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Title: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 10, 2010, 09:19:50 pm
Since registering on the SA:MP server; I've seen many Destruction Derbies.

I've noticed whenever there is a Destruction Derby, during before the event begins and shortly after the event, there is total havoc, disrespect, kicking of members - making them all angry and moaning, swearing, w.e

People join DD's for the money, if they don't get it, they whine / harass / get upset.

There is also a lot of flooding and spam. When management makes pay-check / lotto, it's a much different thing, everyone is happy, even those who say "/spam off" or "WTF stop the spam" secretly want to join in, tbh, that spam is better then constant bitching and flaming, moaning.

Why should DD's be welcome if no-one can behave / they are (poorly or) simply un-manageable?


What are your views / opinions?
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Clone on May 10, 2010, 09:24:58 pm
100% agreed. Argonath is full of moneyhungry people.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 10, 2010, 09:26:43 pm
100% agreed. Argonath is full of moneyhungry people.

I am money hungry, as it's the driving force in good things, although it is the root of all evil.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Julio. on May 10, 2010, 09:36:57 pm
Very easy to say people are money hungry for people who have it. 

Prove u are not money hungry by giving it away to money hungry people?
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: BlackBird on May 10, 2010, 09:41:28 pm
The Problem is not the management, or the staff of the dd, but the partakers.
Today was havoc because the partakers made it so, by far today was the worse one i've ever worked at.
We all tryed our hardest to make it fun, but the partakers refused to have fun.
People rejoined, and broke nearly all the rules, and then moaned at us for doing our job as staff because we warned them that they were breaking the rules.
Chuck left the server upset today because of this, you people fail to comprehend that your moaning about the server, the people, the script, and then moaning about the server not changing is your own fault.
you want change? change yourselves first.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 10, 2010, 09:46:31 pm
you people

I was never apart of a DD in months.

However I suggested to a Staff member of the DD to divert people to a CB channel, they said, 999 was only for DD staff.



Post Merge: May 10, 2010, 09:47:49 pm
Very easy to say people are money hungry for people who have it. 

Prove u are not money hungry by giving it away to money hungry people?

You have a point, it is very easy for people with money to call others money hungry, but its also easy for people with less money to also recognise others as Money hungry.

But, please do not go on about this money hungry stuff, keep it on topic if you do.

Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Hidduh on May 10, 2010, 09:48:26 pm
As Ryan stated after the DD; if this continue he'll change it into a closed event, invite only.

Many people have been DQ'ed & banned from the DD's today.. dissapointing.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Gandalf on May 10, 2010, 09:53:08 pm
Reduce the prize money. If people can win just 5k only the people who enjoy the event will show up.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Tsub0 on May 10, 2010, 09:53:31 pm
I'm always on the DD's for fun. I admit i'm sometimes moneyhungry, but if i loose DD i am not moaning. I don't care if i win it or loose it. It's just awesome fun.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: OneLiterBeer on May 10, 2010, 10:04:03 pm
I like invitation system. I would love to participate just for fun with patient nad calm players :)

I suggest you to do so , because at this DD was complete madness ( spartaaaaa). Money hungries popped my tires in order to increase their chances of winning.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: MyleS on May 10, 2010, 10:50:34 pm
This is totally wrong, The DD is just great.. most of players have fun, and even loosers, they walk out satisfied. If you're talking about someone in particular thats another thing, but in General, eveything is just fine.. its just your luck maybe.

There is also a lot of flooding and spam. When management makes pay-check / lotto, it's a much different thing, everyone is happy, even those who say "/spam off" or "WTF stop the spam" secretly want to join in, tbh, that spam is better then constant bad guying and flaming, moaning.
At least thats better than your repeated /ad spaming, useless and totally wrong use of that roleplay command, maybe you should refrain from spaming 2 lines of orange texts before you speak about others spaming.

Why should DD's be welcome if no-one can behave / they are (poorly or) simply un-manageable?


What are your views / opinions?

