Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Aragorn on November 28, 2009, 09:36:57 am
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Ladies and Gentlemen...
It came to my attention, that part of you started attacking the current admins: spreading lie about their work, gossiping about them, pointing to others that our admins team cannot work, provoking, speculating with admins information and in total behave aggressively towards the current admins team...
I was telling in past and can repeat once again - anyone who spreads a lie about our servers, about admins team of our servers, constantly provokes and gossiping - will be out from our servers...
Do not think that your ex-past will stop me from that... If you can NOT hold yourself in hands, if you can NOT handle the demotion - you just prove the correct point of removing your rights...
Attacking admins team is the same rulebreak as all others... If you are trying to spoil their work, if you are trying to manage their demotion as well, if you are trying to bring them down morally - you will just face up with the Owners and Leaders... And that probably will be your last visit to our server...
Besides it there is no any talk about accepting your applications even...
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On the other hand, you can finally see their true personalities.
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I hope this move will act as a deterrent against calculated and often sly advances against the administration team and most importantly the player base of Argonath. Dealing with change is a serious issue, and something that will affect us all in the coming future whether personally or professionally. I only wish I had the wisdom of others to teach me in the past. Grab a note book and listen carefully.
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On the other hand, you can finally see their true personalities.
I think that was the same, as where you got banned right?
We saw your true personalitie.
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Heh, I thought this would be a positive topic. I know for a fact that I do not go under this category. Such actions are beneath me. I am dissapointed, but not surprised, to have to see a topic like this get made.
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On the other hand, you can finally see their true personalities.
MarioRinarri, always finding good inside the people.
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I also thought this was going to be positive. At first I quickly read over the OP and thought you were taking a stand against the multitude of flames and attacks the ex-admins were receiving only due to the fact they were no longer admins...I then laughed and re-read it. I know myself I am not one of these people. I myself respect the fact that if someone is obviously a better admin than I to have made it into this tough to get into admin team then they should be treated with the utmost respect, as they are best of the best. (Un)Natural selection. I think I might take this chance to say that flaming ex-admins only due to their loss of adminship, it makes you a serious loser and you should really unplug that blue cable at the back of your computer and never plug it back in.
In one day I experienced more flaming then I did in 3 months as admin. Why? Leave it up to your imagination...
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Ladies and Gentlemen...
It came to my attention, that part of you started attacking the current admins: spreading lie about their work, gossiping about them, pointing to others that our admins team cannot work, provoking, speculating with admins information and in total behave aggressively towards the current admins team...
I was telling in past and can repeat once again - anyone who spreads a lie about our servers, about admins team of our servers, constantly provokes and gossiping - will be out from our servers...
Do not think that your ex-past will stop me from that... If you can NOT hold yourself in hands, if you can NOT handle the demotion - you just prove the correct point of removing your rights...
Attacking admins team is the same rulebreak as all others... If you are trying to spoil their work, if you are trying to manage their demotion as well, if you are trying to bring them down morally - you will just face up with the Owners and Leaders... And that probably will be your last visit to our server...
Besides it there is no any talk about accepting your applications even...
On the other hand, you can finally see their true personalities.
For example, now Andy_Araatus has turned into a total rulebreaker, chronically DMing and flaming.
Really makes you think..
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Mango, I reccomend you refer to the post I have made above and edit your post, or follow the advice I have given. Thanks.
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On the other hand, you can finally see their true personalities.
The side of some ex-admins recently isn't a nice side at all.
They did there job :) There great for doing that...
But some just break rules or are starting to be totally diff..
Put meh off on Applying for admin any time soon.. Because I know its a tough job :/
But i r rather work under teh covers :P with meh secret fBI gadgets and BCA /ads :P.
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That's how it is, and that's how it goes.
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As sort of the current only medium when it comes to these kind of things, I can ensure anyone reading this topic that both ex-admins provoking the current admins and players provoking the ex-admins is abundant throughout the server... I'm not here to choose sides because I can understand how all the ex-admins feel and that striking pain that goes through you when someone pms you ingame ":O why are you not admin?" and you know no matter what your answer the fact still remains at that moment you're not one. On the other hand, quite a few of the ex-admins have really lost a lot of my respect.. Deliberately breaking server rules just because "they can", deathmatching just because "they can", and just causing the current admins a even more chaos from players who KNOW what they're doing. It's honestly just sad because most of the uproar lately has come from all ex-admins with players who stand by them. It feels like a ridiculous revolution when you try and control one little thing and the whole server grabs torches and pitchforks and begin charging towards main chat... So please, I can understand any ex-admin being upset because I know how it feels to an extent but don't take it out on the current admins. Most of you weren't kicked for being a bad admin, so don't take it out on the remaining guys who now have to act like your baby sitters since you can't control yourselves as well as manage the normal amount of new guys who don't know what they're doing...
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Vince... It's not because 'they can', it's because they're very stressed about this all and have just snapped.
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Just stating, that I am disappointed in myself for not showing the developers what I CAN.
I hope this won't annoy any admins ingame.
Although when I am starting an discussion, I am also trying to provide the most possible information.
Maybe this can lead to confusing of the administration and me attempting to moan about them , although this is NOT what I am trying to do.
I've got nothing against one of the current admins, as it looks like I always been helped :)
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Vince... It's not because 'they can', it's because they're very stressed about this all and have just snapped.
That is not the situation with some, and I have witnessed it first hand..
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Provoking other players beceause they have been qualified to something you haven't... It's weak. Helping admins is no problem at all.. But god... Don't provoke or say you were better than them..
I hope this warning did silence those who dares to state such things.
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Yes it is annoying. Infact, it seems some admins who currently are STILL admins, are going easy on these ex- admins.
Let me give an example, I will not name who for obvious reasons.
Okay, so there were like 4 admins on, and this FORMER admin (who shall be refered to as B), B is being annoying by this other player (new) and this new player will not stop, so this former admin goes in main chat and says 'Stop!' Then about 30 seconds later, ''F**K YOU!'' into the main chat.. I confront him and say ''Wow, that was real nice. Why did you say that?'' and B said ''He was annoying me!''... Sounds funny, doesn't it? Who here has ever been kicked, warned, even banned for such reason? I sure have. Infact, it gets better. B was never warned, kicked, or anything. After confronting an admin on this, ''Sorry i didnt see it.'' Although this admin, I can trust and is highly respected, I still think that is unfair considering he could have simply scrolled up to see it.
It gets EVEN better! About 5 weeks earlier, I got kicked for joking with [AV]Vince over a football game (Lets just skip the chat about it so it doesnt go off-topic) and i said ''haha you state sucks :P '' and i got kicked by B for saying it. I came back to say it was a joke, and he warned me for saying i was kidding!
B, I hope you have enough balls to admit yourself here, because if not, I will find it really ridiculous.
I do think the former admins / mods are just being big babies about their loss of rank and are now going all negative about everything, and it makes me sick when they get away with things like I exampled above.
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Okay, so there were like 4 admins on, and this FORMER admin (who shall be refered to as B), B is being annoying by this other player (new) and this new player will not stop, so this former admin goes in main chat and says 'Stop!' Then about 30 seconds later, ''F**K YOU!'' into the main chat.. I confront him and say ''Wow, that was real nice. Why did you say that?'' and B said ''He was annoying me!''... Sounds funny, doesn't it? Who here has ever been kicked, warned, even banned for such reason? I sure have. Infact, it gets better. B was never warned, kicked, or anything. After confronting an admin on this, ''Sorry i didnt see it.'' Although this admin, I can trust and is highly respected, I still think that is unfair considering he could have simply scrolled up to see it.
Players are never banned for saying things like that...do not exaggerate please
Also, administrators probably warned the guy over PM...we do that in most cases
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Well... I haven't rulebreaked ever since I lost my Admin rights. Tell me when did I rulebreak? All I do is kill whoever shoots at me. I do have RP reason for each guy I have killed, if you want to know why I killed you, send me a forum PM.. maybe we can discuss it.
Aragorn, none of the Ex-Admins were trying to show or tell that they were better than other admins. In fact, We were happy with the admins that had to stay. I don't know if you heard about what happen yesterday or not. But I won't mention names. Maybe you guys might just know him top of your head. Why would only ONE admin and the only admin be on the server doing Cop work instead of Admin work with amount of players over 100? That actually happened yesterday. Someone (admin) was doing cop work instead of admin work, and I bet his chat was being flooded by 'Reports' It actually drove me crazy. Yet, I was kicked for spreading false information when it was true.. and he knows that was true.
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Aragorn, none of the Ex-Admins were trying to show or tell that they were better than other admins. In fact, We were happy with the admins that had to stay.
That is not true for all ex-administrators...
A few are being horrible to the current administrators
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That is not true for all ex-administrators...
A few are being horrible to the current administrators
Well, yea true. But atleast not all Ex-Admins were being horrible.
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ex-admins are in charge everyone
i wonder what this means... :conf:
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Players are never banned for saying things like that...do not exaggerate please
Also, administrators probably warned the guy over PM...we do that in most cases
Well, if continuous I meant. Not like just one time ban.
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Well, if continuous I meant. Not like just one time ban.
Then I assume you understand that those ex-administrators that break server rules constantly will be treated the same way - with a ban
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What has come to light in the last 24 hours, after receiving reports and then reading the logs, is pretty sad but not at all surprising. I knew that some ex-admins would behave this way, but what does surprise me is the lenience those ex-admins are being shown by the admins they're provoking.
I have specifically asked all our admins to take a tough line on this kind of behaviour and to report all instances of it. The ex-admins were shown a period of grace in which to adjust to the restructure, that time is now over. You can continue to cry and moan about what a great admin you were and how it's all so unfair if you want to, but my tolerant side has now been worn thin by your constant complaints. SA:MP is a game, it is supposed to be fun and not a forum for your grievances. Complain all you like in PM, have your little ex-admin CB channel for you to get together and talk about how you're all so hard done by if you want to, just keep it between yourselves and make sure the rest of us don't have to hear your whining.
I don't care how you justify your behaviour; it makes no difference at all that the admins you are provoking are, in your eyes, not doing their job. If you're trash talking an admin in main chat you should expect repercussions. The admin team has our full support and they have the authority to do whatever it takes to remove disruptive players from the server.
To those ex-admins who have behaved decently since the restructure, this post is not aimed at you and your pleasant behaviour and continued support for Argonath is not going unnoticed.
Kojak
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That are the best words to close topic, Kojak...
To ex-admins who started provokes and speculations:
Warning was given, it is up to you to stay a great guys or to go down and out...