. This decision was taken because it resulted of a shootout with few wounded and few deads.
In Argonath, cops must ask you to surrender, if you decide to open fire, they have the right to fire back. What most criminals do is : I shoot you, I run away and I lol! Then they get killed and go on for hours at : OMG he didnt asked surrender ... True, he did not. You are right ... OMG you have an advantage wow ! Hey, be realistic. What is the next thing ? OMG cops got cars ! We want some too ..... IRL, and depending of the countries, cops are plus or less armed. Their weapons do not cost them money. But they have a duty regulated by the government. They also have the right of the LEGAL legitimate use of force. The main concept is this legal legitimate use of force. It is important to understand what it mean. It mean that law enforcement have the right to use force in order to maintain public order and stop wrongdoers.
Another fact : FBI has regularized weaponry for RS4 with some specific rules concerning different weapons and situations. Armour will be a basic issue tho, every agents, just like IRL, will be asked to wear the bulletproof vest.
One more : In RS4, it is relatively easy to escape, if you got some skills and a bit of luck, you will be out of trouble in no time.
Once more : In early script, whenever a cop was killed, he got cash. No one complained. They dont anymore ... No one really complained much ...
And again : Now, instead of bringing back that death cash, they brought weaponry to make it more even.
Yes SWAT and FBI are elite group. Actions will be more monitored in RS4, script will give us the chance to do so. Abuse will be punished.
Giveweapon was brought back even if it was totaly abused by some people and removed at some point during rs4 ... If cops wanted to moan, they would just spit out trash like : Criminals will abuse it to dm and blah blah blah ....
Point is : You gotta trust the script and the scripter. CBF have a really good idea of what is cop life IRL if I ain't wrong. He made the script following the fact that 1 player must have same chances as another. He took in consideration, with Gimli, Ron and Ronnel and Haldir, that criminals had X ammounts of ``rights`` or Y level of freedom and this made Z. They, then, calculated X`and Y` and concluded in Z`. At this point, they tried to make Z and Z` even or as close as possible to give the opportunity to both group.
There is also, I may think, an hidden motivation behind the fact that ARPD will have more possibilities to face situations : Reduce the ammount of Cops vs Robbers situations and push players into different roles. If criminals no longer want to face police, they will hide more and become some special criminals (Elite criminals if you wish) ... Others, people only looking for a Cops vs Robbers style, will have to think twice and maybe find an alternative to their RP. This will make things a bit more real but also a bit more different and give maybe a new breath to the other jobs. We will need medics, we will need firemen, we will need pilots, we will need business people, we will have fun having barman and hotdog sellers, whores and construction workers.
In other words its not all about criminals and cops, it is argonath rpg. You can do alot of other things than just going rambo against police ... And this is why I see new script as a positive thing.
As for the classical answers : OMG but there are freecops abousing !! abouse abouse !! .... Quit it for once, there will be a copban system and abusive cops will be removed. If you ask why didnt all abusive freecops were not banned in rs3, remember that a player live on the players and that everyone is welcome. If we begin to ban everyone that do the simple mistake of any kind, it will soon be empty ...
And yes I expect the question : But Jaaskaa, u talk alot but never play any other role than Aff Bee Eye ... True, I don't, but I don't force FBI members to do like me. They can sell donuts or be just random citizens. I personnaly already have enough to do. Server administration plus FBI administration don't leave much time to play. So when I can play, I stick to my role and enjoy it. My other fun is to go party at the beach. I also tried to start Argonath University but it failed.... Now we were studying a possible stock market but .... the idea is so-so and we need to think over again. I also work as a judge and if a criminal cannot be found guilty, he will be non guilty. Yes I'm on the side of the law, because it is related to my personnality and my ideologies. If you like to play a criminal I don't hate you. My character hate your character, maybe, but as players there is not hate. If there were no criminals, then, there wouldn't be any FBI, SWAT or even police. And yes, maybe, one day I will retire of FBI, but this has not yet come.
FBI and SWAT do their own rules : FBI and SWAT do have more rules than regular police because they are elite forces. Those rules are written in comformity to the laws and rules of Argonath. Ok, there is more fire power. But we don't get all guns. Actualy, we are limited to 7 guns, 8 for SWAT. On the totality of about 15 for criminals. This is the half of it. Ok criminals need to pay, but now they can share the price. They can also use impact weapons such as mac10, tec9 and sawn off ....
Final paragraph : Rules of engagement, police rules, laws, weapons limitation, escape possibilities, possibility to purchase weapons and then only ammo and etc make the whole thing very well balanced.
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Well said
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Guys would you prefer it if armour was completely removed?
You should be happy with CBFASI's work with adding armour and detecting if it was hacked or not...
You should NOT be complaining BEFORE the RS4 release that things are unfair - CRIMINALS have a better chance in RS4 now due to the new changes...
What would be fair? That only criminals get armour? That only criminals and high ranking officers get armour?
As already mentioned, the police will NOT be issued it when they go on duty but MAY be issued it when they are involved in a situation involving a lot of armed suspects...which is just like in real life...
