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Title: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Que on January 14, 2010, 12:10:56 am
Hey guys, there's something I've been wondering for like two-three years.
When it comes to forced roleplay, there's always this talk about ''criminals forcing people'', I mean with robberies, kidnaps and stuff.

But when it comes to cops, no one is actually telling them that ''forcing roleplay is not allowed''.. I mean, If I'm like roleplaying with a friend of mine and a cop comes and more and less destroys the roleplay with a pullover or something similiar. Would that be forcing roleplay as well? Because in that situation, it is basically the same as when you're attempting to rob someone. You like forcing him to do something that he doesn't want, and if he don't do it, he'd be suspected.

I'm neutral, I would roleplay with the cop and with the criminal, that's like what I'm here for.
But there's always this complaining about criminals forcing and shit, but what about the cops then?

I'd like to see what people think about it and what the rule says about it.
Because I've never known.
And please, no talk about 'you're a criminal, you hate cops', because I made it to see the opinion of yours. Not because I ''hate'' cops, which I don't do.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: David_Omid on January 14, 2010, 12:17:49 am
This is actually a good question, I have never seen anyone say to a cop who pulls them over "sorry, I am just trying to get somewhere, I don't want to roleplay a traffic stop"
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Romeo on January 14, 2010, 12:29:38 am
This is actually a good question, I have never seen anyone say to a cop who pulls them over "sorry, I am just trying to get somewhere, I don't want to roleplay a traffic stop"

I have, then I said "I can't be bothered roleplaying with you", and I /q'd. Couldn't log back in because I was banned for it.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: JayL on January 14, 2010, 12:31:55 am
When you decide to break the law, you agree cops may knock at your door. Actions and consequences. I don't see how that is forcing.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Squeak on January 14, 2010, 12:35:52 am
When you decide to walk in the ghetto, you agree gang members may rob you. Actions and consequences. I don't see how that is forcing.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Que on January 14, 2010, 12:39:22 am
When you decide to break the law, you agree cops may knock at your door. Actions and consequences. I don't see how that is forcing.

How do you break the law when you're driving on a road with your friend for example, mate?
Maybe you don't want to roleplay with the police at that time, maybe you got something else to do.
Then you DO have to pullover, and you DO have to give up your roleplay for the police officer, you see my point here? That is, in my eyes the same thing as a criminal want you to stop while he's trying to rob you.

Whether if you roleplay a criminal or a cop, even a regular guy who is selling hotdogs, you should have the same rule, if you know what I'm saying.
And that's what confusing me, and has always done.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Mikro on January 14, 2010, 12:41:26 am
When you decide to break the law, you agree cops may knock at your door. Actions and consequences. I don't see how that is forcing.
He is talking about a regular traffic stop for a check. The person who get pulled over didn't break the law (yet).

That's what I think que ment...
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Cofiliano on January 14, 2010, 01:36:06 am
This is actually a good question, I have never seen anyone say to a cop who pulls them over "sorry, I am just trying to get somewhere, I don't want to roleplay a traffic stop"
I do it all the time, when indeed i do not have time for a role play, or when my concentration is simply not on its level.

About the subject, my view is that if i do not commit a crime, there is no way anyone can force me to have a role play with them. Traffic stops, regular checks, etc are just part of random role plays, you are not obligated to be part of them no meter what anyone says.

But the problem with this facts is that when you are a criminal, and you try making a role play people spam you with (( I dont wanna role play with you now, you cant force me)), but when you do the same with Law force, even the elite parts of them, you are definitely gonna get suspected for "Disobeying officers orders" or "Evading" etc.

So what we have here is a simple hypocritical situation, although officially no one can force a role play on others, members of the law unlike criminals and civilians, can do it when you are not obligated to do it, and also  get away with it, if not even damaging you ( by lame suspection ).

And just for does who think i am talking about newbies in Police (Freecops ) etc, i am not most of them wont do you any harm if you explain them politely, unlike Officers and ranks up, who just plays around basically roleplaying your God.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Pandalink on January 14, 2010, 01:45:31 am
I have never seen anyone say to a cop who pulls them over "sorry, I am just trying to get somewhere, I don't want to roleplay a traffic stop"

What about me on every single traffic stop ever? I hate getting pulled over.
I'm not talking about when I blast through Los Santos at 200 kmph, I expect you to pull me over. I'm talking about the other day when that cop rammed my car by driving on the wrong side of the road, then pulled me over for "bad driving".

As a note to everyone who might pull me over.. the longer the cop wastes my time, the more I will attempt to be ridiculous. If he refuses to actually roleplay anything (one time, a cop actually just sat in his car for about 100-200 seconds, and when I moved he suspected me..) I will drive to bayside and then accidentally blow up my car, sadly dying. Enjoy your drive back, officer.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: AMahone on January 14, 2010, 01:56:49 am
I will drive to bayside and then accidentally blow up my car, sadly dying. Enjoy your drive back, officer.

Did you just admit to rule breaking?
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Cofiliano on January 14, 2010, 02:00:25 am
Did you just admit to rule breaking?
He stated that in this confused world, where everything is going on so fast, accidents are  happening constantly. lol
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Pandalink on January 14, 2010, 02:27:52 am
Did you just admit to rule breaking?

What? Of course not - I merely stated that after my pilgrimage to Bayside my car is likely to be damaged, and I'm not certain that I will escape the vicinity in time to survive should the car set on fire.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Cutt3r on January 14, 2010, 03:20:44 am
Like it or not, you will be forced to roleplay that situation. This is an exception to the general rule because even in real life, if you haven't done a crime, you may be asked to stop for a random check. True, 'Argonath is not a real life server' but we sure have elements of it that which is what creates a base for a roleplay situation.
Thus as you would know you have 2 options here - 1. Pull over and flash your licence when asked to; 2. Try to get away(but will most probably get you suspected).

However, you can always report to an admin if a particular player is apparently abusing you by repeatedly asking you to stop after a recent check(For example 3 stops in 10 minutes or so). This is an act of killing the fun for one side(I say this because the person is not a suspect) in whatever roleplay they do.

Cutt3r
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: BlankTheGod on January 14, 2010, 03:32:16 am
With /frisk, how it use to show up PINK if you dident have drugs, and blue if you did, EVEN THOUGH it said you had 0 drugs, if it was blue it meant the cops search was unsucsessfull.

Cops use to say when it said "You search the suspect and find no drugs" they would tell me "FFS HAND OVER THE F***ING DRUGS" and stuff. THATS force rp.


On the highway though, ive been stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road and asked to be let go because i was going somewhere to buy a car and the cop let me off :)
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Boxy on January 14, 2010, 03:45:05 am
you registered in october '09, how could you be wondering about this for a few years if you havent been around for a few years
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Aldo on January 14, 2010, 03:49:07 am
When you decide to break the law, you agree cops may knock at your door. Actions and consequences. I don't see how that is forcing.

I agree to shoot all who put pinky on my property
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Que on January 14, 2010, 04:11:37 am
you registered in october '09, how could you be wondering about this for a few years if you havent been around for a few years

Because I've been here a few years. No need to tell you more or less.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Nerf on January 14, 2010, 06:16:34 am
I know what hes on about and I agree with him.

I was discussing a couple of things with a present admin on the server and Darren_Flier decided to tell me to pull over to the side of the road. I stopped where I started typing, 5 minutes earlier, I wasn't RPing at the current time because I was busy with discussing something to an admin.
Darren_Flier refused to let it go, even after I told him that I was busy with a non-rp issue. Eventually, he suspected me of disobeying cop orders... I hadn't moved my car, I gave him every single valid reason to leave me alone... Darren_Flier is a great example of un-necessarily forcible RP.

Even after wards he will provoke you through PM's, trying to get you to come and attack him so he can suspect you once more.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Vince on January 14, 2010, 06:19:01 am
you registered in october '09, how could you be wondering about this for a few years if you havent been around for a few years

blank's been around for longer than you think homie
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: MasterNeo on January 14, 2010, 05:01:59 pm
This is actually a good question, I have never seen anyone say to a cop who pulls them over "sorry, I am just trying to get somewhere, I don't want to roleplay a traffic stop"

I've done that before. :D The cops let me go since i have vehicle buying stuff. Mostly you will not get it if the cops aren't your friend :P. BTW whats the big deal of this pullover? just pull over and say tha you sorry and beg for it. Cops will let you go :)
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: JayL on January 14, 2010, 05:23:19 pm
Like it or not, you will be forced to roleplay that situation. This is an exception to the general rule because even in real life, if you haven't done a crime, you may be asked to stop for a random check. True, 'Argonath is not a real life server' but we sure have elements of it that which is what creates a base for a roleplay situation.
Thus as you would know you have 2 options here - 1. Pull over and flash your licence when asked to; 2. Try to get away(but will most probably get you suspected).

However, you can always report to an admin if a particular player is apparently abusing you by repeatedly asking you to stop after a recent check(For example 3 stops in 10 minutes or so). This is an act of killing the fun for one side(I say this because the person is not a suspect) in whatever roleplay they do.

Cutt3r

^

What about we turn the sides? I am talking to a friend about random shit in Willowfield then comes two gangsters and rob me.

Comes Squeak's example which is true. What's the damn problem about people attempting to roleplay a random search? Or I'll start saying "NO SORRY I DON'T WANT TO BE ROBBED" every time someone tries that.

If your "ROLEPLAY CHARACTER" is a z0mg gangster and you're walking in the ghetto, certainly you should expect cops to find you suspicious.

I mean, come on, cops sometimes might want to do random searching, what's the problem? However, if they're doing it constantly with abuse intent, you know what to do. Can't be arsed to RP it all? Just cooperate and they shouldn't take long.

Oh yeah, and you still have houses to do stuff inside.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Arch on January 14, 2010, 05:25:05 pm
Yea hate this too. I am in middle or RP with my friends and we go, or i have to meet my friend somewhere, and then cop pulls me over. If i talk to him and refuse, he will /su me for evading or not listening to cop orders.

One time, I was speeding like 87 around pershing, and cop /su me for speeding, without any warnings or anything (he had to /m1 and then do the usual traffic stop) and after i got suspected, i parked my car. He exited, ran to me, he just did /me writes 250$ ticket. /me gives it to man.

I was not going to pay cus firstily, he shouldnt suspect me for speeding, and second he should RPed and not just gives ticket. After i refused he shot me dead.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Altair_Carter on January 14, 2010, 07:07:05 pm
Like it or not, you will be forced to roleplay that situation.
You sound like cops are better than criminals, and they have because of that as an advantage.

If not, why you say that "Like we or not, we'll be forced to roleplay a pullover", when, you try to rob someone, that's Force to RP?

Then it makes NO sense at all...
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Jerry on January 15, 2010, 12:23:21 am
Final cut here,you are forced to roleplay by police,if the police starts roleplay with you,you are OBILIGATED to roleplay it,police have more power than other players,thats all live with it.

At least that is what i understanded frome this topic,you always are weaker than police in roleplay situations.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Joey_DeRossi on January 15, 2010, 12:39:02 am
Final cut here,you are forced to roleplay by police,if the police starts roleplay with you,you are OBILIGATED to roleplay it,police have more power than other players,thats all live with it.

At least that is what i understanded frome this topic,you always are weaker than police in roleplay situations.
Does this means that everyone will be a cop, from now on?
Equal rights, for everyone.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Vince on January 15, 2010, 12:48:37 am
You don't have to roleplay with the police at all at a traffic stop, but if you end up getting suspected and killed don't complain. If you don't have a reasonable explanation not to, the above applies.

No one is forcing you to roleplay with cops, you could just take it the old cops and robbers style.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Pandalink on January 15, 2010, 12:49:38 am
Equal rights, for everyone.

Um.
Not gonna happen.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Que on January 15, 2010, 05:13:51 am
Um.
Not gonna happen.

Every other rule is based on equality, so why not?

You don't have to roleplay with the police at all at a traffic stop, but if you end up getting suspected and killed don't complain. If you don't have a reasonable explanation not to, the above applies.

No one is forcing you to roleplay with cops, you could just take it the old cops and robbers style.

That's the issue, you don't have to, but you still get suspected it, which is forcing to roleplay or get killed basically.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Pandalink on January 15, 2010, 11:22:10 am
Every other rule is based on equality, so why not?

Is it?
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Que on January 15, 2010, 12:09:52 pm
I hope so?
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: JDC on January 16, 2010, 05:56:16 am
Rules were made to keep abuse in check. This explains why SA:MP has so much more procedures than MTA:VC.

If you are pulled over and abused by a new Cop, why not teach him how to do it properly rather than moaning against him and aggravating him? The Freecop you just called a noob might be the next SAPD Chief.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Pandalink on January 18, 2010, 12:26:59 am
If you are pulled over and abused by a new Cop, why not teach him how to do it properly rather than moaning against him and aggravating him?

You assume the cop is a new one.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: JDC on January 18, 2010, 04:03:37 am
You assume the cop is a new one.

If he isn't, report to Admins (if he's a freecop) or the SAPD.

Deal with them as the others always have...
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Cofiliano on January 18, 2010, 01:22:31 pm
If you are pulled over and abused by a new Cop, why not teach him how to do it properly rather than moaning against him and aggravating him? The Freecop you just called a noob might be the next SAPD Chief.
If you pull over a newbie criminal who takes out a gun and just aim at you, why dont you teach him how to do it properly rather then /sus him and killing in the same time, making him lose 1,000$ ( which is ALOT when you are new) and weapons who he also paid with his last cash..
Title: Re: Something I have wondered for a few years
Post by: Cutt3r on January 18, 2010, 01:36:44 pm
I see that my dear friend altair has taken a part of a sentence i have written and quoted making it seem like i am taking sides. Try reading the whole reply instead of focusing on a few words. I cannot quote my words as i am not at home and using a phone.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Que on January 18, 2010, 01:44:25 pm
If you pull over a newbie criminal who takes out a gun and just aim at you, why dont you teach him how to do it properly rather then /sus him and killing in the same time, making him lose 1,000$ ( which is ALOT when you are new) and weapons who he also paid with his last cash..

Yeah, you have right with that.
Title: Re: Something I've wondered for several years.
Post by: Altair_Carter on January 19, 2010, 12:20:23 pm
I see that my dear friend altair has taken a part of a sentence i have written and quoted making it seem like i am taking sides.
It seems that my dear friend Cutter has not understood the full meaning of my post. Come home and re-think about it, I'm not showing that you're a cop or so.
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