Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: RobbyMeister on May 24, 2007, 10:12:38 pm
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As the topic said, i have a question:
If I drive a car, and a person (who's not the owner of the car) ask me to stop, and i'm refusing to do it, do he have the rights to kill me?
I was driving a limo owned by [ALS]Biffo, and Hell_89 ask me to stop. I'm refusing, because he's not the owner. He kills me, and his excuse was that he works for ALS and he have the rights to kill me if i'm driving the limo.
I don't think this is right.
For the first: ALS don't own all limos a ALS members is owning, the limo is [ALS]Biffo's limo, therotically, it's not the whole clans limo.
The second: Even if a person owns a car, i have the rights to drive it, unless the owner wants me to get out. Hell_89 isn't the owner, but he killed me anyway, because i refused to stop.
So, Ron, Gandalf and all other admins, is this right? Doesn't i have the rights to drive a car that is owned by another player? And most important: does a player who is not the owner have the rights to kill me because i refuse to get out of the car?
/ RobbyMeister
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He has no rights to kill...
If ALS hired him to kill people who are driving limos - they will get a warning...
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This Was Not ALS.
Hell_89 Done this and we are taking this into serious consideration and ask him to tell us why he is going round viglante.
And RobbyMeister when i am allowed back on monday, i will refund you in damages.
Im sorry for this to have happened and we hope you can understand that as BUSINESS not a gang we will never hire people to kill anyone, People have forgot the role of rpg not menstioning no names (cough)HELL_89.(cough)
This is a serious event and ALS will deal with it ASAP.
Im sorry about what happened and hope you may still be a ALS loyal customer.
Kind Regards
-~=Warren Doyle=~-
-~=[ALS] Co-Owner=~-
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Give both ALS and Hell_89 a warning. He said he had the rights to kill, because he works for ALS, but even the entire ALS don't own the limo - it's only the individual [ALS]Biffo who owns it.
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I have just appoligised and i speak on behalth on ALS why should we recieve a warning when it weren't us, If you want to know so much check are business thread of members and i dont see hell_89's name do you.
im sorry but if you give us a warning i want to know what for.
Dont assume if you Don't Know
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This Was Not ALS.
Hell_89 Done this and we are taking this into serious consideration and ask him to tell us why he is going round viglante.
And RobbyMeister when i am allowed back on monday, i will refund you in damages.
Im sorry for this to have happened and we hope you can understand that as BUSINESS not a gang we will never hire people to kill anyone, People have forgot the role of rpg not menstioning no names (cough)HELL_89.(cough)
This is a serious event and ALS will deal with it ASAP.
Im sorry about what happened and hope you may still be a ALS loyal customer.
Kind Regards
-~=Warren Doyle=~-
-~=[ALS] Co-Owner=~-
Haha, I'm not sure about i'm going to be a loyal ALS customer, let's see about that, lol.
Posted on: May 24, 2007, 09:31:52 PM
I have just appoligised and i speak on behalth on ALS why should we recieve a warning when it weren't us, If you want to know so much check are business thread of members and i dont see hell_89's name do you.
im sorry but if you give us a warning i want to know what for.
Dont assume if you Don't Know
Wazza, if it's true what you're saying that you haven't hired Hell_89 to do this, i think you might avoid a warning. It would be very good if Ron checked the logs to see if ALS and Hell_89 had a deal about this.
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I can say that I know nothing of any deal between ALS and hell 89. If there is a deal then, as a co-owner, I would have been informed.
I will also appologise on behalf of ALS and I can assure you we will do everything in our power to make sure that this does not happen again.
:ps: I will be out for reasons outlined in my going out topic, so I will appreciate it if jcstodds will text me on anything that related to this topic to keep me informed.
Regards
Dan
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the exact same thing happened to me. Nirtrox said i has to pay to drive wdoyles limo even though he wasnt online. and then he blew up my limo. But im just telling this im not criticizing ALS as i know that it states on your rules that this is not allowed. I also know nitrox is not a part of ALS anymore im just stating this to let people know that this is not allowed. Also ALS I have recieved good service from you keep up the good work. Also robby give ALS a break as it clearly wasnt their fault.
