Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Hardware/Software support => Resolved issues => Topic started by: Kessu on August 03, 2009, 05:55:17 pm
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So I'll make here a topic for those who are about to buy new comp... Simple one, but hopefully helps :)
Processor:
AMD vs. Intel? No winner atm, both are better than other in something
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ @ 3.0 GHz wih 1 Mb L2 Cache loses to Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 @ 2.5 GHz 2 Mb L2 cache for example.. Don't look at GHz, look at test made in internet (example Guru of 3D is reliable site)
For Playing:
Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 - 70€, Good processor made for overclocking and for budget PCs :)
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 - 110€, Processor which you can overclock pretty good, runs games well
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 - 170€, Extremely good processor for overclocking and runs every game without any kind of problems, even with stock speed
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ - 80€, Fine processor for budget PCs, runs out of performance pretty fast though
AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 - 60€, Beats 6000+, almost even with Intel E5200, loses slightly, good for budget PCs and good for overclocking
AMD Athlon 64 X2 250 (AMD Phenom II X2 250) - 80€, Good processor for playing light-heavy games, runs out of performance when comes to super-weight games
For Editing videos:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 - 200+€, Only Intel Core 2 Quad I recommend for price/performance, runs pretty good and overclocks well
Intel Core i7 920 - 270€, Only one recommended from Core i7, as others cost way too much when looking at performance, overclocks extremely good
AMD Phenom II X4 940BE - 170€, Extremely well overclocking processor, made a record in 3DMark06 with 6+GHz, unlocked multiplier. Totally recommended by me
AMD Phenom II X4 955BE - 190€, Very good processor, which overclocks extremely well, unlocked multiplier
Motherboards:
Asus P5Q series for Intel Core 2 processor, or Asus Maximus II Formula when overclocking at maximum. Costs 70-250€
For Core i7, I recommend Asus P6T Deluxe V2 - 270€ or high-end überpro mobo Asus Rampage II Extreme - 320€ (No, these are normal prices for LGA1366 mobo's)
When looking for budget motherboard for AMD, only I can say is this: ASUS M4N78 PRO - 80€.
When money isn't problem and you want to get mobo which has everything: Asus M4A79 Deluxe 790FX - 160€
Yes, you may see there is only Asus, they just are the best when comes to making motherboards
Video cards:
ATI vs nVidia, which one is better? There is no better at the moment.
For playing lightweight games, example Vice City, I'd recommend ATI Radeon HD 4670 - nVidia 9500 GT - 50€ to 100€
For Middleweight games, example San Andreas, ATI Radeon HD 4770 / HD 4850 - nVidia GeForce 9600 GT - 100€ to 170€
For heavyweight games, example Call of Duty 4, ATI Radeon HD 4870, HD 4850X2 - nVidia GeForce 9800 GT(X/X+) - 100€ to 300€
For Super-heavyweight games, example Crysis, ATI Radeon HD 4890, HD 4870X2 - nVidia GeForce GTX 260 to GTX 295 - 170€ to 600€
RAM:
DDR2: Kingston ValueRAM 4Gb (2x 2048 Mb) 800 MHz - 40€
DDR3: Corsair 4Gb (2X2048 Mb) DDR3 1333MHz kit XMS3 - 70€
NOTE: You don't need more than 4Gb of system RAM, unless you are planning to run 100 programs at the same time
Hard Drive:
Capacity depends of you own need ofcourse, but I prefer buying Western Digital/Samsung HDD's and 7200rpm or faster.
PSU:
Three options, depends of your need.
Corsair cx400w - 50€, Runs 9800 GT / HD 4850 with any processor. (only one video card)
Corsair HX520W - 90€, Runs SLI/CrossFire systems, meaning HD 4870X2 / GTX 295
If you want everything: Corsair HX1000W - 200€, Meant for Quad SLI/Crossfire, runs everything.
Operating System:
Windows XP professional 64-bit or Windows 7 64-bit, I never recommend Vista.
DVD/Bluray depends of your need, I don't have any recommendations for those.
NOTE: Prices are taken from finnish shop, those may be ALOT different in your country.
NOTE: I DO NOT recommend of buying pre-build PCs (example Fujitsu Siemens and others) as usually there is some components which ruins the whole system and those are more expensive.
Hope this helps something and stops people making topics like "PC upgrade, what to buy?" :)
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Very good topic.