In real life the police force is equipped with whatever they need to use in a certain situation, if they didn't have that equipment then...criminals would kill them all. If you honestly think that the police using armour is unfair then consider the fact that without that armour then they stand NO CHANCE
:ps: Thanks for that Jaaskaa
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In real life (in the UK) ALL police officers are issued with a trauma vest that provide protection against 9mm and edged weapons. This is NOT bullet proof. ONLY if we needed to enter a really bad situ are we issued the real beasts.
Differences:
NORMAL:
(http://www.policespecials.com/images/stabvest.gif)
Heavy Duty/OSU/POU (The Beast)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Police.gun.1.london.arp.jpg)
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Also notice that the only reason that police officer has "the beast" and that machine gun is that he is obviously standing outside an important building, most likely part of the government...
Also they could be anti-terror police and would need them because terrorists have all kinds of guns and bombs and stuff
They are not issued those every day, just like cops on Argonath will not be issued them every day
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They are not issued those every day, just like cops on Argonath will not be issued them every day
We have the choice at the nick now. But If it is deemed unsensable by the duty inspector, off it comes.
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Not gonna moan about the armor - everyone can get it, but grenades :O
We was in our gym, got sued (metagame :redface: ) and then James came and threw a grenade
Well, Im not gonna moan about this too if we can atleast BUY them, even if they are with higher price then armour. Atleast we CAN buy it.
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I thought this discussion was dropped a long time ago. . .
Let's stop going on about it, now, huh? :P
Besides, weapons are cheap, armour is cheaper, us criminals have NO room to complain regarding this matter now..
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Well here in brussels belgium.. All cops are issued whit bulletproof armor and not trama vests or somthing else... My father works for the anti criminal police and every day when he comes home he got his aarmor 9 mm and his red marker tthat he puts on his arm that he shows he is an Police member...
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Besides, weapons are cheap, armour is cheaper, us criminals have NO room to complain regarding this matter now..
Not regarding this particular matter, indeed. But still..
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Well Nades is not fair..if cops can use, then criminals should be able to buy at a HIGH price!
Look at the criminal POV, we choose this life because we love to RP mafia and killers, we must pay for our weapons and we get weapons from friends as well. All weapons are reduced and Armour which is a VERY and NICE thing of CBFasi to do. Also look at it this way, cops have unlimited lifes get /equip to get weapons and armour, Many police units for backup. Cops get Hunter and Hydra, all good bases..I seen FBI HQ and it was kick ass.
Anyway, Mafia need almost same things cops get, so we should get nades too. Real mafia have access, maybe if a good script could be made to only Mafia members can get. Maybe a weapon storeage place where u can do /order grenades for $5000 and get 5. Cops can also say its ill-legal to get and also if you do that, also add Rocket Launcher to shoot down Hydras and Hunters.
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Well Nades is not fair..if cops can use, then criminals should be able to buy at a HIGH price!
Look at the criminal POV, we choose this life because we love to RP mafia and killers, we must pay for our weapons and we get weapons from friends as well. All weapons are reduced and Armour which is a VERY and NICE thing of CBFasi to do. Also look at it this way, cops have unlimited lifes get /equip to get weapons and armour, Many police units for backup. Cops get Hunter and Hydra, all good bases..I seen FBI HQ and it was kick ass.
Anyway, Mafia need almost same things cops get, so we should get nades too. Real mafia have access, maybe if a good script could be made to only Mafia members can get. Maybe a weapon storeage place where u can do /order grenades for $5000 and get 5. Cops can also say its ill-legal to get and also if you do that, also add Rocket Launcher to shoot down Hydras and Hunters.
"Cops" donot get /equip to get free armor, "Normal cops" have to buy armor themself with their own money
"Normal cops" can't drive Hunter or Hydra.
"Kick ass"? We r laws enforcement, we against crime, we r legal, but those gangs/mafia aren't.
And grenade, Rocket Launcher, or other War Weapons is not gonna happen and can be abuse a lot.
Criminals complaint about cops week ago, but now cops will complaint about criminals now...
So I completely disagree
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Well Nades is not fair..if cops can use, then criminals should be able to buy at a HIGH price!
Look at the criminal POV, we choose this life because we love to RP mafia and killers, we must pay for our weapons and we get weapons from friends as well. All weapons are reduced and Armour which is a VERY and NICE thing of CBFasi to do. Also look at it this way, cops have unlimited lifes get /equip to get weapons and armour, Many police units for backup. Cops get Hunter and Hydra, all good bases..I seen FBI HQ and it was kick ass.
Anyway, Mafia need almost same things cops get, so we should get nades too. Real mafia have access, maybe if a good script could be made to only Mafia members can get. Maybe a weapon storeage place where u can do /order grenades for $5000 and get 5. Cops can also say its ill-legal to get and also if you do that, also add Rocket Launcher to shoot down Hydras and Hunters.
IRL they dont. Now, its a game, and can be abused. So no.
And I dont care "this is not IRL" BS. This is not RP BS either.
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IRL they dont. Now, its a game, and can be abused. So no.
And I dont care "this is not IRL" BS. This is not RP BS either.
Then why do cops make all the points about Real police having shit?