Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: l0lller on June 28, 2009, 06:21:43 am
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I'd like to state my opinion about some of the server rules I disagree with. I was hoping people would share their opinion about these subjects. Please do not post bad experiences with the names because that will cause this topic to become locked.
1. Returning to RP after death is allowed for cops:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe civilians are not allowed to return to RP with the killer(s) for 20 IRL minutes or to the same RP (which is what I usually do). For cops this rule does not apply, because they are there to protect the laws and catch criminals. Another argument is that there are many cops. I disagree. None of these arguments make any sense to me. In my opinion when you die, you can't raise from the dead like Jesus and continue the same RP like nothing ever happened. Cop or civilian, it doesn't matter.
2. Powergaming/Metagaming
It's allowed. This is easy to abuse for cops and especially FBI. They can pull warrants out of their ass and make shit up all they want, just so they can frisk and harrass a civilian who's just standing on the street. When this civilian backfires the powergaming and says like: "The warrant is not signed", the FBI Agent can powergame even harder and puts on reading glasses and say it IS there. Catch my drift? This is just horrible role-playing. In my opinion people shouldn't get kicked for it or anything, but when it does happen, it should be forgotten and/or the RP should be rewinded if you know what I mean :roll:
3. /area abuse
/area is a great command no doubt about it. Using a command script and knowing where a player is by asking or knowing from third-party player is a huge difference. Argonath may as well install a teleport script so cops can teleport to suspects.
4. Carjacking is not allowed, unless a cop carjacks a suspect.
It's a good rule carjacking is not allowed for civilians. But when it's within a RP, I think it should be allowed. I believe it's not?
5. Giving weapons is illegal (this is actually Argonath law and not a server rule)
Why is giving weapons illegal? I really do not understand. Civilians are allowed to have weapons on them but they can only buy them at Ammunation? Aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong but since you're allowed to buy weapons at Ammunation by law, don't you automatically have a weapons permit because of that law? Anyway.. when there is no weapon deal and a friend gives a weapon to protect himself, I don't see how that is illegal. IRL it's not illegal either as long as you have a weapon permit, just so you know.
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I agree with the Powergame/Metagame. It's horrible roleplay, plus not supported, and harrasses a lot of people. In my opinion, Power and Metagaming should not be allowed. I don't know how it turned to be allowed, Time ago it wasn't allowed.
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Agree with John.
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man i agree with everything u put up there.
specialy the return to RP thing, and /area abuse.
and i hope this topic is not locked because i think everyone has a right to voice there opinion.
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Google LS-RP, add server IP to your favorites list, right click it > join. Problems solved.
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Google LS-RP, add server IP to your favorites list, right click it > join. Problems solved.
1) Noany advertisment of other servers
2) So we shoud all move to other server, cause you guys have the luxury to return after death, metagame, powergame etc etc ?
Nah i dont think so..
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1) Noany advertisment of other servers
I never gave server IP for that reason.. it was sarcasm.
2) So we shoud all move to other server, cause you guys have the luxury to return after death, metagame, powergame etc etc ?
Argonath isn't Real-Life RP, what are you doing here if you want such rules typically found in RL-RP servers? It's relatively simple to find a Real-life rp server if you want that.
Argonath is a server which you can roleplay however you like, and its gonna stay that way. Meaning if you want to play by metagaming / powergaming rules, go ahead. But DON'T force it on others.
In summary..
You want real-life roleplay with metagaming / powergaming restrictions? Awesome. Go find a real life server then.
Further references - See "Developer notes" in http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=28585.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=28585.0)
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Chase this is not about labelling role-play / real-life servers as what you're doing. I don't believe there are two non-dm servers on SAMP that have the exact same rules. Keep it on-topic, that's all I'm saying..
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Chase this is not about labelling role-play / real-life servers as what you're doing. I don't believe there are two non-dm servers on SAMP that have the exact same rules. Keep it on-topic, that's all I'm saying..
K. If you wanna continue trying to transform this server into a real-life server. Go ahead I guess. All I was doing was pointing out that this server is not meant to be a real-life role play server and its gonna stay that way. Many people have made topics like this.. trying to make this real-life, but it never happened.
:ps: The topic title should be "Server rules that are not realistic" as roleplay is NOT the same as real-life roleplay.
I will not post any further as I know this topic will either be locked or ignored by devs.
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K. If you wanna continue trying to transform this server into a real-life server. Go ahead I guess.
I'm not trying to transform this server in to anything. I'm trying to start some kind of a panel where people can share their opinions on the matters I put forward. Cuz when I start about these subjects on the server, I get a banana in my mouth.