:ps: IMO this should get sticky
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just to ask, because I used to make some 3d stuff, what processor do you recomand for 3d modeling?
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just to ask, because I used to make some 3d stuff, what processor do you recomand for 3d modeling?
Dunno what that is, but I guess Phenom II X4 so it wouldn't run out of performance :D
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Kessu good topic, but what about the Intel Core 2 Duo E8400... :redface: ive got it and its got loadsa power, cheaper then the E8500 ofc and gives closely the same amount of power as the E8500 ;)
and overclocks like a beast :D clocked it to 4.6Ghz before.. from a stock 3Ghz ;)
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Kessu good topic, but what about the Intel Core 2 Duo E8400... :redface: ive got it and its got loadsa power, cheaper then the E8500 ofc and gives closely the same amount of power as the E8500 ;)
and overclocks like a beast :D clocked it to 4.6Ghz before.. from a stock 3Ghz ;)
Didn't listed every processor for the first time, going to update the topic tomorrow when am not tired :)
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ok i know i said about 1 thing already but maaan
For Middleweight games, example San Andreas, ATI Radeon HD 4770 / HD 4850 - nVidia GeForce 9600 GT - 100€ to 170€
dude Geforce 9600GT for San Andreas, you must be mad... i got 2 of them SLI and i run anygame on max... even with 1 card :rofl: theyre powerfull :flame:
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ok i know i said about 1 thing already but maaan
dude Geforce 9600GT for San Andreas, you must be mad... i got 2 of them SLI and i run anygame on max... even with 1 card :rofl: theyre powerfull :flame:
May are, but how fast they actually runs out of performance? Put 16x AA and 16 AF and test it then.. You don't have even 20 FPS..
And SA is just an example... Let's say like, Call of Duty 2 is in same class with SA...
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im currently on 1 card, PSU is dodgy.. i run Grid on 16QAA or what ever and ill take a screenshot of FPS IG tomorrow ;)
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im currently on 1 card, PSU is dodgy.. i run Grid on 16QAA or what ever and ill take a screenshot of FPS IG tomorrow ;)
GRID goes to the same category..
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Well i was told this during a casuall talk with a representative from MSI
Multitasking: Intel cpu + ati gpu
Single app(like gaming): Amd + Nvidia
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A 9500GT can run heavy games like CoD4/Crysis and so on..
'Lightweight' games..? Vice City can be used on a cheap, crappy Intel GMA chipset onboard video card.. with 40 FPS +.
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i can tell you know this topic is badly wrong.. even a 9500GT can run games like CoD4 etc...
even a 9600GT i can run multi apps without lag...
And the thing saying GRID is in the same category as San Andreas, i doubt you know what youre talking about, seriously...
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GRID goes to the same category..
GRID is up there with Crysis..
GRID occasionally causes my GTX 295 to get quite heated, when you're doing big donuts. :)
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Uummm... Let's say it like this.
VCMP runs with almost any graphs card you can find...
COD4... Runs with 9500 GT, but with what FPS? I'm trying to advise people to buy good enough PC, so they don't disappoint to result. Example, cod4 best gameplay comes with 250 FPS, even 9600 GT can't manage to do that. My 9800 GT has hard times to keep it in 250...
GRID same as Crysis? Hell no, it goes to same category with CoD2... nVidia 6600 GT (example) runs GRID without lag (with smallest settings)...
GRID does not take as much "powers" as Crysis takes.. And like said, I'm trying to get advise ppl to buy good enough for that game...
I'm just making up points which you may not understand, as you stay behind your opinions...
And yeah, GRID takes a bit more powers than GTA SA, that was fail..
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:wow: OMG you dont know ANYTHING its actaully sad..
ive got a 9600GT, on CoD4 with max graphics etc i get a constant 250FPS because i cant go higher or punkbuster kicks -.- but i CAN run it on highest with 250FPS...
a 9500GT can run CoD4 @ 150FPS easy...
and no fucking chance GRID is the same as CoD2 jeeZ!!! have you ever played grid!!! go put the graphics on full and see!
also OFC GRID uses more then San Andreas BECAUSE ITS GOT EXTREME GRAPHICS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaM4OOSZ2-E
please tell me thats the same as San Andreas, even though thats on Xbox its actually better graphics on PC IF you run on max :)
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just to ask, because I used to make some 3d stuff, what processor do you recomand for 3d modeling?
You can forget processor for 3D Rendering (Modelling) - You need a powerful VPU.
If you are not 64 bit don't get one with more than 512MB Memory.
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nVidia 6600 GT (example) runs GRID without lag (with smallest settings)...
nVidia 6600 GT runs Crysis with smallest settings without lag. Check youtube. ;)
About running CoD4 in 250FPS.. lol. Why would you need 250FPS on CoD4? When your FPS goes over something like 60, you can barely tell the difference.. what's there to be disappointed about?
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You can forget processor for 3D Rendering (Modelling) - You need a powerful VPU.
If you are not 64 bit don't get one with more than 512MB Memory.
you dont have to have a 64bit OS or core.. you dont even need more then 512mb ram.. you can do in on a P4.. but you will just wait a long time ;)
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you dont have to have a 64bit OS or core.. you dont even need more then 512mb ram.. you can do in on a P4.. but you will just wait a long time ;)
I'm referring to VPU's not computers.
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ye and hes asking about computers ;)
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nVidia 6600 GT runs Crysis with smallest settings without lag. Check youtube. ;)
About running CoD4 in 250FPS.. lol. Why would you need 250FPS on CoD4? When your FPS goes over something like 60, you can barely tell the difference.. what's there to be disappointed about?
You ever tried? I guess not, if you say there is no difference...
ive got a 9600GT, on CoD4 with max graphics etc i get a constant 250FPS because i cant go higher or punkbuster kicks -.- but i CAN run it on highest with 250FPS...
a 9500GT can run CoD4 @ 150FPS easy...
Give proofs. Crossfire / Overgrown from head to head, not looking down or up, but straight, let's see if you have 250.
9500 GT runs CoD4 with about... 70 FPS, depends of processor, may get upto 150-250 while looking at some wall...
So it's actually sad when you come to say I don't know anything about game which I played since it was published... I even played the demo BEFORE the full version was published...
CoD2 @ all maxed out... It takes as much from PC than cod4 with full graphics... So don't come to say I don't know anything, when you don't know how things really are..
GRID Extreme graphics? F*ck no.. My PC runs that easier than COD4, so that's about the "Extreme graphics"...
If you want proves of mine, you got 'em
My xfire screenshots (http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/kessu1/)
All are not with 9800 GT though..
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well i see you playing on ho mod / Pro mod which means higher FPS since theres less exesss details... and your issue about having played the game since before it came out.. we honestly couldnt care less ;)
i cant be bothered to argue with you, youre just to stubborn... i know what im talking about but it seems like you are going to argue with everyone and say youre correct.. good luck informing people with incorrect info ;)
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Newest promod gives max. 20% FPS boost.... which means ~5 FPS... So it doesn't actually matter..
If you want to correct some info, give me proofs and I will, otherwise, don't say I'm incorrect...
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fine ill reinstall CoD4 when i have time and ill show you what you want, how you say "proofs"
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... I had a computer from 2001 to 2008... Intel P4 1.8 Ghz and Geforce 2 MX/MX 400, 1Gb memory... i srsly don't care about more than 30FPS cause i came from ... 10-15FPS to 30+, i like my current system and i'm happy overall,that's all i need, 30 FPS, and i have Intel core 2 quad Q9300 and Geforce 9800GT... i came a long way from a Geforce 2 series to Geforce 9 series and from Intel P4 to C2Q
:ps: : Technology is a motherf***er, it keeps getting better, in 1 year this would be... complete nonsense
:ps: :ps: : Wait what? i could play CoD2 with my 2001 computer with 10 FPS, i think u ppl forget about Geforce 6/7/8 that can run those games...(perhaps not 6)
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... I had a computer from 2001 to 2008... Intel P4 1.8 Ghz and Geforce 2 MX/MX 400, 1Gb memory... i srsly don't care about more than 30FPS cause i came from ... 10-15FPS to 30+, i like my current system and i'm happy overall,that's all i need, 30 FPS, and i have Intel core 2 quad Q9300 and Geforce 9800GT... i came a long way from a Geforce 2 series to Geforce 9 series and from Intel P4 to C2Q
:ps: : Technology is a motherf***er, it keeps getting better, in 1 year this would be... complete nonsense
:ps: :ps: : Wait what? i could play CoD2 with my 2001 computer with 10 FPS, i think u ppl forget about Geforce 6/7/8 that can run those games...(perhaps not 6)
nVidia 6 series can run CoD2...