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Title: An Observation
Post by: MikeUK on June 19, 2009, 09:17:50 pm
This is not a moan - more an observation.

Why is everyone on this server beginning to frequently break rules? Admins, Gangs and even myself are beginning to DM.

We need to do something about it as a group or it could end up a lot worse.

It is getting to the stage where the server is no longer fun because of the DMing. I know certain people are persistently DMing - but people, Come on!

If we role played a bit more rather than going in guns first it would be much more fun.

If I try to pull you over, do so, not speed off and when I corner you pull a combat out. We all need to make an attempt. I know we can do it.

I must stress it is mostly the gangs which are DMing.

Hope others' share my views.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Oliver on June 19, 2009, 09:47:31 pm
Every time I attempt to roleplay with cops I get killed by a freecop barging in so I just blast them in the face when they come near me now.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: MikeUK on June 19, 2009, 09:53:03 pm
Every time I attempt to roleplay with cops I get killed by a freecop barging in so I just blast them in the face when they come near me now.
These are the issues we need to discuss.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Gandalf on June 19, 2009, 09:53:17 pm
Every time I attempt to roleplay with cops I get killed by a freecop barging in so I just blast them in the face when they come near me now.
You mean freecops are everywhere on the server   :wow:
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: MikeUK on June 19, 2009, 09:55:07 pm
You mean freecops are everywhere on the server   :wow:
Well they are like rats. You start with 10 and end with 10,000
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Fuzzy on June 19, 2009, 10:03:30 pm
Well they are like rats. You start with 10 and end with 10,000
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: (No offense :P )
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2009, 10:26:15 pm
You mean freecops are everywhere on the server   :wow:

It's a zombie invasion!!!

Anyway, yes, there are a few problems concerning the things stated above and i've noticed these things alot in the server. But things change, but we don't know if these things have changed for the better or the worse.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Mafs on June 19, 2009, 10:27:29 pm
We're a little bit racial when it comes to comparing freecops with ARPD officers. There are a few good freecops, but most tend to carjack us and shoot us :|
I often end up with flat tires if I'm parked somewhere and am speaking on the phone.

Though, I do give freecops a chance. But like Oliver said, if they come to close. Pew pew!
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: The_Wolf on June 19, 2009, 11:22:58 pm
CLICK ME PLEASE REGARDING FREECOPS ! ! ! (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=28752.0)

:ps: Mafs, your dog is ugly...  :redface:
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Mafs on June 19, 2009, 11:28:18 pm
CLICK ME PLEASE REGARDING FREECOPS ! ! ! (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=28752.0)

:ps: Mafs, your dog is ugly...  :redface:
:cry:
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Pritilender on June 20, 2009, 12:23:51 am
Well, I think that we should make some guide how to RP that situation which we often call DM. And we should also make a guide for the newcomers who want to be cop, and for other new cops (because, player who I thought is good RPer, killed me ,when I was suspect, when I stoped on the road, to write the message). That is my opinion
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Rusty on June 20, 2009, 07:52:08 am
Well, I think that we should make some guide how to RP that situation which we often call DM. And we should also make a guide for the newcomers who want to be cop, and for other new cops (because, player who I thought is good RPer, killed me ,when I was suspect, when I stoped on the road, to write the message). That is my opinion

Search the Forum there's plenty "guides" but tbh not everyone cares about them.
The way i see it, criminals try to RP and get cops involved, Corleone have been recently RPing dumping Toxic Waste / Stealing Fuel etc etc.. but when we try to get the cops involved they don't see to give a shit.  But when we'r suspects it's a whole new story.
People say "Gangs are the worst DMers.." no wonder we try to RP but what happens we end up being ignored or suspected so then we have to run instead, probaly why some people just turn to shooting Cops on the spot.

I blame the Cops.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Nexxt on June 20, 2009, 08:00:37 am
Well they are like rats. You start with 10 and end with 10,000

How 10,000.
We only has 125 slots  :cool:

But I know what you mean :P
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: James_Alterlis on June 20, 2009, 08:36:50 am
Those freecops(bad one) don't read rules/guide, or any long long text

The one we need is remove freecop  :roll:
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Oliver on June 20, 2009, 03:54:37 pm
I blame the Cops.

Word.

The one we need is remove freecop  :roll:

We need to remove long stupid texts.
This is more like it:
You go cop duty /duty inside big house. Big house next to pool. No, not that white one, the yellow one.
You cop duty, you no suspect for no reason. You no shoot orange people. You shoot when they run. You do /s3 before shooting or you get big trouble and you no can go cop duty.