:ps: The topic title should be "Server rules that are not realistic" as roleplay is NOT the same as real-life roleplay.
I will not post any further as I know this topic will either be locked or ignored by devs.
Ye they're really like fire and water :razz:
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5. Giving weapons is illegal (this is actually Argonath law and not a server rule)
Why is giving weapons illegal? I really do not understand. Civilians are allowed to have weapons on them but they can only buy them at Ammunation? Aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong but since you're allowed to buy weapons at Ammunation by law, don't you automatically have a weapons permit because of that law? Anyway.. when there is no weapon deal and a friend gives a weapon to protect himself, I don't see how that is illegal. IRL it's not illegal either as long as you have a weapon permit, just so you know.
Just because I suspected 5 Of you and I had to get an admin to tell you?
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1. Returning to RP after death is allowed for cops:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe civilians are not allowed to return to RP with the killer(s) for 20 IRL minutes or to the same RP (which is what I usually do). For cops this rule does not apply, because they are there to protect the laws and catch criminals. Another argument is that there are many cops. I disagree. None of these arguments make any sense to me. In my opinion when you die, you can't raise from the dead like Jesus and continue the same RP like nothing ever happened. Cop or civilian, it doesn't matter.
The argument that there are meant to be many cops is in fact true and the problem is that you do not understand one aspect of it. There is no "rising from the dead", because when you come back, this is meant to simulate backup units, not the same person.
2. Powergaming/Metagaming
It's allowed. This is easy to abuse for cops and especially FBI. They can pull warrants out of their ass and make shit up all they want, just so they can frisk and harrass a civilian who's just standing on the street. When this civilian backfires the powergaming and says like: "The warrant is not signed", the FBI Agent can powergame even harder and puts on reading glasses and say it IS there. Catch my drift? This is just horrible role-playing. In my opinion people shouldn't get kicked for it or anything, but when it does happen, it should be forgotten and/or the RP should be rewinded if you know what I mean :roll:
Argonath does not support the OOC and IC distinctions, which means that we do not see the need to recognise metagaming and powergaming. As for your example, I cannot speak for the FBI, but police cannot pull out warrants at any time they please. There must be a valid reason and if you don't agree with the reason, then file a complaint.
3. /area abuse
/area is a great command no doubt about it. Using a command script and knowing where a player is by asking or knowing from third-party player is a huge difference. Argonath may as well install a teleport script so cops can teleport to suspects.
If this command was nearly as good as you claim, we wouldn't have so many escaping suspects. As for, "not being rp", this is a game and we play it as such. Don't expect everything to be realistic.
4. Carjacking is not allowed, unless a cop carjacks a suspect.
It's a good rule carjacking is not allowed for civilians. But when it's within a RP, I think it should be allowed. I believe it's not?
Then comes situations where someone argues that the role play was good whereas the other person just complains of rule breaking. If the role play is that good then role play the player out instead of just pressing a button.
5. Giving weapons is illegal (this is actually Argonath law and not a server rule)
Why is giving weapons illegal? I really do not understand. Civilians are allowed to have weapons on them but they can only buy them at Ammunation? Aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong but since you're allowed to buy weapons at Ammunation by law, don't you automatically have a weapons permit because of that law? Anyway.. when there is no weapon deal and a friend gives a weapon to protect himself, I don't see how that is illegal. IRL it's not illegal either as long as you have a weapon permit, just so you know.
Police cannot see if you two people have a financial transaction, so people could lie and say they're only giving a weapon whereas it's actually an illegal weapons deal. Besides that, I think it is illegal in a lot of places, even if there's no payment. Firearms need to be properly registered and such.
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This is not a real-life Server. For those of you who want Argonath to transform into a John_Smith Server like Valhalla, LS-RP, or SA-RP, you can stop dreaming now.
2. Powergaming/Metagaming
It's allowed. This is easy to abuse for cops and especially FBI. They can pull warrants out of their ass and make shit up all they want, just so they can frisk and harrass a civilian who's just standing on the street. When this civilian backfires the powergaming and says like: "The warrant is not signed", the FBI Agent can powergame even harder and puts on reading glasses and say it IS there. Catch my drift? This is just horrible role-playing. In my opinion people shouldn't get kicked for it or anything, but when it does happen, it should be forgotten and/or the RP should be rewinded if you know what I mean :roll:
I'll speak for the FBI on this one.
The FBI does not and cannot pull warrants out of its ass whenever it pleases. If an Agent is going to present a Warrant of Arrest or Search to a suspected criminal or a confirmed criminal, they have to consult superior Agents such as the Division Chief and the Director with his Deputy and Assistant. FBI is an elite and professional Agency of the ARPD built to fight Mafias, Drugs, and Corrupt Government Officers (of course because of that we're the part of the ARPD that gets the most shit thrown at us), and its Agents are expected to act professionaly.