So, you just wanna manage the DD? thats what you want? Sorry to tell you, but Gregerson is doing a pretty good job, and i liked every single DD even ive won none of em.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Alsatian on May 10, 2010, 10:58:31 pm
I don't care about the money, it's just for teh lulz for me. However, someone people tend to generalise and have the view that ALL players are money hungry.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Kizzu on May 10, 2010, 11:13:02 pm
What Gandalf said or no Prize Money at all....  :poke:
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: MyleS on May 10, 2010, 11:15:20 pm
What Gandalf said or no Prize Money at all....  :poke:
Money has nothing to do with anything, its just a word that spread all over the community. People do stuff, not virtual money.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: CaptainCrazy on May 10, 2010, 11:24:08 pm
Money is the world, world is the money - people will always fight for it. It doesn't matter if it's in real life, or if it's ingame.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Unmountable on May 10, 2010, 11:28:14 pm
Very easy to say people are money hungry for people who have it. 

Prove u are not money hungry by giving it away to money hungry people?

I had to comment on this. In my bank i have a maximum of 120k. I gave away 50k currently to an old member ( Bueto ), so please, dont say that.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: b2311e on May 10, 2010, 11:31:05 pm
I can't comment specifically on tonight's derby since I wasn't able to be there, but from what I have heard, it is no different to how I would generally expect it to be normally. "You rammed me", "You are a <insert word here>", "/spam off". No surprises, this is what happens every time. If people wern't so damn money hungry, they would visit the Derby section of this website and they would read and understand the rules hopefully, and then play to the proper rules and get fun instead of moaning out of it. Its for F-U-N, not money, and until people realise that, I do actually agree that the prize money should be lowered. I'm not saying this to get more frequent DD's, but to show people what the events are really about, and hopefully proper games will be restored in the future.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Jcstodds on May 10, 2010, 11:38:48 pm

- Get stricter security. Anyone causing trouble? Blow them up like in old days.
- Yes DD is an event but include RP (within reason). Hire worker for hot dog stand and other RP vendors to keep players interested.
- Provide some form of entertainment for those waiting in line/ for event to start. This could include stand up comedy (joke telling), some quizzes etc - all that can happen through RP (do not take over main chat with things can be done in RP - even quizzes would be better if not on main chat).

- Stop being tight arse bitches and let everyone in cb 999. It's the event channel. Fair enough if people spam, kick them from server or whatever - but DD is more about players and staff having good time. DD is not business, DD is for fun. Let everyone in channel, then people have clearer idea of what managing is like. Surely you get more spam, but just deal with it. It's more fun that way.
 CB 999 was specifically chosen as it is PUBLIC. P U B L I C. This was on purpose believe it or not and had no problems when it was like this.

- There have always been people opposing the DD, and some of these even lead to it being closed! These same people ended up loving the DD in the end. There will always be sore losers but really who gives a shit about them. If they don't like event they don't have to go.


Want to win DD? Go to have fun. True winners are the ones who go away having enjoyed themselves and have had a great time. Want money? You will only end up pissed off at little things and walk away being pissed off and piss poor still.


  And for those who are thinking who the fuck I am: I'm just a nosy bastard who has it in his best interests for the DD to succeed.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: BlackBird on May 10, 2010, 11:41:23 pm
I actually agree with gandalf, decrease the prize money.
Everyone misses the point of why we do the DD, it's not because we like being panicked and moaned about, or because we like wasting money on ungrateful people who moaned the entire time as well.
We do it because it's suppose to be fun, it's suppose to be a event that everyone can enjoy as a community.
Today we expected to have fun, instead we left the event feeling disappointed in the community we were apart of, because hardly any of you can have fun anymore without complaining to someone about some stupid little thing.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Gandalf on May 10, 2010, 11:50:23 pm
Actually jcstodds is the guy who started the DD, so his views are among the best.

Be strict, be fair and rememeber everyone it is about fun instead of about competition.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 10, 2010, 11:52:14 pm
This is totally wrong, The DD is just great.. most of players have fun, and even loosers, they walk out satisfied. If you're talking about someone in particular thats another thing, but in General, eveything is just fine.. its just your luck maybe.
At least thats better than your repeated /ad spaming, useless and totally wrong use of that roleplay command, maybe you should refrain from spaming 2 lines of orange texts before you speak about others spaming.
So, you just wanna manage the DD? thats what you want? Sorry to tell you, but Gregerson is doing a pretty good job, and i liked every single DD even ive won none of em.

