Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Whiteman on April 15, 2009, 09:42:14 pm
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Hello dear Argonath community, today im here to ask a question from you.
What Should Cems Gang Change, to Become better in Argonath community
:ps: Do not say everything, give me tips.
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Learn your members the rules, act gangsta and more gangsta talk/actions. :)
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Select your members carefully
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Try not to ally with mafias. It's not very RP.
imo.
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Tell them to stop provoking and acting so cocky all the time..
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Options to help USArgonath crimeless:
1. Close your gang
2. Change your gang to legal family
:hurray: :hurray: :hurray:
:cop:
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Options to help USArgonath crimeless:
1. Close your gang
2. Change your gang to legal family
:hurray: :hurray: :hurray:
:cop:
He didn't asked that , why you are sending same message to all topics about gangs ?
Don't discuss in here :P lets Turn back to topic :D
Select your members carefully
Same :)
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Teach that to your members : Respecting to other players .. I think 2 lessons per day is enough for them .
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Tell them to stop provoking and acting so cocky all the time..
Corleone Gives them reason :)
Thanks everyone else, you are inspirating, but waiting for more :)
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Set up RP situations rather than improvise... dunno how to explain it in details.
Do some original crimes, that other groups don't do. Vandalism, or pick-pocketing.
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Ronn – I admire the courage you are taking to face the Argonath demons that have been violently barking from all four corners of the room. I’m also pleased that you took my advice to appropriately approach the community and seek constructive feedback on how the Cems could be improved.
I’m pleased with the amount of work that has gone into the Cems, and clearly this once benefited the community; however with the recent deterioration in RP and the failure on behalf of the Cem’s leadership to condemn RP malpractice led to the tarnished reputation you present today.
Despite this, I strongly believe that you have the ability to change yourselves and in turn your group. From the recent observations I’ve carried out – I’ve seen weak leadership credentials displayed on many occasions and therefore in accordance with that, I suggest you appointed a accredited and endorsed admin such as Gimli for example to the board of control over the Cems.
This will allow appropriate governance and ensure that the Cems are following core compliance requirements to continue as a group.
Apart from this, recruitment should be tightened up and the majority of the members that the Cems retain should be disposed of based off feedback. I also believe that you should have a restriction on how many members you have, and this should not only apply to you – but all the gangs and families of Argonath. This will ensure that only the top tier of RPers make it into gangs, which will encourage people to improve their RP drastically.
Apart from a admin the presiding at the helm of the Cems, and the stricter control over recruitment – I feel that the Cems have the correct foundations to go forward and restructure this establishment into one of the most admired and prestigious RP groups to apply for.
Good luck implementing the changes.
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Corleone Gives them reason :)
Thanks everyone else, you are inspirating, but waiting for more :)
Message for you. Do not compare Corleone to Cems. We are not a gang of any sort, and we have not resorted to making a topic ASKING the community for help,
because we do not need it, and Im sure most of the community agrees.
Ontopic:
Kick every member who said STFU to me... or call me an idiot. Or provoked me. And you want proof of it, here. Cems leader and his brother, showing, why Cems has been
labelled as the DMing/Rulebreaking group of Argonath. Check out the recent pages of the Member pics thread as well..
Link removed - messages in that topic were deleted for a reason.
And in case you didnt know the meaning of the word merked..then:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=merked (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=merked)
Prove that you mean what you say, kick your fellow leader and his brother just like you would if it was any other Cems member.
Trust me, it will improve your image hugely, after all, as leader you were banned for /q abuse in the early Cems days, I dont think
Cems will survive, if the other leader is banned.
I am not insulting you guys, just telling you how to remove the image that the server has of you, if you need more help you have my MSN.
Violet.
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Observe your members carefully before you recruit them, and make a system where you watch them, teach your members to follow the rules, yesturday, one of your members was running around doing things, I went to a car that was empty, near the LSPD parking, and he starts shooting me, saying my car, and he was really no where near it, thats one thing they need to learn.
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I seem to remember while doing undercover work of being asked within 10 minutes of joining server if I wanted to be in Cems.
Advise you stop this as you cannot be certain if the guy you just got is dmer or not, they can say anything as they so new..
