Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Cofiliano on September 01, 2009, 01:42:14 am
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I got tempban by my good friend Wolfe for "re-gaining health in combat"...
We had a fight outside our HQ, with Police, and i was low on HP, cause of wich i went inside our HQ, went to the bar, and bought Milk. After going outside, and going outside the compound ( since the fight was outside the compound also ), Wolfe ask me in public chat:"How did i get hp back ? " . I answer him: "From Our bar inside our HQ?". I put the "?" sign on the end, since Wolfe himself was using it when he was in Gvardia, togheter with other people, from Admins, Cops, etc.
Now if you try buying products from the bar, when cops are inside HQ, the scripts doesnt allowed you. ( you get a message: "Cops are too close, for you to buy products" aka regain HP " ).
I never saw ANYONE get tempban/warn/kick etc cause of this, Eugene, Hell and many more Admins( even Wolfe did it multi time ), did the same thing, so i wanted to hear, is this situation, since when, and how, punishmentable?
What woud happend if i was shoting cops, and just went inside some Food Place, and regain my HP? Is it the same situation?
NOTE: This is note a complain of any kind, i just want to solve this issues, since its not resolved to details. Other people can and will do the same in future without knowing its against the rules.
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it is fair i guess
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There is a scrip that stops criminals from get health if cops is close enough, if the cops are to far away it may be used by criminals to drink milk or take a beer.. :drunk:
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It's allowed, but not really fair.
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The HQ is not supposed to have a bar, there for it is using a glitch of the interior.
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It's allowed, but not really fair.
how come ? u need to survive man :D
Post Merge: September 01, 2009, 10:37:34 am
The HQ is not supposed to have a bar, there for it is using a glitch of the interior.
Every Corleone interior got a bar and if you do /pricelist near it it shows you what u can buy like a normal bar, it cant be a glitch/bug since it can only be done near the bar.
Maybe Daniel scripted it befor he brought the map to Argonath.
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the bar interiors all got /pricelist and you can buy things from it, even original ones so it aint a glitch in interior...
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the bar interiors all got /pricelist and you can buy things from it, even original ones so it aint a glitch in interior...
That is not true, there is an interior with a bar where u can buy nothing.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=111
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That is not true, there is an interior with a bar where u can buy nothing.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=111
Hey i Build that Interior :D anyway yea indeed you cant buy stuff there
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Hey i Build that Interior :D anyway yea indeed you cant buy stuff there
I could, when I had that interior inside my house O.o
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The HQ is not supposed to have a bar, there for it is using a glitch of the interior.
Guess it's not allowed then, or did i misunderstand.
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That is not true, there is an interior with a bar where u can buy nothing.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=111
Thats cause its not original.
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The interior is used in houses and houses are not supposed to have bars - businesses only
The script which stops criminals from buying items such as milk in interiors while the police are near fails in cases like this. Why? Because if a police officer is outside the house or business and someone buys milk inside, the distance is gigantic as the suspect is inside an interior which is very far away...
There IS a way of changing this and it will be worked on along with some other things as there are some changes to this system currently in need
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The interior is used in houses and houses are not supposed to have bars - businesses only
Why not? I mean, upper-class houses can have mini bars, now don't they?
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Why not? I mean, upper-class houses can have mini bars, now don't they?
In real life, yes
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What woud happend if i was shoting cops, and just went inside some Food Place, and regain my HP? Isnt this the same situation?
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'solving the issue' - stop being so lame, and fight like a man that you claim to be. :neutral:
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Why I considered an Unfair Advantage ? We cops are on the street shooting at you all, When you guys get 1 hp Run inside health back to full And we don't get such Advantage also..nd for the tempban, I believe I asked many admins at the time wich also considered right..since it was an Unfair advantage
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Hmm but there is a script where cops can enter interior and stop all suspects from the ability to regain HP.
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We cops are on the street shooting at you all, When you guys get 1 hp Run inside health back to full And we don't get such Advantage also..
And on the other hand you cops have an advantege to come back after death, and we dont, wanna trade ?'solving the issue' - stop being so lame, and fight like a man that you claim to be. :neutral:
Yes, solving the issue, so people woud know is it allowed or not, since even admins are not sure is it against rules or not, many of them told me it is, many of them told me its not. And the only lame thing here its you posting a comment like this, without any fact or postive goal, exept annoying and provoking.
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Why I considered an Unfair Advantage ? We cops are on the street shooting at you all, When you guys get 1 hp Run inside health back to full And we don't get such Advantage also..
Why not hide behind a car, call for back up, and call for ambulance,
:ps: this is a RP server btw ;)
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Personally, I think that this is irritating. The number one scene for shootouts because of its secure, one main opening and high fence wall also happens to be a hospital catered for the shooters.
and call for ambulance,
:ps: this is a RP server btw ;)
An ambulance takes time to respond that far, the police officer knows that he can't call the ambulance near the site for public safety, running from cover to get around a corner to get to the ambulance is much different then /enter, walk, /buy milk, /exit, and start shooting.
Once the officer leaves cover, he is exposed until he gets to a corner, when the suspect /enter, and he is completely safe from harm.
If the officer is using a car for cover, he can't use it to get to the medic, for 2 main reasons. 1, he would lower the amount of cover and possibly leave the suspects a wider way to escape, 2, the vehicle could very easily be shot and explode, both ruining his cover, and transportation, and possibly furthering his injuries.
This is a role-play server, is milk a standard form of medical treatment?
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This is a role-play server, is milk a standard form of medical treatment?
Tis' not be a Real Life RP server, scurvy dawg.
On a serious note, I agree with Cofi, law enforcement gets to return after death, so just spawn reset outside SFPD for a Gvardia shootout. Or, set a ambulance(have a officer be one) not far from the HQ, like the the west side of the Vank Hoff hotel. Just have the ambulance refund people. This isn't that hard to plan out.
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Tis' not be a Real Life RP server, scurvy dawg.
On a serious note, I agree with Cofi, law enforcement gets to return after death, so just spawn reset outside SFPD for a Gvardia shootout. Or, set a ambulance(have a officer be one) not far from the HQ, like the the west side of the Vank Hoff hotel. Just have the ambulance refund people. This isn't that hard to plan out.
Police can return after death because they are a police force, consisting of a large number of units.
This isn't a real life server (Or a pirate one :roll:) but the server does have a degree of realism. So, perhaps if a police officer is in a police car, he can heal himself with a first aid kit? It may just be first aid, but if you can drink milk and regain from bullet wounds. . . .
Hmm but there is a script where cops can enter interior and stop all suspects from the ability to regain HP.
There are also normally 2-5 suspects remaining outside keeping the police from gaining entry. . . .
What woud happend if i was shoting cops, and just went inside some Food Place, and regain my HP? Isnt this the same situation?
Considering the food place is a real business, and is supposed to have the food, no.
Reguardless, the HQ shouldn't have the bar in it anyway, as mentioned above. I hope it is fixed, soon.
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If you want some degree of realism, have you ever thought that police departments don't have a infinite amount of officers, especially if the city has normally 5 awake(logged-on) residents inhabiting it?
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Perfectly valid in my eyes, the interior is a house interior and not a business one.
I specifically organise AR Complex fights so that we have a quick jump to the HP in the business, and I strategically lock it so that cops cannot use my business for this whilst we are not actually inside.
Cops should storm the house if this is happening.
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If you want some degree of realism, have you ever thought that police departments don't have a infinite amount of officers, especially if the city has normally 5 awake(logged-on) residents inhabiting it?
Have you ever thought a large percent of those inhabitants shouldn't be cop-killers hold up in a compound? Have you ever thought that police should not have to pay for armour because it is standard issue? Or that Kevlar vests can't actually be bought by a store legally, so they should be removed for non-police? Or that perhaps the mint should be state property, and Gvardia should find a new home? Or that an observatory shouldn't be a home, but should be an observatory? Etc, etc, etc.
I never said I wanted more realism, I said that there IS realism.
And police forces in such a large city such as San Fierro, Los Santos, or Las Venturas would be exceptionally large.
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There is nothing wrong with the police returning. Their lack of ability to not die constantly was shown during the test where they couldn't return.
It was like a bloody execution, I tell you. After I had diapatched the lot I had to jump off a building as I had murdered every cop in the entire world and could not get cancelsuspected (in RS3).
Not good.
In return for the cops generally being suicidal kamikaze gunners, they are allowed to return to, once again, kamikaze at us and try once again to be an hero.
And no, that isn't a grammar mistake.
:>
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Think about this:
Shootout @ Gvardia HQ:
Cops have lined up ambulances around the corner, and lets say gvardia doesn't have the bar..
Cops run back to the ambulance for health. Fair? No.
Everytime theres a Code 30 with gvardia ( Multiple times each day..) Its the same exact situation but gvardia's having the bar and the cops not having the ambulances..
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Think about this:
Shootout @ Gvardia HQ:
Cops have lined up ambulances around the corner, and lets say gvardia doesn't have the bar..
Cops run back to the ambulance for health. Fair? No.
Everytime theres a Code 30 with gvardia ( Multiple times each day..) Its the same exact situation but gvardia's having the bar and the cops not having the ambulances..
The mafia should have the feeling of no way out. That is the point of surrounding the place, the police can run to an ambulance, but it will lower the integrity of the blockade. Plus, their bar is not supposed to be existant.
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Personally, I think that this is irritating. The number one scene for shootouts because of its secure, one main opening and high fence wall also happens to be a hospital catered for the shooters.
An ambulance takes time to respond that far, the police officer knows that he can't call the ambulance near the site for public safety, running from cover to get around a corner to get to the ambulance is much different then /enter, walk, /buy milk, /exit, and start shooting.
Once the officer leaves cover, he is exposed until he gets to a corner, when the suspect /enter, and he is completely safe from harm.
If the officer is using a car for cover, he can't use it to get to the medic, for 2 main reasons. 1, he would lower the amount of cover and possibly leave the suspects a wider way to escape, 2, the vehicle could very easily be shot and explode, both ruining his cover, and transportation, and possibly furthering his injuries.
This is a role-play server, is milk a standard form of medical treatment?
It shouldnt take a very long time to call for back up and ambulance.
just park police car 1 block away from our HQ, hide behind ur cruiser and call for back up, and ambulance. When ambulance arrives, have it parked a block or 2 away from HQ not to get in the line of fire.
just think of IRL, if cops see there is a more then 1 heavily armed suspect shooting things around, would cops charge the suspects and start exchanging fire with them? No. They would call for back up, ambulance, fire department, and even SWAT (at least in USA). I know this is not RL server, but im just saying... why not use this, to make more RP if you would like to.
:ps: there is an 2 ambulances and hospital 2 blocks from Gvardia HQ.
Think about this:
Shootout @ Gvardia HQ:
Cops have lined up ambulances around the corner, and lets say gvardia doesn't have the bar..
Cops run back to the ambulance for health. Fair? No.
criminals can return after death?
so no need to talk about 'fairness' here.
thank you.
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It shouldnt take a very long time to call for back up and ambulance.
just park police car 1 block away from our HQ, hide behind ur cruiser and call for back up, and ambulance. When ambulance arrives, have it parked a block or 2 away from HQ not to get in the line of fire.
just think of IRL, if cops see there is a more then 1 heavily armed suspect shooting things around, would cops charge the suspects and start exchanging fire with them? No. They would call for back up, ambulance, fire department, and even SWAT (at least in USA). I know this is not RL server, but im just saying... why not use this, to make more RP if you would like to.
:ps: there is an 2 ambulances and hospital 2 blocks from Gvardia HQ.
Medic = Not always on, and certainly not always close.
Milk = Inside the HQ anytime you please, with a 10 second walk to it, and a quick command back into action.
SWAT = Not always on, again, the milk is always there.
Parking A Block Away = Everytime I do that, the suspects charge the blockade and kill me LONG before backup arrives, and not just new players who know you can't charge the police, some of Gvardia's highest ranks.
Charging Suspects = If I decide to ever charge, I do damage, if not, I get killed by some bull shit sniper shot.
All of this unrelated stuff aside, the bar is already defined as not supposed to be there, and I only reply for my own sanity.
Towards Cofiliano's comment below:
Remember, we aren't all SASD and SACS members. The SASD and SACS have the highest level of training, because they work extremely hard to give training to all their members, which is why I encourage people, especially new police units, to join them. SASD and SACS do bring medical units, but the principle is that their ambulances are supposed to be there. You did get your answer. I would like to stress that the bar, is not supposed to exist, thus being the reason for the tempban (Which you already know from other's posts). I would also like to point out that again, the bar is always there, it doesn't have a sign that says "Out Of Order" because someone isn't there to be the bartender. The EMT is not. A police unit can always, yes go off police duty, and then go on medic duty, and then respond to the scene. That results in a lack of a unit, which is critical for the first 1-15 minutes because there are not enough units to secure the scene. A police officer on duty is told that when a Code 30 goes out, through hell or high water you are to get to the location, as soon as you can get there, no questions asked. Leaving the scene, to go off police duty at SFPD, drive to the hospital, go on duty, grab an ambulance and get back the site is not probable, especially when shots are actively being exchanged. Financially, it seems that the criminal world is far richer then the law enforcement one. I was told at one point, recently, that a police unit can never purchase weapons. They must be issued. To my surprise, I found this to be true to a lot of police units. Yes we can return after death, and you cannot, and I am sure that matters, but does it really matter so much when you won't die? Police have to reorganize, then they respond. And if you have ever listened to the police radio when an active shootout is occurring at your HQ, you would know a lot of units don't want to go back, and some don't, because of these reasons. So fairness? I don't expect any "fairness" from either side, one side is bound to have an advantage at one point, and the other at another, that's the way it works, and I know that.
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Medic = Not always on, and certainly not always close.
Milk = Inside the HQ anytime you please, with a 10 second walk to it, and a quick command back into action.
SWAT = Not always on, again, the milk is always there.
Parking A Block Away = Everytime I do that, the suspects charge the blockade and kill me LONG before backup arrives, and not just new players who know you can't charge the police, some of Gvardia's highest ranks.
Charging Suspects = If I decide to ever charge, I do damage, if not, I get killed by some bull shit sniper shot.
All of this unrelated stuff aside, the bar is already defined as not supposed to be there, and I only reply for my own sanity.
Lets get something straight: YOU can Return after death, we CANT- I find this More irritating, then our bar. Also in 90 precent of combats with Law Force, Mostly SASD, ALLWAYS have ambulance with them, and they normaly use it, wich i find normal, and fine.
Now imagine, in situation when we are in a combat, in some other place:1) YOU get ambulance to regain HP 2) You can return after death Us? No Advantege at all, wich makes you have more then two advantege, so enough about fairness, since we dont "moan, complain" etc about your advantege.
Like Eugene said, SF Hospital is NEXT to Gvardia HQ, and there is allways 2 ambulance.
I made this topic NOT TO have a debate, but to get a straight answer, i got it, its allowed, deal with it.
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since when has the attackers have more / the same advantages than the defenders, huh?
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This isn't a team deathmatch server to have combat situations equal between cops and criminals.
And criminals are actually meant to avoid police when committing crimes, not just do crimes in public and then run.
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This isn't a team deathmatch server to have combat situations equal between cops and criminals.
And criminals are actually meant to avoid police when committing crimes, not just do crimes in public and then run.
Exactly
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This isn't a team deathmatch server to have combat situations equal between cops and criminals.
And criminals are actually meant to avoid police when committing crimes, not just do crimes in public and then run.
its not like: OMG cops, lets run..
if they want to fight, they fight, not like whine or anything.. suss can use ambulances too, so?
and cops can return? again? I remember that they couldn't...
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Actually read Gandalf's reply first page he states this is glitching which far as i can remember isn't allowed.
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The problem I see is that you can buy milk etc when you are far from the bar itself...
If it was altered so that you can only buy the drinks within a couple of metres of the bar, then this would be more fair and actually less abusable
Let's face it - you can't buy milk from thin air
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u know what's my opinion on it? since cops can return to rp, i think criminals should have it as an advantage. all i can say is that.
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Let's face it - you can't buy milk from thin air
But Squeak can use telepathy(I'm not opposed to him using it).
Allowing players to not be realistic, but forcing commands to be realistic is just meh(again, I'm not opposed, nor do I really care outside of this discussion).
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The problem I see is that you can buy milk etc when you are far from the bar itself...
If it was altered so that you can only buy the drinks within a couple of metres of the bar, then this would be more fair and actually less abusable
Let's face it - you can't buy milk from thin air
acualy you have to enter that room that bar is in to buy drinks/milk.
when u enter HQ u can not buy it. only inside that room.
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acualy you have to enter that room that bar is in to buy drinks/milk.
when u enter HQ u can not buy it. only inside that room.
Not true, you can be up to 20 metres away
This enables you to do it from the corridor outside, VERY close to the entrance
I know, I tested it
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its not like: OMG cops, lets run..
if they want to fight, they fight, not like whine or anything.. suss can use ambulances too, so?
and cops can return? again? I remember that they couldn't...
I meant not getting wanted in the first place - commit crimes silently.
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I meant not getting wanted in the first place - commit crimes silently.
Indeed.
But the last traffic stop I was in, the passenger exited and killed me with an M4 in less then 5 seconds. I asked him in PM to explain to me how that was a justified kill, he replied that he is in a mafia, and he hates cops.
And that, has happend on more then one occasion, and not with any player, some with Argonath's regulars.
And when it comes down to it, the bar is not supposed to exist, and shouldn't be used.
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The problem I see is that you can buy milk etc when you are far from the bar itself...
If it was altered so that you can only buy the drinks within a couple of metres of the bar, then this would be more fair and actually less abusable
Let's face it - you can't buy milk from thin air
Well, let's face it, that milk can't cure bullet wounds too.
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Well, let's face it, that milk can't cure bullet wounds too.
pizza can? :lol:
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My opinion ? Disable Bar things giving health ? It's pure nonsense, Now as most People say, Put ambulances a block away. SF Hospital = 1 block away from Gvardia HQ, Make a script to be able to heal in the Hospital..And if cops try to go in the HQ, Thye have to run through 20 gvardias at the main gate with cars, Go inside where they'l get killed in 1 sec by other 20 guys waiting at the door, he wont be able to shoot back due to being freezed..Impossible ? Yes..
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Go inside where they'l get killed in 1 sec by other 20 guys waiting at the door, he wont be able to shoot back due to being freezed..Impossible ? Yes..
isn't it against the rules and bannable to spawn kill someone?
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Not as far as I know D:
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Shooting someone when they log in/respawn after death is spawnkilling, and highly punishable.
Shooting someone when they enter/exit interiors is not spawnkilling, and allowed.
The thing I see with this thing... that instead of cops, if this was another group, such as I have seen first hand as a Corleone, Gvardia can get away with having a Corleone inside the HQ who is shooting them and spamming /buy milk to regain HP once shot to near death.