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Ok sorry, I have only recently been informed of this topic . Firstly, to make it clear - when we are not online we dont ask anyone to enforce our rental services, we dont ask anyone to enforce it online either!. Personally I only do it to sponge some cash out of new players :lol: when I am extremely bored, it is not a rule of ALS.
Give both ALS and Hell_89 a warning. He said he had the rights to kill, because he works for ALS, but even the entire ALS don't own the limo - it's only the individual [ALS]Biffo who owns it.
If you see our thread, we do not enforce this rule whatsoever for business purposes of ALS, just to mess people around. Hell is not ALS. EVEN when we do enforce this rule, we do NOT kill anyone for using our limos. Never have. That is our rule, it specifically says "we will never /su for using our assets. We will destroy the car"... READ THE FAQ SECTION ALSO. http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=1824.0
You will notice this in the Gangs and Groups section - we are not a clan, we are a business group. Our aim is to make money. Business comes first.
Nitro, again isnt part of ALS. They can try and charge the use of our limos if they want, just like they can try and charge people for crossing a road, but that doesnt mean that ALS gave any orders to do this<<?. We were not involved whatsoever in your incident, it was entirely upon those players mentioned. We cannot be responsible for mistaken guidlines or players that are not ALS, how dare you blame us? You think I am willing to pay people to protect a rule that I do not enforce myself? I didnt become rich doing that I tell you!
Also, as part of the commision (I dont know if before or after) I told hell not to try and charge them for use of the limos. Like I said, we do it to a few new players to mess aroound, we dont go around chasing people for using our limos. What we are now responsible for all players when we are offline?
I have already apologised for the reaction witnessed by myself, however this particular incident I deny all involvement for ALS, and if you all read our thread then maybe you will get what its about. I now apologise for the inconvenience any associate of ALS has caused regardless of our involvement because I am a nice guy, I dont want to make enemies. For this reason we are starting a training period for applicants similar to AV's system [ALSn] or [ALSt] ... We will pay any costs for damages, traumatic stresses, or discomfort caused by our responces :) .
WIth regards,
Jcstodds
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We cannot be responsible for mistaken guidlines or players that are not ALS, how dare you blame us?
Well, he said he worked for you, so it's not so fucking hard to belive that you are responsible for it, huh?
And yes, I will be happy if you could pay the damages. I have to go to a psychologist two times/week (the psychologist is LoveMeister) and I have to pay $500 each time. I also have to go to a physiotherapist (the physiotherapist is Venturas, a new player, but very experienced and intelligent in the subject) one time/week because i got shot by Hell_89, and he's taking $1000. As i have done two meetings with my psychologist, that's $1000 and one with my physiotherapist, and that's $1000. :lol:
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Lol good my sayings got you back together eh Rob :cop:
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You know wazza offered to pay, and you went on to try and get us warned!!!>?? WTF?
i will refund you in damages.
Im sorry for this to have happened and we hope you can understand that as BUSINESS not a gang we will never hire people to kill anyone,
AS he said, and you bullshit about us? Give both ALS and Hell_89 a warning. He said he had the rights to kill, because he works for ALS, but even the entire ALS don't own the limo - it's only the individual [ALS]Biffo who owns it.
Get you fucking facts right. Read our thread. We dont hire people. Anyone can say they work for us!! I could say I work for fucking santa!!! Are you going to sue santa if I kill someone? Or did GOD tell me to do it? WE ARE NOT responsible for players on the server going around killing on behalf of ALS, the same goes for anyone else killing in the name of someone else. Think about it, get your facts right. I have never anything against you and would certainly not pay someone ot kill someone driving our limo. The end, case closed, not our problem.
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Get you fucking facts right. Read our thread. We dont hire people. Anyone can say they work for us!! I could say I work for fucking santa!!! Are you going to sue santa if I kill someone? Or did GOD tell me to do it? WE ARE NOT responsible for players on the server going around killing on behalf of ALS, the same goes for anyone else killing in the name of someone else. Think about it, get your facts right. I have never anything against you and would certainly not pay someone ot kill someone driving our limo. The end, case closed, not our problem.