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I personally would try to look at the members' behaivour, and try to improve it if they are doing something wrong. There are a lot of people which may need some improvements in their acts. You may ask other people too, to check their behaivour when no one is looking at them.
Another fact that annoys me when I try to make a traffic stop on police duty against a Cems member, it is that after they evade me and get suspected, a wave of five or more Cems members come at me and interfere or start shooting at my car when they may not be involved in the roleplay. Other fact is, usually, whatever crime has been commited by a Cems member ends up in a shootout with the police; I feel it is wrong, because I don't see much of a point in killing a cop because you evaded them, you could have just stopped for a bit, and keep on doing what you were doing!
Other thing that makes Cems look bad is the recruitment of new, unexperienced players. Sometimes they come from Deathmatch servers, and they may just learned what roleplay means, and how to roleplay. As you have a fairly amount of members now, I would advise to recruit Argonath regulars, known people in the server.
I am happy to see that you want to improve your gang after what happened, I wish you good luck improving it as long as you work hard trying to.
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1- Choose your members well, as i see Cems is quantity, no quality.
2- Try to stop the whining in main chat when you are killed (not only Cems, other gangs/mafias do the same aswell), if you feel that you got abused, /report is your best friend.
Dunno what else should i say, as im not fully concern of what you guys do.
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I have a suggestion.
Change the name, Cems is just so boring. Maybe, seeing all of your assets, go up market. Become a mafia, not a gang.
Do things for good as wel, not just evil.
(:s)
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Your gang changed a lot from the opening. Its on the good way, just try to reduce the useless gun fights and increase the role play... act as a street gang. And not only for your gang but to every player, keep infront of eyes what the other players wants to role play, dont force them.
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I'd say.. Choose your members more carefully, that's all.
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Good to hear so much feedback, all your advices are brilliant, Argonath is great :)
And yes, Cems gang will now, observe members and take members in if the member has played for over 2 months.
Thanks for the advices, you can still reply :)
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What i can say, is, as everyone have already said, stop the quanity, and get quality.
Also, YOU'RE A GANG: What the hell do you own villas, chateus and Infernuses/blablablacewlcar? Gangs supposed to live in Ghettos in 1-2 floored houses, and drive on cars such as Savanna, Majestic, Oceanic and Sabre.
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Yeah, if you wanna increase the Roleplay of your gang, then you should not own these big casinos and Infernuses and shit, a street gang doesn't own much, like one gang house, and the members could own small houses around your turf. In real life, the target of a street gang is to make money, but when they have money, they get out the hood, that's what it's all about, and you have money, but you're still in the hood as a street gang, but you also own casinos and hotels and shit, that's not very realistic, that's more for mafias.
You have probably heard this before, I saw there was some discussion about it in main chat, but all the Cems members said was ''Stop being jealous''. What if we're not jealous? We're just giving advices to increase the roleplay of your gang.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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Yeah, if you wanna increase the Roleplay of your gang, then you should not own these big casinos and Infernuses and shit, a street gang doesn't own much, like one gang house, and the members could own small houses around your turf. In real life, the target of a street gang is to make money, but when they have money, they get out the hood, that's what it's all about, and you have money, but you're still in the hood as a street gang, but you also own casinos and hotels and shit, that's not very realistic, that's more for mafias.
You have probably heard this before, I saw there was some discussion about it in main chat, but all the Cems members said was ''Stop being jealous''. What if we're not jealous? We're just giving advices to increase the roleplay of your gang.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
I agree. Perhaps Cems could become the Cemsington mafia, from errr. 1960's London. (lol)
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Agreed.
Cause in a gang, the most richest gangstas, if at all, should be the pimps/drug dealers. And their houses, not bigger than Glen Park's.
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If a gang would have very rich assets they wouldnt be a gang anymore, they would be a mafia which fails at masquerading as a gang.
Anyways, here is my suggestion for improvement.
Stop recruiting random newbies!
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Maybe do some training excercise and some RP crimes? Training in RP, shooting and driving etc? Also, keep the quality up and the quantity down :)
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Although Quality and Quantity together is pretty good.
:ps: Lol Quantitti
:ps::ps: Yes, I know, childish me -.-
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Well, they COULD own their current property OOC...
Heh, I remember that an african-american gangster in another server owned a limousine. He RPd that it was broken and other stuff like that.
I will report any rulebreaker from Cems to you, Ronn. I will also take screenshots should you need them.
Oh, one more thing. Start talking like a black gangster.
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How about using RP names?
Instead of Name_Cems, use Afro-American names, like Dwayne_Jackson or Jamal_Willows
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How about using RP names?
Instead of Name_Cems, use Afro-American names, like Dwayne_Jackson or Jamal_Willows
Good idea, we will discuss about it.
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When me and Jake once tried to stop some Cems member, cause he was speeding, he ended driving in Cems hood. There Cems just started random gunfights against me and Jake, both of us were killed by Cems members, cause about 6-7 Cems members were attacking us.
So, as Hank also said, do not start random gun-fights.
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How about using RP names?
Instead of Name_Cems, use Afro-American names, like Dwayne_Jackson or Jamal_Willows
Don't mess NICKNAMES with CHARACTER NAMES.
You can use _Cems as your gang tag for ingame nicknames, to know who is online from your group for example. But when roleplaying, you can introduce yourself as Michael Jackson or George Powell.
Will be generally cheaper, since changename now costs $10'000.
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tell them not to help a random suspect .
Gang member is not all about shooting to cop , right?
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How about using RP names?
Instead of Name_Cems, use Afro-American names, like Dwayne_Jackson or Jamal_Willows
Very very bad idea, will destroy your gang.
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How will it destroy a gang?
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Didn't Carhartt used to have a gang that did that? Maybe?
I didn't know what it was, never heard of it, and I don't recognise groups that do that as real gangs.
Unless you wear a tag, you're not a proper group.
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I dont really think it's up to you to decide what group is proper or not. Maybe in your eyes, but overall, no. Groups use it to identify each other. Bu the tagless groups can identify each other, and dont really care about tags. It cant ruin a gang.
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Well I'm just saying, I don't personally recognise groups with no tag.
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1. Don't Ask every player that enters to join cems
2. Do not lie, Cheat, Hack, /q Abuse.
3. Do not Deathmatch.
4. Kick Dming members, ( or demote )
5. Give them Roleplay lessons
6. Only if they pass a certain level of lessons they are full cems.
some points ;)
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1. Quality instead of Quantity
2. Select Good Members , Asking them to join by a Special Roleplay Way , instead of pming all Newbies about it
3. Make Sure your members know the rules and FOLLOW it , Be Serious About it , Warn and kick the Failed Trials from the Group ( trust me there are not few which should have been kicked , they spoiled your group )
4. Make Special Your role , instead of Constant Gun Use , you can Roleplay Kidnappings , Threads , 1-1 Mafia ( like for example stealing their goods for revenge instead of Revengekilling , Kidnapping an important member and make them pay ... ) cause you rob/kill in 2 mins after last Robbery/murder , try to find a Good Gang Business , like Guns or Drugs ... now everythin is in RS4.0 thanks to Ideas that were given and the work of CBFASI and Gimli
5. a Gang shouldnt actually roleplay with Mafias , i mean Mafias always Powerful and Rich , you can do business with them , but you should roleplay the Poor Guyz who usually spend their time buying and selling weed , and maybe a Mac : Prostitution you can control that ;)
6. The Leader should make Rules himself , some Assignments which every member should follow
* I like one thing , is the good use of skins , the image of the gang , The Respect of the Turf/Hood , The " All for one é One for All " everyone gives cash for the Cems , you help each other etc... but i really hope you change those bad points :)
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Names don't matter, yeh i prefer "roleplay" names too but that's not gonna increase your character RP not mentioning you would waste 10k to change name.
my suggestion - don't park teh cool sport cars in your courtyard :lol: I understand you wanna own them but maybe deliverpark them somewhere else :D
Everyone tells you not to recruit newbies, uhm, i think it's fine if you recruit some, just teach them everything well, basics of RP, not to rulebreak, tell them that they will be kicked if they do not obey rules etc.
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proper grouppen without taggen
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RP - that's all.
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I have a few suggestions, I will be PMing them (they are friendly)