Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: CBFasi on January 08, 2010, 01:02:11 pm
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FRISK
Disabled due to repeated misuse/abuse, please go back to old RP methods..
NAME COLOURS
ALL cops will now have the SAME COLOUR, the CADET colour, which happens to be the easiest to view against a variety of backgrounds, this all cops INCLUDES FREECOPS ...
You want to know someones rank /rank id if your on duty, if not on duty then TOUGH.....
TREAT all cops with same respect.......
SWAT will ONLY get DARK BLUE when wearing SWAT uniform...No longer...
FBI will retain DARK BLUE, but this is now for ALL FBI ranks..
There is NO chance of this changing,
It is unlikely to change back for SAPD..
if you do not like it LEAVE...
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Criminals, today is your LUCKY DAY, it is NOW LEGAL TO HAVE DRUGS ON YOU!!!! YAY!!!
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Criminals, today is your LUCKY DAY, it is NOW LEGAL TO HAVE DRUGS ON YOU!!!! YAY!!!
How come? Don't you think they will roleplay with the police officer that frisked them?
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How come? Don't you think they will roleplay with the police officer that frisked them?
No.
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Thats purely up to the players if they decide to rp
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So what, if you're so sure you know he got drugs on him, why can't you just do as you usually do...
I mean, jail him straight and then suspect him again, Jail, suspect, jail etc etc.
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Fair decision, great.
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No more freecops. :bye: :cop:
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Finally.
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The frisk thing was fucked anyway.
I like the decisions, but I liked the dark blue color more, so for everyone then.
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I'll be expecting to get more PMs from officers.. "Does ID xx has drugs?", as well as other admins.
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This is LIVE now....
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FBI will retain DARK BLUE, but this is now for ALL FBI ranks..
Bull.
The FBI is worse than the SAPD, a darker colour looks better, which is the opposite effect.
If the rest of the ARPD is going to have one colour (which is fine, by the way) then the FBI also should.
SWAT are an elite unit, the colour is justified.
The FBI are just another police faction that got lucky to be one of the first "Police groups" and chose a lovely time to be popular when going into RS3, and hence got script support. Superior groups (SASD?) got totally ignored, because they came too late.
This is going to cause arguments beyond belief.
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SWAT is not dark blue..
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SWAT will ONLY get DARK BLUE when wearing SWAT uniform...
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No.
I gave away 200 Grams of heroin last time without using a /frisk command and I will do it next time as well if I got it on me, so don't judge everyone, my friend.
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The 'superior' groups do not have a designated task or area. They formed more as 'clan' then as subdivision or independent division.
The recent changes will work to the advantage of thse groups, as they have the possibility to show their coordinated teamwork and get more members by that.
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NAME COLOURS
ALL cops will now have the SAME COLOUR
I have a great idea.
If we can't see diffrence on our colleges, what about having no ranks in ARPD at all, and just everyone is based as 'Officer'.
would make everything easier ah?
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This is great, now all freecop haters maybe start to respect them as the player they are, not for the color they got above their head
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This is great, now all freecop haters maybe start to respect them as the player they are, not for the color they got above their head
Disrespect against freecops got nothing to do with their 'color above their head'.
It got something with them, not knowing how to do what, and how.
They shoot even YOU when you are on duty.
THAT starts disrespect.
Freecops not listening to what you say, can start it too.
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People who have struggled to become an officer+ aren't given any advantages over cadets/freecops then?
And why did you change?
If freecops aren't treated the same was as an officer, then the player(s) who does not treat the freecop good can go to hell, and the freecop has to be tougher if he/she wants to prove that he/she is a good cop.
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I hope this stops the racism against the freecops.
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Disrespect against freecops got nothing to do with their 'color above their head'.
It got something with them, not knowing how to do what, and how.
They shoot even YOU when you are on duty.
THAT starts disrespect.
Freecops not listening to what you say, can start it too.
Then PM them and tell them that it's not allowed to shoot on others like that. i'm doing it everytime i see it, and 8 freecops out of 10 has stopped and PM'ed me back 'i'm sorry, i didn't know'. you can't expect that every new player knows the rules directly when they enter the server for the first time.
Freecops are still humans, they have feelings. If i entered a new server and wanted to play there, and i do 1 mistake and i get shitloads of flame and moaning back, i would never EVER go back to that server again. Think about yourself, would you do it?
they have the rights to be treated exactly the same as a regular player.
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People who have struggled to become an officer+ aren't given any advantages over cadets/freecops then?
Now with /frisk removed, there is NO difference between Freecop / Officer, Freecop / Senior Officer, with the exception of getting more ammo...
GG!
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Now with /frisk removed, there is NO difference between Freecop / Officer, Freecop / Senior Officer, with the exception of getting more ammo...
GG!
OK, except for the ammo and /rank that shows the person's rank - no difference.
Then what is the point of being cadet+?
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Frisk command removed. Ok for me. But now you dont know does criminal really lie to you cus probably most of criminals will say that they are clean even when they are not. Ok for me.
Colour thing...I really dont like it , but what can i do about it... :conf:
I also think that officers+ must get some advantage except from just getting free SMG...dont really need to be "advantage" but something to make them higher than others. Like the dark blue colour that was before. I will write my idea in ideas board.
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Finally.
True, no more "OMG Your a nab freecop im darkblue lawl"...I guess this maybe be caused because of high ranks cops destreating freecops.
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This is fantastic.
I'm sure this will make a significant difference to the atmosphere for the better.
Thanks. :D
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Fantastic..
I'm sad since most cops wont like it... and I'm also sad for /frisk beeing removed..... but happy for freecops :P
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This topic shows the true colors of some people... :lol:
I always wanted the color change for a while now
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Colour wont change their behaviour. Now when they are almost same as SAPD Chiefs (except chiefs get SMG) , they will still rulebreak and do stuff like before. Which will cause disrespect again. It was not cus of their colour, it was mostly cus of their behaviour.
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Colour wont change their behaviour. Now when they are almost same as SAPD Chiefs (except chiefs get SMG) , they will still rulebreak and do stuff like before. Which will cause disrespect again. It was not cus of their colour, it was mostly cus of their behaviour.
But you won't be able to know if they're freecops or officers. (for senior officers and above they're known in the comunity)
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Bull.
The FBI is worse than the SAPD, a darker colour looks better, which is the opposite effect.
If the rest of the ARPD is going to have one colour (which is fine, by the way) then the FBI also should.
SWAT are an elite unit, the colour is justified.
The FBI are just another police faction that got lucky to be one of the first "Police groups" and chose a lovely time to be popular when going into RS3, and hence got script support. Superior groups (SASD?) got totally ignored, because they came too late.
This is going to cause arguments beyond belief.
You are completely wrong Panda...
You don't know almost nothing about us.... Do you know how many trainings - guides and rules we got? I doubt you have an Idea.
It took me like 4 months and something.. to get the rank of Agent..(Not only for me, but even for the rest ex-cadets).. and it's not cause it's difficult or so.. but cause of the hard trainings and tests we had to go through with Patience.
SASD had got Official Support if Im not wrong.. and they were not ignored but it's up to the group to post pictures/videos and valid evidence that they make the difference in SAPD to get official... in anyway all SAPD Sub-Divisions have closed.. (Command made that decision).. so do not say we're just a police group... we're more than that.
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FBI play a big part in investigations in Argonath and expand the RP, so I don't get how FBI is "lucky" to be part of ARPD. However it rather seems criminals don't want FBI around because FBI expand the RP in siutations rather then just kill or jail the suspect, and criminals prefer to just kill the cops.