If you have something against us or a Member of our Staff, the Complaints Board is open at http://www.arpdfbi.phphope.net/ . If you are too lazy to Register and post a Complaint in that Board, that's not my f*cking problem anymore. Any FBI Agent or Cadet found to be guilty of Complaints filed against his person is subjectible to punishment, and Complaints will be decided on by the Director (or anyone else who may be put in charge) without personal bias.
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Powergaming? metagaming? whats that? Some "explanation" to those who have no brains to understand what is a multiplayer game?
Our server is for MAKING FRIENDS by playing GTA game together... With the possibility which was given us by Multiplayer developers team of SA:MP...
It is simple: Argonath is the place for more freedom and independence of players... Do not try to make it as a prison... We will not agree anyways...
Locked...
Read the link Chase gave you...
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I agree with the Powergame/Metagame. It's horrible roleplay, plus not supported, and harrasses a lot of people. In my opinion, Power and Metagaming should not be allowed. I don't know how it turned to be allowed, Time ago it wasn't allowed.
Lie... We always were against such brain-damaged rule...
- First of all our players are not idiots to recognize where people are talking in a situation contest and where they talk to the public chat to other friends...
- Secondly we are against our players being alive bots... They have all freedom to use chat options of server for conversations with the friends they came to...
- Lie is also that a lot of people harassed with "powergaming" and "metagaming" on Argonath... Simple as it is - Argonath NEVER WAS MAKING SUCH RULES...
And for all those moaners:
POWERGAMING AND METAGAMING NEVER WERE CREATED ON ARGONATH... THERE IS NO SUCH RULE on ARGONATH... THERE IS NO SUCH MEANING on ARGONATH...
The one where you could take it from - other roleplay servers... Go there, dress the uniform and play the game according to the last directives of the server owners... Eins zwei drei...
Simple, nice and fair...
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I'd like to state my opinion about some of the server rules I disagree with. I was hoping people would share their opinion about these subjects. Please do not post bad experiences with the names because that will cause this topic to become locked.
1. Returning to RP after death is allowed for cops:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe civilians are not allowed to return to RP with the killer(s) for 20 IRL minutes or to the same RP (which is what I usually do). For cops this rule does not apply, because they are there to protect the laws and catch criminals. Another argument is that there are many cops. I disagree. None of these arguments make any sense to me. In my opinion when you die, you can't raise from the dead like Jesus and continue the same RP like nothing ever happened. Cop or civilian, it doesn't matter.
The only time cops will return is if they are chasing a suspect. Being chased can hardly be called RP, it is more like action, where you try to escape and the cops try to stop you from escaping.
Of course a wanted criminal would prefer that all cops he killed would stay out of his 'getting unsuspected' range.
Not going to work.
2. Powergaming/Metagaming
It's allowed. This is easy to abuse for cops and especially FBI. They can pull warrants out of their ass and make shit up all they want, just so they can frisk and harrass a civilian who's just standing on the street. When this civilian backfires the powergaming and says like: "The warrant is not signed", the FBI Agent can powergame even harder and puts on reading glasses and say it IS there. Catch my drift? This is just horrible role-playing. In my opinion people shouldn't get kicked for it or anything, but when it does happen, it should be forgotten and/or the RP should be rewinded if you know what I mean :roll:
Read Aragorns post.
3. /area abuse
/area is a great command no doubt about it. Using a command script and knowing where a player is by asking or knowing from third-party player is a huge difference. Argonath may as well install a teleport script so cops can teleport to suspects.
Or we could switch off all chat and blips and criminals would never get caught. Also it would seem like there is nobody on server.
4. Carjacking is not allowed, unless a cop carjacks a suspect.
It's a good rule carjacking is not allowed for civilians. But when it's within a RP, I think it should be allowed. I believe it's not?
If you RP it correct, nobody will report you for it. If you wish to RP a carjacker...no such luck.
5. Giving weapons is illegal (this is actually Argonath law and not a server rule)
Why is giving weapons illegal? I really do not understand. Civilians are allowed to have weapons on them but they can only buy them at Ammunation? Aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong but since you're allowed to buy weapons at Ammunation by law, don't you automatically have a weapons permit because of that law? Anyway.. when there is no weapon deal and a friend gives a weapon to protect himself, I don't see how that is illegal. IRL it's not illegal either as long as you have a weapon permit, just so you know.
Pssst... want to have a big gun ? :rofl: