Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Clone on December 29, 2009, 05:50:56 pm
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I want to know the truth. is robbing or "scamming" in weapon deals allowed or not?
Many admins such as:
- [Rstar]IcyAero
- TeaM_Wayne
- [Rstar]Kitsune
- [Rstar]Kojak
- [AV]Tai
- [AV]Grzesiek
Say that it IS allowed, only if you RP it.
Other Admins Like:
- [Rstar]Sammir
- [Rstar]Rusty
- Daniel_Corleone
Say that is IS NOT allowed.
Please get me an answer.
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I think its allowed :roll:
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I also think that it is allowed, Because, Street deals are illegal and got risks with them such as this. If you don't want to get robbed. Buy in ammunations. That is how i think about it. And it should probably be right.
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I think its allowed. You just need to RP em'
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I want to know the truth. is robbing or "scamming" in weapon deals allowed or not?
Many admins such as:
- [Rstar]IcyAero
- TeaM_Wayne
- [Rstar]Kitsune
- [Rstar]Kojak
- [AV]Tai
- [AV]Grzesiek
Say that it IS allowed, only if you RP it.
Other Admins Like:
- [Rstar]Sammir
- [Rstar]Rusty
- Daniel_Corleone
Say that is IS NOT allowed.
Please get me an answer.
Allowed. Just in'da roleplay.
Requesting lock the topic: problem solved.
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Allowed. Just in'da roleplay.
Requesting lock the topic: problem solved.
lol noany. You havn't been on the server in like 3 months, you wouldn't know anything.
I think it should be allowed for low amounts but when its like over 50k it should be bannable.
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Allowed. Just in'da roleplay.
Requesting lock the topic: problem solved.
since when do you solve everything , acting a bit too much ?
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since when do you solve everything , acting a bit too much ?
Duhh, he's russian.
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Duhh, he's russian.
Duhh, me to - but you dont see me running around bossing everyone.
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Duhh, me to - but you dont see me running around bossing everyone.
But you're not living in the USA.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
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But you're not living in the USA.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
wat
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Was a new topic needed for it?
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=18054.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=18054.0)
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Was a new topic needed for it?
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=18054.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=18054.0)
As we see now,it was needet.
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I think its allowed. You just need to RP em'
Allowed. Just in'da roleplay.
You cant force someone to role play on Argonath.
Meaning, you cant rob someone for weapons, if he does not agreed on. Its the same principal as kidnapping, and asking for money. Hostage or person that is being robed will give an amount of money that he role plays he have in his pocket , not all money he really got.
Gambling is something else, since there is a legit and secure way by playing in Casinos, and court if need it.
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wat
Spam shit! :O
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Alright so let me makes this clear for everyone, at least I'll give it a try, correct me if I'm wrong.
Robbing and/or scamming is allowed only if you roleplay it, take note that you can't just pull your gun at the person that you want to rob and he will just type "/hail" and give you his cash. If that's the case, only if he wants to roleplay himself, you can't force him to be robbed.
And once you did a scam or a robbery, the amount should be a little more considerable, which means scamming weapons or such should not pass the value of $50,000. And the robbing should not pass $5,000 or any amount near that.
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If you RP it, it should be. Its like RPing stealing someones cash and converting it to guns, this way you skip a step.
Just hope your firearm that your registered to doesent end up in a murder.. :rofl:
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If you RP it, it should be. Its like RPing stealing someones cash and converting it to guns, this way you skip a step.
Just hope your firearm that your registered to doesent end up in a murder.. :rofl:
Before the dealer and the buyer event meet, they agree on a certain price. That price should not pass $50,000 when it will be about scamming.
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Alright so let me makes this clear for everyone, at least I'll give it a try, correct me if I'm wrong.
Robbing and/or scamming is allowed only if you roleplay it, take note that you can't just pull your gun at the person that you want to rob and he will just type "/hail" and give you his cash. If that's the case, only if he wants to roleplay himself, you can't force him to be robbed.
And once you did a scam or a robbery, the amount should be a little more considerable, which means scamming weapons or such should not pass the value of $50,000. And the robbing should not pass $5,000 or any amount near that.
Yes, you forgot one thing- Both parties in role play should agreed on role-playing "robbery" . If thats not a case and you just do
/me take out combat from my ass and shot da nigga in his face while TPing outside using /exit" , while the person is waiting for his money, thats scamming. If he agreed on that type of role play, thats stealing.
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Yes, you forgot one thing- Both parties in role play should agreed on role-playing "robbery" . If thats not a case and you just do
/me take out combat from my ass and shot da nigga in his face while TPing outside using /exit" , while the person is waiting for his money, thats scamming. If he agreed on that type of role play, thats stealing.