Find Vic in Klamath. Vic. Find GECK. GECK. (just couldn't resist as I just played Fallout 2 on stupid mode :D )
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Rusty on June 20, 2009, 04:09:22 pm
Freecops shouldn't have the right to suspect people this is where most Cop Abuse comes.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Boxy on June 20, 2009, 04:20:00 pm
Freecops shouldn't have the right to suspect people this is where most Cop Abuse comes.

Yes! 


______
I was pulled over by a freecop, then I crashed.  When I logged in, he wasnt there.  So I drove along and I got suspected for evading arrest.  After asking an admin to come, he didn't come.  The thing is, most freecops are to arragant to get down "to the bottom" of things.  So that's why I shoot them.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: MikeUK on June 20, 2009, 04:27:06 pm
A few moments a go someone asked me to kill him, so I did, then 6 freecops surrounded me then one of them had an M4 and kills me after /gu. I think if we /gu we gain $1000 and all weapons again.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Rusty on June 20, 2009, 05:07:07 pm
A few moments a go someone asked me to kill him, so I did, then 6 freecops surrounded me then one of them had an M4 and kills me after /gu. I think if we /gu we gain $1000 and all weapons again.

Yes you keep your $1,000 and your Weapons if you died after /gu, but that's not the point most Freecops suspect for retarded reasons like "He said i was gay", "Ram me".  Time your report to an Admin and try to find cover to do so your dead, now you can't even self defend yourself as it's now considered a "crime" by some Admins what else are we supposed to do when we get attacked let them kill us?
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: James_Alterlis on June 20, 2009, 05:14:04 pm
what else are we supposed to do when we get attacked let them kill us?

Shoot back as defence only (Don't kill them)
and run, call officers/admin
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Oliver on June 20, 2009, 05:24:21 pm
Shoot back as defence only (Don't kill them)

Shooting a freecop to 1 HP won't stop him. I usually ask admins to unsuspect me. That never happens so I just kill the cop and run away.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Y2JFaN on June 20, 2009, 05:27:00 pm
I think freecops shouldn't be given more than 10 deagle ammo. Because most of them simply look for orange, and blast. From the money i've lost from weapons due to freecops, probably 100k since i first joined, it's silly. So now whenever a freecop comes, i immediatley just ask an ARPD officer to arrest me, otherwise i will be blasted by 7 freecops bunny hopping and shooting me while there's always a new one trying to pepper spray me... it's annoying...
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: James_Alterlis on June 20, 2009, 05:31:01 pm
Shooting a freecop to 1 HP won't stop him. I usually ask admins to unsuspect me. That never happens so I just kill the cop and run away.

Shoot to 1 HP... r u kidding?  :trust:
Just shoot them back as defence...
For example:

He shot u once, u shot him once
He shot u but missed, u shot him once
2 bullets has been shot, u have enough time to run...
So run after got shot
How ever, if you want to be unsuspect, do NOT kill
Because it's not a crime if you did NOT kill someone as self-defence, only shoot back

Just run, find the vehicle and evade then go to officers or tell admin
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: MikeUK on June 20, 2009, 05:31:33 pm
[AVt]Lilac(63) you are suspected by officer MASSIVE_KILLA(21) for he drive pink car

You paid coroner fees of $1000
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Pritilender on June 20, 2009, 09:03:40 pm
for the pink car? wtf?
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Boxy on June 20, 2009, 09:14:26 pm
When I died after /gu I still payed the 1k.  I also think that 1k fee for dying is a bit too much imo.  Maybe 500 would be better.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Oliver on June 21, 2009, 12:02:33 pm
[AVt]Lilac(63) you are suspected by officer MASSIVE_KILLA(21) for he drive pink car

You paid coroner fees of $1000

Holy sh*t. Why are you driving a pink car? Black is the new pink, silly.
Title: Re: Argonath RPG Administration In-activity Announcements
Post by: Cutt3r on June 21, 2009, 02:09:53 pm
Well yes, we do hav problems with some of the new cops who come our way. I hav been suspected many times for 'hitting cops' and once for 'shooting' when i didnt even hav spray with me. Anyone who knows me well enough knows that i NEVER use guns. Being at the level i am, i can unsuspect myself and talk to the cop who did it. He normally does understand and doesn repeat it. The problem is that if we see the crime as 'shooting' we really cant unsuspect. We hav to be fair. If the crime appears valid admins cant simply just unsuspect cuz the cop who suspected is a new player. Some new players hav been awesome cops from the start. Examples include rory, emerson, amahone, bob lazar, john m etc etc.
As to why i in particular do not cancel suspect for self defence, its simply cuz we hav been told not to. If i person kills someone in self defence irl, he WILL be taken into custody. Based on what he says at the station or court, he is let go or put in jail. The logic applies here too.
However i assure you all that  i will voice ur concern elsewhere. We will try and find an answer to this.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Drix on June 21, 2009, 02:24:20 pm
Yes, cutter i agree on you, i were driving an taxi and somhow i parked and a suspect come's on my car, i told him to get out and a freecop suspected me for aiding.. thats ... impossible... and i tried to explain but he dident listen at me at all, he were shoting me while i were runing and trying to stop him.. it just pisses you off. I suggest that only ppls with passport can be freecops..... how do you think about this?
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: James_Alterlis on June 21, 2009, 02:28:46 pm
Yes, cutter i agree on you, i were driving an taxi and somhow i parked and a suspect come's on my car, i told him to get out and a freecop suspected me for aiding.. thats ... impossible... and i tried to explain but he dident listen at me at all, he were shoting me while i were runing and trying to stop him.. it just pisses you off. I suggest that only ppls with passport can be freecops..... how do you think about this?

1. Exit from vehicle
2. /gu
3. Follow them, be investigated and tell the story that you are abused
4. Unsuspected
5. You are free...
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Altair_Carter on June 21, 2009, 02:34:05 pm
1. Exit from vehicle
2. /gu
3. Follow them, be investigated and tell the story that you are abused
4. Unsuspected
5. You are free...
In 95% that will never happen.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Oliver on June 21, 2009, 03:15:00 pm
1. Exit from vehicle
2. /gu
3. Follow them, be investigated and tell the story that you are abused
4. Unsuspected
5. You are free...

Nice theory. It won't work 95% of the time like Altair said. Most of the griefers just shoot you till you die even if you've done /gu. Sadly most freecops are awesome shooters :( .
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: James_Alterlis on June 21, 2009, 04:31:44 pm
1.2 Run to officer+/admin xD
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Y2JFaN on June 21, 2009, 05:58:46 pm
Maybe freecops shouldn't be allowed to suspect, and only give 15 deagle ammo. Freecops is where the abusing and dm comes from.

Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Rusty on June 21, 2009, 06:21:07 pm
1.2 Run to officer+/admin xD

Oh yeah where do you run too if your in the middle of Flint County? No where, only options are - 1. Kill the Cop - 2. /q abuse (HIGHLY advisable NOT to do this) - 3. Suicide (Again don't do this) or 4. Stop and report and time you do that your Dead. 

Best option is Number 1 but then you won't get unsuspected but meh just run hide in a House in LV / SF and hope cops don't come.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: MikeUK on June 21, 2009, 10:48:06 pm
This is interesting, whenever there is a big police operation the freecops follow, so DON'T run to an officer
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Bianconeri on June 22, 2009, 08:22:17 am
when you are abused you shouldnt evade, since that makes your crime legal
but well thats hard if you get shot, so get to an officer ASAP

personally i dont see really much DM, certainly not from regulars,
if you look at newbies then indeed a lot of DMing

and freecops:
nobody gives them a chance, for civillians/mafia its all the same: abusers!
as trainer of SAPD i have came across enough good freecops,
who are getting really pissed off with all those reactions at them about abusing freecop
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Rusty on June 22, 2009, 03:18:59 pm
and freecops:
nobody gives them a chance, for civillians/mafia its all the same: abusers!
as trainer of SAPD i have came across enough good freecops,
who are getting really pissed off with all those reactions at them about abusing freecop

Nobody gives them a chance?

You know why? Because they'll pull us over even if we'r not speeding, if we were to do ( /me stuffs the bag of weed under his seat ) some of them suspect us for it when infact anything in /me is an action your doing not what your saying.  If you think no one gives them a chance why don't you talk and help every freecop around, syaing that you can't help non english speaking one's as you have no idea what they'r saying and it's the vast majority of Foreign players who abuse (Non-English Talkers i mean).
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: MikeUK on June 22, 2009, 10:51:31 pm
Nobody gives them a chance?

You know why? Because they'll pull us over even if we'r not speeding, if we were to do ( /me stuffs the bag of weed under his seat ) some of them suspect us for it when infact anything in /me is an action your doing not what your saying.  If you think no one gives them a chance why don't you talk and help every freecop around, syaing that you can't help non english speaking one's as you have no idea what they'r saying and it's the vast majority of Foreign players who abuse (Non-English Talkers i mean).
That is true. I was pulled over by one of them (he used /m1) I asked what I did wrong and in default chat: Éóú íííííééééóóóóó€€€.
I said 'In English' I was then Suspected for 'inglish menospeak crimeman kill' then I was killed within 2 seconds.
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: Gandalf on June 22, 2009, 10:58:21 pm
And what did you do when that happened ?
Title: Re: An Observation
Post by: MikeUK on June 22, 2009, 11:11:44 pm
And what did you do when that happened ?
reported it. It was either 'inglish meno speak crimeman kill' OR 'i speeek english no crimeman'. He got kicked either-way.
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