Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Community => News and Announcements => Topic started by: Gandalf on February 12, 2010, 08:51:34 pm
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The last week we have made a major operation on Argonath, one that we have not done for a long time. We have decided to move the server to a new IP and hardware.
This is something that has had a number of reasons. First of all we have been getting complaint about in game lag, and one of the possible options was the current hardware being old and low in RAM.
Another reason was that the owners of Argonath are also not immune to the world crisis. Our personal finances have limits, and with the end result of the year 2009, we have had to take some steps.
When we created Argonath there were two things we were sure of. One that it would probably cost money, second that we wanted to continue once we started.
In 2006 we started with just MTA:VC and spend about Eur 50,00 per month.
During 2007, with the opening of SA:MP and VC:MP, that amount was raised to Eur 150,00 per month. When opening Parallel Universe, we split the cost between te communities, and went down to Eur 100,00 per month. However as we have been using a lot of extra servers, we also take part in Azellus, which was intended to partially cover the cost.
Due to the crisis in 2009, which saw many clients disappear, we have actually made a loss, with as a result a much higher cost as foreseen.
On top of this, the old servers got in to hardware trouble, causing loss of data for Paruni and a number of Azellus clients.
This has lead us to cut all extra servers, and change all Argonath and Paruni servers to the latest hardware. As for cost, we are back to Eur 100,00 for each community monthly, but it may grow if we want to have some extra features.
For the future we do wish to upgrade the current hardware, and get it to the best available level. For that we will need some continuing support from the community, and we will soon release some plans to help things forward.
Argonath will continue, and we will move forward.
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I'll go donate a few bucks now, Gandy ;)
Argonath will continue, and we will move forward.
Oh yeah!
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You brought us the best gift any stranger can give, a gift of Friendship, Thousands of people became friends, thousands still remember fondly the server and community.
Thank you for this Gift, it will newer be forgoten.
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Argonath has brought me many things of which I'll never forget. I honestly thank you for the hard work you've put into Argonath.
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Agree with Alsatain's words completely.
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I'm extremely grateful for the ongoing efforts into the Argonath community. We have seen vast improvements in processes from top level down which have greatly increased quality control throughout. Despite financial woes as a result of the credit crisis in 2009. Please rest assured that our community are behind their leaders in paving forward a new generation of humour, enjoyment and gratitude.
It's clearly time to exhaust all opportunities of strength within the community and perhaps introduce new policies which bear close to the Argonath vision. We may want to closely analysis our competitors to see whether we are maximising the impact of our community to its effectiveness. This may help offset the current expenditure.
We may also want to consider closing down non-core operations which may be deemed exploitable or resource draining. For example, sub-communities such as VC:MP or MTA:VC should be reviewed, restructured or perhaps closed down in a effort to shore up strength in core assets such as SA:MP.
This community has been a pillar of strength, learning and understanding for players from different cultural and traditional backgrounds. Whilst the outlook is challenging, we can remain confident that community commitment and moral are at it's highest for a long time.
You can rely on my and others professional support whenever you need Gandalf.
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We may also want to consider closing down non-core operations which may be deemed exploitable or resource draining. For example, sub-communities such as VC:MP or MTA:VC should be reviewed, restructured or perhaps closed down in a effort to shore up strength in core assets such as SA:MP.
Frank, are you seriously out of your mind?
MTA:VC has always been ArgonathRPG's home and always will be.
VC:MP is slowly growing into a big part of the Argonath community, with VC:MP R2 released as well, there is big potential for VC:MP in the coming months.
Just because the servers are not full with 100 people 24/7 dosen't mean people don't play them and don't appricate them, maybe you don't, but the players if the communities do.
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We have been thinking of closing down, however apart from that we feel we should not rest on a single base, the amount of resources these servers need are vastly lower, and have little to no influence on the hardware.
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I agree to with Alas, i have met new friends on argo, gotten better in writing and for that sake writing english also. I hope this will keep going for years to come :)
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Fabio, I was wrong to jump to the conclusion that VC:MP or VC:MTA may be considered non-core to the vision being envisaged. I really do think though, if my assumptions are correct about the projection of finances is that we should sit down and review whether the business model of Argonath is running effectively. This includes reviewing whether VC:MP or SA:MP for example is operating at capacity and fits in line with the view of the owners and community members.
Whilst no decision is taken lightly especially considering the scale of impact on community members, it's vital for the business model to be operating strongly and with a future proof mindset which will be sustainable for years to come. I agree that closing down areas which have a strong heritage and track record may come as a shock but ultimately are paramount to rebuilding commodity in the Argonath brand and improving playability in core areas.
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Well, First i would like to say Thank You Gandalf.
The money you have spent on this humble community has been much appreciated.
I am glad that it has stayed open because to be honest, without Argonath i would be very bored :lol:
There is no server quite like Argonath, Not just the scripts but the Entire Community.
I love Argonath a lot and hope to see it live on for many years to come.
:ps: Once i obtain more Money into my Paypal account, I will gladly donate more Money.
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no matter what happens, we always seem to push through and continue what we do best.
we have developed a great comunity for everyone and have made some great friends out of this.
to the future! and beyond :D
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You brought us the best gift any stranger can give, a gift of Friendship, Thousands of people became friends, thousands still remember fondly the server and community.
Thank you for this Gift, it will newer be forgoten.
Word up.
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Thank you for everything that you have made on the server. The way i see it, we are all a guess that is sleeping on Gandalf house without paying any rent. :lol: . Somehow some people do paid :)
(( I cant pay because no /sms system in our country and i dont have credit card :( ))
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Thank you.
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Im glad to hear this, maybe this will get most of the players to realize that the owners arent just some rich millioniares but also regular peoples like us, the only difference is just that they spent their money on you, wich im highly glad for, as they have changed the whole game for me and also made alot of fun for both me and might also be you too.
I hope it will go very good with the servers and economy and yeah Good luck :)
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''Argonath will move forward'' THAT's the kinda shit what i want to hear.I'll be getting some cash in a few months then i will donate.
Thank you Gandy.
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Thank you.Argonath made my life change and it continues doing it.
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You brought us the best gift any stranger can give, a gift of Friendship, Thousands of people became friends, thousands still remember fondly the server and community.
Thank you for this Gift, it will newer be forgoten.
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Thank you for everything!
Please add /sms option to Croatia, and I would donate...
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Frank, are you seriously out of your mind?
MTA:VC has always been ArgonathRPG's home and always will be.
Just because the servers are not full with 100 people 24/7 dosen't mean people don't play them and don't appricate them, maybe you don't, but the players if the communities do.
Yeah, but it would be great, if MTA:VC would have any players in it 24/7, but we don't nor usually 10 at high peaks. The truth is MTA:VC is mainly dead and if necessary I think it can be closed down. MTA:VC is and always will be where Argonath started that won't change, but as Argonath moves on, players should too. If the MTAVC server would be closed down, those players who are from there, you included would become Legendary as you are from the birthplace of Argonath.
But as Gandalf said, it doesn't take that much resources it is good it stays running.
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I agree to with Alas, i have met new friends on argo, gotten better in writing and for that sake writing english also. I hope this will keep going for years to come :)
Yes, one of the many things Argonath has helped me improve is my English skills. After viewing my first post on this forum, and then comparing it to my more recent posts, it almost makes me laugh at the huge difference grammatically wise.
It's also helped me with many, many other things, such as my sense of humour, socializing skills, confidence and other things of which I class important.
In a sense, without Argonath, I wouldn't be the person I am today, and for that, I sincerely thank you.
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Thank you Gandalf, you've done alot for this community and have brang alot to us. I'm sure everyone who's a regular here has made many friends, and as a community we are all brought together. I would donate, but I've got no paypal, credit card, access to my bank account, and I'm moving house very soon. When I can, I'll try to donate.
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A big thank you to everyone who has helped in aiding Argonath's lasting; whether it be financially or by just having a better attitude ingame. As someone has said, this is what we need to hear, that Argonath will continue to move on and that we can make it through the tough times. Because at the end of the tunnel, there is the light.
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Thanks to Gandalf and everyone else who has made this community as good as it is and I hope it keeps getting better. Argonath is a one of a kind server and if it did happen to close down I would not know where to go next and I think so would alot of other people, but lets not think about that.
Long live Argonath!
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Thank you.Argonath made my life change and it continues doing it.
Same here. Argonath has vastly improved my English vocabulary and personality. Argonath helped me overcome many hardships I had in my life and it continues doing so.
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God bless you all, spending so many freakin' cash for a game.. That's just.. Wow.
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Yes, one of the many things Argonath has helped me improve is my English skills. After viewing my first post on this forum, and then comparing it to my more recent posts, it almost makes me laugh at the huge difference grammatically wise.
It's also helped me with many, many other things, such as my sense of humour, socializing skills, confidence and other things of which I class important.
In a sense, without Argonath, I wouldn't be the person I am today, and for that, I sincerely thank you.
*cough*native speaker*cough* :D
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*cough*native speaker*cough* :D
Yeah, but being totally honest, I sucked at English before I came to Argonath. :D
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Thank you Gandalf and all other Argonath developers that have made this community grow upto what it truely is. You guys are the backbone to Argonath and without you I wouldnt have met some of my best online friends. Thank you for taking the strives that you have taken to make the server a better place for all of us. I know with the budget crisis striking us in 2009 that alot of people are strugling and the fact that you guys would go to take an extra step to help Argonath says how truely dedicated you are.