Actualy , "scamming" in that way is Allowed. If you receve the weapons or drugs first you don't have to pay , you can't su anyone for it becouse it is ilegal. Same goes for gambling outside casinos. IF you loose you dont have to pay.
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And once you did a scam or a robbery, the amount should be a little more considerable, which means scamming weapons or such should not pass the value of $50,000. And the robbing should not pass $5,000 or any amount near that.
Yes, you forgot one thing- Both parties in role play should agreed on role-playing "robbery" . If thats not a case and you just do
/me take out combat from my ass and shot da nigga in his face while TPing outside using /exit" , while the person is waiting for his money, thats scamming. If he agreed on that type of role play, thats stealing.
There's no limit or rule which says it mustn't exceed a limit of for example $50,000. If you're doing a weapon deal, then don't deal high amounts of weapons if you're afraid of getting robbed. If you want to deal high amounts of weapons, then keep backup with you in case someone tries to rob (or as Argonathians prefer, scam) you in a weapon or drug deal.
If you're doing a weapon deal, the buyer or other person does not have to ask for a permission to "scam" in an illegal weapon deal. If you get robbed or scammed (not paid) while dealing illegal weaponry or drugs, it's your own fault since you didn't deal with trusted people or didn't have a third party in the deal to make sure nothing went wrong.
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yeah, i remember when i once scammed some weed off of someone and i had to pay D:
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Alright so let me makes this clear for everyone, at least I'll give it a try, correct me if I'm wrong.
And once you did a scam or a robbery, the amount should be a little more considerable, which means scamming weapons or such should not pass the value of $50,000. And the robbing should not pass $5,000 or any amount near that.
lol LSRP....
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lol LSRP....
At least lol.
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lol LSRP....
i played LSRP And i didnt get it D:
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i played LSRP And i didnt get it D:
lol
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i played LSRP And i didnt get it D:
Ye, me too. Can someone explain me?
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Scamming is not allowed, however to be scamming it has to:
1. Involve a monetary or physical loss (not getting your promised gains is not a loss)
2. Involve legal deals.
Example:
Player A makes a deal with Player B to buy his car and to pay $50.000 extra.
Player B sells his car and Player A kills him.
This is scamming as the players were making a legal deal which was not fulfilled, and could not be avoided.
Example:
Player A wishes to buy weapons outside Ammunation from Player B.
Player A sends the money to Player B and Player B kills him.
This is not scamming, though there is a monetary loss, as the deal is deemed 'illegal'.
Now for a solution.
In the first case, and this also goes with illegal drug deals, there could have been a third trusted player present, Player C.
Player A pays to player C, then Player B sells the car and Player A buys it. After that Player C gives the money to Player B. Of course Player C has to be trusted by both players.
The case of weapon deals is even more simple. Weapons have a sending limit.
There for nothing stands in the way of doing the transaction in small parts.
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Great, one more reason people will just go being a cop, and making it a 70 percent cop community. They wont lose money in "allowed theft", so lets just go on /duty and catch the orange guy now!
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Solutions are given and people keep complaining.
Reality is that an average of 64% of players play as citizen and only 36% as a cop. So I don't know what you are singing there but ok if you want to say so, free to you.
As for the gun stuff, if you are not sure, bring your fellaz. You are always bunch of gvardias anyways and you seem to love cop attention so... 1+1=2 ;)
For the drug, it's simple ........ Fella don't pay? Fella has a bullet in his head! Then you just run around like always waiting to lose your wanted level.
PS: Whinning deserve unfriendly answer but I'm not that kind of person usualy... Hidden message here ;)
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I am not even bothered or concern for my own sake, since i dont do weapon or drug deal mostly, but i can only imagine, a new player, who chose criminal role play, and invest his first and last 5-6k that he saved from welcome money to earn money from drug deal or weapon deal, and then gets scammed by some "experience leet criminal" leaving him with zero money after all his hard work to make progress. That's what my concern is.
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I am not even bothered or concern for my own sake, since i dont do weapon or drug deal mostly, but i can only imagine, a new player, who chose criminal role play, and invest his first and last 5-6k that he saved from welcome money to earn money from drug deal or weapon deal, and then gets scammed by some "experience leet criminal" leaving him with zero money after all his hard work to make progress. That's what my concern is.
I believe there is a rule, DO NOT SCAM NEW PLAYERS.
If he got scammed, he should hope someone saw it, he would most propable say it in /p.
The least thing we could do is help him(/wire), im not sure if that rule exists, but some people tell me to not scam newbies.