Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Julian on August 15, 2009, 07:11:00 pm
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Well, I started this topic to talk about the guns in-game.
I've noticed that most people carry a huge arsenal of guns wherever they go.
Most people use Combat shotguns, dual Tec9's, dual Mic's and M4/Ak-47's. Even cops do.
I myself never use dual weapons. I mainly use Deagle's and SMG, since I think those are the most realistic and best Roleplay-weapons, since people in real life hardly ever use 2 guns and run around in circles to avoid behind hit, instead of taking cover behind an object.
Sometimes I use Combat shotguns and Ak-47/M4 if I'm fighting someone who uses duals/combats or some other heavy guns, but I wouldn't be bothered if Combat shotguns and dual weapons would be removed, or at least cost more.
Please don't see this as moaning, it's not meant to be seen as moaning, but I'm getting very pissed off very often (I think some other people feel the same) when I try to fight a good Roleplay-battle and my enemy just take out Tec-9's or Sawn-offs and start to run in Circles shooting with it, which in my eyes (And probably some others' too) is very unrealistic.
So I would like to see what people say about their favorite weapons, what weapons it is, and why. I also would like someone to help me how to start a poll to see what weapon is most popular by votes, not just by looking in-game.
I also had some ideas including this subject, so I will include it in this post.
One of the ideas are making guns more expensive, to make it more realistic, instead of people running around on the street killing cops with an M4 just because the cop pulled him over and the suspect didn't pay a ticket of $50.
The guns that could be easier to afford could be Desert Eagle, SMG, Pump-Action Shotgun and Silenced pistol.
The guns that could be harder to afford could be M4, Ak-47, Sniper, Combat shotgun and Dual weapons, since they are not very realistic (in my view), but I know alot of people like them, but alot of people also hate them, so they could remain accessable, but cost more, so both sides should be happy, and it could hopefully decrease moaning.
Or not, I might be wrong, I'm just suggesting.
And Perhaps there could be some weapon restrictions in the Gang War rules, that the weapons allowed could be Silenced Pistol, Deagle, SMG, Shotgun, AK-47 and M4 (Or something like that). Almost the same as above, both sides could be happy and don't moan that the other side uses dual weapons, which I've seen from time to time.
And I admit that I have moaned about dual weapons and Combats before too, since I usually get pissed off when someone kill me (Not in Gang war though) by suddenly just pull out a Combat shotgun and kill me with 4 quick shots, or pull out a pair of Sawn-offs or Micro Uzi's/Tec9's and start to run around like a ninja spraying bullets and are impossible to hit.
Once again, right now I'm not moaning, I'm just suggesting and I want to hear what people's favorite guns are. Please don't lock the topic.
And no offence to the people using dual weapons. :razz:
I know that it's just a game, but I think at least some people agree with me on this, and I know that something like this have been suggested before. :)
So please tell me what is your favorite weapon and why, and say what you think about the idea.
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Deagle, :war: AK-47, Combat, Sniper and SMG :sig: That's mine favourite i think.
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you got a point on this... Deagle,AK/M4,Combat,SMG,Knife and Tec9's but just in Drive-by then i'll use Tec9's but well looks niice Julian :D and dont forget :m4: :sig: you got killed :p looks very niice
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I remember in the days of RS3 when people would be so scared of losing weapons that they bought only one or two and only had them when they knew they would be using them or if they were generally paranoid. I for example carried a dessert eagle when I needed one or knew that someone was likely to attack me, otherwise I kept it stored
I see now people carry whole arsenals of weapons to sell them to random people, or go into a warzone with more guns than sense and then complain when they die
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My favourite weapon is the AK47 and the deagle :evil:
It would be cool with only one 9mm instead of dual
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I remember in the days of RS3 when people would be so scared of losing weapons that they bought only one or two and only had them when they knew they would be using them or if they were generally paranoid. I for example carried a dessert eagle when I needed one or knew that someone was likely to attack me, otherwise I kept it stored
I see now people carry whole arsenals of weapons to sell them to random people, or go into a warzone with more guns than sense and then complain when they die
Yes, it was better prices back then. I only carry a Desert Eagle when I'm not doing anything special where I need more firepower. (Kidnappings, etc)
Making the prices higher could also make room for more RP without guns, even if it's a fight.
Then melee weapons could be used more, which they hardly ever is right now.
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I usually wear a deagle with seven clips on me..
Sometimes a combat, too, but only as a RI habit.
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The Desert Eagle is the most powerful gun in San Andreas.
Though it's slow. Reacts like a normal shotgun. But still, there is no weapons beats the Deagle in strength.
I mean, it takes like 40% of someone's health, a shotgun takes perhaps 25%.
To be equipped with only 1 gun instead of 2, is impossible as it's SA:MP having control of that "issue", but all of you know that already. But yeah, if it only would be 1 gun, I would use it constantly.
As on topic, it's foreseen they wont remove those guns. If I'm wrong, pardon me.
Higher the prices - no one but the real richies would afford them.
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well Jul', it seems that SAMP Developpers have just make this come true :P No more duals in the next version... everyone will just shoot just as fair as the other :)
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well Jul', it seems that SAMP Developpers have just make this come true :P No more duals in the next version... everyone will just shoot just as fair as the other :)
Single handed uzis look cool D:.
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Single handed uzis look cool D:.
It sucks :D
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The Desert Eagle is the most powerful gun in San Andreas.
Though it's slow. Reacts like a normal shotgun. But still, there is no weapons beats the Deagle in strength.
I mean, it takes like 40% of someone's health, a shotgun takes perhaps 25%.
To be equipped with only 1 gun instead of 2, is impossible as it's SA:MP having control of that "issue", but all of you know that already. But yeah, if it only would be 1 gun, I would use it constantly.
As on topic, it's foreseen they wont remove those guns. If I'm wrong, pardon me.
Higher the prices - no one but the real richies would afford them.
Totally right. I'm not bragging but I was in a very good deathmatch clan before I joined Argonath and I can tell you deagle is better than any other walk weapon. If you disagree, you're simply a poor shot.
Concerning run weapons (duals), if people wanna use them they should go for it. I don't see any problem with it. If it's about rp wise, I see everybody jumping like some kind of a rabbit when they're in a fight and you hear nothing about that. :rofl:
However...the best solution for this is to add a rule in the gang validation you have with other gangs about what guns you can use and what not. It doesn't have to be with every gang, just the gangs who wanna add a rule like this.
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My favourites are: Deagle, Combat, AK/M4. I dont want Combats to be removed coz its not a non RP weapon. Combat is the weapon I use the most actually. I hate people who uses Dual Sawnoffs coz its actually inpossible to hold 2 Shotguns like that and shoot with sucha a low recoil... I mean: The recoil is mega big if you hold a shotgun like that in one hand. It would be better if there would be only 1 sawnoff in hands...
About the prices: The current prices are very realistic. I dont see the actual point of highering the prices...
Actually the main problem with this is that people HP isnt realistic. Tell me - How the hell its possible to survive 10-20 9mm bullets? :wow:
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My favourites are: Deagle, Combat, AK/M4. I dont want Combats to be removed coz its not a non RP weapon. Combat is the weapon I use the most actually. I hate people who uses Dual Sawnoffs coz its actually inpossible to hold 2 Shotguns like that and shoot with sucha a low recoil... I mean: The recoil is mega big if you hold a shotgun like that in one hand. It would be better if there would be only 1 sawnoff in hands...
About the prices: The current prices are very realistic. I dont see the actual point of highering the prices...
Actually the main problem with this is that people HP isnt realistic. Tell me - How the hell its possible to survive 10-20 9mm bullets? :wow:
The thing is that f**king everyone uses combat these days, even cops. Not many people use better RP weapons like Deagle and SMG. You don't even need any skills with a combat to kill someone, you can just shoot 7 bullets and one guy is dead, then reload for half a second, then you got another 7 bullets to kill another guy.
If you don't see why I said the prices should be higher then you probably didn't read the topic very clear. The reason is so people shouldn't be carrying a whole arsenal of guns just walking down the street. The heavier guns should be harder to get and melee weapons and handguns should be used more. Try to beat down a guy on the street with a knife/bat, etc and they will pull out a combat and kill you in a second without any RP at all.
Believe me, I've tried. Even if you got a gun they do that.
In real life, gangsters don't walk around with an AK or a Shotgun inside their coat every day, in that case they would probably have a handgun tucked somewhere instead. If there would be an SMG people use on the streets, it would probably be a Tec9 or a Mac10/Micro Uzi, but guns like MP5's and Uzi's are probably used too.
In GTA:SA, the Tec9's and Mac10's are duals, so the more realistic choice for a Sub-Machine Gun would be the SMG, since in Real life people don't walk around with TWO guns. And I know it's just a game, but still.
You can RP your SMG another gun, like I do, I RP my SMG a Mac10 for the moment.
And about the hp, use a Deagle and it's realistic. Think about it, if you use the Deagle as a regular pistol then it is realistic, since you don't always die by one shot of a 9mm or .45 pistol. Some people survive after over 3 shots, but I would say 3 shots is the average for one kill. If you wear body armor, you would probably be able to take 6 shots.
Totally right. I'm not bragging but I was in a very good deathmatch clan before I joined Argonath and I can tell you deagle is better than any other walk weapon. If you disagree, you're simply a poor shot.
Agreed.
Single handed uzis look cool D:.
Yeah man I think so too, it's a pitty that the dual guns is not single handed, then it would be alot better.
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Yeah man I think so too, it's a pitty that the dual guns is not single handed, then it would be alot better.
In SAMP .3 All dual guns will be wielded single handed.
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Yes I just read the topic about it, all I say is Yay! :D
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Well I understand your point... I am good with both guns. I have been playing in DM servers for about 8mouths-1year. I got too tired of shooting and killing all the time, Thats why I joined Argonath. I use combat coz its Automatic and its easyer to find Hitbox. I can kill with both weapons - deagle/combat in same amouth of time.
You can just shoot 7 bullets and one guy is dead, then reload for half a second, then you got another 7 bullets to kill another guy.- The Deagle is no difference - you can even kill 2 people with no reloading...
Ok back to the main point. People picks the weapons like Combat,Deagle,Duals to survive. How it would look if i would take baseball bat and go into a firefight and say that I cant afford a gun so i will use this stick!
Btw I support this ;) I just dont know what to do... Price changing is a good idea but not so realistic if one shotgun bullet would cost 50/100 bucks :lol:
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The combat shotgun is getting a non-rp weapon, most people who use it just run and jump like a bunny then stop very near to you and start shooting ... that's not reall RP ... That weapon should be removed ... after I sell my whole ammo of it xD
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Keep 'em coming.
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Fav Gatz: Deagle, MP5. :m4: :war: :sig: :sig:
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Fav Gatz: Deagle, MP5. :m4: :war: :sig: :sig:
Hell yeah, those are the best ones.
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Laws Enforcement Pack :cop:
Nightstick, Desert Eagle, MP5, Shotgun Pump-Action, M4, Grenade, NightVision Goggle, Pepper Spray :3
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In SAMP .3 All dual guns will be wielded single handed.
Actually, there will just be a script that allows you to change the weapon skill for each weapon with the ability. d:
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Actually, there will just be a script that allows you to change the weapon skill for each weapon with the ability. d:
Bite me Vince D:!!!!!!
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Actually, there will just be a script that allows you to change the weapon skill for each weapon with the ability. d:
So then, you can change between dual wield and single wield?
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Actually, there will just be a script that allows you to change the weapon skill for each weapon with the ability. d:
are you sure :/ ?
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Laws Enforcement Pack :cop:
Nightstick, Desert Eagle, MP5, Shotgun Pump-Action, M4, Grenade, NightVision Goggle, Pepper Spray :3
And all of this will be used to kick your ass.
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I only need my hands to kill : )
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Niice idea Julian :P my weapons are Deagle,Combat,Uzi and M4 :m4: :sig: :war: :sig:
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I used to play DM servers too ,
get tec9 and sawnoff , shoot with tec , sawnoff , tec 5 seconds ( your sawnoff reloads ) sawnoffs , Man Dead .
here's a FACT , this is NOT a DM server , if you use a sawnoffs and tecs like that your just a noob, nothing more . use Deagle , drive by tec or smg ( smg is 5 times better tho )
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I remember in the days of RS3 when people would be so scared of losing weapons that they bought only one or two and only had them when they knew they would be using them or if they were generally paranoid. I for example carried a dessert eagle when I needed one or knew that someone was likely to attack me, otherwise I kept it stored
I see now people carry whole arsenals of weapons to sell them to random people, or go into a warzone with more guns than sense and then complain when they die
That's because guns in RS3 costed A LOT more. I ONLY carried 50 rounds of deagle and RARELY 100 smg rounds because it costed $1500. You get 750 mic/tec rounds for $1500 now. Guns are cheaper than f*cking candy.
I carry 300 AK, 300 SMG, 100 combat and 100 deagle around with me nowadays...
Post Merge: August 18, 2009, 11:38:57 am
I only need my hands to kill : )
I can picture it now...
The SWAT team breached a hostage situation... Jay goes in first, followed by Leon. Then Pancher goes berserk, runs to a suspect and strangles him to death, followed by a powerful roar by the chief.
Post Merge: August 18, 2009, 09:40:27 pm
if you use a sawnoffs and tecs like that your just a noob, nothing more
dual tecs can be RPed if you're firing from cover....
I don't see how you'd be able to shoot two sawnoffs though.
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Mic is cool, if it removed i will cry. Why? mic power = 25 and you handed 2mics then it equals to 50 power. and it is so faster. Best gun in lag i think.
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Mic is cool, if it removed i will cry. Why? mic power = 25 and you handed 2mics then it equals to 50 power. and it is so faster. Best gun in lag i think.
yes its good but well its no fun if you have.. deagle and a guy run around you with micro uzi and kill you but i'll like micro uzi to but just in drive-by.. and i'll forgot julian i'll like katana too
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Mic is cool, if it removed i will cry. Why? mic power = 25 and you handed 2mics then it equals to 50 power. and it is so faster. Best gun in lag i think.
Mic is OK when it's used properly. Now I don't mean just taking out 2 uzis and start to run in circles shooting.
and i'll forgot julian i'll like katana too
Katana is not a gun.
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yes :p but i'll like it :P
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Personally, the desert eagle is my favorite, on duty, off duty, deagle all the way. Only use SMG when another police unit gives me one for a tire popping situation.
I personally find the idea of running around someone firing like madness is crazy, but sadly it is effective, because it counters for lag almost automatically. I don't like it, I never have done it, and I discourage others from doing it.
On another note, people who carry large caches of weapons, yes. I think it's downright crazy, because why buy so much? You are going to end up dead, or loose them in some exotic bug before you ever use them all, even a tiny amount. I don't like people who complain and say that someone owes them 10k for weapons, which is madness. You shouldn't carry around so many weapons and not expect to have losses.
Thats my opinion, anyway, deagle FTW :D, nice topic, good discussion.
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Poll added.
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Poll added.
niice that you added poll
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When you vote, please make a reply of what you voted.
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I voted Combat Shotgun, if used well can pwn any gun. My 2nd of course goes to Desert Eagle :)
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deagle :war:
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Fav. is SMG.
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Ultimate Deadly Combination is Desert Eagle,Combat Shotgun,Micro SMG,M4...I personally use these weapons.I voted for combat shotgun because I use it every day and it never dissapoints me :D
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What the hell ?! Im the only who likes Sawnoffs :hit:.
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What the hell ?! Im the only who likes Sawnoffs :hit:.
Sawn-offs are totally unrealistic and you just run in circles with them. It sucks.
Most mobsters today use Combats all the time though.
You don't even need any skills with Combat to kill someone. -.-
In my eyes, the best combination is a Deagle and an SMG. Only a Deagle is enough though.
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Actually it takes much skill to use Combat as opposed to the Sawn Off.
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I prefer Dessert Eagle than any other type of weapons (besides the MP5), I even have some comments for it.
The Dessert Eagle is the workhorse for us ground-pounders. Just holding it makes you feel like God’s own anti-son-of-a-b*tch-machine.
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Actually it takes much skill to use Combat as opposed to the Sawn Off.
You run next to a guy, shoot 4 times, run away. I fail to see the skill.
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I see Deagle has most votes at the moment. I still don't understand why I still see more Combat Shotguns than Deagles.
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I see Deagle has most votes at the moment. I still don't understand why I still see more Combat Shotguns than Deagles.
Desert Eagles, you can mostly roleplay easy with.
"/me unholsters the Desert Eagle". Plus that it is very strong/effective, not the fastest acceleration, but still a great gun.
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Desert Eagles, you can mostly roleplay easy with.
"/me unholsters the Desert Eagle". Plus that it is very strong/effective, not the fastest acceleration, but still a great gun.
Yes.
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bump.
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Voted Dual Mac-10.
Not that I am a low skill shooter, but because everyone I have 'fights' with ingame, have huge lag. (Gvardia being a main example -_-')
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Voted for Desert Eagle, it's a powerful weapon, and it's really cheap aswell. It looks cool too ;)
I could have voted for AK or M4, but those are too heavy in my opinion.
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AK-47 and M4 are cool, but assault rifles shouldn't be carried just walking down the street.
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Combat Shotgun for the win!
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Combat Shotgun for the win!
D:
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Reason everyone wears over 2 guns is because its so cheap to buy from an illegal weapons seller
plus, if you have good friends you usually get 2 magazines free and are able to buy more if you want to at a cheap ammu... which saves you over 1000$ mostly.
But I havent been on for a long time so it might have been changed o.o
plus saying a weapon is "non rp" just because its overpowered doesnt make sense... So what if a weapon is different and you can use it on many ways. it makes some weapons useless. Let me tell you that you can kill everyone with dual 9mms. Also with deagle or m4. Its the skill that counts
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There is some interesting discussion here.
Most interesting is the cause, low prices which guess what, is CRIMINALS fault for getting prices reduced.
I actually agree that some weapons ought to be higher priced, but to do so fairly would mean having to remove all weapon stocks, also the ammo purchase is under review as it is being abused
I cannot make decisions on this level alone and it is already one of the topics that has been discussed briefly for future re-development.
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AK-47 The best :D
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I have 2 favorites, and all have their reasons:
1. Desert Eagle - It is reliable, with great firepower, slow, but practicable, and easy to use and RP with.
2. AK 47 - If RP'ed properly with, like a real gun, it is the best gangbanging gun there is. Cheap (sort of), usable, durable.
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Voted Dual Mac-10.
Not that I am a low skill shooter, but because everyone I have 'fights' with ingame, have huge lag. (Gvardia being a main example -_-')
When you die, you die, dont find excuses.
Voted for M4 and Deagle, but mostly use combat.
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Well, uh.. is there anyone else who would like duals(running weapons) removed?
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Well, uh.. is there anyone else who would like duals(running weapons) removed?
Get MTASA 1.0 :D. From what I saw; 30 Round Magged, Single-Handed Macs.
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Sawn offs are my favorite
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Get MTASA 1.0 :D. From what I saw; 30 Round Magged, Single-Handed Macs.
:o
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Bump.
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Well, IMO, the weapons are so cheap because of the cheap "ammo" buy.
For example, the AK-47 is 2500$ ( example ) and the refill is 50$.
So a pretty smart guy sells it for 300$ + 1 ammo clip. The guy who bought the weapon will go to an ammunation, to buy more ammo, just 150$, and does the same and sells it for 300$ too...
Guy A = 2500$
Guy B = 300$
Guy C = 300$
Guy D = 300$
etc.
Because of all the weapons dealing others will sell lower and lower, because eventually everyone knows whos very cheap. then weapons get selled for 75$, maybe even lower with limited ammo.
Guy E = 240$
Guy F = 180$
Guy G = 100$
Guy H = 75$
... Then the first dealers start to see it and lower their price drastically too:
Guy A = 60$
Guy B = 55$
etc...
This happens on Argonath just like the drugs. But instead of drugs, weapons loses its worth fully. All is cheap everyone buys weapons everyone is armed. Of course thats all cool, so is the ammo system but you should either higher the prices of the ammo OR delete that idea. That way an AK-47 will be more likely be sold for 100$ per bullet. ( 83$ is value of a bullet without ammo refill. )
The bug is that you have 30 AK-47's worth of 2500$ and buying one ammo clip of 50$ can double it. One way is to divide ammo and weapons...
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The weapons should cost more so people don't walk around with shotguns, M4's and dual uzi's 24/7.
There is some interesting discussion here.
Most interesting is the cause, low prices which guess what, is CRIMINALS fault for getting prices reduced.
I actually agree that some weapons ought to be higher priced, but to do so fairly would mean having to remove all weapon stocks, also the ammo purchase is under review as it is being abused
I cannot make decisions on this level alone and it is already one of the topics that has been discussed briefly for future re-development.
If possible, please make the prices like back in RS3. :)
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I use Deagle and SMG in drive-by's.
Like Squeak said in the first page, SA:MP 0.3 will have duals guns single handed like 9mm's until you reach the Hitman Level.
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Yes, but the worst part will still be there, that you can run in circles with them, which most people do.