Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Stanley_Taylor on December 05, 2009, 01:04:50 am
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I was just present at a shoot-out during a bank robbery. I noticed SWAT was going outside to get new armour after they lost them. Suspects are not allowed to buy a drink to gain health during a shoot-out because of 'script-abuse'. I disagreed with this from the start because if this would be script abuse then gaining health from buying a drink should be removed in the first place. The drinking could still be roleplayed differently like using first-aid kits
So...SWAT can refil armour all day long and criminals aren't allowed to refil. It's safe to say this is very unfair towards criminals.
I'd like everybody to think about new ideas so criminals don't have this huge disadvantage, that leaves any chance of breaking out of a building impossible when SWAT is there, just because the scripts are made that way.
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SWAT obviously had to leave the place, go back to their vehicles and refill their armour and ammunition
Criminals healing in an interior is different...as they are still technically in combat
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i Also think it is worng that FBI just ecript them with 1000 smg or more when nomal patrol & of course armour
i think they only should be used in 207 and stuff like that..
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Wow wow wow wow..... hold it VeLuX... you don't know nothing about the FBI..
Each agent has a bout 250-350 Rounds of SMG.... We do not equip more.. since it's not needed..
We do equip heavy weapons such as combat or m4 only on FBI Operations / 207's / Code Purples... and some more situation... but normally we do not even have more than 400...
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SWAT obviously had to leave the place, go back to their vehicles and refill their armour and ammunition
Thanks, I've said that already and this doesn't change anything about the fact they are allowed to refil with an unlimited amount of armour and criminals are not to refil at all.
Criminals healing in an interior is different...as they are still technically in combat
They can rp using a first-aid kit that helps them with their injuries and then use /buy milk. But I assume that's totally out of the question, because some people will neglect to do this.
I hope everyone can see that this is a problem. We need a solution for criminals. We don't need SWAT to have their truck removed. But, we need something for the criminals. If people can think of solutions for this problem we can post them at SA:Ideas and have the main admins make the decisions about them. We need to get this more balanced.
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SWAT & FBI both have script(ers) support. Criminals do not.
SWAT obviously had to leave the place, go back to their vehicles and refill their armour and ammunition
Criminals healing in an interior is different...as they are still technically in combat
My point proven. How can leaving an interior to re-enter 15 seconds later not be seen as regaining health and weaponry supplements in combat? lol
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..moan moar...
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Wow wow wow wow..... hold it VeLuX... you don't know nothing about the FBI..
Each agent has a bout 250-350 Rounds of SMG.... We do not equip more.. since it's not needed..
We do equip heavy weapons such as combat or m4 only on FBI Operations / 207's / Code Purples... and some more situation... but normally we do not even have more than 400...
Sry to say it but
Wow wow wow. you dont know your members in FBI then, me and one of my friends was in a chase of a suspect. and on the way we picked up a FBI guy there said ohh only 900 smg back
So stop say wow wow to me
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Second why has 300 smg?? officers only have 180 smg ?? why the drifense? second FBI allways has Armour
Officers are have to buy them self in 207 and stuff like that, only if there are a kind SWAT/Lieutenant+ guy there give us it
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Sry to say it but
Wow wow wow. you dont know your members in FBI then, me and one of my friends was in a chase of a suspect. and on the way we picked up a FBI guy there said ohh only 900 smg back
So stop say wow wow to me
Hey there, click me to solve the problem! (http://fbi.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=5.0)
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..moan moar...
Reported for moaning.
Could we leave the FBI out of this?
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SWAT obviously had to leave the place, go back to their vehicles and refill their armour and ammunition
Criminals healing in an interior is different...as they are still technically in combat
Criminals have to back up into bar room too :X
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Why in hell a Government Agency wouldn't have more then 1 Body Armour for each officer ? Of course they got shitloads stocked, Noone told you to go hide inside a Vault, You can do a Robbery on an open place, so that way whoever needs can leave and go buy himself armour, Its not like we drag the enforcer inside the Bank and stay in it shooting from there and re equipping..And also, do you think you can remove 30 bullets out of your body with bandages a Bottle of Alcohol and morphine ? Go for it..
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Why in hell a Government Agency wouldn't have more then 1 Body Armour for each officer ? Of course they got shitloads stocked, Noone told you to go hide inside a Vault, You can do a Robbery on an open place, so that way whoever needs can leave and go buy himself armour, Its not like we drag the enforcer inside the Bank and stay in it shooting from there and re equipping..And also, do you think you can remove 30 bullets out of your body with bandages a Bottle of Alcohol and morphine ? Go for it..
I didn't say one body armour, I said unlimited body armour. You don't think a limitation is in order?
Most bank robberies and big shoot-outs (where the SAPD is gonna need SWAT to come in) happen in buildings, I thought you'd understand that part. Like 1+1 right? :trust:
And no, you don't drag the enforcer inside the bank. You set it right in front of the building and it takes you less than 30 seconds to refil and get back in.
About the morphine and all that...when you get hit by 30 bullets, you're dead anyway. Let me ask you, do you type /hurt when you're on low hp or do you suddenly forget about what it would cause you to do in real-life? I guess it's all different then huh, real-life and roleplay? Whatever makes your case, right?
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Paperinik i agree with you 100% on this. it is BS, but nothing we say will change it so this is just a waste of time and effort.
We try to get some fairness for criminals, you think the scripters or the Main admin cops are going to agree.. no.. I dont
understand why cops are alowed to rejoin after death, get free unlimited ammu, and unlimited armour, But they do. Criminals
ofc have to spend thousands of dollars on their equipment but no one cares as long as the police are getting theirs for free and
don't have to spend a penny.
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We try to get some fairness for criminals, you think the scripters or the Main admin cops are going to agree.. no.. I dont
For you have no idea how many criminals would take advantage of the said "fairness". More cops being shot down, more cops being laughed at after failing chases, et cetera.
Not all Criminals want fairness for the sake of it, others want it only so the cops would have a disadvantage. Other than good criminals like Araatus, Corleone, Stracci, and et cetera, there also exist the "bad" criminals that want nothing more than to laugh at cops shot down in combat rather than be a quality criminal.
About the moans, yes, this contains more moaning. Just look at posts / video by Panda and Vince, even in the old days when Cops had advantages, a lot less complained.
Before:
-"YOU SET US UP!!!"
Now:
-"ABUSE!" "SWAT ABUSING /SUSPECT!" "ADMINS UNSUS ME"
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You want SWAT to deploy with golfsticks and 9mm's?
It's not for fun that it's called: SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS.
And I know this is not a real life situation, but if you know in the real SWAT.
You have Alpha, Bravo and Charlie teams (and even more).
If you don't wanna get pwned by SWAT, don't do kidnappings, robberies....
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i Also think it is worng that FBI just ecript them with 1000 smg or more when nomal patrol & of course armour
i think they only should be used in 207 and stuff like that..
Also thinks its wrong that FBI is allowed to shoot someones vehicle that AINT faster or neither dangerous agaisnt them, ( ARPD rules ) i think it should be the same for FBI & ARPD, since i got /su'ed for evading ( since Battle knew i was doing weed, talking with him over ventrilo )
and then they attempted to crash my car with their SMG i would understand it if they were on foot and using deagles but it was SMG and i was using a feltzer, that car aint faster than a FBI Rancher. Hope it will be changed as well as, they can get full armour 24/7 when suspects has to pay for it.
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Well, ARPD rules changed since RS4.0. We know can shoot any vehicle we want with SMG.
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Alright Simon... read this aswell...
You the criminals CAUSE Damage to the state, WE the Agents/Officers SERVE to keep it LOW and nobody could take control of the city... You understand this? Among our Payment... we do get FUNDS to Survive and keep cleaning the TOWN... so this is why we get it FREE.. but still... armour has it's own rules in the FBI too... we Don't re-fill armour during a combat/situation, ONLY once it's finished / done.
You pay to destroy us (Buy legal guns and use them Against the law, Bombs, Drugs.. etc. ), We get PAID to stop you.. Nobody forced us to join those ARPD Divisions, we did it our SELF to Protect the state.. so we get THIS.. (Armour - Guns) to Protect the State and to Force you to stop! Get it? If yes.. then you should also stop moaning.
And as for that... this is the reason of Existance of the ARPD and it's Sub-Divisions.. if it wasn't there... who would protect the city? The civilians who destroy it? Nope.
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You want SWAT to deploy with golfsticks and 9mm's?
Doesn't matter, if you die, just fill it up and rejoin the battle? You'll still win in the end.
I can't see the fairness in it, we need to pay for everything and we can't win, even if we kill you ten times you return and return and return until we are dead. Soon there wont be as many criminals as usual, and your special teams for organised DM wont be needed.
It's not for fun that it's called: SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS.
Yeah, but in your case it should be called UNLIMITED WEAPONS AND LIVES.
And I know this is not a real life situation, but if you know in the real SWAT.
You have Alpha, Bravo and Charlie teams (and even more).
Uhm, and? I can't see your point.
If you don't wanna get pwned by SWAT, don't do kidnappings, robberies....
It's not very hard to kill people with unlimited free weapons, armour and lives. In fact, you are the one who is pwned, because you need 500 advantages to even out the odds.
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For all those people out there who seem to believe that we only care about script support for cops...
I am working on support for criminals, leave me alone please
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Wow wow wow. you dont know your members in FBI then, me and one of my friends was in a chase of a suspect. and on the way we picked up a FBI guy there said ohh only 900 smg back
Lurk moar.
Talking about me? Say the name then.
YOU blew my car with your lag. Then one of 'your' men said that he was running out of SMG ammo. Then I said to JOKE "Ooops I only have 9000 left". HOW THE HELL can you take something like that SERIOUSLY.
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Leave the FBI out of here Please.
If you don't wanna get pwned by SWAT, don't do kidnappings, robberies....
Don't do it? So if we stop it the server will become only an Cop Server. And Criminals on Argonath will end i guess. Yesterday i checked the players and there were ONLY 5 or 6 players who wans't a cop. So my Point is, wanna be a criminal, Don't RP anymore. Run for your Life!
It's not very hard to kill people with unlimited free weapons, armour and lives. In fact, you are the one who is pwned, because you need 500 advantages to even out the odds.
+1 Here
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FBI has private rules for weaponequip. We do not equip about 1000 SMG as Velux Said. We never equip more then 250+. And we may ONLY equip in a Kidnap and a gangwar. Nothing more. For all the others, we use SMG.
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Nobody but Wolfe seemed to get the point of this topic. If you ONLY want to discuss SWAT having the ability to get armour, do it somewhere else. This topic is about the comparison of SWAT vs criminals and how we can make it more balanced by brainstorming new ideas that would give criminals more of an edge than they have right now.
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SWAT obviously had to leave the place, go back to their vehicles and refill their armour and ammunition
Criminals healing in an interior is different...as they are still technically in combat
FBI should equip armour and weapons in the FBI hq, and not from vans.
That means they can camp outside after death, get armed again, and shoot us if we try to escape... even though they were just killed.
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If we're fighting SWAT then we're probably screwed anyway, since they're basically blue team criminals.
Even so, if I saw anyone at all refilling armour in a police van during a shootout, I would of course suggest every criminal involved heal themselves, its only fair eh?
I don't support cops having 1 life. They suck too bad for that.
In the trial of that rule, the criminals just committed police genocide across the whole server and then were left with no cops to fight at all..
Criminals are too good at combat compared to cops for that to happen.
Cops get infinite lives because they need them. Consider it a criminal handicap, like in golf :<. Even so, cops should still have to die and so on. They shouldn't be able to return to an equip vehicle in combat and refill anything. They should prepare and go in. If they fuck up, they die. Just how it should be.
I am working on support for criminals, leave me alone please
Cool :o.
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..moan moar...
Nexxt, only because you ARE swat. You don't really care.
SAPD can return after death, which means unlimited health. SWAT can refill armour unlimited, which means unlimited armour. Criminal's have a limited amount of health, armour, lives, ammunition.
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This topic is in place to have James reply... But he's not here... He would really teach you guys with what he would reply with. I mean seriously why still the complaints? You have the ability to escape and shit.. Is that not enough? Like I've always said the reason cops can return from the death is because ICly they're not the same person, they're 'additional units' responding back to the call. Slap me when the day comes where a criminal IRL kills the whole local police force, SWAT team, FBI, and National Guard, then get back to me.
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Slap me when the day comes where a criminal IRL kills the whole local police force, SWAT team, FBI, and National Guard, then get back to me.
Slap me when cops can die four times and then come back to jail the suspect.
You said that they act like "additional units"? Interesting, they always seem to know exactly what happened, even though they just arrived. The police radio must be full of text, describing every little detail in every shootout, even with names (which you can't know).
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Stay on-topic and stop moaning!!!
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Stay on-topic and stop moaning!!!
Technically, the topic is about moaning...
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One word, Deal with it and stop moaning..
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Well, I agree with Panda, though, criminals should not get wanted at the first place so quickly, because crimes should be hidden (unless murders)
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Technically, the topic is about moaning...
You obviously still miss the point of this topic, just like everybody else.
One word, Deal with it and stop moaning..
Thanks parrot.
Let me explain again, one last time, so even a 5 year-old is able to understand what this topic is about.
This topic is not about moaning about SWAT or how criminals cannot refil
On Argonath, you're not allowed to gain health while you're in an interior during a shoot-out.
SWAT is able to use their Enforcer to get body armour while the shoot-out inside is still going on. Getting out the building, equiping with armour and getting back in usually doesn't take very long. This is how SWAT can refil themselves and the cops around them.
Criminals cannot refil. This used to be different in the past but after a lot of NON-RP /buy [drink] script abuse, a new rule was implemented that criminals are no longer allowed to do this during a shoot-out.
If you think this is unfair, then lets try and get new ideas to gain health in an interior, that leaves any script abuse out of the question. If you see this as moaning, you should report me for moaning and don't post anything. The moderators will handle your report.
SWAT-member DHRMike understands. He just posted a new idea after viewing this topic:
http://argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=46829.0 (http://argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=46829.0)
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The SWAT has kevlar vests and ammo clips in the back of their trucks. They roleplay refilling their shit there.
Tehnically, if you had a shootout at your house and you roleplayed taking ammo clips from your weapon cabinet during a shootout it should be allowed?
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As far as I am concerned, you can run away from the shooting, enter your HQ or whatever and heal. And you can escape too. Some criminals like Panda always do this and I can say they usually give cops a hard time. So if you're comitting a crime in a bank, you wanted to.
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SWAT roleplays it, they go outside the building, grab new armour and bullets and move back inside
good RP,allowed
as a criminal that just goes drink a bit, thats not really RP, there also are no medic kits just around the bank vault so that doesnt goes up as well
you can go RP it though, as Jayl says: run away, RP medical kit(on logic place, not just at a tv or so)
also everything criminals do is moan: ohh cops got scripters and we dont
we have lots of rules to follow, suspects dont, we cant just come up with all guns,
suspects can, criminals decides what happens during kidnappings, not the cops
we have to deal with lots of cops, tactics, criminals dont
we got ppl that gotta listen to us, ppl we dont know, freecops,
while criminals is all good trained, and no problems
only hunter/hydra isnt fair, if you ask me: remove
but outside that criminals are in advantage
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Some criminals like Panda always do this and I can say they usually give cops a hard time.
To be honest, I never ever heal. :B
I just die ;(.
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Alright Simon... read this aswell...
You the criminals CAUSE Damage to the state, WE the Agents/Officers SERVE to keep it LOW and nobody could take control of the city... You understand this? Among our Payment... we do get FUNDS to Survive and keep cleaning the TOWN... so this is why we get it FREE.. but still... armour has it's own rules in the FBI too... we Don't re-fill armour during a combat/situation, ONLY once it's finished / done.
You pay to destroy us (Buy legal guns and use them Against the law, Bombs, Drugs.. etc. ), We get PAID to stop you.. Nobody forced us to join those ARPD Divisions, we did it our SELF to Protect the state.. so we get THIS.. (Armour - Guns) to Protect the State and to Force you to stop! Get it? If yes.. then you should also stop moaning.
And as for that... this is the reason of Existance of the ARPD and it's Sub-Divisions.. if it wasn't there... who would protect the city? The civilians who destroy it? Nope.
Sorry to say it, but i shoot battle down to 0 armour and down to approx 30 health, and he did re fill he's armour.
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Sorry to say it, but i shoot battle down to 0 armour and down to approx 30 health, and he did re fill he's armour.
Hey there, click me to solve the problem! (http://fbi.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=5.0)
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cops = allowed script abuse
criminals = no
solution?
argonath = police state.
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solution?
argonath = police state.
Playground for cops. Police = kids, criminals = their toys.
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Yea to be honest, stanley is kind of right.
And like David Omid is right,
Criminals in combat in interiors cant get food because they are in combat. Are SWAT not in combat?
Criminals eat food and get health, like you see in RL, if theyre hurt, they try to heal themselves.
You dont see SWAT running outside every 5 minutes to their trucks to getmore ammo and another bulletproof vest........
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FBI has private rules for weaponequip. We do not equip about 1000 SMG as Velux Said. We never equip more then 250+. And we may ONLY equip in a Kidnap and a gangwar. Nothing more. For all the others, we use SMG.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: then should you check up on the members some more (no flaming, just pure facts)
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we RPed a simple bank robbery (Not really took anything or harmed anyone but the cops coming at us) and they had whole buncha swat and they were definetley refilling somehow because all they did was go to top floor after being shot and came back with more ammo and more armour.
Fix for this: Let civils and all others 'store' a weapon or something into their pack or something.
Maybe: /buy pack (RP of course) then you can store guns, maybe weed and heroin also?
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Fix for this: Let civils and all others 'store' a weapon or something into their pack or something.
Obviously you are forgetting that we can all pull weapons out of our asses, criminals also, not just cops. :)
As for those who are moaning about FBI, shut with the f**king moaning about us and do the universe a favor by not wasting carbon molecules!
You don't have shit loads of rules and regulations to follow, we do.
You don't have very long training to go through and months of waiting as Cadet, we do.
You don't risk facing major punishment for offenses that can be seen as minor, we do.
You don't get shat on simply because of the Fed status, we do.
Happy now?
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Hey, here's a thought: Let's all focus on combat, instead of the roleplay! Yeah, because we ALL love the combat more than the roleplay! YES, BECAUSE ARGONATH IS A SERVER WHERE YOU CAN KILL, KILL, AND KILL, BECAUSE IT'S NOT MEANT FOR ROLEPLAY!
Seriously people, let's open our eyes, shall we? You fellows are arguing about how the law enforcement agencies have unrealistic power against the criminals, in relation to what happens in real life. Here's a question for you: In what township, city, district, region, or state in America have a ga-fucking-billion shootouts in a day? Don't like the unrealisticness? Argonath isn't for you.
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I play Argonath purely because it is unrealistic. Why would you want a game to be realistic?
Reality is shit. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be on this server hiding from it.
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I play Argonath purely because it is unrealistic. Why would you want a game to be realistic?
Reality is shit. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be on this server hiding from it.
Amen to that.
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You don't have shit loads of rules and regulations to follow, we do.
We don't? We can't return after death, you can. We can only use five cars, you can use infinite. We can't go on forever because of the cost of weapons or gasoline, you can. We can never gain anything from being criminals, you earn money from being cops.
You don't have very long training to go through and months of waiting as Cadet, we do.
You don't seem to learn anything except how to DM, about a week ago I RPed with Agent Curse and Agent BattleKolta, and Curse fucked it all up, as usual. Isn't RP vital for an FBI Agent? In that case the training couldn't have been that long, and therefore the reason for your waiting is because you are ineffective.
You don't risk facing major punishment for offenses that can be seen as minor, we do.
I haven't seen any FBI being banned from the server for driving 100km/h in the city.
You don't get shat on simply because of the Fed status, we do.
No, you get shat on because you think that you are superior to all the criminals because you have been in a queue for two months. The fact is, that many criminals are laughing at many agents' poor knowledge of common RP. Want to get rid of it? Learn the FBI cadets to RP properly rather than teaching them how to use a M4 more effectively.
Point is, you have a huge advantage over criminals, and we can never gain anything but fun from being criminal. You don't understand that you are digging your own grave, if the criminals disappear you wont have anything to do = you will get bored. Even it out and it will be more stuff to do for you = more cops will be needed = more fun, and we have a bigger chance to escape = we don't lose all our money. Win/win situation?
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Doesn't matter, if you die, just fill it up and rejoin the battle? You'll still win in the end.
I can't see the fairness in it, we need to pay for everything and we can't win, even if we kill you ten times you return and return and return until we are dead. Soon there wont be as many criminals as usual, and your special teams for organised DM wont be needed.
Yeah, but in your case it should be called UNLIMITED WEAPONS AND LIVES.
Uhm, and? I can't see your point.
It's not very hard to kill people with unlimited free weapons, armour and lives. In fact, you are the one who is pwned, because you need 500 advantages to even out the odds.
Well, You think a Police Department would only have 5 SWAT Operatives ? *sigh* And btw, Some of you need to learn that OFFICERS, DO NOT, GET BLOODY FREE ARMOUR. They only get a Deagle, SMG, Nitestick, And pepper Spray..
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FBI has nothing to do with this topic so drop it. The only ideas we have now are first-aid kits and some kind of glue they use in the army that gains a little bit of health. Anyone got any better ideas?
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Obviously you are forgetting that we can all pull weapons out of our asses, criminals also, not just cops. :)
As for those who are moaning about FBI, shut with the f**king moaning about us and do the universe a favor by not wasting carbon molecules!
You don't have shit loads of rules and regulations to follow, we do.Can't endure the heat? then GTFO of the kitchen111oneone!!!
You don't have very long training to go through and months of waiting as Cadet, we do. That's all you have to do though, and you just admitted it. Training and waiting. Training = preparing for situations and increasing your gunning skills. Waiting = just waiting. May I see this soo hard labor your milking for every post?
You don't risk facing major punishment for offenses that can be seen as minor, we do. Yes, we do. We can't get in trains, kill all cops we see (Unlike cops to criminals), we can't return after death, we can't use planes to escape, we can't have more than 1 chance per crime. See, when you actually look into it, it balances out doesn't it?
You don't get shat on simply because of the Fed status, we do. Please, don't give me that. We have cops every day complaining of non RP, killing them, or even cops wanting to have an added advantage! And we do get ''shat'' on.
Happy now?
No, not really. Stop acting like you have so much importance and have so many rules and your soo good to be in the FBI.. because truthfully, I can become FBI too. stop this fighting, be cop for every time im online, learn procedures, get good with guns and shooting, and just wait. You don't have to do that much.
I'm done with the talk of FBI... @ Paper: Read my SA:MP ideas topic.
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We don't? We can't return after death, you can. We can only use five cars, you can use infinite. We can't go on forever because of the cost of weapons or gasoline, you can. We can never gain anything from being criminals, you earn money from being cops.
You don't seem to learn anything except how to DM, about a week ago I RPed with Agent Curse and Agent BattleKolta, and Curse f**ked it all up, as usual. Isn't RP vital for an FBI Agent? In that case the training couldn't have been that long, and therefore the reason for your waiting is because you are ineffective.
I haven't seen any FBI being banned from the server for driving 100km/h in the city.
No, you get shat on because you think that you are superior to all the criminals because you have been in a queue for two months. The fact is, that many criminals are laughing at many agents' poor knowledge of common RP. Want to get rid of it? Learn the FBI cadets to RP properly rather than teaching them how to use a M4 more effectively.
Point is, you have a huge advantage over criminals, and we can never gain anything but fun from being criminal. You don't understand that you are digging your own grave, if the criminals disappear you wont have anything to do = you will get bored. Even it out and it will be more stuff to do for you = more cops will be needed = more fun, and we have a bigger chance to escape = we don't lose all our money. Win/win situation?
You're very wrong my friend... the rule of 5 cars in each pursuit is removed ;) You can use unlimited too. (Rules topic is not updated.)
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Everyone that thinks they cannot have fun because the Cops have an advantage needs to get brain surgery.
Look at the new players who come here to the Server and go on crime sprees, they are making something more sensible out of their lives by having fun keeping the cops busy instead of being total moaners on the forums going "ADVANTAGE THIS ADVANTAGE THAT". Advantage my ass, if you want equal Cop and Criminal, visit a TDM. Why is it that the criminals who aren't busy moaning still manage to have fun? Take a lesson from them.
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Wars should basically be a TDM, its Blue Team vs. Orange Team after all.
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This takes place on an RPG though, so things are different. Except in a gang war between two Mafias without the cops interfering.
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Some thoughts..
Why blame SWAT when Criminals escape police in cars, while driver stops the car outside a Pizza Stuck and the passenger types /enter (still inside the vehicle), /buy meal (inside) and then /exit and back to combat or escape to the driver who drove around the block, then they head and do same as ammo-nation. Cops been up there as the whole time..
Script abuse?
Do cops moan about it?
Same when "criminals" hangs outside there HQ in a shoot out, enters the HQ and spamming /buy milk inside there bar and then exits again, same scenario as (SWAT exits and get armour and then gets back in again?)
Or when criminal dose same as above but /load weapon..... in "middle of shoot-out"?
Script abuse?
Do cops moan about it?
What should cops then get to make it "fair" when criminals dose anything of the 2 options above which they do regularly?
Also where is it stated "criminals may not heal in combat"?
As far as i'm concern they may..
And an other thought...
Usage of medics who are on the scen of a figth and either Police or criminal uses the medic? is it unrealistic that you get medical treatment and the feel better or is this a kind of "heal abuse" scenario to ?
I believe it's at this moment very fair for all "sides" if you think about all views and options each "side" has.. Just use your imagine and the recourse that dose exist on different tactics to survive both as cop or criminal.. Look at Joe (Nitrox) as an example.. Before he commits a crime he already made several escape routes ready to get out of there. Use your brain and you can survive cops or criminals..
And hey, have cops moan about criminals calling an driver (often an member in same group mafia/gang) to drive the train away from cops which is unstoppable for cops since they cannot make an roadblock to stop it? And it's very hard to kill the criminal who is a passenger due the location he is placed when used /getin command.
Over and out! :m4: :sig:
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Also where is it stated "criminals may not heal in combat"?
As far as i'm concern they may..
Really?
Cool! D:
And hey, have cops moan about criminals calling an driver (often an member in same group mafia/gang) to drive the train away from cops which is unstoppable for cops since they cannot make an roadblock to stop it?
Suspect the train driver. Roadblock not needed.
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Congratulations Panda, you get a point for understanding that :)
If you know how to deal with different cases and organize yourselves then it's much easier to play without argue, complaint or moan..
Like for an example, an huge advantage as criminal to avoid cops is by using a train cos it's unstoppable for cops by attempt to shoot the driver/passenger or to block it.. BUT if you know they key to stop it, suspect the driver, then you have solved that advantage ;)
Everything will has it advantages and disadvantages for everyone in one or an other way..
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Some thoughts..
Why blame SWAT when Criminals escape police in cars, while driver stops the car outside a Pizza Stuck and the passenger types /enter (still inside the vehicle), /buy meal (inside) and then /exit and back to combat or escape to the driver who drove around the block, then they head and do same as ammo-nation. Cops been up there as the whole time..
Script abuse?
Do cops moan about it?
This is not on on-topic. This is a different situation where SWAT is not even needed.
Same when "criminals" hangs outside there HQ in a shoot out, enters the HQ and spamming /buy milk inside there bar and then exits again, same scenario as (SWAT exits and get armour and then gets back in again?)
Or when criminal dose same as above but /load weapon..... in "middle of shoot-out"?
Script abuse?
Do cops moan about it?
Again, different situation and yes cops do moan about it.
What should cops then get to make it "fair" when criminals dose anything of the 2 options above which they do regularly?
Also where is it stated "criminals may not heal in combat"?
As far as i'm concern they may..
CBF made that decision months back when Gvardia was doing it in their HQ. Since then you're not allowed to heal with /buy milk when the shootout is taking place in an interior. You must've missed it. This hasn't been allowed for months, unless I missed something.
And an other thought...
Usage of medics who are on the scen of a figth and either Police or criminal uses the medic? is it unrealistic that you get medical treatment and the feel better or is this a kind of "heal abuse" scenario to ?
Not on-topic.
I believe it's at this moment very fair for all "sides" if you think about all views and options each "side" has.. Just use your imagine and the recourse that dose exist on different tactics to survive both as cop or criminal.. Look at Joe (Nitrox) as an example.. Before he commits a crime he already made several escape routes ready to get out of there. Use your brain and you can survive cops or criminals..
