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Title: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Gandalf on August 15, 2009, 12:30:33 pm: From the Presidents office :

It has come to our attention that our Police force is in constant battle against crime. And still they are confronted daily with murders, robberies and kidnappings.
As the Police force consists of many voluntary officers (freecops) that have received little training from the understaffed SAPD, they are barely keeping up with controlling small crimes like speeding and traffic violations.

There for the President calls on the business families and their security to clear the streets of the United States of Argoanth of crime. While we can not place the security above the law, our Minitry of Good Intentions has been ordered to cooperate with the leaders of business families and their security officers to make our cities more safe.

Please not that the Ministry of Good Intentions has been given powers to use force should it be clear that a business is in fact a criminal organization and intent on disrupting the safety of Argonath citizens.

All business families are invited to cooperate by their security team to make the streets more safe.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: juni_09 on August 15, 2009, 12:33:40 pm: i will help :D for 1mill
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: rJCaiG on August 15, 2009, 12:35:50 pm: LOL @ juni_09 ?
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: The_Wolf on August 15, 2009, 12:36:33 pm: :lol:
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Terox on August 15, 2009, 12:59:23 pm: I can help
I will clean every day the street of preshing square
Do i get paid ?
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Chuck_Norris on August 15, 2009, 01:09:07 pm: are people who act on their own allowed to help aswell ?
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: luke530 on August 15, 2009, 01:21:37 pm: It seems everyones only concerned with money than anything else
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Stanley_Taylor on August 15, 2009, 01:29:59 pm: I think I'll pass. I don't wanna snitch in rp and get /su when i'm actually trying to help. :neutral:
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Louis_Lombardi on August 15, 2009, 02:14:27 pm: why all of u wants money ?

if i get Unbanned i will clean the street for free...
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: smey on August 15, 2009, 02:31:17 pm: I would also like to note that people need to respect free cops more. I agree that some free cops are just out to DM people, but a lot of them have no idea how to do the cop job. The ARPD staff tries to help them around, but that is not always possible. Instead of shouting in main chat, or shouting at them, send in PM them a message what they are doing wrong. If a freecop wants to RP with you, do not ignore him.

If you get abused:

DO not shout in mainchat. Just /gu, and press TAB and look for a dark blue name. Contact any ARPD Officer or above. He will come to investigate, and if you are entitled to it, you will be released.

If you get killed (by a cop), and you found it abusive:

DO not shout in mainchat. Press TAB and look for a dark blue name. Contact any ARPD Officer or above. He will come to investigate. Or come to LSPD. Actions will be taken if the cop in question broke the ARPD rules and laws.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Louis_Lombardi on August 15, 2009, 02:35:18 pm: nice post smey :)
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: SavioR88 on August 15, 2009, 02:53:58 pm: Nice Topic bro
And maybe street can be safe ;)
but in East Side Beach i don't believe ;) :)
BTW Good Luck :rofl:
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: MarioRinarri on August 15, 2009, 03:44:51 pm: Is that because someone kidnapped and killed HSBC and his pal?
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Whiteman on August 15, 2009, 04:48:31 pm: What do you mean by "Cleaning the streets" ?
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Gandalf on August 15, 2009, 04:57:41 pm: Cleaning the streets means to make the streets safe for citizens and small businessmen to be there.

Many citizens are walking and have to witness constant crimes. Due tio the high rate of criminality, police officers tend to see any civilian as a possible criminal and threat. This has to stop, and will be stopped by brute force if necessary.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Gandalf on August 15, 2009, 04:58:24 pm: Quote from: MarioRinarri on August 15, 2009, 03:44:51 pm
Is that because someone kidnapped and killed HSBC and his pal?
No, the MGI has already been activated before his appearance.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: MarioRinarri on August 15, 2009, 05:01:36 pm: Quote from: Gandalf on August 15, 2009, 04:58:24 pm
No, the MGI has already been activated before his appearance.
One more question, will there ever be a proper, active, role-playing government except than just "on-paper only" statements released to public?
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Gandalf on August 15, 2009, 05:03:06 pm: Quote from: MarioRinarri on August 15, 2009, 05:01:36 pm
One more question, will there ever be a proper, active, role-playing government except than just "on-paper only" statements released to public?
That depends on the activities the Government has which are unseen to the public.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Lucky on August 15, 2009, 05:03:46 pm: Does this Statement officially mean, that Argonath's Government is too weak to control the streets? :lol:
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Eugene on August 15, 2009, 05:33:27 pm: It would be kinda cool if government would use the martial law (or what ever its called), and bring the army to the city to help control the streets..

Here is how to make it possible IG; add a quick scrip to the ARPD, that is like army skin and that character has M4, smg-mp5, and paper spray. And people who can use this skin are cadets and higher, so it wont turn into a total chaos. Have this script for like 1week-1month, and see how it goes. People will be exited to use army skin and has M4 as a cop, so therefor alot of people will want to use it = more cops = cleaner streets.

I know this is raw idea, and not well though, but im just saying what i came up with :razz:
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Wash on August 15, 2009, 05:39:48 pm: A small message to Argonath's Criminal Groups:

Congratulations! You have defeated the ARPD!
Despite many advantages they have you have managed to overcome these and conquer the great Argonath States.
I suggest you maintain the destruction, infact increase it!!
Annihilate the Argonath Government until they are forced to withdraw their divisions from San Andreas. Make sure they are humiliated to such a level where they will never show their mustached faces again.
Show no remorse, show no empathy, show no mercy. Destroy.

^{(( Only for RP purposes. No disrespect intended to the ARPD/Argonath Government. D: ))}

Quote from: Eugene on August 15, 2009, 05:33:27 pm
It would be kinda cool if government would use the martial law (or what ever its called), and bring the army to the city to help control the streets..

Here is how to make it possible IG; add a quick scrip to the ARPD, that is like army skin and that character has M4, smg-mp5, and paper spray. And people who can use this skin are cadets and higher, so it wont turn into a total chaos. Have this script for like 1week-1month, and see how it goes. People will be exited to use army skin and has M4 as a cop, so therefor alot of people will want to use it = more cops = cleaner streets.

I know this is raw idea, and not well though, but im just saying what i came up with :razz:

Forget M4s and SMGs..
Give them rocket lauchers, heat seeking missiles, grenades, miniguns. :neutral:

No, not really. This is the worst idea I have seen. D:
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Julian on August 15, 2009, 05:43:50 pm: Make Assault rifles, duals and combat shotguns more expensive in Ammu-Nation.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Eugene on August 15, 2009, 05:49:07 pm: Quote from: Wash on August 15, 2009, 05:39:48 pm

Forget M4s and SMGs..
Give them rocket lauchers, heat seeking missiles, grenades, miniguns. :neutral:

No, not really. This is the worst idea I have seen. D:

I just said my idea, because Im tired of pressing TAB button and seeing so much suspects,
for example me and cofi were suspects yesterday, we were picking someone up in LS, so we were rolling around that city witch was once full of cops, and now no one even tried to chase us. I even remember we stopped by some cop (officer, not cadet), cofi did /me rolls down the window, then we said Hello officer, he said hey guys, and he just drove away... in LS!

I dont like the idea that Criminals are running around city and cops not even trying to stop them.

Also the other day I was running my casino open, then some bikers showed up, started acting violent ending up killing 2 of my security, so i called 911, and no one showed up from police, not even 30 mins later.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Boxy on August 15, 2009, 05:51:04 pm: Quote from: Louis_Lombardi on August 15, 2009, 02:14:27 pm
why all of u wants money ?

if i get Unbanned i will clean the street for free...

You won't get unbanned for a while, buddy.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Allison on August 15, 2009, 06:09:43 pm: I'm already apart of the Ministry, Major in RavenWood.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Fedrico on August 15, 2009, 06:17:57 pm: *Federico Montana for some reason recieves a letter in his letterbox.

He reads:

A small message to Argonath's Criminal Groups:

Congratulations! You have defeated the ARPD!
Despite many advantages they have you have managed to overcome these and conquer the great Argonath States.
I suggest you maintain the destruction, infact increase it!!
Annihilate the Argonath Government until they are forced to withdraw their divisions from San Andreas. Make sure they are humiliated to such a level where they will never show their mustached faces again.
Show no remorse, show no empathy, show no mercy. Destroy.

*Federico smiles and goes back inside his house with the letter in his pocket.

------------------

OOC: I don't think it's worse now than a month ago :s
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: StatuZ on August 15, 2009, 06:46:09 pm: It's official. KICKASS. Freecops with miniguns will RULE TEH STREETZ
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Tanner on August 15, 2009, 06:53:51 pm: Quote from: StatuZ on August 15, 2009, 06:46:09 pm
It's official. KICKASS. Freecops with miniguns will RULE TEH STREETZ
Like freecops dont abuse enough as it is..the last thing they need is miniguns or any guns at all tbh lol.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: StatuZ on August 15, 2009, 07:06:31 pm: Quote from: Tanner on August 15, 2009, 06:53:51 pm
Like freecops dont abuse enough as it is..the last thing they need is miniguns or any guns at all tbh lol.
Hehe, just joking. Would be hilarious tho.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Tanner on August 15, 2009, 07:07:56 pm: Quote from: StatuZ on August 15, 2009, 07:06:31 pm
Hehe, just joking. Would be hilarious tho.
yah lawl
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: legacysh0t on August 15, 2009, 10:41:35 pm: Quote from: Playa on August 15, 2009, 12:59:23 pm
I can help
I will clean every day the street of preshing square
Do i get paid ?

It's not about getting paid this is the streets you always walk on you have to help it.

I will help Ron!

Signed,
(http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss148/psychotic_02/ldlegacysh0tsignature.png)
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Driggz on August 15, 2009, 10:45:26 pm: money money money, is that all you guys care about?
Wow
do it for free.....
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on August 15, 2009, 11:03:50 pm: Well you may have noticed but I recently owned a group called V-Army.
It's original name was V is for vigilante.
But when I asked how would ARPD cope in a thread on the site, they didnt take it seriously. They thought they could manage it, when I my self could see that ofcourse they needed help.
But as loyal as I was to the State of Argonath ((or w.e :D)) I carried on . They threatned to arrest Vigilante groups, even though I wished to have full support. I wanted to have an independant group. So it was now known as V-Army.

I wished to dismiss the V-Army on some grounds that it wasnt popualer.

Also this might seem off topic but maybe we could offer criminals / banned people an amnysty ((What i wanted in V is for Vigilante.)) or the state could start to issue community service instead of parole. Community service people could be yellow. And also jail fees can be higher. 1k :)

I know I have no real say / high role but i still will use "WE".

WE need to stop people from even thinking about "can i get away with it? Should i do it?" . We should show them that the STATE of ARGONATH is not going to bend backwards and watch there horror unfold, we as a state and a community will fight the criminals.

Also, I know this might be seen as moaning but... Seriously for some people in police groups they are allowed to do what ever they want when not on duty. This is complete failure of the Police. They should be tougher. And they should take on bored peoples suggestions and view. They think they run the place but, its turning out to be that bad gangs and Criminals are ruling. Warlords are not born from status but from power. The ARPD has low power so they wont be amongst the warlords fighting but will be amongst those who are enslaved in complete and utter fail.

I speak today as a Citezain of Argonath and a former but now COP BANNED regualer good hearted person. ((I should run for mayor xD))

--

Also I think its time to vote for a new mayor. :evil: / change of administration in some departments as its clear the top man of some departments canot cope and is struggling.

Post Merge: August 15, 2009, 03:05:28 am
I am taking this call for help from the president today seriously and may be looking to relaunch a group of my own. ((I will be un cop banned soon i think ^.^ ))
Post Merge: August 15, 2009, 01:08:33 pm
Quote from: Rorschach on August 15, 2009, 10:45:26 pm
money money money, is that all you guys care about?
Wow
do it for free.....

I would like to talk on money. Ofcourse there are those people out there who wish to simply buy a new house, but:

There are also people who do not have the funds to support them selfs if they would even try to help out the state.

Weapons cost money. Money costs time. Time costs effort and effort can only exist if you have the energy and care which ultimatly you need from food / good medical care which costs money.. Money makes the world go round.

Post Merge: August 15, 2009, 11:13:10 pm
*This letter arrives on the desk of the President- No1 else can see it ok :) - just play along.*

Dear President of Argonath.

I am a regualer Citezain of Argonath but one who has hopes and great dreams.

I have seen and have faced the miss managemant of the police on argonath.

I propose that you give the order to Ravenwood or another Official Militiary group to consider MARTIAL LAW .

This is not a request , its a choice. A Choice you have to make. A Choice which could win the hearts of a few but will benefit the most.

For too long has there been corruption and injustice from some volunteery officers who look to use the FREECOP status to make sure they dont end up in jail them selves.

-Yours faithfully.

IC. ((you dont know who they are :D))
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: schfifty on August 16, 2009, 12:02:50 am: FROM THE DESK OF THE MINISTRY OF GOOD INTENTIONS

To whom it may concern, I am General Luke of the Ministry of Good Intentions and Ravenwood. We have been commissioned by the government of the United States of Argonath to keep the peace between "organizations" and the citizens of Argonath. We expect all organizations to cooperate in this effort and to abide by the law. We have been authorized to use lethal force if necessary, however, we do not wish for situations to escalate that far. I will be personally contacting all organization leaders in the coming weeks. We hope that all will cooperate and help make Argonath a better place for everyone.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on August 16, 2009, 12:39:53 am: Quote from: schfifty on August 16, 2009, 12:02:50 am
FROM THE DESK OF THE MINISTRY OF GOOD INTENTIONS

To whom it may concern, I am General Luke of the Ministry of Good Intentions and Ravenwood. We have been commissioned by the government of the United States of Argonath to keep the peace between "organizations" and the citizens of Argonath. We expect all organizations to cooperate in this effort and to abide by the law. We have been authorized to use lethal force if necessary, however, we do not wish for situations to escalate that far. I will be personally contacting all organization leaders in the coming weeks. We hope that all will cooperate and help make Argonath a better place for everyone.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: StatuZ on August 16, 2009, 02:12:30 am: Quote from: schfifty on August 16, 2009, 12:02:50 am
FROM THE DESK OF THE MINISTRY OF GOOD INTENTIONS

To whom it may concern, I am General Luke of the Ministry of Good Intentions and Ravenwood. We have been commissioned by the government of the United States of Argonath to keep the peace between "organizations" and the citizens of Argonath. We expect all organizations to cooperate in this effort and to abide by the law. We have been authorized to use lethal force if necessary, however, we do not wish for situations to escalate that far. I will be personally contacting all organization leaders in the coming weeks. We hope that all will cooperate and help make Argonath a better place for everyone.
Now This is what we wanted to see for a while.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Stanley_Taylor on August 16, 2009, 02:38:48 am: To be completely honest this is a big failure of the ARPD. A failure that is parallel with the script.

Let me start with the script.

Almost every new player on the server wants to get to know the server with a job. They wanna use guns and there's one job where they can get a gun for free and that's being a cop. If I have to guess, I'd say about 75 percent doesn't even know how to speak locally and they're already on duty. This amazes me. This is why I don't tell any player how to get on duty before I see them speaking locally.

Then there's the big failure on ARPD itself.

Just face the facts: A lot of freecops deathmatch, aim without a reason (and especially use pepperspray without a reason), /su abuse and on and on and on. You could blame the script and you could also blame other cops not willing to help the new players.
There was a discussion on that, not too ago. Since then it has changed a lot. But it's still not enough. I still see some officers, rarely going on patrol with a random new freecop. These officers are pure egotrippers and would never admit they never or rarely patrol with freecops. I actually know some officers I have never seen in the same car with a freecop.
Eugene made a good point, some cops don't even chase. Lately I've been on patrol more often with officers and I thought that was cool, till I noticed some officers don't even chase. I wonder if this has to do because they 'like' the suspects or because they don't wanna be bothered with chases unless it's someone 'important'. Or maybe it's because they keep texting and they're busy with other stuff...but if that's the case, why the hell are they on duty, know what I mean?
Also, the radio has be used a lot more often. There are police groups like SACS and SASD for example and that's great. But when they talk about suspects they should use /r and not /cb/vent/teamspeak. And when you're on a voice program, you should use /r when you give the position of a suspect, unless you're driving by yourself, cuz then you can't do it all the time in /r.
I have to conclude that Gandalf is wrong about a certain thing. SAPD is not understaffed, it's understaffed by good cops who actually go after real illegal activities.

I have a lot of solutions for this I can think off.

Script solution:

You want to have cops who actually know the law and by doing so, not abuse anything because if ignorance.
Let a new player make a post on ARPD and apply to become a cop. Then you have a higher rate of freecops who have read the ARPD laws, without making up too much time of the ones who would be processing these 'Cop applications'. I suggest giving every officer the capability to be processing these applications.

Solutions on making the streets cleaner, by the ARPD:

The ARPD should increase it's effeciency and effectiveness regarding solving crime and preventing it.
1. Officers or Cadets should be actually leading other units instead of patrolling with each other. It would be best to have atleast one Cadet/Officer inside a police vehicle controlling the radio.
2. Senior Officers ought to keep their eye on areas where there is a higher crime rate and direct more units to these areas when necessairy. It would be best if there are officers/cadets posted on a few areas instead of everyone driving over the whole map. Then you could even account to them when there is a crime.
3. Post units on specific spots where people are usually speeding. This would be a great opportunity for cops to be handling with speeding and reckless driving.
4. More use of radio communication. I think I've explained this pretty clear above.
5. Getting rid of the corruption inside ARPD. Oh well what does he mean? I mean taking bribes and cops OOC liking the criminals and therefor not going after them. These cops should be cop banned and it doesn't ever happen. Fernando is just a tip of the ice berg and the ball should've started rolling a long time ago. Yet, no other high ranked cop got banned for corruption. I may be wrong, but that's all I know. Don't worry I'm not gonna say your names but we all know this is happening.
6. Have cops actually sitting at the desk to explain the new cops how everything works before you let them out the door.

It's a bit confusing to me what Gandalf really wants of the criminal organizations. But I can tell you this, if you're gonna give them permission to take matters in to their own hands if something 'bad' happens in their area, there's gonna be a lot of abuse.
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: SavioR88 on August 16, 2009, 04:28:07 pm: Hey /sticky
this is good idea
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: James_Alterlis on August 17, 2009, 05:48:59 pm: Join Alterlis Family & Legal Corporation (http://www.AlterlisCorporation.co.cc) to help clean the streets of USArgonath which is full of crimes!!!!!111oneone

:cop:
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Oliver on August 18, 2009, 09:44:11 am: Killing rival mafia members is cleaning the streets so I guess I'm a voulenteer :devroll:
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
Post by: Sago on August 19, 2009, 03:43:47 am: Quote from: Eugene on August 15, 2009, 05:49:07 pm
I just said my idea, because Im tired of pressing TAB button and seeing so much suspects,
for example me and cofi were suspects yesterday, we were picking someone up in LS, so we were rolling around that city witch was once full of cops, and now no one even tried to chase us. I even remember we stopped by some cop (officer, not cadet), cofi did /me rolls down the window, then we said Hello officer, he said hey guys, and he just drove away... in LS!

I dont like the idea that Criminals are running around city and cops not even trying to stop them.

Also the other day I was running my casino open, then some bikers showed up, started acting violent ending up killing 2 of my security, so i called 911, and no one showed up from police, not even 30 mins later.

* Techinacally we arent supposed to know your wanted :P, we don't see colored names in real life do we? *

To be honest, as a Officer of the ARPD we do our best to catch the criminals that reake havoc on the many argothenians. Wonder why we never chase you guys? Its because we have been working too hard to even be bothered and most of the people we deal with either want to cause trouble and get chased, or whip out a gun and blow our brains out for no apparent reason. I have learned to ignore some groups of people so i can make sure my job is efficient and that im doing my job correctly. Some of those criminals get to you and thus getting a case of "I don't give a shit anymore". I will never stop my police duties because its something i love and a few DM'ers, Flamers, RP ruiners could never take that away from me. Of course their are alot of good RP's but thats only 20% of daily police work. The other 80% is what i described above. Its a hard job and we can't respond to every 911 call or chase every single suspect.

I absolutely love the idea of other groups helping to maintain peace and order because even ARPD can't stop every single offence in San Andreas and will certainly do my best to help out.

@ Stanley_Taylor

You've brought up some good points but some of them have already been dealt with and discussed from within the arpd. More and more officers like myself have been riding with free officers giving them my knowledge of the force. This information is temporary and many of them forget it in a matter of hours. What they don't understand is that if you want to become apart of the arpd you have to work, study and show what you know properly. Many of the new players lean towards joining mafias rather then the police force, even i went to the Montanas and a few other groups before picking up the whole cop stuff. I was literally a "Bad-ass" drug dealer turned into a Respectable Police officer. The new players just need general server expierience and a chance to figure out what they want to do in Argonath since the possibilites are endless.

About the /cb /vent /r your were talking about, in the SACS vent there is ALOT of communication on location of suspects etc and the /cb is used for general chit chatting. Every single one of our officers go through an extensive training program to make sure they are ready to deal with situations correctly. One of the topics covered in the training program is communication so each and every single one of our officers are to report the situation in /r aswell as /vent so efficiency is the best it can be throughout not only our police division but, the whole ARPD aswell.

Sidenote:

Criminal activities in my eyes are contagious. One person sees the next person doing it and thinks its okay then they start doing it. Its like the dominoes effect and "Fads" in clothing. Plus running from the cops is fun! Believe me.. thats all i wanted to do when i first joined argo :)
Title: Re: Help to clean the streets :show our good intentions
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