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Title: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MyleS on August 09, 2009, 12:58:18 pm
    As everyone may have noticed, i made a Little mexican gang lately, a roleplay group which its main goal Roleplaying, Robberies, Kidnappings, Car theft, Walking On the beach, Selling Drugs, its hardly when you see one of my members shooting at someone, and mostly not roleplaying with " Mafia " unless for buying guns or selling drugs... Im Talking about the East Side Locos (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=36942.0).

    These paste 3 days, my group was been attacked, without any roleplay reason, and of course without a God Damn Validation if we speak about the experimental rules drawn up by Panda and agreed upon in NitrOx's Petition, Gangwars/Conflicts & Validations (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=35369.0), One Of The main organisations, who even agreed on those new rules, has broken them. For a very silly reason, you would say " You are the silly " but No, i really sent my complains about that to [email protected].

    At the moment, i cant really roleplay anything like i used to do, why? because my members get attacked every 10 mins, Reason is the Validation, im not here to shoot every 10 mins, im sorry, you might think you are the Main power of San Fierro, but attacking a little group isnt that wise, especially for this Reason:
(http://i25.tinypic.com/ih0fpl.png)

    After all, i think these New Policies are screwed, we might think of getting back into the old rules, at least ill have more time to roleplay than to shoot or buy guns...

What do you think?
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Zaila on August 09, 2009, 01:01:37 pm
Remove your validation against them. If they are using it for attacking you whole time, they are abusing it. and that picture show's us who eugene really are. He shouldn't even be admin imo if he's acting like that.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Traser on August 09, 2009, 01:01:44 pm
Moan.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MyleS on August 09, 2009, 01:12:44 pm
Moan.
Its a Public Discussion.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: smey on August 09, 2009, 01:28:57 pm
So, what do you want to discuss about? The new gang war rule? You can do that in the gangwar topic, http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=28&topic=35369.0

This looks more like a complaint against Eugene. (which is totally correct, and should be send to the email address if not done already)
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Davey_Rose on August 09, 2009, 01:29:30 pm
Something has serious to be done with this. And I didn't know that side of Eugene.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MyleS on August 09, 2009, 01:32:53 pm
So, what do you want to discuss about? The new gang war rule? You can do that in the gangwar topic, http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=28&topic=35369.0

This looks more like a complaint against Eugene. (which is totally correct, and should be send to the email address if not done already)
Ive sent 3 full mails... This is not about Eugene, The Petition was discussed here, So its here where it is gonna be Discussed again!
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MarioRinarri on August 09, 2009, 02:46:16 pm
(http://i25.tinypic.com/ih0fpl.png)
How childish that is... Not only this funny "threatening-wannabe Abramovich" message, but whole gang-war validation thing.
One more thing I noticed, there are no Mafia's in Argonath... Gangs/Thugs only.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Terox on August 09, 2009, 02:54:33 pm
lol seether
how you call it girl moan ?
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Y2JFaN on August 09, 2009, 07:01:22 pm
Something has serious to be done with this. And I didn't know that side of Eugene.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Pandalink on August 09, 2009, 07:06:17 pm
The failure is not in the system, the failure is in you.

You complain that you are attacked but you posted the validation.
You agreed to be attacked, potentially all the time.

If you want to stop Gvardia attacking you, remove your validation.
If they continue to attack, they will be punished.
Simple as.

Nothing wrong with the system, only that you clearly don't understand it.
If you don't want to participate in SAMP Group war roleplay, then avoid the validation system and you can't be touched.

If you have a complaint against Eugene, then make a complaint against Eugene?

These paste 3 days, my group was been attacked, without any roleplay reason, and of course without a God Damn Validation

Then why in the world have you not contacted an admin ingame or spoken to a gang moderator officially?
If non validated enemies attack you, just contact an admin ingame and they will punish the attackers.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Terox on August 09, 2009, 07:10:25 pm
finally someone smart replied
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MyleS on August 09, 2009, 07:25:21 pm
The failure is not in the system, the failure is in you.

You complain that you are attacked but you posted the validation.
You agreed to be attacked, potentially all the time.

If you want to stop Gvardia attacking you, remove your validation.
If they continue to attack, they will be punished.
Simple as.

Nothing wrong with the system, only that you clearly don't understand it.
If you don't want to participate in SAMP Group war roleplay, then avoid the validation system and you can't be touched.

If you have a complaint against Eugene, then make a complaint against Eugene?

Then why in the world have you not contacted an admin ingame or spoken to a gang moderator officially?
If non validated enemies attack you, just contact an admin ingame and they will punish the attackers.


- After you post a Validation, does it mean you should attack or get attacked every 10 minutes?
- I did avoid the Validations System, But its simply because Eugene, Forced the war and provoked me as you can see on the PRIVATE MESSAGE
- Complains about Eugene Were Sent, 3 full mails i repeat, its been 3 days and none has read em yet.
- In the world, i have tried and contacted an Admin even BEFORE they break the rules, i told Violet that They dont have Validation and they are or are gonna attack me, and that was true, unfortunatly Violet went off when they just Attacked me! and the problem is THAT THEY ARE NOT PUNISHED.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Julian on August 09, 2009, 07:29:28 pm
I think there should be an ammount of times you can attack per day. Like 1 times with a big ammount of people, and 2 times with a smaller ammount of people.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Marting_Riggs on August 09, 2009, 07:39:16 pm
dude from what i hear your members come to SF fire a few shots then drive off then Gvardia gets health and goes for them ONLY if there is 3 of your members online or more


and the pic of forums with eug on it i think he starting to get angry cause you come in are topic and provoke us cDa had to tell the arguments to stop 1 or 2 times since you started to post in are topic


and i don't think it every 10 mins i am returning tommrow and if i see it happen i will speak with the ppl that attacked you

also don't like are attacked REMOVE your dame validation with us 
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MyleS on August 09, 2009, 07:43:03 pm
dude from what i hear your members come to SF fire a few shots then drive off then Gvardia gets health and goes for them ONLY if there is 3 of your members online or more


and the pic of forums with eug on it i think he starting to get angry cause you come in are topic and provoke us cDa had to tell the arguments to stop 1 or 2 times since you started to post in are topic


and i don't think it every 10 mins i am returning tommrow and if i see it happen i will speak with the ppl that attacked you

also don't like are attacked REMOVE your dame validation with us 
Well please Silver, its been long you're not IG, you cant talk about something you dont know, and i hope you dont believe anything they tell you.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Pandalink on August 09, 2009, 11:47:12 pm
- After you post a Validation, does it mean you should attack or get attacked every 10 minutes?

As long as the no return rule is not broken, it is allowed.

- I did avoid the Validations System, But its simply because Eugene, Forced the war and provoked me as you can see on the PRIVATE MESSAGE

Then you are welcome to pass whatever judgement you wish on the level of maturity that Eugene possesses.

- Complains about Eugene Were Sent, 3 full mails i repeat, its been 3 days and none has read em yet.

You'd have to ask the main admins about that.

- In the world, i have tried and contacted an Admin even BEFORE they break the rules, i told Violet that They dont have Validation and they are or are gonna attack me, and that was true, unfortunatly Violet went off when they just Attacked me! and the problem is THAT THEY ARE NOT PUNISHED.

Then you should have reported them for deathmatching to a different admin or using /report.

You do not complain that "the server allows new people to join" and as such "these people DM sometimes", do you?
The rule is not the issue, the issue here is clearly which group attacks without a validation.

At the moment, you are still validated. The only rules governing your engagements are the no return rule and your own policies that you are to agree privately with the leaders of Gvardia.
Breaking either will lead their opponent to break the validation, I would imagine.

The system is self-governing. If your group is not well organised enough to self-govern then do not use the validations system.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Boxy on August 09, 2009, 11:55:17 pm
Would you like some bread with your "wine"?
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MyleS on August 10, 2009, 12:15:26 am
Panda Lets forget about the 3 first points, lets talk about the last one, since its the one related to this topic, And stop telling me that i should report them for deathmatching, They no Validation, then and they attacked us with Eug Leading the whole Team! When we Reported we got kicked for False Accusations By Eugene Himself!
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Eugene on August 10, 2009, 03:24:39 am
I think you should rename the topic to 'Shitting on Eugene, come join'.

- After you post a Validation, does it mean you should attack or get attacked every 10 minutes?
- I did avoid the Validations System, But its simply because Eugene, Forced the war and provoked me as you can see on the PRIVATE MESSAGE
- Complains about Eugene Were Sent, 3 full mails i repeat, its been 3 days and none has read em yet.
- In the world, i have tried and contacted an Admin even BEFORE they break the rules, i told Violet that They dont have Validation and they are or are gonna attack me, and that was true, unfortunatly Violet went off when they just Attacked me! and the problem is THAT THEY ARE NOT PUNISHED.

lol you are pathetic, you try to find some dirt on me and make it public.  :lol:

this is a complete moan topic, if u say i rule break so much and DM, then why dont you stop doing that yourself,
i dont usualy moan and talk about this kind of stuff on forum, but since u started it, i can give u it.

For example, when all of your ESL gang got killed by Gvardia and Diablos including you, 5mins later u got armour+weapons, got ur guys ready and came back to Diablos hood where u died, and started shooting them again, I came online, heard about it, and froze you to talk why u came back after death. Then u started acting like a kid screaming 'OMG OMG EUGENE ABUSING AGAIN', so i called pancher, he talked to you, he said to admins in /a that this can just be a verbal warning. then I said okay, and went off, then 5mins later someone comes calling me on msn to get IG. i come IG and see u came to Diablos hood and killed their leader, even after Pancher told you not to do it, so i do /admins to see if pancher is online, and guess what, he is not online, you took advantage, saw that Pancher went offline, and u went and attacked diablos.

And stop the damn crying and moaning that Gvardia keeps killing ur members all the time. you are the one who started it. How this WHOLE things started is when your gang shot down Playa_Gvardia at GS9, so stop the crying that you dont want RP with mafia, and u never shot anyone. and after i declared you enemies, I see all the time your little members attacking Gvardia, but i dont mind, and i dont cry on forums about it like you. So why dont you grow up, suck it up and be a man for once.

you are trying to show everyone how bad Gvardia is. well i dont see Gvardia members moaning in main chat after someoen got killed, unlike your member going crazy in main chat 'OMG WHATA f**k YOU FUCCKING PRICKS DMERS, LET ME RP FOR ONE SECOND!'. then calling me abuser for warning you for caps and flaming.

And like panda said, its NOT the the system failure, its your own failure. If you cant take the heat then get the f*** outta the kitchen.




trying to find pics of me acting up? well I wasnt going to show this, but since you want it like this, here.




(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u263/skkateorhabithat/seether.jpg)


http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u263/skkateorhabithat/seether.jpg




now take a look at this pics and tell me how mature is seether after flaming me and calling me kid/retard.

Post Merge: August 09, 2009, 04:31:30 pm


Panda Lets forget about the 3 first points, lets talk about the last one, since its the one related to this topic, And stop telling me that i should report them for deathmatching, They no Validation, then and they attacked us with Eug Leading the whole Team! When we Reported we got kicked for False Accusations By Eugene Himself!


DrDre shoots my member, then starts running to SF. I got my team ready, then started following DrDre to SF. we come there, i screem something in /s to make it look more like RP, and we kill yuo..

I dont see what is so DM about that...

and then when DrDre reports me for DMing, after he gets killed by us for shooting at Gvardia 5mins before, yes i kick him for false report. nothing wrong with that.

Post Merge: August 09, 2009, 07:38:32 pm


Your groups is so perfect huh?  :lol:
well here is something that would probably would make you feel better

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u263/skkateorhabithat/ESLFlame-1.jpg)


Note: im not just posing this pics for no reason, Seether started it, so he wants it like this.

Post Merge: August 09, 2009, 08:44:39 pm



Trying to act like an angel here huh?
before trying to find some ditt on others, check and clean your self first.


(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u263/skkateorhabithat/seetherflame1.jpg)











NOTICE: Im not moaning here, or crying, Seether started this topic, and he started this whole 'reporting' topic thing, so im just playing it his way.




Any main admins want to talk to me about my behavior or anything else, feel free, [email protected] <-- my msn

Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: BLiSS908 on August 10, 2009, 07:05:00 am
You=Failure. No comment.

You=MyleS
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Eugene on August 10, 2009, 07:10:46 am
You=Failure. No comment.

You=MyleS

No need to provoke plz...

btw i just saw this topic was locked, now its unlocked...  :trust:







I dont want anyone from Gvardia posting here, trying to defend me. plz
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MyleS on August 10, 2009, 12:07:31 pm
Nothing special in your screenies... here we are talking about the Gang war... and your pm is related to that, and i guess nothing is wrong with asking you to stop pming me though! So keep it up :) Find something else!

And how smart you think you are? Cropping the Screenie, funny!
It was on public, though and admins saw it, you provoked you got your reaction ;)

(http://i30.tinypic.com/2wg6o86.png)

Your groups is so perfect huh?  :lol:
well here is something that would probably would make you feel better
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u263/skkateorhabithat/ESLFlame-1.jpg)
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(http://i30.tinypic.com/14mq2kw.png)
(http://i32.tinypic.com/krdwz.png)
(http://i26.tinypic.com/5yusd0.png)
(http://i31.tinypic.com/2ujjwp0.png)
What do you expect them to tell you after constant provoking them just like that, and no one does anything uh?


Topic: If i dont put a validation on a group, would they be able to attack me? would it be allowed?
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Terox on August 10, 2009, 12:55:14 pm
Lol seether you realy annoying with your girl crying and how your members complaining in /p after they got "DMED"
So cmon,stop with these posts and grow up.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Inkognito on August 10, 2009, 12:58:52 pm
Myle - just click "Report to admin" button...
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Jcstodds on August 10, 2009, 02:04:29 pm
 When I recently ventured back into Argonath, one of the first things I saw, was the admins arguing with each other over gang wars. This is completely ridiculous. As far as I can work out, this gang war thing is just an excuse to DM. It offers players no reason to incorporate in depth gang RP, because they know they can get away with just shooting instead.

  Without the gang DM rule (or whatever it is), gangs had to be careful who and why they attacked. At least this was RP related attacks, or they could end up in court or whatever. Or at least, that's how I remember it. If you don't agree, maybe your gang should smarten up a little.

  From what I read on this topic, all the supporters are just provoking personal attacks, dismissing any point with 'moaner' etc.

 Get real guys. If it's a trial idea, you should concentrate on the negative feedback as much as the positive. 
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MyleS on August 10, 2009, 02:21:44 pm
At Least someone who is aware of the problem, and knows what he is talking about..
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: Rusty on August 10, 2009, 02:26:42 pm
I see this has gone far enough, so am locking the topic if you want it re-opened to have a FRIENDLY discussion PM me.
Title: Re: Gangwar Policies Experiment // Failure
Post by: MikeUK on August 10, 2009, 03:49:29 pm
To be honest I am sick of ESL and Gvardia. JUST STOP FIGHTING , CANCEL THE VALIDATION AND SHUT UP. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU ARGUE IN PUBLIC.
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