You don't fucking understand. I said that i THOUGHT that he worked for you. I mean, you was spending time with him the day before. I'm not accusing you for nothing, i said i THOUGHT he worked for you. DO YOU UNDERSTAND MR. JCSTODDS, OR SHOULD I SAY IT ONE MORE FUCKING TIME?
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Im sorry I have bigger problems atm hehe :) will $10k do??? D) I can get quite worked up if ALS is involved in anything ;)
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Guys if you want to be banned go ahead Swearing is breaking a rule and rob you swear too much..and jcstodds there was no need for that either... :cop: Jeez like a couple of babys who just learned how to swear...
There thats better :P
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haha lol ;) ... I have to suppress the english urges...
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lol Not all of us English swear its the Irish that do it.. as you can see ive never swore on Argonath.. Respect the Rules !
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lol Not all of us English swear its the Irish that do it.. as you can see ive never swore on Argonath.. Respect the Rules !
Arrows......meh...... goo away! This has nothing to do with you!
Anyway, If there is swearing, I may respond with such swearing. I dont usually swear, only when im half awake or RPing, I dont swear to offend people, just enhance any justification when necassary (and when im tired) xD. Arrows, seriously though some times you dont have to get involved with issues regarding some gangs of which you are not in ;)
Please take your religious preaches elsewhere!! xD
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everyone noises into my buisness so i say why not nose into this buisness.. i dont think your joining this clan so doesn't apply to you either :P
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w000t are you talking about ? :lol:
What clan am I joining wtf? :eek: :conf: :lol:
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Blackarrows i have looked on the forums the whole of today and noticied every thread you put is off topic, if in anyway you are trying to increase your thread count this is breaking the rules,
By the way we didnt flame when we swore it was in a sense of anger and seriously if you come over to dublin were my side of the family originate they swear more than us put together ask any irishman what is the faviourte word is.
And back to the topic.
Jcstodds Is not joing a clan he is already a leader of a business which had been around longer than most of you.
And robby we hope everything is cleared up we are sorry for hell_89's inconvience this will never happen again.
IM keeping a close eye on him, ALS have got a good reputation and we dont want to ruine it so.
Please Pm Me Or Jcstodds If You Need Any Further Help
Warren Doyle
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Hell is now on a test period for ALS, so we can keep an eye on him. Any enquiries you have regarding our trial member please PM me.
-regards-
jcstodds
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why does the Irish get dragged into this????????????????????
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Wazza is part Irish.
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will $10k do??? D)
Well, I'm going to these meetings all of the summer, because i'm so chocked :P Let's say 20k, and there's a deal. I'm soooo happy, because Hell_89 got banned recently D) D) D) D) :evil:
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Sorry, we dont negotiate for people who drag us into shit.
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How did i drag you into shit?
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Your 'claims' against ALS. Which are found to be false (because you "thought hell was working for us" ), and I have given reasons for this, and it was a misunderstanding on Your behalf, and hells, not ALS's. We offered $10k to settle despite having no immidiate involvement, and as far as Im concerned, you denied that. It was wrong to involve ALS in the first place. You first claimed we were responsible, then you thought we were responsible. The truth is that you should be paying us, for wasting our time because your view on our involvement has more holes than a cheese grater.
I decided to offer money, as did wazza out of civil reasoning. You denied this. Now go seek compensation from the real culprits. Any bullshit over you or anyone else trying to cause trouble over age old rules and speculations over misunderstandings, we go to court.
Have a nice day,
jcstodds
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Omg, I'M SO FUCKING SORRY FOR WASTING YOUR TIME, but as i said (and as you said) IT WAS A BIG FUCKING MISTAKE! HOW THE FUCK SHOULD I KNOW THAT HELL DIDN'T WORK FOR YOU? YOU ARE SO FUCKING SLOW IN YOUR BRAIN, MAN!
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Well, he said he worked for you, so it's not so fucking hard to belive that you are responsible for it, huh?
Well you seemed to know here...
I said that i THOUGHT that he worked for you.
... Oh, no, not so sure here.....
IT WAS A BIG FUCKING MISTAKE! HOW THE FUCK SHOULD I KNOW THAT HELL DIDN'T WORK FOR YOU?
Oh...so now you admit it was infact a mistake, I accept your apology.
It is not my fault if you can't keep your story straight. Maybe you shouldnt let your emotions get in the way. Then you can think clearly. I seem to have such a slow brain that you have basically admitted to everything I have said, replied with anger and gone from 'pretty obvious' to 'it was a mistake' so quick I think you have forgot what it was originally about. Take a chill pill, please.
If you didnt know he worked for us, you shouldnt have sounded soo sure, checked our thread and saw our members list, and im sure it says somewhere that we dont hire. I think that concludes my defence, and I give you some advice: befor emaking these assumptions and posting a thread about it, make sure you have the right guys.
Regards,
Jcstodds
Please understand, I am not attacking you, your methods maybe, I am defending my reputation
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Why you defend your reputation, if he has nothing to blaim you in?
That is right what he was telling to you...
learn to read and know the limits to stop...
That is annoying really...
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Because for some reason he comes back after every explanation with something condradicting his earlier posts, but with flame and abuse, I am trying to make him understand without resorting to flame etc.
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I did not notice it here... Opposit - i see you putting your own words in their mouths...
very sucky style...
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I think you mansioned a lot already...
Stop be idiot, please...
Sorry for strong words... But only idiot, when people say "yes" answers: you are wrong, it is 'yes"....
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hehe lol :lol: I wasnt gonna let him off lightly ;) :lol:
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No he has no right to kill u :cool:
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hehe lol :lol: I wasnt gonna let him off lightly ;) :lol:
That is why you started lie in every post??? pffft...
Man, I give you first warning on discussions on forum... Learn to read the posts correct not to piss off people...
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At which part did I start to lie? :conf:
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You started fighting the man, who was agree with you...
You inverted his attitude as he is against...
This means you were in purpose flaming a person to start a fight...
That is why I answered, when I saw you new post to him...
Once again - learn to read people's posts - it is disrespectfull to put your opinion in others' mouths...
And yeah, i noticed you always wanna be the last in every discusiion... Childish...
Better read people correct and stop provoke on fights...
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Ok I heed your words. I apologise Robbymeister for my absent minded posts previously. I forgot my place, and what my purpose was, and this made me concentrate on you.
-Regards,
Jcstodds
I will try not to be like this in future. Thanks for advice. What said is said, I dont think this topic is in further need of discussion. Ron, I may be opinionated, although I am not intent on putting them in others mouths, it may seem like that and I will stop. ;)
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JC, there was one more misunderstanding, omg. whole the time i have agreed with you, but you have vontinued flamed me. Both you and me said that it was a misunderstanding because i thought that Hell_89 was in ALS, and i apologied for that, but you continued to argue _against_ me. Well, the deal is done, Hell_89 is banned and everybody is happy. I hope that you and me could be in peace and friendship in the future, as this whole thing was a misunderstanding :)
/ RobbyMeister
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Well, the deal is done, Hell_89 is banned and everybody is happy. I hope that you and me could be in peace and friendship in the future, as this whole thing was a misunderstanding :)
/ RobbyMeister
Yeah, I admit I went too far. sorry :redface: ...anyway... when/if hell gets unbanned, he is on a test period for ALS - ( [ALSt] tag) so it would be appreciated if you could report anything back, watch over him.
Lets talk ingame ;)
Ps. Love meister : You like my 'fight' with dan_lcfc :lol: :lol: you can send to admin :lol: we had a laugh. I beat him for going holiday lol xD
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Oh its like that is it? It p****s it down all weekend, I come go on SAMP and get shot for going on holiday :lol: :lol: :lol:
BACK ON TOPIC: To be honest robby, I think that this topic has been blown way out of proportion. Both you and Jcstodds let your tempers overcome reason and I belive that this topic is resolved now and there is no more need for arguments. (I thought it was resolved after 7 or 8 posts but there you go.)