When I get a few extra dollars into my paypal account you can gaurantee that it will be going towards Argonath and I hope to see this community around for many years to come.
SkyHawk
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Yeah, but it would be great, if MTA:VC would have any players in it 24/7, but we don't nor usually 10 at high peaks. The truth is MTA:VC is mainly dead and if necessary I think it can be closed down. MTA:VC is and always will be where Argonath started that won't change, but as Argonath moves on, players should too. If the MTAVC server would be closed down, those players who are from there, you included would become Legendary as you are from the birthplace of Argonath.
But as Gandalf said, it doesn't take that much resources it is good it stays running.
You don't know why it's inactive, do you? It's not the fact that Argo's players don't care, it's the fact that the software is bugged and needs updating. I can't talk about it, but don't lose hope right now, as there will be a chance in the future for it...
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Same here. Argonath has vastly improved my English vocabulary and personality. Argonath helped me overcome many hardships I had in my life and it continues doing so.
Word.
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SA:MP servers actually run beautifully on a server with 512mb RAM. Though if servers run plugins, the amount can be used up. Just like Kye's(SA:MP Creator) plugin 'MapAndreas' uses 70MB RAM and all it does is detect where a building or where the ground is from the X and Y co-ordinate the player is at. He worked is so hard to be fast that it comes around the 20 - 30 ms mark of execution. Maybe even faster.
We are with you Gandalf..
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The Argonath Community has become a second family, where we are all, mostly, friends. A lot of good friends that are dear to me have been made, who are always there for you, and will support you when needed. Argonath has grown beyond any expectation which could've possibly been thought of which has made it such a unique community to be part of and enjoy. The work that has gone into Argonath is just astonishing as it has continued to create and improve on many aspects which makes it so valuable to many members who have been in this community for a long time or even those who have recently joined and have come to like Argonath.
Argonath may have had its up and downs through the years but it has always been there to make friends and have fun when your bored.
Long live Argonath.
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MTA:VC might be our birthplace, but the cold hard fact is. The software itself is way to old and outdated to be of any interest to new players.
You may script as much as you want, but the software needs to adapt to the future, which it can't thanks to MultiTheftAuto itself is not updating it/will not update it.
Honestly, in my opinion the MTA:VC server should be shut down. It might be fun for the oldschools to play on, but it won't attract new players in the way it needs to to be really active.
If you guys really want mta:vc to breath strong once again, you need to talk to the original developers and ask for the source code. Otherwise I see no future in mta:vc.
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Hooray for Argonath, a strong community that won't dissapear... :banana:
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If you guys really want mta:vc to breath strong once again, you need to talk to the original developers and ask for the source code. Otherwise I see no future in mta:vc.
I can't believe how many times it will need Sugar to repeat the same message over and over...
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I'm extremely grateful for the ongoing efforts into the Argonath community. We have seen vast improvements in processes from top level down which have greatly increased quality control throughout. Despite financial woes as a result of the credit crisis in 2009. Please rest assured that our community are behind their leaders in paving forward a new generation of humour, enjoyment and gratitude.
It's clearly time to exhaust all opportunities of strength within the community and perhaps introduce new policies which bear close to the Argonath vision. We may want to closely analysis our competitors to see whether we are maximising the impact of our community to its effectiveness. This may help offset the current expenditure.
We may also want to consider closing down non-core operations which may be deemed exploitable or resource draining. For example, sub-communities such as VC:MP or MTA:VC should be reviewed, restructured or perhaps closed down in a effort to shore up strength in core assets such as SA:MP.
Close down SA:MP :D. Thats costing the most. MTA:VC with it's 26 slots is shit cheap.
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Gandalf, I thank you for bringing so many people into friendship and meetings.
The real heros aren't presidents or soldiers there out on the field, it are the people like you, that keep people in contact and help them being social. You inspire me. :)
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Honestly, in my opinion the MTA:VC server should be shut down. It might be fun for the oldschools to play on, but it won't attract new players in the way it needs to to be really active.
A server is no good if it doesn't bring in new players. As simple as that.
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Argonath started on MTA, I don't think they intend to end its legacy any time soon.
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You know, new players always show up on MTA:VC, even though it's nothing compared to the ASE times...
The problem is that new players don't have any regulars to play with since 99% of them left to other Argo servers...
These new players join server, no one experienced there, they leave.
Last time MTA:VC got really active was in November/December, guess who made it active in first place? a few new players.
About the talk of shutting down MTA:VC... Well, we already went through that last year, fortunately it was decided not to be done.
But, if one day main devs have to do it, who am I to say otherwise?
I'm thankful to you guys for giving us the opportunity to play in such amazing community. Month after month.
Argonath is my second home, it's where I first come to when I have free time.
I'm also thankful to some loyal MTA:VC players like Zaila, Trobby and Grzesiek, who are always there helping on server activity.
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argonath for the win!
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argonath for the win!
Duuh.
Well I wish the old MTA:VC players would stay on the server, not just go in - no one there - leave immediately. The server is so empty because ASE is down, but also because the players have abandoned it.
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argonath for the win!
argonath for the win!
argonath for the win!
argonath for the win!
argonath for the win!
Now i just gotta get unbanned
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Argonath has brought me many things of which I'll never forget. I honestly thank you for the hard work you've put into Argonath.
Couldn't say better, long life to argo, ty gandalf :D
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I have to agree with everyone here. Argonath RPG has helped me regain my love in the police force, which has inspired me to make my life-long career in law enforcement like I once wanted to do. Thank you for that. It also helped me find the love of my life, and regain my interest in GTA modifications, not to mention something top secret I'm currently working on. Long live Argonath RPG and it's owners, which I hope to one day meet in person so I can thank them face to face. :)
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I have to agree with everyone here. Argonath RPG has helped me regain my love in the police force, which has inspired me to make my life-long career in law enforcement like I once wanted to do.
I gotta agree. Same with me.
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Only I can say that if I hadn't found argonath back in Summer of 2008, I would've have quitted Computers and web, since I was bored as hell after I had lost every contact I had online with friends that time..
Argonath helped me grow up a bit, make some new friends, join a great community which is open for all and always happy to help others
I'd like to thank you, owners, for your effort and strength in keeping argonath alive, what it is right now, and not quitting!
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Argonath did help me in my english... That's why I got 75/75 pts in english exam @ college :D
Also I have many new friends from here to talk with :)
Hope you can keep Argonath going on :)
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Argonath... man... it brought me the worst moments of my life... oh yeah... and good ones too
Argo thought me to hate Klaus.... and that's a pretty valuable lesson... it also thought me that obeying to a person 3 years younger than you can be cool ( [TAC] Marco :devroll: )
Argo turned my life less boring and it also thought me that deep inside.... we all have a little bastard that wants to kill everyone alive... damn .... Argonath was argonath... it's argonath... it will always be argonath... until Gandalf dies.... let's just hope he still has 1000 more years to live
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Argonath... man... it brought me the worst moments of my life... oh yeah... and good ones too
Argo thought me to hate Klaus.... and that's a pretty valuable lesson... it also thought me that obeying to a person 3 years younger than you can be cool ( [TAC] Marco :devroll: )
Argo turned my life less boring and it also thought me that deep inside.... we all have a little bastard that wants to kill everyone alive... damn .... Argonath was argonath... it's argonath... it will always be argonath... until Gandalf dies.... let's just hope he still has 1000 more years to live
Amen... And if Gandalf dies (which will probably never happen) Chuck Norris will take it all over...
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Just hold out till this summer and ill donate probably monthly. This community is my home and i really wish to keep making friends and all that awesomeness :roll: . I love Argonath and pretty much the way its ran. Great communities. I thank you for not giving up on everyone Gandalf.
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Amen... And if Gandalf dies (which will probably never happen) Chuck Norris will take it all over...
Chuck Norris can keep Gandalf alive :lol:
Long Live Argonath, best server(s!)
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Chuck Norris can keep Gandalf alive :lol:
Long Live Argonath, best server(s!)
If Gandal ens up in the hopital, Chuck kicks him out and tells him to go back to work. :lol: Nah but seriously, Argonath is great! :D
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Yeah, Ever since I started playing Argonath my IT Skills have advanced, I have gained en even bigger interest in IT, and Media.
It has inspired me to do many things I would not have done before.
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Argonath.....what can we say?
Its Argonath.PERIOD
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Argonath.....what can we say?
Its Argonath.PERIOD
'Cause we would of never of thought of that. :conf:
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Argonath have increased my English knowledge a lot, for sure.
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Argonath have increased my English knowledge a lot, for sure.
We can see that ^^ nah j/k same for me :razz:
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Argonath have increased my English knowledge a lot, for sure.
Same.
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Argonath have increased my English knowledge a lot, for sure.
Y33s, her t0o. Me wery god on inglish now! me king!
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Y33s, her t0o. Me wery god on inglish now! me king!
i lol'ed Anyway lets hope this will keep doing in a few months we reach 4 years :)
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Also what Argonath RPG is good for is teaching you social, business and many other skills, just by RPing different things which you can also use IRL.
I think if people start playing Argonath at an age of 12-14 they can really develop and experience a good community, good friends, social skills in talking, acting, helping, etc.
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Al_Fathead reminds me someone :lol: