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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Pandalink on June 17, 2007, 02:52:07 am

Title: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 17, 2007, 02:52:07 am
*Note*
I fully understand that Argonath does not support the idea of Gang Territories/Turfs. This is merely for my own curiosity.
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I notice that gangs tend to operate in specific areas of San Andreas. For my own curiosity, I wouldn't mind drawing up a little territory map of San Andreas Argonath.

If you're a leader of a Group - then PM me this map with your claimed "area" marked.

(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9614/sanandreasmapep6.th.jpg) (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanandreasmapep6.jpg)

LV is not yet done, I will do it over next week.

If When areas overlap, I will probably split them up, or something similar =)

The Current Map:
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2958/territories3ai4.th.png) (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=territories3ai4.png)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: [GSF]Niall on June 17, 2007, 12:07:20 pm
Just look at gang topics and find out the turfs . GSF'S turf is Idlewood
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 17, 2007, 01:54:55 pm
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I fully understand that Argonath does not support the idea of Gang Territories/Turfs. This is merely for my own curiosity.

That is not absolutely true, considering SAMP scripting possiblites there may be chances of suport them, as it don't promote DeathMatch  :)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 17, 2007, 01:55:45 pm
Many gangs do not declare their turfs in their posts. Also, based on that analogy, ML has Two cities and 3 towns. Not gonna happen ;)

Anyway, gonna begin the map =)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 17, 2007, 02:02:04 pm
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Many gangs do not declare their turfs in their posts. Also, based on that analogy, ML has Two cities and 3 towns. Not gonna happen
The problem is that Gangs just say: "This is our Turf, we own this(Whole San Fierro for Example)"-No, we got make others ways for them, like
A gang want to own a Street of San Fierro-They must pay a admin(That will be dicided) A amount of cash(Like $500.000) so only good RPG'ers can have great turfs(Prices may change with Zone, like a Richman is a Rich turf, so more cash to pay then Grove Street...
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: [GSF]Niall on June 17, 2007, 02:04:06 pm
thats why we made our turf small. We wouldn't say we owned the whole of LS
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 17, 2007, 02:09:33 pm
Thats why I wanted the leaders to PM me  :D

For example, ML SF territory will definantly border Dragon's Territory. I want to figure out a fair place where.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Dave on June 17, 2007, 02:26:27 pm
But the problem about turf is that some gangs get carried away,a dn kill anyone who goes on their turf, like take LVA for example, the old one, and also a few other can be named, as long as you do not attack any other people or gangs, u can have the turf
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 17, 2007, 02:55:47 pm
But the problem about turf is that some gangs get carried away,a dn kill anyone who goes on their turf, like take LVA for example, the old one, and also a few other can be named, as long as you do not attack any other people or gangs, u can have the turf

Exactly  :D
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Jcstodds on June 17, 2007, 03:24:20 pm
Our Limo service is based in Las Venturas, properties along the strip. We only confront competition on our grounds.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 17, 2007, 03:53:43 pm
Our Limo service is based in Las Venturas, properties along the strip. We only confront competition on our grounds.

Mind pin-pointing certain properties on a map? =)

Update:
Some of LS & Countryside allocated.
Lots of SF allocated.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Rebel on June 17, 2007, 04:37:34 pm
Basically, given that we own several houses and a business there, Palomino Creek is where TME rolls, but we also have a much smaller singled out factory in LS. I'd point those out on the map, but when I click the one in the first post, it opens some weird page and that's it.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 17, 2007, 07:25:08 pm
*Update*

First Map Added, LV shall be done later =)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Tice on June 17, 2007, 07:59:19 pm
*Update*

First Map Added, LV shall we done later =)

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7633/territoriespj0.th.png) (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=territoriespj0.png)

Awesome map, it looks like you got the territorys pretty much perfect :O
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: [Rstar]Razor on June 17, 2007, 08:56:36 pm
Mafia Life's LV Don is Trojan  :D
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Jcstodds on June 17, 2007, 09:09:30 pm
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s256/jcstodds/Ourmap-ALSEyesOnly.jpg SHhhhhh!

We basically operate down the strip, with plans for property in the South of LV (near Com-a-lot, ammunation and gas station).

Lol, Although I see Mafia life have been around for less than a week, and declare harlf the map as their territory!  :lol: ...
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Carhartt on June 17, 2007, 09:20:28 pm
Yeah it looks great Panda.
But Mafia Life's area is tooooooooooooooo big  :trust: :roll:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: [GSF]Niall on June 17, 2007, 10:05:30 pm
amazing map. Lol GSF's turf looks so pathetic and small. I think mafia life have been a bit bigheaded.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Yeah_Ok on June 17, 2007, 10:40:11 pm
Hello Panda !!!
Im sure when u came up witht this idea, u had great many positive thoughts embedded with it. But sadly,i didnt really understand ur motive behind this.

If u dont mind, could u pls enlighten me a little more on this. !!!
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: T r o j a n TM on June 17, 2007, 10:44:17 pm
Mafia Life will also have LV territory in the desert area. ;)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 17, 2007, 11:34:32 pm
Yeah it looks great Panda.
But Mafia Life's area is tooooooooooooooo big  :trust: :roll:


Speak with Jay - there was a meeting today and SF was 100% divided in compliance with the LLA (Leone-Life Alliance).  :cool:

Remember, I only make what I'm given :D
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Decy on June 17, 2007, 11:42:48 pm
Cuban Marielitos territory is mainly hidden Panda, although east beach around LS stadium and the accompanying apartments will be nice
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Jcstodds on June 18, 2007, 09:42:30 am
Mafia Life will also have LV territory in the desert area. ;)

  At the minute it seems Mafia Life already 'own' most of SA, considering they have been around for about a week!  :lol:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Nikolai on June 18, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
We are a neuatral Family but our territories will be small, containing only our Business properties and possibly where the Family members live, I will PM u with details on this if we want a territory :] (Our different Factions will be living in certain areas together, so I will PM u the pics later on =D)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: rJCaiG on June 18, 2007, 12:46:18 pm
i think ML have a bit too much land  :eek:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: CM Daniel on June 18, 2007, 12:47:28 pm
My vision on turfs/territories is that you need to buy properties in the area, before you can actually claim it. Otherwise you can just say "Hey guys! I own the countryside, whole north of LV and east SF!".

And a message to Maffia Life: You can't just claim the whole east of SF, you'll have to discuss with other gangs/maffia's in the area. Because as far as I'm concerned, we were taking the south of SF. And then you guys sneak in behind us and just take it.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Jcstodds on June 18, 2007, 03:07:40 pm
'Territories' should only stretch to the extent of their properties, eg to the road & land surrounding the asset or building. Want to own countryside? Buy farm!  :lol:



 
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: T r o j a n TM on June 18, 2007, 04:42:28 pm
i think ML have a bit too much land  :eek:
I think other gangs have too little land.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Carhartt on June 18, 2007, 04:46:21 pm
I think other gangs have too little land.

 :lol: :lol: Other standpoint of view.
But Trojan comon, do you have houses in this area ?
Your gang cannot have so much, that you rule over the whole east of SF  ;)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 18, 2007, 07:18:45 pm
i think ML have a bit too much land  :eek:

There was a meeting, however the Map will be edited.
Riffs is important to us, so negotiations will ensue.

PM me further if you have any views on this.
Posted on: June 18, 2007, 05:46:09 PM
My vision on turfs/territories is that you need to buy properties in the area, before you can actually claim it. Otherwise you can just say "Hey guys! I own the countryside, whole north of LV and east SF!".

And a message to Maffia Life: You can't just claim the whole east of SF, you'll have to discuss with other gangs/maffia's in the area. Because as far as I'm concerned, we were taking the south of SF. And then you guys sneak in behind us and just take it.

I spoke with Tice and I alloted what he stated you guys wanted in his picture.
Posted on: June 18, 2007, 05:53:26 PM
*Update*

Edited Map Added. New Territories will be added another time. Feedback please? =)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: CM Daniel on June 18, 2007, 07:44:42 pm
Oh one more thing, you forgot our territory in Mullholland and Richman.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Tice on June 18, 2007, 07:50:26 pm
Oh one more thing, you forgot our territory in Mullholland and Richman.

Jakez and me discussed some plans for 0.2 regarding new turf in certain areas, I'll go on MSN.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 18, 2007, 07:56:27 pm
Oh one more thing, you forgot our territory in Mullholland and Richman.

I was told you didn't have that anymore T.T
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: KriminalAer on June 19, 2007, 12:15:29 am
Firstly isn't the newly proclaimed GSF gang house in BS territory? :lol:

Secondly, i totally agree with JC and Daniel, how can you claim land that is no where near anything you own? :trust: In my humble opinion, unless I see your buildings or your members constantly hanging around there, you don't own it in my eyes :)

However, if we're ignoring the above rule, can ALS claim the entire of the unclaimed LV territory? :D No one else is using it :lol: I feel bad because we have the least amount of territory :cry::cry:

 :ps: You forgot about =AKM= territory  :rofl: :lol:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Yeah_Ok on June 19, 2007, 01:31:13 am
Correct me if im wrong, in my opinion, this is a bullcrap idea. This is only gonna create more rivalries among the gangs. As said, u cant claim the whole area if u own only a house in that particular area. And besides, judging by the number of new gangs coming up, good luck with distributing the territories amongst all the gangs. As the saying goes : ""There are more mouths to feed than there is grain in the sack !!!""


PS : I wonder if the admins approve this.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Rebel on June 19, 2007, 03:10:44 am
I've got to say that the idea is noble, but certainly not a good idea, Pandalink. People aren't going to be able to handle this. In one way or another, there will be territories crossing, people angry, then the flaming and death-matching begins, gang wars over territory Et cetera. Gangs today have enough problems, without wars starting over a map that was made of territories.

Oh, and as we've seen by a gang that will not be named, but you all know who, people will claim a ton of area for their gang and then expect that no other gang crosses it, which, again, creates gang wars, flaming, etc.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Jcstodds on June 19, 2007, 10:59:44 am
  ALS have a business turf. Wherever there is a convoy of ALS, we will eliminate competition  :D . But seriously, your all in way over your heads. Lets keep it simple: Your 'territory' is the land that you own. You can say your territory is over a large area, but my advice is not to print it all over the forum, because, like Yeah_ok pointed out, you cannot possibly own any land you wish. I'm surprised Dave has intruded yet, but im sure he would say something along the lines of "There is no territory, this makes gang wars,it is Government land". 
  If you want lots of 'territory' ... buy a farm. Some cows perhaps and defend your crops!
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 19, 2007, 06:43:43 pm
Personally, I believe that if there is a dispute then the leaders of the clan can come to me, the MapDude  :D. Something agreeable will be arranged.

As you can see, the ML territory was ridiculous - it has been majorly pushed back. If anyone wants to complain, complain to me in a PM and I will sort it out  :rofl:.

And to show how agreements can be found - the currently marked gangs within San Fierro are in agreement (I believe).

Secondly, i totally agree with JC and Daniel, how can you claim land that is no where near anything you own? :trust: In my humble opinion, unless I see your buildings or your members constantly hanging around there, you don't own it in my eyes :)

This is the most common reason, and is a perfectly acceptable one in my eyes. =)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Yeah_Ok on June 19, 2007, 08:39:16 pm
At this point, before making any more comments, i would like to know if this idea is totally approved by all admins. Thats all i want to know for the moment. Because, their decisions r the final decisions.

I would really like some feedback from the admin regarding this.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: dan_lcfc on June 19, 2007, 09:53:18 pm
I think that ALS got a bit greedy with their turf....  :lol: joke...

LOL, that map has been done well. You should feel proud Panda
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: KriminalAer on June 19, 2007, 10:45:37 pm
This is the most common reason, and is a perfectly acceptable one in my eyes. =)

Sure yeah, i am a bit confused though, ML's members are in all kindsa gangs and clans since it's just an RPG group, so say for an example ML has a load of [BS] members, if the [BS] members are hanging around their territory is it ML territory too? :trust: Or are you saying that when ML are RPing as a gang and hanging out that's the territory they own. If the second point is true i never see anyone hanging around in the proclaimed ML CS territory far south near angel pine so how'd you manage to get that? :D

By the way im not getting at you, i really like this idea, i think some sort of system like this really gives the gangs substance and a reason and i love it :D (providing that we can all settle differences civilly of course!)

At this point, before making any more comments, i would like to know if this idea is totally approved by all admins. Thats all i want to know for the moment. Because, their decisions r the final decisions.

I would really like some feedback from the admin regarding this.

Obviously yeah, the admins word is final but i don't see why they would disapprove much, i hope that they trust members to act with dignity and poise when sorting out any problems that may arise, ok if it does start DMing and flaming going on then lets scrap it but i can't see how that would happen if people just PM panda and he helps people sort out any conflicts they may have. (Plus they can stop it being talked about on the forums but i can secretly update the map by myself and talk to others about it :D Free speech for life!)

 :ps: Admins, don't ban me, i love you! :lol:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Yeah_Ok on June 19, 2007, 11:20:56 pm
The point of my constant nagging is that, its Government property we're talking about. No one can claim whats theirs and whats not, without the actual Green Flag signal from the admins., unless they paid for that particular area.

I dont know about u guys, but i dont see any positive outcome of this. This is surely gonna lead to war, flamming DM and what not. Take for instance, i was crusing around South of San Fierro area few days ago, and i managed to land up in an area where the CMs (now Corleane) were hanging around. I stepped out of the car, to check out the area. Then the leader of Corleane gang comes up to me and says that "sir, this is a private property !!"" , which actually wasnt , cos they didnt own any of the land there except a Remington parked in the lot. I had to leave the area, which technically wasnt owned by them.

I have nothing against the corleanes. I took this up, just to share the oncoming circumstances which may arise in a more aggressive manner. If it was a DM gang instead of the Corleanes, then i wouldnt have been coming out of there alive.

Thats my 2 cents in this whole Territories idea. And i hope the admins jump in and give their version.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: nitox on June 20, 2007, 07:51:40 am
You can't take Richman as Turf, i live there!
if it would be turf it should be LCV turf!
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Jcstodds on June 20, 2007, 09:11:00 am
You can't take Richman as Turf, i live there!
if it would be turf it should be LCV turf!
  Your turf will be inside of your walls. Not richman.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 20, 2007, 09:28:17 am
Or are you saying that when ML are RPing as a gang and hanging out that's the territory they own. If the second point is true i never see anyone hanging around in the proclaimed ML CS territory far south near angel pine so how'd you manage to get that? :D

Because.. its shiny? >.>



It also is a mere 15 second walk from Dillimore.

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: CM Daniel on June 20, 2007, 01:58:21 pm
The point of my constant nagging is that, its Government property we're talking about. No one can claim whats theirs and whats not, without the actual Green Flag signal from the admins., unless they paid for that particular area.

I dont know about u guys, but i dont see any positive outcome of this. This is surely gonna lead to war, flamming DM and what not. Take for instance, i was crusing around South of San Fierro area few days ago, and i managed to land up in an area where the CMs (now Corleane) were hanging around. I stepped out of the car, to check out the area. Then the leader of Corleane gang comes up to me and says that "sir, this is a private property !!"" , which actually wasnt , cos they didnt own any of the land there except a Remington parked in the lot. I had to leave the area, which technically wasnt owned by them.

I have nothing against the corleanes. I took this up, just to share the oncoming circumstances which may arise in a more aggressive manner. If it was a DM gang instead of the Corleanes, then i wouldnt have been coming out of there alive.

Thats my 2 cents in this whole Territories idea. And i hope the admins jump in and give their version.

Hmmm, I can't remember that we send you away. But if we did, we probably were in the middle of a meeting...

And who is BS, I thought Mullholland was the area were the Corleones would spread in?
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Toninator on June 20, 2007, 03:28:15 pm
I think the areas shouldnt take all the town (SF) there should be many streets and places which are not owned by any gang/family. the other thing is, that many family are not "super aggressive". there are ally between gang and families. there could be rules for territorys...
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: KriminalAer on June 20, 2007, 05:56:05 pm
The point of my constant nagging is that, its Government property we're talking about. No one can claim whats theirs and whats not, without the actual Green Flag signal from the admins., unless they paid for that particular area.

I dont know about u guys, but i dont see any positive outcome of this. This is surely gonna lead to war, flamming DM and what not. Take for instance, i was crusing around South of San Fierro area few days ago, and i managed to land up in an area where the CMs (now Corleane) were hanging around. I stepped out of the car, to check out the area. Then the leader of Corleane gang comes up to me and says that "sir, this is a private property !!"" , which actually wasnt , cos they didnt own any of the land there except a Remington parked in the lot. I had to leave the area, which technically wasnt owned by them.

Yeah, if we're RPing these gangs, then you could say that in real life gangs like the Crips and the Bloods don't actually own any turf in the legal sense either. But it's still their turf.

Though i don't agree with the the Corleones telling you to get off their private property, im sure they had a reason for it though. I believe if this is going to work at all we'll all have to be civil and to be honest, no one should be telling anyone where to go, unless there's good reasons.

If it was a DM gang instead of the Corleanes, then i wouldnt have been coming out of there alive.

Don't name names but.. what DM gangs? If there are any of such gangs around they should be chucked off this server anyway! :mad:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Yeah_Ok on June 20, 2007, 06:29:03 pm
Though i don't agree with the the Corleones telling you to get off their private property,

AInt gonna make a big issue out of this, but this did happen. I was there not to eavesdrop or anything, i had my reasons to be there.



Don't name names but.. what DM gangs?

I said IF it was some DM gang instead of the corleones. I just expressed it as an example.


But anyhow, thats not where i wanted everyone to throw their spotlights on. My biggest concern is about the division of territories.

Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Tice on June 20, 2007, 06:37:32 pm
I dont know about u guys, but i dont see any positive outcome of this. This is surely gonna lead to war, flamming DM and what not. Take for instance, i was crusing around South of San Fierro area few days ago, and i managed to land up in an area where the CMs (now Corleane) were hanging around. I stepped out of the car, to check out the area. Then the leader of Corleane gang comes up to me and says that "sir, this is a private property !!"" , which actually wasnt , cos they didnt own any of the land there except a Remington parked in the lot. I had to leave the area, which technically wasnt owned by them.

That was me. We were having a meeting there and noticed you were in earshot, so instead of just telling you to get out, I made an RP reason of it. People have complete rights to travel through our area, and we will not make anyone leave. This was simply an exeption since you were basically right next to us outside our HQ and you might have picked up infomation. It was simply a precautionary measure.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: KriminalAer on June 20, 2007, 06:38:31 pm

I said IF it was some DM gang instead of the corleones. I just expressed it as an example.


Yah ok, here's hoping DM gangs never arrive and we won't have that problem :D

Division of territories does tend to be a problem though, that's why i think it should be based on owning properties rather than just declaring you own stuff. At least owning properties is a concrete thing that can't be disputed.... (sort of :lol:)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 20, 2007, 06:42:48 pm
Again, if anyone has any problems concerning alotted territories or "DM"/rulebreaking gangs, PM me and I will sort it out. If said gangs are checked and found to be DMing or otherwise rulebreaking, they will have their territory re-classified.

And as for Richman/Mulholland, BS sent me a PM with that territory marked. Based on Tice's map, that wasn't Corleone territory at that point. Maybe, however, you could split Richman and Mulholland?  :D
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Rebel on June 20, 2007, 06:49:20 pm
This entire concept needs to be scrapped, and never thought of again.

First, this will initiate gang wars. Personally, last night, the leader of the gang I am in was simply wandering around in SF, and apparently crossed into a gang which shall not be named's territory. They told him to get out of their area, inevitably threatening him more than requesting that he do. Territory causes these actions.

Second, this is unfair to gangs that will inevitably be new. Say Gang A had a fight, and some of the members broke off and made Gang B. Gang B therefore wants an HQ and the like, however as they check the territory map that admins unlawfully placed in order and claimed to be true and final, Gang B has no chances of getting an HQ, or even a territory, as most all places will be claimed, and he will be shot just trying to drive around and look for a good place.

Finally, if persay this is, while painfully unlawful, accepted by admins and leaders alike, there should be a rule placed within that to own said "territory" you have to own a business in said territory or a home used for HQ. Then, you may only claim so many in-game-feet around this building as official territory. This resolves the issue I announced in the second of these statements as then people could only claim very small areas for their gang around businesses and houses that they OFFICIALLY own, and newer gangs stand a chance of being able to work within the rule book. Then, there is no conflict as to how to split up areas, and it makes it fair so that gangs like ML, who don't wear tags and are actually members from several gangs, can only claim small areas around places that their members OWN as in having paid for it full price and having THEIR NAME ON IT!
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Toninator on June 20, 2007, 07:05:53 pm
I think everyone here want a real nice RPG right? So i dont think there will be problem with the gangs anf families, because they also want to have RPG.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Yeah_Ok on June 20, 2007, 07:17:14 pm
That was me. We were having a meeting there and noticed you were in earshot, so instead of just telling you to get out, I made an RP reason of it............ you were basically right next to us outside our HQ and you might have picked up infomation. It was simply a precautionary measure.

Although i didnt want to focus on this anymore, i got to clear things up a bit. Firstly, i didnt know a meeting was going on, cos when i arrived, u guys were doing go-karting. And for the record, i didnt pick on any of ur informations, so no need to worry. Besides, i was there myself on business purpose, which i guess overlapped with ur meeting schedule. But the most important thing is , i didnt know the corleones had relocated.

So, thats basically, the complete scenario of what went on. As said, its useless to focus ur eyes on this, cos its not what i wanted to extract from this, when I mentioned it.



Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 20, 2007, 07:27:03 pm
I think for now I will wait until 0.2, and rethink the possible concept then.  :D

As for now, continue the PMs =)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: KriminalAer on June 20, 2007, 07:51:32 pm
Rebel, ultimately gangs will always say certain parts are their turf, whether admins say turf is allowed or not and at least adding in some sorta system such as this will help clarify any arguments that occur. I mean if gangs have territory disputes is it better that they check the map and PM panda if they don't agree or go in guns ablaze and take it? :war:

But i do agree that no where near as much turf should be claimed as is currently, it should be based on buildings actually owned and maybe the number of members (or maybe power? thinking of Dragons here) they have. The biggest gangs have the most territory right? The SA map is fairly huge and yeah new gangs coming in will have less of a choice but that's no ones fault. I joined the server too late to get a 0.1 house as they'd all been sold but that's life :D If you start up a gang late i guess you have to take what you get. As for splits, if following an 'amount of members' system then a halfway split will halve the gangs territory between the gangs, just as i believe happens in gang splits in real life.

As for the incident you mentioned, that is something we need to work on, admin regulation would help sort this out. Plus, the only way they can make you leave is by attacking you and if we agree "this is our turf" is not a good reason for attack then they'll be warned and ultimately banned for attacking yeah?

I think if we can get everyone to agree on this and it's regulated by admins, disputes are settled properly and territory is fairly distributed then i reckon this will be ace. :D

:ps:
he will be shot just trying to drive around and look for a good place.

As i said to Yeah_Ok, who are all these people that shoot people entering their territory? I never see them  :redface: and i hope that if i ever do they'll get banned sharpish, right?
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: T r o j a n TM on June 20, 2007, 08:03:06 pm
Great work Panda! There may be a tiny bit more of ML in LV but apart from that I think that's the ML territory covered and I think a few other gangs may need a little more territory if they ask for it.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Rebel on June 21, 2007, 09:45:38 pm
Seriously... if this thing is passed, it needs to be majorly revised. There is no possible way it is fair that a gang that does not wear tags and has pieces from several other gangs has the majority of the territory taken.

Beyond that, you should seriously consider my idea that you can only own territory so many feet in-game around a building that YOU or one of YOUR members owns.

Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Yeah_Ok on June 21, 2007, 10:15:22 pm
Seriously... if this thing is passed, it needs to be majorly revised. There is no possible way it is fair that a gang that does not wear tags and has pieces from several other gangs has the majority of the territory taken.


I totally second that !!!!  Territories r somethng really important in terms with RP, its not the same as owning a house. The house u own, u paid for it, but the territories, no one paid for it. Therefore, no one owns it and no one can declare it as their own without the actual approval from the admins or Govt, whoever owns this whole map.

Fight for ur rights ..eh
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 21, 2007, 11:40:50 pm
In my eyes, territories are irrelevant to anyone passing through unless they represent a gang - and even then it often means nothing major.

As for the property/area idea; That is remarkably easy to draw - and I will be looking into it once properties are developing on the 0.2 scripts.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: JJ[SKM] on June 27, 2007, 10:04:15 am
Ummm..... :D i just gaind a idea :D [SKM] gonna buy houses over there :D

http://www.hot.ee/spiderman60/territories3ai4.png (http://www.hot.ee/spiderman60/territories3ai4.png)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Andre9977 on June 27, 2007, 10:34:34 am
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2831/finalterritoriesbykgbtp2.jpg

Thats possible?
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: CM Daniel on June 27, 2007, 12:31:24 pm
Can we have the Mullholland area? Because we settled in there when we first started (before BS). ;)

(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5830/maplssfjg3.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maplssfjg3.jpg)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Andre9977 on June 27, 2007, 09:32:37 pm
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2831/finalterritoriesbykgbtp2.jpg

We decided... one in LS (at our bar VL) and one in LV (at vice vodka)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Jcstodds on June 27, 2007, 10:13:31 pm
All this makes me laugh so bad !  :lol: :lol: Its crazy!
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 27, 2007, 10:17:23 pm
I will not be updating the map as it currently is. As for the new scripts, with it I will bring a new Territory system based on actual property or otherwise actively used areas.

So for now, no map anymore  :D
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: [GSF]Niall on June 28, 2007, 04:00:16 pm
aWWWWWW i like the map and i was just gonna ask you to put in the two new GSF turfs that we got. Can you at least make it and then just send it to me cause i wanna put it on gsf topic.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Rebel on June 28, 2007, 06:18:54 pm
Hell yeah! 'Bout time this nonsense stopped. Panda, are you gonna use the concept of having like a circle of so many feet around an owned property? Because if so, you just gained a lot of respect for curing the problem of CERTAIN gangs thinking they own everything...

Besides, it'd make more sense that way, so that things don't develop to fast. You or one of your members MUST own that property, and since the .2 scripts are gonna clear all owned properties and money, it means Gangs have to work together and do civilized actual work to raise the funds to buy properties so they have that little piece of territory on the map...

Oh, and besides that, you might as well clear the map you have, given that, as we all know, and as I just said, properties are cleared with the .2 scripts and no ones gonna own anything (from what I heard) then the map gets to start all over.
 
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Tice on June 28, 2007, 06:35:46 pm
CM is one of the few gangs who actually own nearly ALL of their property in thier (kinda large, I admit) area. Just some other gangs seem to randomly label stuff as their own, whereas I have never seen a property owned by a member in it...
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Yeah_Ok on June 28, 2007, 07:12:26 pm
Man , arent we done with this crap already ??  As mentioned earlier, u own only those property that u paid for. And besides, Panda aint technically authorised to divide and distribute the map, until and unless the admins gave him the power., which isnt in this case.

""Oh, i go to that Grocery Store every morning and buy tons of breakfast daily, the owner knows me very well. Oh,, what,,.wait a minute,...oh..u mean....oh...ok...,this means I own this now. Yeah baby yeah !!!"""

It doesnt work that way.So, pls stop this bullcrap., and be happy with the properties u actually own.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 28, 2007, 07:14:56 pm
I will work out a system similar to the circle idea Rebel, yes  :D.

When the new scripts come out - Gangs will be able to designate one building as their headquarters (since nobody will own anything, and this way gangs will have a meeting place). If gangs very clearly display a presence in an area - I will consider a slight use of the current system.

Basically, all will be worked out at some point once the new scripts are out  :rofl:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Billy on June 28, 2007, 08:19:26 pm
What about National Guard? There are no houses in NG "territory", So we can't really "Buy property" there.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Adam_Cooper on June 28, 2007, 08:28:05 pm
Of course, the Grove Street Families shouldn't have Grove Street  :redface:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 28, 2007, 11:45:46 pm
National Guard will be allotted the Army areas - the base and Easter Basin. Also, possibly the North-East LV Army fuel depot.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: _ALIENS_ on June 29, 2007, 12:14:57 am
I think we must have a Territories
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: TwoFace on June 29, 2007, 06:04:53 am
The East Gang ECG controls Berryblue and village below the north ammunation
and lil probie inn bar
Posted on: June 29, 2007, 05:00:58 AM
wait panda ive never seen ML CS over at berryblue....ummm...can we get the big factory?  :redface:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: [GSF]Niall on June 29, 2007, 04:15:38 pm
we dont want grove Street its a lost cause. because its DM and noob paradise
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 29, 2007, 05:47:10 pm
Berryblue is not a place  :roll:

Blueberry and the Road to Dillimore, however, is the ML CS main territory.

Again, the map is not being updated anymore. I will rework it for the 0.2 scripts.
You are welcome to post your ideas for such a map here, however  :rofl:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Gothem on June 29, 2007, 08:16:18 pm
edit the map for put territories in all big cities, in all big cities for the Argonath Goverment LS (for LS city), AG SF (for SF city) and AG LV (for LV city) and if you like AG CS (Argonath goverment country side for all cities of country side)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: EDYADY on June 29, 2007, 11:02:06 pm
urm i think GSF should occupy a larger territory over LS we having territor at vinewood sign and in vredant bluffs and in glen park too.There we have houses.So could u update the map?
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 30, 2007, 12:25:42 am
Again, the map is not being updated anymore. I will rework it for the 0.2 scripts.
You are welcome to post your ideas for such a map here, however  :rofl:

Seriously, read what I said.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: EDYADY on June 30, 2007, 11:03:56 am
ah sry i didn't see,i were too lazy to read lol  :lol:.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Gothem on June 30, 2007, 07:37:50 pm
The East Gang ECG controls Berryblue and village below the north ammunation
and lil probie inn bar
Posted on: June 29, 2007, 05:00:58 AM
wait panda ive never seen ML CS over at berryblue....ummm...can we get the big factory?  :redface:

im with A.C. you edit the more territories for your gang panda and in berryblue im never view people of ML CS in berryblue
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on June 30, 2007, 08:39:32 pm
Requesting Lock, this is getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Gothem on June 30, 2007, 09:24:01 pm
yeah  :D
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: tiderman on June 30, 2007, 09:50:56 pm
Almost as ridiculous as Gothems office space avatar :D

BTW: how the hell you do that "territories" .. colors?
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Gothem on June 30, 2007, 10:45:00 pm
im dont know how do very good  :conf: but im doing another map with THE GIMP  :cool:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Edited for :



Now for us argonath players..... :cool:

SA Territories 2.0 :redface:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t221/gothem_a/Territories.jpg

*ML mafia dont be apply please say the MOST important territories have much

*BS dont be apply for the corleone like mullhoad please accord us

*Your gang dont is in the map???? talk me!!!!  :D

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Edited map:

*Airports, Stadiums, City halls, Police Departements and Car school cant have the gangs, is from Argonath Goverment.

*BS cant have that territories in LV read the before *

*Change the TME territories of the south of SF. Trujillo say me...

*Apply BS territories of the port

*That is from the map "All other territories of the cities is from Argonath Goverment" (The Argonath Goverment is the police and the FBI)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: tiderman on June 30, 2007, 11:11:13 pm
im dont know how do very good  :conf: but im doing another map with THE GIMP  :cool:
I mean its funny wit the printing machine :D
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Gothem on June 30, 2007, 11:15:58 pm
in here im post my new map  ;)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: TwoFace on June 30, 2007, 11:38:55 pm
i meant the whole blueberry area...the field and factory :)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on July 01, 2007, 01:29:49 am
Requesting Immediate Lock Please. Before this gets out of hand.

Btw on your map TME covers BM HQ. Heh.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Jcstodds on July 01, 2007, 01:30:35 am
Im still 'laffing' at this topic  :lol:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on July 01, 2007, 01:34:12 am
Just for clarification:

I will work out a new Map for Argonath 0.2 Scripts.

The Map I made and any subsequent Maps under the same system are irrelevant, since the system is too conflictory. My new system will be based primarily on Physical Scripted Properties.

As I said, locking this prevents further confusion/annoyance/flaming.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Gothem on July 01, 2007, 01:59:35 am
panda where is BM HQ????  :conf:

Im edit the map  ;)
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on July 01, 2007, 03:24:34 am
BM HQ is the Driving School, but since this method of mapmaking is proven to be not good I see no point..

But out of interst, what of the old ML Territories? Where are they?
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: RiX[LV] on July 01, 2007, 04:03:03 am
No More ML! No More ML Territories  :roll:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on July 01, 2007, 05:28:19 am
What do you mean, No More ML? =.=
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Gothem on July 01, 2007, 07:12:12 pm
ml have much territories you need say the MOST IMPORTANT territories.

that is  :roll:
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: RiX[LV] on July 03, 2007, 08:36:12 pm
ML biz in SF is bought by ME!
So it's now Dragons territory
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on July 04, 2007, 12:33:15 am
ML biz? Where? :P
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: RiX[LV] on July 04, 2007, 12:39:26 am
I buy ATM 24-7 with Fuel station it's near SFPD
There it's only one Biz in ML SF zone and it's be for sell... I buy it
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on July 04, 2007, 12:45:20 am
Still not sure where you mean, but meh :P

Anyway, Territories don't mean anything anymore for this method.. method stupid =P

Property Map might be made for 0.2 Script Properties.
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: RiX[LV] on July 04, 2007, 12:50:02 am
i just say now there live dragons :P
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Wayne on July 04, 2007, 01:59:55 am
the server is the territory so why we need more?
Title: Re: Territories
Post by: Pandalink on July 04, 2007, 05:05:33 pm
the server is the territory so why we need more?

As I said, this method sucks badly for Territories..

Requesting Lock Again  :rofl:
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