WOW.

Lol'd

You are seriously fucking hilarious.

You've just come out with this view, because I made it.

FYI, this isn't a BCA thread, are you shocked I care?

Please refrain from giving me such pathetic flaming / responses.

Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: MyleS on May 10, 2010, 11:54:45 pm
WOW.

Lol'd

You are seriously f**king hilarious.

You've just come out with this view, because I made it.

FYI, this isn't a BCA thread, are you shocked I care?

Please refrain from giving me such pathetic flaming / responses.


Well i didnt flame you anyhow, uh dude what a reaction.. id rather skip talking to you. Contact me when you are able to speak properly.

Actually jcstodds is the guy who started the DD, so his views are among the best.

Be strict, be fair and rememeber everyone it is about fun instead of about competition.
Well i must confirm, his DD was definitely the best. So yeah, its just about fairplay. That if you really wanna have fun.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 10, 2010, 11:58:40 pm
- Get stricter security. Anyone causing trouble? Blow them up like in old days.
- Yes DD is an event but include RP (within reason). Hire worker for hot dog stand and other RP vendors to keep players interested.
- Provide some form of entertainment for those waiting in line/ for event to start. This could include stand up comedy (joke telling), some quizzes etc - all that can happen through RP (do not take over main chat with things can be done in RP - even quizzes would be better if not on main chat).

- Stop being tight arse bad guyes and let everyone in cb 999. It's the event channel. Fair enough if people spam, kick them from server or whatever - but DD is more about players and staff having good time. DD is not business, DD is for fun. Let everyone in channel, then people have clearer idea of what managing is like. Surely you get more spam, but just deal with it. It's more fun that way.
 CB 999 was specifically chosen as it is PUBLIC. P U B L I C. This was on purpose believe it or not and had no problems when it was like this.

- There have always been people opposing the DD, and some of these even lead to it being closed! These same people ended up loving the DD in the end. There will always be sore losers but really who gives a shit about them. If they don't like event they don't have to go.


Want to win DD? Go to have fun. True winners are the ones who go away having enjoyed themselves and have had a great time. Want money? You will only end up pissed off at little things and walk away being pissed off and piss poor still.


  And for those who are thinking who the f**k I am: I'm just a nosy bastard who has it in his best interests for the DD to succeed.

Wow.

You've given one the of the best responses today.

I agree, people think DD official status = It's a business or w.e, it's not treated at all with RP.

I rememebr, I tried rping juice lady cop (>.<) in the lines, was told to F*ck off basically, as I wasn't staff.

I've tried being the driver and touring people to the DD, and around the DD area with "historic" rp tour info on LV.
 

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When I used to join DD's, I was angry simply because of the long waiting time, the moaning, and the fact these two clever blokes held my patriot in a tight area with there huge trucker vehicles, lol. I was like "OMG, please let me play :("


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There have always been people opposing the DD, and some of these even lead to it being closed! These same people ended up loving the DD in the end. There will always be sore losers but really who gives a shit about them. If they don't like event they don't have to go.

You refer to me?

Because I don't take part in DD's much, usually rping, when DD whole event time started , was RPing with smey :D, then went AFK to find DD moaning was still on.

I simply made the thread because I wanted to know what others thought regarding the spam and other subjects.

Post Merge: May 11, 2010, 12:03:05 am
Well i didnt flame you anyhow, uh dude what a reaction.. id rather skip talking to you. Contact me when you are able to speak properly.

What ever you say, I am simply tired of the BS regarding what I do. You criticize my use of /ad for what you believe to be a poor RP excuse. 

But I do not see how you still believe this DD was the best, I saw it simply as what it's been like always, flaming, moaning, people shouting and screening for it to start, It's a shame I couldn't experience this event, the one that happened to be so marvellous :/

Post Merge: May 11, 2010, 12:05:42 am
some people tend to generalise and have the view that ALL players are money hungry.

Indeed they do.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: supermanmk on May 11, 2010, 12:13:52 am
Ok dd offers a lot of cash and attracts all of the players but there are like 100 of guys pushing in line flaming administration and all. Than while the DD starts there are carjacks, lag rams and all kind of s***. The chances for me to win are very small plus i need a car that is strong and it takes searching and speeding there so at the end I WONT WIN, ILL GET ANGRY and get myself in big trouble so i ignore DDs and i dont go to dds any more it just brought trouble to me you need nerves for all that ram,flames and stuff and i kinda feel sorry for admins that have to deal with a bunch of angry players flaming everyone because they lost.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Aksel on May 11, 2010, 12:21:39 am
I see no particulary reason for this "officialy DD crew" group, as everyone are able to create a DD if they want.

Oh, and Jcstodds, if we blow them up, you won't believe what would happen  :lol:
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: BlackBird on May 11, 2010, 12:26:22 am
I see no particulary reason for this "officialy DD crew" group, as everyone are able to create a DD if they want.

Oh, and Jcstodds, if we blow them up, you won't believe what would happen  :lol:
either them moaning more about "OMG DM" on main chat, or intervention by admins.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Pandalink on May 11, 2010, 04:46:41 am
The DD was a good way to make a lump sum. Sorry to look at it economically, but if you went all out in the DD you stood no chance.
The winner was usually the laggiest pauser who didn't get caught.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: MrFrancis on May 11, 2010, 05:36:25 am
Ok, guys. I am really money hungry, yeah that's the truth since I'm planning to buy a shamal, I join All the DDs there if I catch up, free or not, I just want the fun. I won a 25k DD hosted by Rory, people kept asking me money, cause of that I gave it all, But what happened next? I gained 5x the money I shared, so this isn't all the money guys. This is about the Fun and sometimes...the cash. I've seen people begging for money, I am, too included. I begged for money when I had a little cash, but people keep telling me to never give up and join DDs, lol. Mostly about the topic, I understand. Destruction Derbies are really made to be fun, not the cash. Like what Gandalf said. We can see who really is a True DD'er if they join a no prize money in a DD. Like I said, DD is made to be fun.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Oliver on May 11, 2010, 07:16:03 am
100% agreed. Argonath is full of moneyhungry people.

That's because you can't really play some roles with no money whatsoever. It's quite difficult to make money and I spend about 100k on guns monthly and it's pretty impossible for me to do anything completely unarmed as I always end up getting assaulted.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Gregersen on May 11, 2010, 07:30:12 am
Reduce the prize money. If people can win just 5k only the people who enjoy the event will show up.
Could be taken into consideration. Lets discuss on MSN or on the derby forums - Shall we?

Simply, if there is too much moaning, we will  CANCEL the Official DD for that day (Every monday)
Its a GAME, not a mission, it happens every week, you chance to win is there too.
I hear from the admins that the reports are FLOODED at the DDs, wich is also anoying me realy much.
If people cannot enjoy an event that WE use OUR time to organize, and host then there is certainly something wrong - because its ment to be funny.

  And for those who are thinking who the f**k I am: I'm just a nosy bastard who has it in his best interests for the DD to succeed.
You are the DD Founder dude.. Not (only :P) a nosy bastard.
www.derby.argonathrpg.com
 
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: OneLiterBeer on May 11, 2010, 12:30:07 pm
That's because you can't really play some roles with no money whatsoever. It's quite difficult to make money and I spend about 100k on guns monthly and it's pretty impossible for me to do anything completely unarmed as I always end up getting assaulted.

This is wrong. I made 200k in two days. Bought and tuned comet and i still have 200k. The trick is , I don't worry about money , I spend it everywhere but it just keeps coming back to me. So don't worry about money , every time when i'm sused , i get killed and lose 1k. So what? It's just 1k.


And ill repeat , make Official DD with no prize at all. Or make it better! Just like IRL. Put part taking price and by doing so you can make the total prize from that money. Example - 60 player x 500$ = 30k prize money.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Darren Flier on May 11, 2010, 12:33:48 pm
DDs r all the same how it can be fun for everyone?  :trust:
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Mafs on May 11, 2010, 12:39:21 pm
That's because you can't really play some roles with no money whatsoever. It's quite difficult to make money and I spend about 100k on guns monthly and it's pretty impossible for me to do anything completely unarmed as I always end up getting assaulted.
Why?
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: supermanmk on May 11, 2010, 01:36:17 pm
That's because you can't really play some roles with no money whatsoever. It's quite difficult to make money and I spend about 100k on guns monthly and it's pretty impossible for me to do anything completely unarmed as I always end up getting assaulted.

there are more rp characters except mafia and killers rp something else
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: EminemRulez on May 11, 2010, 01:37:32 pm
Make $0 prized event :)
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Daco on May 11, 2010, 01:46:33 pm
This is totally wrong, The DD is just great.. most of players have fun, and even loosers, they walk out satisfied. If you're talking about someone in particular thats another thing, but in General, eveything is just fine.. its just your luck maybe.
At least thats better than your repeated /ad spaming, useless and totally wrong use of that roleplay command, maybe you should refrain from spaming 2 lines of orange texts before you speak about others spaming.
So, you just wanna manage the DD? thats what you want? Sorry to tell you, but Gregerson is doing a pretty good job, and i liked every single DD even ive won none of em.

wow dude every post of yours is just a pure waste of energy to read
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Oliver on May 11, 2010, 02:07:20 pm
This is wrong. I made 200k in two days.

You may have made 200k in two days, but I know a lot of people that have played for months and have never passed the 100k mark. Do not use your own experience as comparison to everyone.

If you say 'But they didn't try hard enough', take a look at all the supposedly 'moneyhungry' people. Trying hard is what they're doing.

Post Merge: May 11, 2010, 02:09:00 pm
Why?

To have fun. I don't worry about money, I have plenty of it.
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Julio. on May 11, 2010, 05:06:54 pm
I had to comment on this. In my bank i have a maximum of 120k. I gave away 50k currently to an old member ( Bueto ), so please, dont say that.

funny, I have 30k in my bank...  not 120k
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Leonardo on May 11, 2010, 05:35:52 pm
I'd like to say that the DD Crew is taking under consideration some of the suggestions that  have been posted in this topic, soonly you may hear announcements about big changes, or not. Just be patient.

- The DD Crew
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Gregersen on May 11, 2010, 09:26:27 pm
I'd like to say that the DD Crew is taking under consideration some of the suggestions that  have been posted in this topic, soonly you may hear announcements about big changes, or not. Just be patient.

- The DD Crew
DD Crew announces
A new attempt to make the moaning dissapear, and make the event funnier and more achievefull has been made, after talking with Gandalf
Read more here
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=54723.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=54723.0)
- DD Crew/Gregersen, DD Manager
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: xu1gua on May 12, 2010, 07:54:49 am
Reduce the prize money. If people can win just 5k only the people who enjoy the event will show up.
No one would come..
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Darren Flier on May 12, 2010, 08:28:09 am
No one would come..
quality not quantity sir
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Ziad on May 12, 2010, 11:38:54 am
Reduce the prize money. If people can win just 5k only the people who enjoy the event will show up.
true :D what about a DD for 1K xD
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Mikezor on May 12, 2010, 03:15:50 pm
Just do this,

/ad Destuction Derby LV Stadium - Prize money secret begins with 5 and ends with 0

If someone won he get $50k

I know why the moaning, because some dudes seriously wantsthat Money to win if they lose the are going to Spamm everyshit if they seeits only $50k they dont care than after that make an Payday of $5000 or an Lotto to make all moaner Happy :cool:
Title: Re: Destruction Derbys. The destruction of vehicles or people?
Post by: Caltson on May 12, 2010, 11:13:25 pm
I'm running the derby events since 2008, after Jcs planned to fix more time on his studies.

During that time, it worked out excellent. Each season was a great succes until Season 5, when someone else did took over and ruined the complete season. from that point, i took over again and created Season 6, the one that ran autumn 2009.

Now with this season, you guys seem to can't get over it's just a game, we're all having fun, and we even need to issue fulltime admins to the job since you guys can't behave? This is just a big dissapointment from my point of view. I love to organise derby's since they bring such nice features along. We had so many hotdog sellers, medics and boothbabes running around the stadium, yet this season they all dissapeared and started to moan? Come on guys.. Even in this topic you can't keep a normal discussion without flaming!
Relax and respect your fellow players, we all want to have fun here, so basicly you don't need to ruin it for each other.

As for the derby, I think the crew does what it needs to do, run the derby. The rest is all left to take for you guys, it's up to you to keep it fun.
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