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Title: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Bilbo on August 18, 2009, 08:41:08 pm
EVEN if you're abused, evading cops makes your crime 100% VALID


So what to do if you're abused?
Don't scream in the main chat that you're abused, it doesn't help at all.
Dont flood /report, it doesn't help at all. Instead of that, type /gu and
talk with the cop or cops and solve the problem that way. That way
you get the cop to request unsuspect, which originally was and should
still be the only and correct way to get unsuspected. This way you also
teach a possible freecop to be a better cop which is, trust me a lot better
way than scream in main chat and make the freecop feel shame.

You might feel, that the cop or freecop deserves to feel shame but no, you're wrong.
This only makes the cops angry and aggressive and only makes the relations between
regulars and new players worse. If the cop refuses to request unsuspect even after
talking 5-20 minutes, then you can ask admin come and help in the case.

As for me, I just started college (or senior high-school), which means I'm 12 hours
away from home each day. I dont want to come ingame and get flooded with
requests of unsuspect although you're already evading. This decision was made
already one or two months ago, and it was announced very clearly. So everyone
should know it... although I should not bring my own life up to this, it's what admin
work is like. Hard work with low rewarding results as it turns out to be.

And as this has been told hundreds of times already, we admins cant make people
change, we cant make relations between regulars and new players better.
It's all up to you.

 :(


This topic was suppose to be just about that evading -thingy, but it turned out to be more.
This was my 1337'th post.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Seskom on August 18, 2009, 08:48:07 pm
100% Understand you icy but mostly if you /gu freecop cuffs you and jails you in PD straight away, So I usually evade till i find ARPD officer+
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Bilbo on August 18, 2009, 08:49:17 pm
100% Understand you icy but mostly if you /gu freecop cuffs you and jails you in PD straight away, So I usually evade till i find ARPD officer+

You dont have to follow the cop to the PD to be able to talk to him.
ARPD Officers cant help you either, even if you evade a freecop who registered 10 minutes earlier, evading is still evading.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Altair_Carter on August 18, 2009, 08:49:53 pm
So I usually evade till i find ARPD officer+
If i was that Officer+, i'd jail you right away with no explanations needed.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Seskom on August 18, 2009, 08:56:43 pm
If i was that Officer+, i'd jail you right away with no explanations needed.
Freecops cuff you, if you refuse to go with them they kill you. I can see you never been an suspect.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Terox on August 18, 2009, 09:18:30 pm
I Was banned today for shouting  :pop:
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Janicch on August 18, 2009, 09:20:35 pm
I Was banned today for shouting  :pop:

ZATS RAIT

Listen to Icy !! D:
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Oliver on August 18, 2009, 09:31:01 pm
Situation: You are hanging with your buddies, a cop suspects you for nothing and starts shooting at you. If you did /gu then you'd lose precious time and nerves. None of your high cop/admin friends are online so you can't request an unsus. Shouting "abuse" on /p doesn't work. /q would be script abusing.

Question: What the flying f*ck are you supposed to do?

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Tovenaarke on August 18, 2009, 09:56:00 pm
Nice topic Icy... I think some will open their eyes... (Well, I hope they do)

@ Oliver... if no admin is online (which I doubt), what else would you do than /q ? Higher cops CAN unsus, but they only can do after an investigation... so shouting... doens't mathers...

I can only suggest: RUN! (And yes, its possible to run away)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Oliver on August 18, 2009, 09:58:40 pm
I can only suggest: RUN! (And yes, its possible to run away)

EVEN if you're abused, evading cops makes your crime 100% VALID
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Seskom on August 18, 2009, 09:59:33 pm
Nice topic Icy... I think some will open their eyes... (Well, I hope they do)

@ Oliver... if no admin is online (which I doubt), what else would you do than /q ? Higher cops CAN unsus, but they only can do after an investigation... so shouting... doens't mathers...

I can only suggest: RUN! (And yes, its possible to run away)

Hah, look around at 5 cet or so, last time i was on that time there was no admins.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Tovenaarke on August 18, 2009, 10:02:29 pm
EVEN if you're abused, evading cops makes your crime 100% VALID

Better Idea?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: ElMartu on August 18, 2009, 10:52:40 pm
Hah, look around at 5 cet or so, last time i was on that time there was no admins.

5 AM CET? MIB, JayL, Squeak and me are all online, just to name a few night admins.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Stealth_Killer on August 18, 2009, 11:17:56 pm
The problem is not freecops, the problem is Newbies Freecopps! Its not the first nor the last time ill be abused by a noob freecop's /su just for getting money  :mad: ! The other day, as i was walking in frond of LSPD, a freecop /su me and killed me withour warning, without everything and when i asked him my 1k back, he logged off! Or an other time a freecop /su'ed me again and that time he was with 2 high rank officers... He was hitting me when my life was too small and the officers were telling him not to kill me, then he did, got in a car and started running. But do you know what is the most rediculus thing? Those n00bs, are getting defented by admins!! And the only thing admins say is: "But he is new on the server, bla bla bla..." this is sh*t!!! Instead of that, they (freecops) should get warned by admins ! ARPD MUST start training them !!!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Seskom on August 18, 2009, 11:20:24 pm
5 AM CET? MIB, JayL, Squeak and me are all online, just to name a few night admins.

Not always, Also 4-10 Cet i can bet you find place where theres no admins.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Pancher on August 19, 2009, 01:20:08 am
I believe we have a more active admin team then before. We cover more timezones!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Altair_Carter on August 19, 2009, 09:03:08 am
I can see you never been an suspect.
Because those times, when i was playing, and i was offduty as suspect, you never were online.
Quote
Freecops cuff you, if you refuse to go with them they kill you.
Do /gu and wait till they cuff you, then claim that you want an ARPD Officer+. If there's none, claim that you want an investigation, and dont let them to get you next to cells, because they need to be very close to it to jail you.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: MarioRinarri on August 19, 2009, 09:55:57 am
type /gu and
talk with the cop or cops and solve the problem that way. That way
you get the cop to request unsuspect, which originally was and should
still be the only and correct way to get unsuspected.
Oh, how smart of you...
You request unsus from admin, he tells you: "OMG GO CONTACT COP!!11"
You request the same from a cop and he says: "OMG PM ADMIN!"
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Marting_Riggs on August 19, 2009, 10:41:53 am
Oh, how smart of you...
You request unsus from admin, he tells you: "OMG GO CONTACT COP!!11"
You request the same from a cop and he says: "OMG PM ADMIN!"

that is true i did that 2day and it happened :(
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Bilbo on August 19, 2009, 04:37:21 pm
Tell the cop that you need a cop to request unsus...
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Gandalf on August 19, 2009, 05:22:50 pm
100% Understand you icy but mostly if you /gu freecop cuffs you and jails you in PD straight away, So I usually evade till i find ARPD officer+
Which means that:
1. you can get admin jail for disrespecting new players.
2. if the ARPD officer cancelsuspects you he can be banned from cop work.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Gandalf on August 19, 2009, 05:25:51 pm
Situation: You are hanging with your buddies, a cop suspects you for nothing and starts shooting at you. If you did /gu then you'd lose precious time and nerves. None of your high cop/admin friends are online so you can't request an unsus. Shouting "abuse" on /p doesn't work. /q would be script abusing.

Question: What the flying f*ck are you supposed to do?

Cops do not suspect for nothing in my experience. They do expect if you disrecpect them, like cops should.

What you are supposed to do is decide to /gu and let him take you to jail or fight.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Gandalf on August 19, 2009, 05:27:38 pm
The problem is not freecops, the problem is Newbies Freecopps! Its not the first nor the last time ill be abused by a noob freecop's /su just for getting money  :mad: ! The other day, as i was walking in frond of LSPD, a freecop /su me and killed me withour warning, without everything and when i asked him my 1k back, he logged off! Or an other time a freecop /su'ed me again and that time he was with 2 high rank officers... He was hitting me when my life was too small and the officers were telling him not to kill me, then he did, got in a car and started running. But do you know what is the most rediculus thing? Those n00bs, are getting defented by admins!! And the only thing admins say is: "But he is new on the server, bla bla bla..." this is sh*t!!! Instead of that, they (freecops) should get warned by admins ! ARPD MUST start training them !!!
I agree only with your last sentence.
As for the rest, if you know that LSPD has many new players around, why the hell do you insist on going and walk around there ?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Stealth_Killer on August 19, 2009, 07:36:42 pm
What do you mean ?  you saying that i mustnt walk / today i was stopped in the middle of the road to answer a PM and a freecop smashed my car! When i got out of the car he had as an excuse that i was running !!! Then he demanded to give him $80 and he forced me to pay him !!! This is rediculus
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Bilbo on August 19, 2009, 07:44:41 pm
Teach him and tell him the rules. The "abusive freecops" keep doing the same thing if you dont tell them the correct rules/methods.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Gandalf on August 19, 2009, 07:48:32 pm
What do you mean ?  you saying that i mustnt walk / today i was stopped in the middle of the road to answer a PM and a freecop smashed my car! When i got out of the car he had as an excuse that i was running !!! Then he demanded to give him $80 and he forced me to pay him !!! This is rediculus
Ok so you are a cop driving on the road and the car in front of you suddenly stops because the driver is operating his telephone or something like that. You crash in to him, as you can never expect a car stopping without reason, and then he is not agreed on getting a fine ?
Probably you are one of those guys who think they have 1337 RP skills....
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Stealth_Killer on August 19, 2009, 08:00:24 pm
WTF ? Now i got the blame x@ !!!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: hijol_goswami on August 19, 2009, 08:34:27 pm
i went off duty once then one 2 freecops came out of nowhere and /su me then started shooting me no one helped! that should get fixed
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Jcstodds on August 19, 2009, 09:02:01 pm
I agree except with the /gu command. As /gu I think is completely anti RP.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Strah_Silence on August 19, 2009, 09:05:24 pm
all of your are right in some ways...

but, i agreed with Stealth_Killer...
The problem is not freecops, the problem is Newbies Freecopps! Its not the first nor the last time ill be abused by a noob freecop's /su just for getting money  :mad: ! The other day, as i was walking in frond of LSPD, a freecop /su me and killed me withour warning, without everything and when i asked him my 1k back, he logged off! Or an other time a freecop /su'ed me again and that time he was with 2 high rank officers... He was hitting me when my life was too small and the officers were telling him not to kill me, then he did, got in a car and started running. But do you know what is the most rediculus thing? Those n00bs, are getting defented by admins!! And the only thing admins say is: "But he is new on the server, bla bla bla..." this is sh*t!!! Instead of that, they (freecops) should get warned by admins ! ARPD MUST start training them !!!


expecaly with this Those n00bs, are getting defented by admins!!  
and this...ARPD MUST start training them !!!

here is how i handle with that...
KILL THEM ALL!!! after that i send them in PM: read rules!!!  :D

and that works in most cases!!!  ;)
they must learn theirs place in this society! when they got killed, suddenly they realize that they are not Gods, there are players who will kill them, not evade!


Yesterday, some new freecop pull over behind me, and he carjacked me...because i allways lock my car, he couldnt take car! when he exit fomr car i killed him, and send in PM: carjacking is NOT allowed, read rules!
After that, he finded me, carjacked me again, and /su for HE KILLED ME WHEN I EXIT CAR...well, i killed him again  :rofl:, and sent him : Dont abuse, and read rules again!

well, i know that i DMed him, but he learned lesson! :)
and thats the point, right?
i am tired of talking with them, cause they ignore me! killing them after that sending them message is only way how we regular players can teach them how to behave!

we must show them who is in charge, and show them that ther are not GODS how they acting like, and how they want to be!

yes, i brake the rules, but in that way, i teached him to not brake rules.
If he abuse me, he got killed! if he asked me pleasantly for help, i help him, and even give him some money for begining!  ;)

i am not so bad  :cool:

and yes, new freecops attack other cops too!
very often they atack suspect, who is cuffed, and in that case i told that suspect to /gu again, and i told them to not atack him, he is cuffed, i will handle it! but, if they continue to doing that, i kill them (once i killed 5 freecops because of that), and cuff again my suspect!  :D
so, i rather save my surrenderd suspect and kill those freecops, then let them to kill him, just because he have orange name...
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Gandalf on August 19, 2009, 10:42:21 pm
Not only freecops DM....not only freecops break rules.
That is the first thing you should understand.

The second thng is that this topic is about requesting cancelsuspect from admins when you have already been running away from the cops that suspect you.

If any player breaks the rules by DM, they will get in trouble when reported. If any freecop regularly abuses, he will get banned from being a cop, and banned from server if continues to DM.

BUT......

If players do not even take the time to see if they have a rulebreaker or someone who wants to learn and right away start disrespecting and flaming they are the ones who get in trouble. Do admins defend the freecops ? Only if the players break the rules by flaming and disrecpecting.
So if any of you uses /gu and then /report there is a good chance that an admin will witness if the cop breaks the rules and punish. If you start whining and running, you should not expect any help.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: James_Alterlis on August 20, 2009, 10:28:41 am
BUMP

This should be on first page or stickied
So people can see it right away
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Duncan_James on August 20, 2009, 11:28:09 am
What you Said IcyAero can be applied ONLY with SAPD Officers and Up

NOT with a freecop who can't wait to jail you for 200seconds to get $$$
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Gandalf on August 20, 2009, 11:48:58 am
What you Said IcyAero can be applied ONLY with SAPD Officers and Up

NOT with a freecop who can't wait to jail you for 200seconds to get $$$
This topic is ESPECIALLY for people who evade freecops.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: RastaKing on August 20, 2009, 12:14:44 pm
You know the funny thing is that i did exactly what IcyAero did but yet
i talked with them said i was feeling abused because an suspect was following me ( not in the same car !! ) and i didnt ram/giving the suspect advantage and a freecop suspected me for '' help the sus ''
So the suspect died and he was after me, i was still at the point where he /su me with /gu.
I talked with him and we couldnt get out of it so i PM'd 2 admins but no reply ( thank you )
So after PMing some admins and waiting, more freecops were comming and just shot me dead !!

I have seen if a cop kills an suspect that did /gu loses $250
but i still lose $1000 WTF
Maybe u can disable the -$1000 after u did /gu because if ur getting DM'd by cops while u did /gu u still lose $1000 which isnt fair.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Jerry on August 20, 2009, 12:24:40 pm
I tried what you Ice,but when ever i did /gu and stop to explain i got hited be a night stick and pepper spray saying i did cooperate and they where HIGH RANK OFFICERS.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Gandalf on August 20, 2009, 01:02:28 pm
You know the funny thing is that i did exactly what IcyAero did but yet
i talked with them said i was feeling abused
Wrong way of talking.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Strah_Silence on August 20, 2009, 05:46:28 pm
I have seen if a cop kills an suspect that did /gu loses $250
but i still lose $1000 WTF
Maybe u can disable the -$1000 after u did /gu because if ur getting DM'd by cops while u did /gu u still lose $1000 which isnt fair.


maybe u should make that cop who kill surrendered suspect lose 2000$!
i think that is fair!
if i was enough creditable to /gu, then cop should be the same creditable to not kill me!

thats the reason why i /gu only to cadets and officers, and kill other cops until some officer or cadet come to me... :D
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Violet on August 23, 2009, 06:06:45 pm
Im an active admin who plays in the night time, as well as day time. If I see someone abused as admin, with an invalid reason such as lol, then I will unsuspect you. If you feel abused, and an officer investigates and informs me that you were abused, you will also be unsuspected. If cops constant abuse and deathmatch they will get copbanned, but of course I will try to make them better cops before that.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Gandalf on August 23, 2009, 06:31:43 pm

maybe u should make that cop who kill surrendered suspect lose 2000$!
i think that is fair!
if i was enough creditable to /gu, then cop should be the same creditable to not kill me!

thats the reason why i /gu only to cadets and officers, and kill other cops until some officer or cadet come to me... :D
So your getting banned to play as cop did not change you ? next time full ban....
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Strah_Silence on August 23, 2009, 06:41:43 pm
So your getting banned to play as cop did not change you ? next time full ban....


What?
I just saying that is not fair to shot surrenderd suspect, just to kill him...
OK, ban me if u want...

u didnt get it what i wanted to say, but nvm...
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Oliver on August 23, 2009, 08:21:15 pm
u didnt get it what i wanted to say, but nvm...

Was what you MEANT to say "I only /gu when there are no freecops around because they are noobs and will only kill you anyways."
Did I hit the bullseye?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: MikeUK on August 23, 2009, 08:40:35 pm
I must say, all the people complaining, this system WORKS I was suspected because I crashed and my car was driving in circles. I /gu (I did /crime on me first) and a cadet came and asked me what happened and I was unsuspected, so don't whine, it works.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Chase on August 23, 2009, 08:56:45 pm
I agree with IcyAero. If a suspect can't handle being abused in a mature way, he needs to be arrested anyway.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - Suspects
Post by: Pandalink on August 23, 2009, 09:09:44 pm
If you feel abused but are unable to get a cancelsuspect, then fight your way out of the LSPD and get to a car.
You must then proceed to escape to the Bone County / Tierra Robada area.
At this time you must wait to escape.
This may be 46 minutes based on how many waves of cops you murdered to escape.

Simple enough? :>
 :lol:

But on a serious note, if you shoot back or run away, you are instantly not cancelsuspectable. because cancelsuspectable is a word now
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