And hey, have cops moan about criminals calling an driver (often an member in same group mafia/gang) to drive the train away from cops which is unstoppable for cops since they cannot make an roadblock to stop it? And it's very hard to kill the criminal who is a passenger due the location he is placed when used /getin command.
Over and out! :m4: :sig:
Not on-topic.
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Pancher trains are not allowed to be used by criminals.
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Pancher trains are not allowed to be used by criminals.
Cos there is a script who stops driver of it to use it. It's allowed to be used but you cannot drive it while wanted.. If you get my drift here..
And Mr Paperinik[CS] those situations are direct related to your "problem"..
And criminals have been allowed after that Paperinik[CS] to buy milk, beer or what they can find inside an interior so your wrong and haven't kept yourselves up to date.
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And Mr Paperinik[CS] those situations are direct related to your "problem"..
This topic is about shoot-outs that occur in interiors.
And criminals have been allowed after that Paperinik[CS] to buy milk, beer or what they can find inside an interior so your wrong and haven't kept yourselves up to date.
After what? A shoot-out? That's not what I said. I said you can't do /buy milk when the shoot-out is taking place in an interior. And that's the rule. I asked cDa tonight and he said the same thing. Also I was there the night when CBF announced this rule. Till Today I haven't seen anyone say different till your post. Perhaps a developer could shed some light on this.
Please keep in mind that this topic is only about shoot-outs that occur in interiors and not what happens outside.
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Allow Criminals to buy milk if SWAT is spotted re-equipping armour in the middle of a shootout.
Everybody happy now?
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If I'm not mistaking that "rule" was removed due moaning at that time from all different directions and a new part of script was added to avoid people to use /buy milk when there is cops just next to them..
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If I'm not mistaking that "rule" was removed due moaning at that time from all different directions and a new part of script was added to avoid people to use /buy milk when there is cops just next to them..
I didn't know that :lol:
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It' ok for them to do that the SWAT for they IRL can do that also
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It' ok for them to do that the SWAT for they IRL can do that also
Right, because when they get shot IRL they just put on a new suit of armour and it's as if nothing happened.
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It' ok for them to do that the SWAT for they IRL can do that also
Yeah, and IRL a Cop or Criminal can drink a glass of milk that seals their wounds instantly. Magic!
You are forgetting this is not 1337OLOLOLOL RL-RPG.
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Paperinik i agree with you 100% on this. it is BS, but nothing we say will change it so this is just a waste of time and effort.
We try to get some fairness for criminals, you think the scripters or the Main admin cops are going to agree.. no.. I dont
understand why cops are alowed to rejoin after death, get free unlimited ammu, and unlimited armour, But they do. Criminals
ofc have to spend thousands of dollars on their equipment but no one cares as long as the police are getting theirs for free and
don't have to spend a penny.
Yes I agree SAPD(freecops,ARPD,FBI,SWAT,Undercover)
has to many advantages over us criminals and when we say something about it people call us moaners mainly cops.
Cops get to steal our cars plenty of ammo(/duty after you have no ammo) and this is not called RP this is called lets get some cash from all Mafias,Mobs,Gangs,etc.
And the head admins and scripters are cops also and they think were moaning how about we switch sides for a day? any way cops got tons of numbers and there bot organized at all they just run around doing whatever so can you scripters give us something?
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Yes I agree SAPD(freecops,ARPD,FBI,SWAT,Undercover)
has to many advantages over us criminals and when we say something about it people call us moaners mainly cops.
Cops get to steal our cars plenty of ammo(/duty after you have no ammo) and this is not called RP this is called lets get some cash from all Mafias,Mobs,Gangs,etc.
And the head admins and scripters are cops also and they think were moaning how about we switch sides for a day? any way cops got tons of numbers and there bot organized at all they just run around doing whatever so can you scripters give us something?
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Allow Criminals to buy milk if SWAT is spotted re-equipping armour in the middle of a shootout.
Everybody happy now?
No. The thing is SWAT (or any weaponequipped cop for that matter) can die and equip himself new weapons and come back into the shootout in 30 seconds.
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No. The thing is SWAT (or any weaponequipped cop for that matter) can die and equip himself new weapons and come back into the shootout in 30 seconds.
:rofl:
You can lock the topic. There are no new ideas and everybody is moaning.
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Locked.