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No more freecops. :bye: :cop:
Yep.
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This sucks.
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FBI expand the RP in siutations rather then just kill or jail the suspect,
I lol'd.
Where do you come up with this stuff dude? You should do standup.
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WOOOHOOOOOOO
another victory for the criminal whiners :hit:
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I'm sad since most cops wont like it...
Heh, you say that just coz you're FBI :D
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Good idea, in my opinion.
Perhaps this will stop the hate against freecops and such.
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FBI expand the RP in siutations rather then just kill or jail the suspect,
Maybe that's why they Never (well, okay, 2 times out of 100) they pay to hostages, and prefer a sniper to shoot the kidnapper?
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Maybe that's why they Never (well, okay, 2 times out of 100) they pay to hostages, and prefer a sniper to shoot the kidnapper?
Latest orders are different... we do not give money no more ;)
I lol'd.
Where do you come up with this stuff dude? You should do standup.
You ever had an Agent jailing you without Interrogation or a research of your crime? I highly doubt...
Heh, you say that just coz you're FBI :D
Nop... it happent the summer when i was an Officer.. and I've felt how bad it was... I was one of the few that days that resisted... and complained about it.... if we hadn't.. it would be still this now..
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No more freecops. :bye: :cop:
wRONg, We are all now Freecops ;)
FBI expand the RP in siutations rather then just kill or jail the suspect, and criminals prefer to just kill the cops.
Where do you come up with this stuff dude?
I must say Panda has a point...
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Those that are moaning.... if it is that serious GO AWAY, LEAVE US, let the rest of the server carry on without your moaning.
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Can't understand the purpose for this, but, ok..
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You ever had an Agent jailing you without Interrogation or a research of your crime? I highly doubt...
I've never had the embarrassment of being caught by a member of your brazilian parkour mafia police group.
In every Araatus kidnap in recent memory, where the FBI got involved, the hostage died. Heck, one time we actually got paid by the hostage, and then you got him killed anyway.
In contrast, the hostage has survived before in situations primarily led by SAPD, or more specifically SWAT. Granted, we got away with the cash, but the hostage's safety is the main aim, which the FBI disregards too much for my liking (or for the hostages liking, as they have described to us in the past).
For the record, I don't want dark blue back. Having the same colour as cadets and freecops is not such a bad idea.
I just want everyone to be light blue, without totally random exceptions such as the FBI.
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I'm very pleased with these changes. All for the better.
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I'm very pleased with these changes. All for the better.
I agree with you.
But the change needs to be across all law enforcement.
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You are completely wrong Panda...
You don't know almost nothing about us.... Do you know how many trainings - guides and rules we got? I doubt you have an Idea.
It took me like 4 months and something.. to get the rank of Agent..(Not only for me, but even for the rest ex-cadets).. and it's not cause it's difficult or so.. but cause of the hard trainings and tests we had to go through with Patience.
SASD had got Official Support if Im not wrong.. and they were not ignored but it's up to the group to post pictures/videos and valid evidence that they make the difference in SAPD to get official... in anyway all SAPD Sub-Divisions have closed.. (Command made that decision).. so do not say we're just a police group... we're more than that.
FBI play a big part in investigations in Argonath and expand the RP, so I don't get how FBI is "lucky" to be part of ARPD. However it rather seems criminals don't want FBI around because FBI expand the RP in siutations rather then just kill or jail the suspect, and criminals prefer to just kill the cops.
The feds' problem is that they seem to role-play only between themselves. That's the source of the "-OMG FBI doesnt rp -OMFG yes we do, watch us!".
You guys should role-play around criminals while undercover, take pictures and stuff, show them that you're sniffing and role-playing. Don't just arrive with guns pointed at the suspects. Because most of the times from the criminal's point of view you just go in, shoot (sometimes cuff when the suspect doesn't move all) and seek for a next target.
Prove your skills by showing them to others (especially to criminals, spectating civilians), not only the involved guys from your own side, like heads of police.
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I really wonder why FBI got the benefit of having blue names :redface:
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The feds' problem is that they seem to role-play only between themselves. That's the source of the "-OMG FBI doesnt rp -OMFG yes we do, watch us!".
You guys should role-play around criminals while undercover, take pictures and stuff, show them that you're sniffing and role-playing. Don't just arrive with guns pointed at the suspects. Because most of the times from the criminal's point of view you just go in, shoot (sometimes cuff when the suspect doesn't move all) and seek for a next target.
Prove your skills by showing them to others (especially to criminals, spectating civilians), not only the involved guys from your own side, like heads of police.
You don't know how much undercover work we do... And when we are undercover you can't see the undercover agent is FBI.
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I really wonder why FBI got the benefit of having blue names :redface:
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Finally.
And I think the FBI should get involved only in major crimes and busts, I mean they get involved only with the so called "top kriminalz".
Maybe you guys should change your names so you will be REALLY undercover. :razz:
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The most funny part is that during kidnappings people call the cops to get the cash, not the hostage's friends, colleagues or relatives. :rofl:
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The most funny part is that during kidnappings people call the cops to get the cash, not the hostage's friends, colleagues or relatives. :rofl:
Or they call my Cellphone :cop:
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You don't know how much undercover work we do... And when we are undercover you can't see the undercover agent is FBI.
And exactly that is the problem. You might be role-playing, but no-one from outside of the FBI knows about it.
Go around criminals' HQ's or kidnappers' hiding spots with cameras, sniff around, pretend to be a civilian. SHOW OFF in front of the CRIMINALS that you're role-playing, and make it clear that you're a fed. Then you might earn a better opinion from them.
The most funny part is that during kidnappings people call the cops to get the cash, not the hostage's friends, colleagues or relatives. :rofl:
True, never understood that. I always thought kidnappers wouldn't want cops to even know about the kidnapping. But that's the criminals' fault, not cops'.
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You guys should role-play around criminals while undercover, take pictures and stuff, show them that you're sniffing and role-playing. Don't just arrive with guns pointed at the suspects. Because most of the times from the criminal's point of view you just go in, shoot (sometimes cuff when the suspect doesn't move all) and seek for a next target.
I'm not a agent on SA:MP, so I don't see what they do off-duty. I'm speaking from what I see when they are on duty.
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Well, it's the solution against discrimination of freecops. Good job.
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How is a benefit having darkblue color? It's just color come on!
I like this update and as CBF said, leave if you don't like...
I will just ignore Panda's moaning and provoking as he has absolutely no idea what is FBI
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How is a benefit having darkblue color? It's just color come on!
I like this update and as CBF said, leave if you don't like...
I will just ignore Panda's moaning and provoking as he has absolutely no idea what is FBI
As I said on the ARPD forum.....This alternation will help in stabilization and equivalence into SAPD
We are not known by our color in mainchat...I never judged a player by his color,than his acts..
Good job Celeborn
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I will just ignore Panda's moaning and provoking
The trademark statement for someone who lost an argument, as you did on the server.
I really wonder why FBI got the benefit of having blue names :redface:
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Well, seems finally things will be more fair, and it seems almost that there wil be minimum or no complaining of 'advantage' now. Well from now on, as it seems the Administrators really do listen to the complaints from abuse and such, they fixed it. So there is no reason to complain on it anymore, so I will stop.
And yes, when i was a cadet, i asked some high ranked officers if they knew what the FBI was going to do (considering they were sort of leading) and they had no idea. So then once everyone is prepared to take down the kidnapper the FBI who claims he is leading the op. and a (SWAT?) cop member disagrees and thinks he is leading, and this member was because he originally made plans, but the FBI just came in and took order, and you know what happened? The Hostage died. Sounds like a sweet story about FBI huh? :)
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I liked the idea, until it got spoiled by these messages.
There is NO chance of this changing, if you do not like it LEAVE...
Those that are moaning.... if it is that serious GO AWAY, LEAVE US, let the rest of the server carry on without your moaning.
and as CBF said, leave if you don't like...
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So then once everyone is prepared to take down the kidnapper the FBI who claims he is leading the op. and a (SWAT?) cop member disagrees and thinks he is leading, and this member was because he originally made plans, but the FBI just came in and took order, and you know what happened? The Hostage died. Sounds like a sweet story about FBI huh? :)
Textbook my friend.
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Nice!
Only I did love the darkblue, not because of my rank just because it was awesome.
I didn't like the cadet colour xD.
Although, I like it that everyone has the same.
BTW, SWAT is still cadet-colour.
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wRONg, We are all now Freecops ;)
I must say Panda has a point...
Your joking me Pancher?
If we killed/jailed every suspect we had in our hands... what is the reason that we are Federal Bureau of Investigation ??
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Your joking me Pancher?
If we killed/jailed every suspect we had in our hands... what is the reason that we are Federal Bureau of Investigation ??
Dunno, we're asking the same question.
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Those that are moaning.... if it is that serious GO AWAY, LEAVE US, let the rest of the server carry on without your moaning.
Ok , so ...
New players usualy abuse police power. (freecops)
You dont want to make , that you can become cop only when you have passport, because new players want to be police when they first time come on server. Which will result new players to leave server (like 1/10 new players, maybe not even that). So u dont want to make that, but you rather make changes like this (changing name to all same color = less disrespect for freecops even when we will all know who is freecop by /rank) and by that you want lots of old and experienced players (who got problems with this) leave Argonath. And all these moan and problems, because new players dont know rules and dont want to wait for ONLY 1 week. Or any other problem that makes new players unhappy.
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That's cool. And what about uniforms? Are they all the same now?
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That's cool. And what about uniforms? Are they all the same now?
You can still choose w/e skin u want when going onduty
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I mean, is it the same for freecops without a passport?
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I mean, is it the same for freecops without a passport?
Nope, they got that blue security guard skin.
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I like the changes, looks like more MTA Styled :)
Finnaly i can be not bothered by other guys :D
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If we killed/jailed every suspect we had in our hands... what is the reason that we are Federal Bureau of Investigation ??
There isn't one, hence the uproar.
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Aww I Liked my Dark Blue so sad... :cry: Might join FBI :P
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I'm not going to continue the discussion here TheRock since it would be more off-topic then it already is...
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Daniel, sorry for the bits that spoiled it but that was an affect of the previous attempt to change name colour for SAPD.
Too often we listen to the louder complainers after a change and the change gets cancelled.
The colour change is to solve a number of issues, the freecops are the biggest issue, a number of admins and SAPD seniors, including myself have spent time undercover, doing cop work as good as normal but with that light blue name and we got treated like shit by many of SAPD and CRIMINALS.
Fact was simple, I did SAME sort of work that got me where I am as far as cop works go yet I was treated differently... why was it so obvious I was different, different colour name.
I also know that a number of SAPD told me they would leave if they lost their Dark Blue....
Its not my loss, its theirs over a colour..
I do not enjoy forcing a change but prior experience showed this one had to be, but its not a personal change, this was actually discussed with a number of individuals and agreements were obtained.
Criminals... please note careful use of words... FRISK has been disabled not removed......
The alternative will likely be WORSE for you once I have done the coding AND discussed with a number of individuals I wish input from.
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New players usualy abuse police power. (freecops)
And I bet you don't even tell them via PM if they did a mistake in their actions and instead of that you whine "OMG abuse, requesting unsuspect" in public chat.
Learn the difference already, people! New guys don't abuse - most of the times they just don't know the rules too good yet. Abuse is when people break the rules on purpose.
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I quite like the idea of all law enforcement having the same colour, but as I've said before, the key word is "all".
As for a "new" frisk system..
.. bring it on >: D.
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The feds' problem is that they seem to role-play only between themselves. That's the source of the "-OMG FBI doesnt rp -OMFG yes we do, watch us!".
You guys should role-play around criminals while undercover, take pictures and stuff, show them that you're sniffing and role-playing. Don't just arrive with guns pointed at the suspects. Because most of the times from the criminal's point of view you just go in, shoot (sometimes cuff when the suspect doesn't move all) and seek for a next target.
Prove your skills by showing them to others (especially to criminals, spectating civilians), not only the involved guys from your own side, like heads of police.
About time someone posted something professional that did not involve group flame.
However, I'd suggest you post it in FBI forums under Suggestions board. PROFESSIONAL feedback with NO GROUP FLAME is always welcome.
As far as the changes are concerned - Fine with me. I'll just roleplay frisk in hopes of getting honest results. I'll also try to focus more on non-drug related stuff.
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For the third time, interesting changes. Some of it will take time to get used to and some if it shouldn't be there but for the most part hopefully, ti will change something...
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I finally agree with the idea :)
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And I bet you don't even tell them via PM if they did a mistake in their actions and instead of that you whine "OMG abuse, requesting unsuspect" in public chat.
Learn the difference already, people! New guys don't abuse - most of the times they just don't know the rules too good yet. Abuse is when people break the rules on purpose.
Did I ever said anything opposite of what you just said?
They dont know rules, and why not make system that you cant go on duty without passport? Or if you dont got passport you cant /su ? New people will still be cops and help other cops, but wont be able to /su.
This new color change is no problem for me. But I was just telling it could solve easier.
I dont want to argue with anyone. Im out of here ;)
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So be it. Cant complain about the changes, but will be interesting trying to get drugs out of people.... Atleast people cant discrimigate against freecops and ARPD.
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They dont know rules, and why not make system that you cant go on duty without passport?
Not a good solution, and conflicts with the server vision.
Better make a system that would teach the new guys the rules quickly in an interesting way. Currently the most 'interesting' way is to learn them by watching regular players. If you think out a better idea, make a topic (again, limiting cop work from new players is NOT a solution).
Or if you dont got passport you cant /su ? New people will still be cops and help other cops, but wont be able to /su.
Great plan. Then 3/4 of the criminals on the server will tease the cops, shoot them, the cops can't suspect so they will either die or kill the 'suspect' and get fined instead of rewarded. Really great.
However, I'd suggest you post it in FBI forums under Suggestions board. PROFESSIONAL feedback with NO GROUP FLAME is always welcome.
Could you post it there on my behalf? Just quote the post.
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Bull.
The FBI is worse than the SAPD, a darker colour looks better, which is the opposite effect.
If the rest of the ARPD is going to have one colour (which is fine, by the way) then the FBI also should.
SWAT are an elite unit, the colour is justified.
The FBI are just another police faction that got lucky to be one of the first "Police groups" and chose a lovely time to be popular when going into RS3, and hence got script support. Superior groups (SASD?) got totally ignored, because they came too late.
This is going to cause arguments beyond belief.
This is what you call bull. FBI is not a Cop Faction, but a Division on par with the ARPD in SA:MP.
FBI was disbanded in its early days, so all Agents turned into Mafiosos under the name Montana. After that, Fernando was offered the option by one of the Owners to become Official FBI, and here we are. We earned this position.
Maybe that's why they Never (well, okay, 2 times out of 100) they pay to hostages, and prefer a sniper to shoot the kidnapper?
Another Anti-FBI Moaner. We never pay Kidnappers because it was Gandalf who issued the Order for the Government not to pay money to terrorists, and we prefer to end 207s in a quick, clean, and effective manner.
Go around criminals' HQ's or kidnappers' hiding spots with cameras, sniff around, pretend to be a civilian. SHOW OFF in front of the CRIMINALS that you're role-playing, and make it clear that you're a fed. Then you might earn a better opinion from them.
Grze, that is the problem. I can do that in front of trusted RPers such as MTA:VC Veterans, but the majority of SA:MP Criminals will immediately shoot a Fed sniffing around their HQ (if we make it clear to them that we are Feds), that's why we keep our work discreet.
Those that are moaning.... if it is that serious GO AWAY, LEAVE US, let the rest of the server carry on without your moaning.
tl;dr: Moaners GTFO
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This is what you call bull. FBI is not a Cop Faction, but a Division on par with the ARPD in SA:MP.
FBI was disbanded in its early days, so all Agents turned into Mafiosos under the name Montana. After that, Fernando was offered the option by one of the Owners to become Official FBI, and here we are. We earned this position.
Another Anti-FBI Moaner. We never pay Kidnappers because it was Gandalf who issued the Order for the Government not to pay money to terrorists, and we prefer to end 207s in a quick, clean, and effective manner.
Grze, that is the problem. I can do that in front of trusted RPers such as MTA:VC Veterans, but the majority of SA:MP Criminals will immediately shoot a Fed sniffing around their HQ (if we make it clear to them that we are Feds), that's why we keep our work discreet.
tl;dr: Moaners GTFO
lol I always saw FBI as a seperate group from cops considering they have no interaction with anyone but a few swat UNLESS they need info, other than that it seems they think they can handle it.
And how can you say, clean and effective? You get the hostage killed! That is liek, so effective nd stuff rite?
Why not create this rule: if you manage to succesfully kidnap and get $$$, if you die in the same Rp before escaping ( no longer wanted) you MUST pay back the $$$ you recieved or you can be banned for scamming?
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I've never had the embarrassment of being caught by a member of your brazilian parkour mafia
That made my day :lol:
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Anyone here that is hating on the FBI that has a SAPD app or is in the SAPD will be subject to reviewal of your rank and possible demotions...CBFasi made it clear he does NOT want ANY fbi / sapd fighting and anyone involved would be punished...
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Another Anti-FBI Moaner. We never pay Kidnappers because it was Gandalf who issued the Order for the Government not to pay money to terrorists, and we prefer to end 207s in a quick, clean, and effective manner.
Another FBI-Moaner.
I actually saw someone posted that "FBI expand roleplay during situations" but instead i always see they come, beat asses and during interrogation do some of the /me commands, and jail.
Oh, wait, you also know how to Court....yea, forgot.
tl;dr Get facts straight.
Anyone here that is hating on the FBI that has a SAPD app or is in the SAPD will be subject to reviewal of your rank and possible demotions...CBFasi made it clear he does NOT want ANY fbi / sapd fighting and anyone involved would be punished...
Good thing i'm a freecop.
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No more freecops. :bye: :cop:
They are still here..
The rank i mean.
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I am sick of the stupid discussion of 'FBI Vs. SWAT + SAPD'. For **** sake its a damn game. Learn to play along with each other... stop trying to gain an advantage over one another because you ruin the purpose of RolePlay.
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Your joking me Pancher?
If we killed/jailed every suspect we had in our hands... what is the reason that we are Federal Bureau of Investigation ??
Dude, just another biased comment about freecops, and that by the FBI.
I doubt you did "investigate" the most freecops, did you?
New players usualy abuse police power. (freecops)
That's not true.......
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Awesome changes :)
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For all those arguing / ranting / moaning - I got some useful places for you to go to.
http://www.drphil.com/plugger/ (http://www.drphil.com/plugger/)
http://www.jerryspringertv.com/get_tickets.php (http://www.jerryspringertv.com/get_tickets.php)
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New players usualy abuse police power. (freecops)
Thats not True, I agree with nexxt... I had a GREAT RP while UC with a Freecop... I mean, it was GREAT... He did it better than an officer, or even above...
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Grze, that is the problem. [...] the majority of SA:MP Criminals will immediately shoot a Fed sniffing around their HQ (if we make it clear to them that we are Feds),
Start moaning that they're "nonrpers" and dmers :lol:
that's why we keep our work discreet.
It's not discreet, it's totally goddamn hidden from players outside FBI.
If you're not showing any role-play (because "you don't want to get shot") and only show up when you have to shoot, then don't expect people not involved in FBI to see you as role-players.
What would you think about a group that only assaults their enemy, shoots them and waits for a next target? And after that implying that they were role-playing, but "their RP was hidden because they don't want to die"?
Srsly...
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Start moaning that they're "nonrpers" and dmers :lol:
It's not discreet, it's totally goddamn hidden from players outside FBI.
If you're not showing any role-play (because "you don't want to get shot") and only show up when you have to shoot, then don't expect people not involved in FBI to see you as role-players.
What would you think about a group that only assaults their enemy, shoots them and waits for a next target? And after that implying that they were role-playing, but "their RP was hidden because they don't want to die"?
Srsly...
I do not understand the statement that we only show up when we have to shoot..
Also, how alerting the criminals and making them know that we are investigating them is going to help at all? That would ruin our operations and make the criminals be more alert and cautious. Instead we prefer to let them think they are safe... just for a period of time.
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So far we've busted several FBI spies, urnotdoinitrite.
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Strange why I haven`t posted here already ? Time to annoy people with useless long text!
To go back on topic, such things were wanted by Gandalf and CBF. My only comment on this was about some features that are not yet in discussion for public, because it is in discussion between developpers and managers behind closed doors. Why ? Because we want to keep cold head on what are the issues, way to fix them and possible future issues.
As for the comment about FBI, it will be greatly considered by them I hope and I wish you a happy new year and a nice day.
FBI is not a ``roleplay school`` and they don`t consider our members as ``l33t roleplayers who know everything``, or at least I don`t think nor saw they act like this. If some do so, too bad for them. But please keep in mind that Argonath Rpg is an open rp community without any strict roleplay limitation. If we wanted to restrict something, it would be done by script or written rules.
The reason why FBI receive a different treatment is not because they kiss the ass of Gandalf. Ok you will say maybe you don`t know that someone in FBI do it but I don`t think Gandalf agree with asskissing anyways so I would keep a certain doubt at least on this point. Actualy THE reason is related to upcoming script logic. Nothing else. It is only script related matters if FBI gets dark blue name. SWAT may get it back aswell, depending on how the discussion about this group will turn out.
So please understand : Reason for the adjustements are complex, there is too many things that I cannot reveal and too many that are yet to be discussed but some decisions have been taken by Ronnel, who is the co-owner of this community. (if you forgot it, you play on this server from HIS cash, not yours, so basicaly, he can do whatever he wants with the script. That is true, it is called ownership.)
So instead of wondering : why this group got this/that...Ask yourself : How will this be useful to me in future? How can me/my group receive a ``privilege`` (if you consider it as this) and how this group actualy made it to what it is? Instead of trying to bash and change things that are already changed but not the way you like it, accept and take advantage out of it. Make your head work a bit and you may discover that it is maybe more at your advantage.
As a final comment, I would like to say : If Gandalf decided it to be that way, there is a reason behind it, there is a logic that he wants you to understand. If you keep shouting, stay angry/depressed/in any form of conflict with this position, it`s up to you, but I say consider only this : If you disagree with the decisions taken by a person who is aware of how everything goes and see the day-to-day situation, then, what is your position to discuss of the situation and what have YOU done to solve the situation or at least to try to change it?
For me, discussion is closed and we are already discussing a new topic about future changes.
Also, may I suggest everyone on this topic who take this thing too stiff to actualy relax a bit ? .... Everyone must be aware of two things :
-Any inflamatory comment will result to an administrative actions.
-Act maturely, be polite.
Rules are rules. Everyone, from now on, should consider hisself as ``advised``. I have nothing against the discussion going on but keep on topic. Goal here is not to express you opinion about a group or another or what you have recently discovered in your sandwich. This topic is only for information related to a script change.
On topic : Script change and how it may affect roleplay
Off topic : Who do what right/wrong bad/good roleplay.
As for 9r2e5i3k, you are an admin so if you like this topic, feel free to monitor it.
That`s all for me. If you have questions, my pm is your only chance of answer.
Bye.
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Jaaskaa, regarding your point about accepting it and saying "how can my group get these benefits?". My group is a criminal one, and despite years of existence criminal groups have no such privileges, and I now accept they probably won't ever. I've almost given up on that one.
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Anyone here that is hating on the FBI that has a SAPD app or is in the SAPD will be subject to reviewal of your rank and possible demotions...CBFasi made it clear he does NOT want ANY fbi / sapd fighting and anyone involved would be punished...
Yeah guys, I'm GiacJr, and I'm flexing my ARPD muscle! FEEL MY POWER! YEAH, YOU LIKE IT?
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As an honest question, if the intention is to bring FBI and SAPD together - why has this update decidedly set them apart?
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because FBI is uberleet lolololololol
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As an honest question, if the intention is to bring FBI and SAPD together - why has this update decidedly set them apart?
I also happen to know one of the other possible reasons for FBI's getting a darkblue name, but it cannot be revealed as Jaaskaa said, it is information that should not be revealed at the moment.
As for Araatus, I do not mean to offend you but many of your Members, yourself included, have moaned beyond control and committed infractions to the point where the group itself has attracted a lot of heat. Moaners in FBI are STFUd and punished, something that apparently does not happen in Araatus.
That's just my guess. But the final answer lies with Gandalf I guess.
BTW, small piece of trivia for those who haven't read it yet, it was a Server Owner who offered FBI the option to become Official.
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You are completely wrong Panda...
You don't know almost nothing about us.... Do you know how many trainings - guides and rules we got? I doubt you have an Idea.
It took me like 4 months and something.. to get the rank of Agent..(Not only for me, but even for the rest ex-cadets).. and it's not cause it's difficult or so.. but cause of the hard trainings and tests we had to go through with Patience.
SASD had got Official Support if Im not wrong.. and they were not ignored but it's up to the group to post pictures/videos and valid evidence that they make the difference in SAPD to get official... in anyway all SAPD Sub-Divisions have closed.. (Command made that decision).. so do not say we're just a police group... we're more than that.
do you call 4 months for long time?? in old SAPD academy there could easyly went more that 4 months
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I've never had the embarrassment of being caught by a member of your brazilian parkour mafia police group.
In every Araatus kidnap in recent memory, where the FBI got involved, the hostage died. Heck, one time we actually got paid by the hostage, and then you got him killed anyway.
In contrast, the hostage has survived before in situations primarily led by SAPD, or more specifically SWAT. Granted, we got away with the cash, but the hostage's safety is the main aim, which the FBI disregards too much for my liking (or for the hostages liking, as they have described to us in the past).
For the record, I don't want dark blue back. Having the same colour as cadets and freecops is not such a bad idea.
I just want everyone to be light blue, without totally random exceptions such as the FBI.
Agree 100 procent
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do you call 4 months for long time?? in old SAPD academy there could easyly went more that 4 months
Post Merge: January 10, 2010, 11:03:30 am
Agree 100 procent
"old".. I never experienced that ;)... Through I've been in SAPD for long time before I Resign... but still, why do you care?
How come you agree without even reading Jaaskaa's and JDC's reply?
We have been given the option to be official... Does somebody need to repeat this?
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We have been given the option to be official... Does somebody need to repeat this?
Because you are a law enforcement group and for no other reason.
And you know it.
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Grze, that is the problem. I can do that in front of trusted RPers such as MTA:VC Veterans, but the majority of SA:MP Criminals will immediately shoot a Fed sniffing around their HQ (if we make it clear to them that we are Feds), that's why we keep our work discreet.
When I was in the FBI and working near GS9 I made it VERY clear that I'm a FBI agent and I'm on their asses. RP-ly i9 hated me and always insulted me etc. but OOCly we had a very fun time since both of the parties were partaking in the roleplay.
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When I was in the FBI and working near GS9 I made it VERY clear that I'm a FBI agent and I'm on their asses. RP-ly i9 hated me and always insulted me etc. but OOCly we had a very fun time since both of the parties were partaking in the roleplay.
i9 aren't a petty bunch of criminals who would say "Hey, the guy's name is same as that of an Agent, kill him!", most of them are good roleplayers.
Because you are a law enforcement group and for no other reason.
And you know it.
Tell me why Araatus has not earned any support from the Administration the way FBI has, and come up with a reason other than "Owners are Cop Biased!".
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Tell me why Araatus has not earned any support from the Administration the way FBI has, and come up with a reason other than "Owners are Cop Biased!".
because criminal groups arent supported by devs
learn2Argonath
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because criminal groups arent supported by devs
learn2Argonath
Considering the fact that I am trying to develop scripts for criminals in the very near future, you may wish to choose your words carefully
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Tell me why Araatus has not earned any support from the Administration the way FBI has, and come up with a reason other than "Owners are Cop Biased!".
What, come up with a reason other than the actual one?
Boxy wins the thread again, mind.
Considering the fact that I am trying to develop scripts for criminals in the very near future,
This is very good of course, but I'm still disappointed that none of my (numerous) ideas got into RS3 at all, and I don't want to get my hopes up again.
Nonetheless, they would be welcomed by many, so - go for it! :D
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What, come up with a reason other than the actual one?
Owners are not necessarily biased with Cops, as you accuse them of being. There are reasons they do not give support for Criminal groups (at least yet), some beyond my knowledge, although one of my guesses would be because the majority of Criminal groups are just interested in hunting Cops.
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These are huge changes for Argonath..
Removing /frisk is good because I've seen how regulars tried to force (new) players to hand their drugs over. This leaves out that kind of abuse and lots of moaning too. I hope criminal leaders will realize it's up to them if they want to help Argonath grow in it's roleplay purposes by handing over their drugs, instead of claiming they have no drugs on/in them. And it's up to the cops to show off their role play skills so criminals feel they have been searched enough to hand over the drugs. If they do so, there wouldn't be any reason to have /frisk scripted again.
What is nice about the colors is that cops will have to identify themselves more often and I have the feeling the SAPD will work more together.
Time will tell if any changes are needed.
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No more freecops CBFASI ? i wanna be a freecop ! patrol with others, if freecops wasn't, how leaders of ARPD will see if they are good freecops when applying for SAPD ?
Post Merge: January 12, 2010, 01:36:01 pm
yay freecops will have the same color as Officers !
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Freecops are, and always, existing.
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Freecops are, and always, existing.
YAY !
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Freecops are, and always, existing.
Players + Fun + Freecops + Imaginative RP + Admins Team + Owners and Developers = Argonath
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Players + Fun + Freecops + Imaginative RP + Admins Team + Owners and Developers = Argonath
I'm lovin' Argonath !
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although one of my guesses would be because the majority of Criminal groups are just interested in hunting Cops.
But the FBI just hunt criminals :<.
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First of all, we are not criminal hunters.... We do chase only criminals with Serious crimes such as Murders or Kidnaps.. and not random like the ARPD/SAPD does (Who chase all criminals, regardless the crime)
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Then why was I shot by a passenger driveby uzi to death from a rancher, when I was unarmed and suspected for a minor traffic violation?
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although one of my guesses would be because the majority of Criminal groups are just interested in hunting Cops.
And the majorty of the cops are just interested in hunting suspects, so there isn't any difference.
Just because huntdowncriminalswhateverittakes-DM is legal doesn't change the fact that it's still DM. Criminals doesn't DM more/less than cops, end of story.
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Then why was I shot by a passenger driveby uzi to death from a rancher, when I was unarmed and suspected for a minor traffic violation?
Proof?? Post it.... No Proofs? Why should I believe it then?
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Proof?? Post it.... No Proofs? Why should I believe it then?
ALSO COPS AND FBI VIOLATE MAJOR TRAFFIC RULES!! you'll see not just one proof on server, you'll see alot of proofs just in a day and all the time
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Proof?? Post it.... No Proofs? Why should I believe it then?
So wait, you agree that the incident I described with the driveby was against regulation?
Yes?
Because it happened, and if you think thats rulebreaking, then you just called Jaaskaa a rulebreaker.
Want "evidence"?
Ask Jaaskaa, he is the one that said it was allowed for FBI to uzi driveby unarmed suspects wanted with 1 star.
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Proof?? Post it.... No Proofs? Why should I believe it then?
I quote for all of your information - that standard internet answer when the person realises they are wrong, but will do anything to prove otherwise.
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ALSO COPS AND FBI VIOLATE MAJOR TRAFFIC RULES!! you'll see not just one proof on server, you'll see alot of proofs just in a day and all the time
Yea... now the banned speaks... come on....
So wait, you agree that the incident I described with the driveby was against regulation?
Yes?
Because it happened, and if you think thats rulebreaking, then you just called Jaaskaa a rulebreaker.
Want "evidence"?
Ask Jaaskaa, he is the one that said it was allowed for FBI to uzi driveby unarmed suspects wanted with 1 star.
First, Jaaskaa is on Division C of FBI, and I do not know it's rules (Even if you do not believe me, you can ask anybody from FBI... only it's members know the rules - able to see those forums)
and still, if it happent, as long you think you got "abused", why don't you report it? You keep it so you can moan about it later right??
Come on dude.. I'm really tired of your ANTI-FBI Attitude....
And if Jaaksaa did Drive-By as a Passenger, there's nothing against it.
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and still, if it happent, as long you think you got "abused", why don't you report it? You keep it so you can moan about it later right??
Who the hell would I report it to? The leaders of the FBI can do whatever they want and justify it.
Come on dude.. I'm really tired of your ANTI-FBI Attitude....
And I'm f**king pissed off with and f**king tired of the anti-criminal attitude of everyone and their cousins on here.
And if Jaaksaa did Drive-By as a Passenger, there's nothing against it.
"Its against our group rules, nobody in our group would ever do something so retarded."
"But one of your leaders did it.."
"He did?... What he did was clearly fine, who would ever think there was anything wrong with it?"
Why do I hate the FBI? You want the real reason, laid as bare and open as I dare?
- Because they only got any official support because they were the first proper police group.
- Because they can get away with anything they want, and can bend whatever rule they wish - they will have eternal support in it.
- Because they have no real regulations other than "no being suspect". They can shoot and murder anyone they wish, and write it off as a valid kill.
- Because they are basically a private criminal group who happen to have blue names and be on the side of the SAPD.
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Who the hell would I report it to? The leaders of the FBI can do whatever they want and justify it.
And I'm f**king pissed off with and f**king tired of the anti-criminal attitude of everyone and their cousins on here.
"Its against our group rules, nobody in our group would ever do something so retarded."
"But one of your leaders did it.."
"He did?... What he did was clearly fine, who would ever think there was anything wrong with it?"
Why do I hate the FBI? You want the real reason, laid as bare and open as I dare?
- Because they only got any official support because they were the first proper police group.
- Because they can get away with anything they want, and can bend whatever rule they wish - they will have eternal support in it.
- Because they have no real regulations other than "no being suspect". They can shoot and murder anyone they wish, and write it off as a valid kill.
- Because they are basically a private criminal group who happen to have blue names and be on the side of the SAPD.
You know... There's an area in our Forum where you can report someone (IF you have evidence)... And Jaaskaa is a Division Chief he is not a FBI Leader or whatever you call it...
We have NO Rights to kill whoever we wish for any random reason we want, since if we Did, it would be claimed as DM and we would not even exist..
"Because they only got any official support because they were the first proper police group." It was the OWNERS that gave Fernando the option to be official... so it's not ANY Group.......
"Because they can get away with anything they want, and can bend whatever rule they wish - they will have eternal support in it."
Really?? We, the Agents or general the FBI can not use NON-Written/Non-Existant Rules as Excuse to evade something.. as if we do and we get reported, we'll be fired you know ;)
"Because they are basically a private criminal group who happen to have blue names and be on the side of the SAPD."
Wrong, FBI is part of ARPD not SAPD... SAPD Has it's Divisions (LSPD, SFPD, DPD etc) and SWAT.
Again... we have blue names cause Owners wanted so...
A small quote to remind you of something for this topic, as said by the main developer
if you do not like it LEAVE...
That's all, I'm out of the topic.
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O.o calm down people this is the wrong topic to talk on it, go to a safe place like Speakerbox and say what you want Frankly
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- Because they only got any official support because they were the first proper police group.
- Because they can get away with anything they want, and can bend whatever rule they wish - they will have eternal support in it.
- Because they have no real regulations other than "no being suspect". They can shoot and murder anyone they wish, and write it off as a valid kill.
- Because they are basically a private criminal group who happen to have blue names and be on the side of the SAPD.
What the f*ck is this for bullshit??? We have no regulations? Come on... You know better.
Well keep moaning, provoking or whatever you want. We won't listen to you anymore. I'm also out of this topic.
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I am not sure if CBFASI has announced this already but he is planning to give FBI the same colour as every other cop
This argument about whether or not FBI deserve another colour is pointless and should end immediately
By the way, SWAT have already been given the same colour as other cops
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I am not sure if CBFASI has announced this already but he is planning to give FBI the same colour as every other cop
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I think this would be a good choice, if only to shut me and others up.
This argument about whether or not FBI deserve another colour is pointless and should end immediately
Ok.
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Well, I don't realy care becouse I see where Freecops of their Role Play so nothing changes to me.
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lol panda :rofl: if you just knew anything about that what you are talking of.. but well.. i wish you good luck in your fantasy world. hopefully it helps you IRL if you shit arround here :)
nevertheless, you have come far with your constant moaning and crying :roll: trying to get free weapons and /suspect rights for criminals next?
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No, just acceptance.
And Leppi, iirc, you were the gunman in that incident D:.
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Panda I understand your points made, and Rock; he was not saying that they were part of the SAPD but worked along side them... From your abrupt protective tone it makes you sound like you do not work with us as well.
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FBI vs. SAPD arguing is getting boring, for fuck sakes we are on the same side people :cop:
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Panda I understand your points made, and Rock; he was not saying that they were part of the SAPD but worked along side them... From your abrupt protective tone it makes you sound like you do not work with us as well.
I've only corrected what he said..... didn't meant other way.
and that's the funniest thing in 2010.... We.. the regulars and the players.. fighting for a "COLOR" Jesus..... :lol:
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I want my color white! Noa! :D
Yes, color madness...
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ALSO COPS AND FBI VIOLATE MAJOR TRAFFIC RULES!! you'll see not just one proof on server, you'll see a lot of proofs just in a day and all the time
Lol.
True.
I speeded once, but was stopped by SACS (top kops) and then I never speeded again - never noticed it - well not in front of cops anyway - onduty.
I'd prefer my old color - light blue back , I am proud freecup. But, I got used to the color now :).
Post Merge: January 13, 2010, 01:17:19 am
Players + Fun + Freecops + Imaginative RP + Admins Team + Owners and Developers = Argonath
^.^ , what about ARPD and ARFD and EMS and NinjaPie and AV? oh wait, too complicated now?
Post Merge: January 13, 2010, 01:17:41 am
I'm lovin' Argonath !
I love your positivity :).
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Considering the fact that I am trying to develop scripts for criminals in the very near future, you may wish to choose your words carefully
trying =/= doing =/= done. knowing previous scripting instances, if you're only trying at this point, it will be a long time until any normal player sees those scripts.
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Dude, just another biased comment about freecops, and that by the FBI.
I doubt you did "investigate" the most freecops, did you?
Nexxt said the above, I reply however ...
Thats total BS, when I was in FBI and when I see FBI operating now, they do not just shoot. The only time when I recall FBI shooting was when shot at.
We went after [XU]BangBang and some other XU members (funny guys) who were onduty cops being corrupt, they was trying to give a ticket or be generally corrupt , so they were all suspected, they we're given the chance to surrender, we told them multiple times to just come in and talk, but then they started shooting, then we shot them back, dead.
Thats the day from which i started to use /mir after killing someone.
[NP]Curse: BangBang, I shot you down...
[XU]BangBang: It's ok I forgive you.
[NP]Curse: I hope not to do it again.
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I dont think the changes are that bad....God Forbid you must Roleplay. Although i don't think /frisk should be gone too long. Just until they prove they won't /frisk (Found nothing) /frisk, /frisk other officers show up /frisk, /frisk, /frisk (Found 2 grams of weed), "Your going to jail".
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I am not sure if CBFASI has announced this already but he is planning to give FBI the same colour as every other cop
This argument about whether or not FBI deserve another colour is pointless and should end immediately
By the way, SWAT have already been given the same colour as other cops
FBI is an elite ARPD Division, and pressure is going to be exerted on our Agents to raise their standards as well, some of it from me. We have loads of rules and regulations as well and it is quite easy to get punished severely or even removed from the Agency, even with a small violation of our regulations.
If you believe this statement is BS, you can go ahead keep yourself blinded from the facts.
Who the hell would I report it to? The leaders of the FBI can do whatever they want and justify it.
Have you ever thought that there could be at least one person within FBI Internal Affairs who can go over a complaint without bias, like CBFasi goes over SAPD Complaints in a bias-free manner? Hi.
Why do I hate the FBI? You want the real reason, laid as bare and open as I dare?
- Because they only got any official support because they were the first proper police group.
- Because they can get away with anything they want, and can bend whatever rule they wish - they will have eternal support in it.
- Because they have no real regulations other than "no being suspect". They can shoot and murder anyone they wish, and write it off as a valid kill.
- Because they are basically a private criminal group who happen to have blue names and be on the side of the SAPD.
1. I do not know much of early FBI history, only two people can answer this allegation- the Server Owner who gave Official Support to FBI and Fernando.
2. You are clearly being overly biased against us. Your second statement is total bullshit as even we have to answer to our rules. If you think Internal Affairs is not doing its job, it's because you do not let us. How? By moaning rather than actually trying to make us see that one or two of our Agents is openly going against regulations.
3. Total BS again. "No Being Suspect" is not as easy as it sounds, except for those Weird People Who Have No Criminal Urges Unlike The Rest (Hi). If we really can shoot and murder anyone we wish, as you accuse us of being able to, then I would have sent you and a dozen other mob bosses to the Cemetery a lot more often than I have.
4. Private Criminal Group? You wish.
Just to let you know, I am bias-free as a member of Internal Affairs, although sometimes I may look biased when defending against BS statements. If you seriously think that our Leaders are Biased and are allowing our Agents to fuck around on the streets, take evidence and send it to me personally so that your complaint will not receive hostility because "It's coming from that moaner Panda". I am not going against the FBI or the Criminal Groups in this manner, my aim is to make sure that our regulations are enforced duly so I can help end all this "FBI are legal rulebreakers" shit. When I enforce law as an FBI Agent, I do my job but when I work for Internal Affairs, I will make sure complaints are decided on the evidence.
You can take it or leave it.
Also, Rock and Mikro, I strongly recommend that you both stay out of an argument in this topic, or even better- leave it altogether, or you will be hearing a lot from me in the very recent future, if you know what I am implying. Let me do the talking.
Leppi, I know very well am not in a position to do the same with you, but I recommend that you drop out of the argument as well... your actions are only helping to raise the hostility here.
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FBI is an elite ARPD Division,
No.
An elite division is meant to be better than the normal divisions. SAPD is superior to the FBI in negotiating, shooting, and generally everything.
Have you ever thought that there could be at least one person within FBI Internal Affairs who can go over a complaint without bias, like CBFasi goes over SAPD Complaints in a bias-free manner? Hi.
No, because the SAPD is not CB's private group that he made and runs. He is able to be unbiased and fair because of this.
Nobody in FBI has this trait, it is a private group run by private individuals, who seek their self interests first and foremost.
By moaning rather than actually trying to make us see that one or two of our Agents is openly going against regulations.
Most of the people I see that ruin the FBI's reputation are the people that make your regulations, again acting in self interest.
3. Total BS again. "No Being Suspect" is not as easy as it sounds,
Ok, thats fine. You choose to do that and thats your call, no problem.
If we really can shoot and murder anyone we wish, as you accuse us of being able to, then I would have sent you and a dozen other mob bosses to the Cemetery a lot more often than I have.
Not really, since the out of game hate for criminals will bring any case into your favour, even terrible court cases where the defendants lawyers kicks your ass and the judges vote in your favour anyway by default.
4. Private Criminal Group? You wish.
I wish? Not really, since then you actually be able to shoot straight.
If you seriously think that our Leaders are Biased and are allowing our Agents to fuck around on the streets, take evidence and send it to me personally so that your complaint will not receive hostility because "It's coming from that moaner Panda".
Its not so much the leaders of the FBI I'm concerned about.
I am not going against the FBI or the Criminal Groups in this manner, my aim is to make sure that our regulations are enforced duly so I can help end all this "FBI are legal rulebreakers" shit.
But your regulations are created by people acting in their own self interest.
Do not forget guys, that you are still a private group, created and run by individuals, who will act in their own self interest and the interests of the group.
As a group, you are no different to any other. You got script support because you are cops and for no other reason - and you know it.
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Fact to support my brother in arms Panda.
FBI- Offical and legit criminal group, who does not need to justified to anyone about anything, who got immunity in A-Team, group who can do what ever they want, how ever they want, and then just call everyone that is seriously pissed off over does facts "moaners" and "Crybabys" . Not to mention that 80 percent of people who are takling about " Want to have a no roaming role play ? GTFO!" are from FBI.
Still <3 you guys.
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Nice changes i like it. They dont affect me through i dont like being a cop.
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Panda you simply cant drop it.. as you are maybe a very bored and lonely person IRL...
but to end this now:
you are NO member of SAPD, NO member of SWAT, godthanks NO member of the FBI
So we can give a **** ( :) ) on what you think about the FBI, and if you think that we are weak, it was our problem if it would be true, but stop the provocations and accusations already. If you do not like us.. congratulations.. keep your opinion but stop always provoking and offending in forums and on main chat ingame, aswell as everywhere giving your offending comments everywhere FBI is involved in.
Seriously, it cant be that difficult just to let do us OUR roleplay, and you do your own.
If i would always say what i think of certain guys on argonath it wouldnt be possible for me to stop arguing for a day, but i just think my part and make the best out of it, as i am not that evil and unfair like you are and i dont want to disturb neither MINE, nor OTHERS Roleplay.
This actually even goes to the whole community. I am happy if you like us, i am happy if you support us. If you dislike us for some reason give a small sign if you think you need it and its okay, but constant offending and bad attitude against us is nothing else but CHILDISH. Don't you have anything else to do? Do you really love constantly shitting arround? hopefully not.
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you are NO member of SAPD,
I've been a member of the ARPD for probably longer than you've played. You jackass.
NO member of SWAT,
Only because I'm committed to the criminal side.
Even so I went with SWAT several times on ops.
godthanks NO member of the FBI
Yes indeed, thank the lord I was actually good enough to be in the SAPD.
The FBI is a step down from the SAPD.
trying =/= doing =/= done. knowing previous scripting instances, if you're only trying at this point, it will be a long time until any normal player sees those scripts.
My question is, will they be out before APB?
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sad that you just read what you want to read.. and you only see what you want to see... that gives you a wrong picture of the reality..
Whatever.. this is it for me, i wont waste my time longer with this senseless argue..
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I agree that we will never agree.
: )
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JESUS guys, what the fuck? Who the hell cares about the fucking color? Give us white, i dont give a damn, give us freecop color, i dont freaking care, and hopefully other members of ARPD dont even care too.. Seriously, Its only a FREAKING COLOR!
And Panda: I have 3 little words for you.
What-The-Fuck?
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And Panda: I have 3 little words for you.
What-The-f**k?
That's actually one word since you bind them together with the space :roll:
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I agree with you to 100 percent. I can't see the difference between legal, justified DM and normal DM, except the fact that you don't get punished for it if it's legal.
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When I drove around as a suspect and I saw a darkblue cop on my radar I thought to myself: "I hope it's the FBI, they rarely chase me." :lol:
I personally think they should have a white color at all times but that's just me ;). I can imagine it annoys them they have to /showbadge before opening fire..
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Yes it is annoying Stanley, since most suspects will go "WHY YOU SHOOTEN ME, ABOOSE!!! DM ADMEENS DM!!" if we are still on white names.
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Yes it is annoying Stanley, since most suspects will go "WHY YOU SHOOTEN ME, ABOOSE!!! DM ADMEENS DM!!" if we are still on white names.
I lag rammed a suspect while white... On a federal rancher and he moaned :ban:
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we have to show our badges before taking actions ( yeah, being a blue dot on the map ). So i dont get your point...
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I hope we can all agree on one thing. <Insert clever, yet truthful comment about the FBI here>
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Cookies anyone ?
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itt: fbi people cry
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People who are constantly moaning and crying about
As I said in my previous post, if anyone sees Agents breaking regulations (yes, I mean anyone, even a mob boss), send the complaint to me so I can be the one to report it in your place. When I RP an FBI Agent, I enforce the law but when I work with Internal Affairs, I am like a Jury- I make sure complaints are decided on the evidence and the circumstances.
When I drove around as a suspect and I saw a darkblue cop on my radar I thought to myself: "I hope it's the FBI, they rarely chase me." :lol:
I personally think they should have a white color at all times but that's just me ;). I can imagine it annoys them they have to /showbadge before opening fire..
Yes, it annoys us to have to /showbadge before opening fire, but it's okay with me :lol:
If we did get a permawhite color for our work though, mobs won't trust any civilians anymore. :)
Leppi and Panda, drop this useless argument. Nothing is going to happen if the two of you will do the talking, since the three of us know that you both hate (or dislike, if hate is too strong a word) too much.
As for you, Panda, I would like to talk with you in a CB Channel the next time we meet ingame, or on MSN / YM.
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How about you people actually go on the FBI forum and suggest, instead of sitting back in your chair and complaining we cant RP and that? If everyone doesnt like FBI, then obviously FBI will change.
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The FBI hasn't changed yet, and a lot of people have disliked it for a long time..
Just sayin' : /.
I'm in no mood for an argument, irl drama on MSN tbh.
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I am not sure if CBFASI has announced this already but he is planning to give FBI the same colour as every other cop
This argument about whether or not FBI deserve another colour is pointless and should end immediately
By the way, SWAT have already been given the same colour as other cops
Sounds great
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Sounds great
Anything that says FBI will be losing anything will sound great for a lot of people.
We do not give a shit if the people dislike us or not, as long as we do our jobs. Suggestions for positive changes are welcome but people who will go to the FBI Forums to moan will surely get banned, so I suggest you be moderate in any statements containing personal grievances.
If anyone has a good suggestion but are afraid of suggesting it personally since they know that they are hated by the majority of FBI Agents or FBI Leaders, send it to me and I'll see what I can do.
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If everyone dislikes us then what the is the point of having FBI. To do our jobs??? This is a game, we are supposed to have fun. The reason for ARPD (FBI including) is to contribute to the roleplay, not have everyone dislike us. There are some people who will always moan, but that doesnt mean we can please other people (like the people in SAPD who commented on our RP)
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From the point of view of a criminal, I find the fact that /frisk being removed is a god send. Every time I get pulled over, I'm randomly taken to the police station. I am thereby frisked by a random officer, only to find nothing. This happens at least three times a day. I got tired of the abuse of it. It pissed me off beyond limits.
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I can relate to you metal luigi. It is abused sometimes. When I was undercover, I was driving by a road stop and got pulled over myself, then being frisked, I had drugs on me from a drug deal earlier on, and got suspected....
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If everyone dislikes us then what the is the point of having FBI. To do our jobs??? This is a game, we are supposed to have fun. The reason for ARPD (FBI including) is to contribute to the roleplay, not have everyone dislike us. There are some people who will always moan, but that doesnt mean we can please other people (like the people in SAPD who commented on our RP)
I think most of the people are pretty jealous, they want to be a FBI agent too. I mean, who doesnt? Its one of the most RP roles you can be, But as you said people like to comment your roleplay.. I cannot say that you are making a bad roleplay but I can say that you can increase it really much. (The whole FBI team.)
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This now changed
ALL law enforcement now have same colour inculding SWAT and FBI
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Good. No moan.
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I think most of the people are pretty jealous, they want to be a FBI agent too. I mean, who doesnt?
Anyone with any self esteem?
Sorry, but this quote was just totally hilarious and I couldn't leave it.
Twenty has a cool avatar o-o.
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They were jealous of FBI having a dark blue name so they moan and moan in the hope it will get removed :lol:
I'll still do my normal routine anyways, as always.