Argonath RPG - A World of its own

GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Leon. on May 10, 2010, 11:05:18 pm

Title: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Leon. on May 10, 2010, 11:05:18 pm
Criminal groups are not DM groups. Nor are they intended to be

What you are about to read is NOT a direct attack to an admin. Yes, I know about the fucking email. I'm posting this to remind you of an apparently not so well known fact.

This has arisen due to the fact that many Gvardia members have been banned for "constant DM", and Samiir has threatened to shut Gvardia down, because we're apparently a "DM group" and DM isn't allowed on Argonath.

Gvardia was originally intended (and still is) to be a fun, actively roleplaying group to repopulate San Fierro, which used to be the least populated city. Many of our members actively participate and take joy in what they do. COUNTLESS members have been kicked due to reports on our members about anything ranging from hacks to deathmatching. This obviously proves that we are not intending to deathmatch.

This should apply to other groups as well. Stracci just wanted to have an enjoyable, roleplay crime syndicate. Diablos seems to have wanted to become the first successful Hispanic gang in San Fierro, which they have. They have also kicked countless members for deathmatching and flaming as well.

One of my more memorable kicks of a member from my Gvardia is someone who shall go nameless. He had a crazy, uncontrollable attitude, and constantly broke rules. He helikilled, DM'd, and flamed. Therefore, he was kicked the very day he was accepted.

Calling Gvardia DMers is like calling ARPD DMers, or even FBI or SWAT dmers. You might as well be calling the Argonath owners DMers by calling Gvardia a DM group. Just like Argonath's owner, developer, leader, and admin group, Gvardia can kick misbehaving members. (I hope you don't mind me picking on you, Frank Hawk).
If Frank Hawk banned Rory, Nexxt, IcyAero, SafetyMoose, TheRock, me, CBFasi, Pancher, Luca Russo, and Jimmy Cuneo for lulz, he's obviously getting kicked from the admin team. Gandalf isn't going to shut down the administration team (LOL IF THAT HAPPENS) because of Frank Hawk. For the most part, our admins behave fairly well. So all of the other admins who actually enjoy their job (O.O) shouldn't be put to the dirt because of Frank Hawk (I'm done picking on you now.)
If Roman Gvardia killed Nexxt, IcyAero, SafetyMoose, TheRock, me, CBFasi, Pancher, Luca Russo, and Jimmy Cuneo for the lulz, he's instantly getting kicked if we witness it, and getting kicked in time with evidence provided. Cofiliano isn't shutting down Gvardia because Roman killed them for the lulz, he's kicking him and carrying on with our normal things.

And again, criminal groups aren't DM groups. Some of their members might be. Don't push what LOLWAT_Ancelotti or IAREWETODED_Stracci or LOLBUNNY_Gvardia did on the groups themselves, push it on the people who DID the crimes to our society we call Argonath, a World of Its Own.

Thank you for your time
Leon Gvardia, Gvardia Underboss
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Que on May 10, 2010, 11:06:38 pm
"Gvardia | SA:MP Best Criminal Group 2009" - says it all.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Alsatian on May 10, 2010, 11:13:32 pm
For me, at least, the rules are quite unclear. For example I had no idea that you couldn't aid a friend - or ally - if you weren't suspected or there previously yourself.

And this hate between ARPD and criminal groups has to stop, seriously. It's a game, just get along and stop moaning every goddamn second.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Leon. on May 10, 2010, 11:42:02 pm
"Gvardia | SA:MP Best Criminal Group 2009" - says it all.
The Best Criminal Group 2009 would DM and ruin their reputation for the lulz, apparently.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 10, 2010, 11:46:57 pm
We have provided our players with a basic set of simple rules. They allow a very large freedom of different styles, which is not equalled on any other server.

In return we ask our players to respect each other. This seems to become a big problem lately, as the differences between groups and roles are becoming more intensive and the disrespect between these groups seems to grow.

With the loss of respect will come a larger focus on maintaining the rules, as if players can not handle them selves and each other with respect, it is up to us to make them. Now many players seem to be unaware that we have topics with regard to our interpretation of the rules running for a very long time, and that these were created so that players will know our position on the rules in case of any kind of enforcement needed.

Recently a number of groups seem to have forgotten that ropleplay is not getting suspected and having a shootout, then creating a gangwar and having a shootout, because of that being wanted and having a shootout etc.
While the interaction between cops and criminals, and the interaction between criminals them selves, is a big part of GTA, and also a big part of the roleplay, that does not mean that every situation must end in shooting and killing.
In fact that is what should be avoided unless absolutely needed.

The banning of yesterday had nothing to do with Gvardia as group. With groups forgetting basic rules, it could have been any other group caught in the same situation, and it is not unthinkable that very soon other groups will be caught for making the same mistake.

We allow violence and shooting between cops and criminals, or criminals between them selves. However we do not allow Team DM, straight DM or attempts to create this. This is the reason why in the past we have limited the ability to assist wanted players to those directly involved in the play and minor help in fleeing by family members. We might not always have strictly enforced this, but that does not mean it was ever changed.

If you feel at any times uncertain about what is and what is not allowed, read the topic where you can ask the developers. If you can not find the answer there, ask us. That will be much better as suddenly finding yourself banned for something you never bothered to think about being disallowed.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Leon. on May 10, 2010, 11:59:37 pm
We have provided our players with a basic set of simple rules. They allow a very large freedom of different styles, which is not equalled on any other server.

In return we ask our players to respect each other. This seems to become a big problem lately, as the differences between groups and roles are becoming more intensive and the disrespect between these groups seems to grow.

With the loss of respect will come a larger focus on maintaining the rules, as if players can not handle them selves and each other with respect, it is up to us to make them. Now many players seem to be unaware that we have topics with regard to our interpretation of the rules running for a very long time, and that these were created so that players will know our position on the rules in case of any kind of enforcement needed.

Recently a number of groups seem to have forgotten that ropleplay is not getting suspected and having a shootout, then creating a gangwar and having a shootout, because of that being wanted and having a shootout etc.
While the interaction between cops and criminals, and the interaction between criminals them selves, is a big part of GTA, and also a big part of the roleplay, that does not mean that every situation must end in shooting and killing.
In fact that is what should be avoided unless absolutely needed.

The banning of yesterday had nothing to do with Gvardia as group. With groups forgetting basic rules, it could have been any other group caught in the same situation, and it is not unthinkable that very soon other groups will be caught for making the same mistake.

We allow violence and shooting between cops and criminals, or criminals between them selves. However we do not allow Team DM, straight DM or attempts to create this. This is the reason why in the past we have limited the ability to assist wanted players to those directly involved in the play and minor help in fleeing by family members. We might not always have strictly enforced this, but that does not mean it was ever changed.

If you feel at any times uncertain about what is and what is not allowed, read the topic where you can ask the developers. If you can not find the answer there, ask us. That will be much better as suddenly finding yourself banned for something you never bothered to think about being disallowed.
Are you accusing Gvardia of
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Recently a number of groups seem to have forgotten that ropleplay is not getting suspected and having a shootout, then creating a gangwar and having a shootout, because of that being wanted and having a shootout etc.
While the interaction between cops and criminals, and the interaction between criminals them selves, is a big part of GTA, and also a big part of the roleplay, that does not mean that every situation must end in shooting and killing.
In fact that is what should be avoided unless absolutely needed.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Mikro on May 11, 2010, 12:33:21 am
I definitely agree with what both of you are saying (Luigi and Gandalf). Relations between cops and criminals should become better. Nowadays we are seeing a lot of provoking, moaning and flaming from both sides as well between criminals and between cops. The overall behaviour of all Argonath players should be changed. This starts with the basic respect you should give every player and with the ability to look at things from different sides.

An other thing, which is especially seen between cops and criminals, is that weapons are drawed to fast. For such simple situations as speeding a criminal takes out a combat shotgun and kills the officer, who is alone. This also counts for the cops side. Weapons are to fast unholstered and fired. With this both sides will do this even faster in the future. Cops take their weapons earlier, criminals will also do that. Criminals take their weapons faster, cops will also take them faster.

One thing must not be forgotten in the things I said in the previous paragraph. That is that the cops are supposed to wear weapons and use them to keep the streets save from criminals. And civilians should not wear heavy weaponary for self protection. With the fact that civilians are heavly armed normally, they will also use those weapons directly when they get suspected. Criminals are supposed to do a crime without cops in sight and then run and hide, not keep riding in fast cars past lspd to provoke the cops to come after them.

I hope people will use guns less and go throw their shoes at an officer when they get a fine for speeding or something. Go bribe them, give them candy, throw them cookies, joke with them. Same goes for cops which suspect to fast. But there must be a clear line. Both sides must not go to far and go provoke each other. The criminals must try to evade being suspected and the officer must be kind explaining the criminals fault.

All what I wrote was just my opinion in a peanut-nutshells, and I hope you share it (partly). Also, none of this was pointed more to one side then an other. This is a problem and matter of us all.
 
Owh. I see the argument coming that cops don't use their weapons to keep the streets save and that criminals are protecting civilians more as cops. And this argument will come from officer Panda  :D
My answer will be: why are you then still going on-duty?  :roll:
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: supermanmk on May 11, 2010, 12:39:11 am
Just have fun and be something you are not IRL here on argo mobs are not just killing people ( well maybe not all the time ) there are lots of RP situations and mobs should not be treated as DM groups
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 11, 2010, 01:11:22 am
I think some are over hyping the current thing.

I've noticed little provocation or such acts which mikro / Gandalf / louis speak of.

I've seen criminals well behaved in terms of rules, i've seen a rise in cops dming though.


I've seen a lot of provocation towards Gvardia in the past from rogue cops. I've seen actually a drop in large scale gang activity. Rise although on Paruni from Argonath Gangs comming there and dming.

Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Leon. on May 11, 2010, 01:41:47 am
I think some are over hyping the current thing.

I've noticed little provocation or such acts which mikro / Gandalf / louis speak of.

I've seen criminals well behaved in terms of rules, i've seen a rise in cops dming though.


I've seen a lot of provocation towards Gvardia in the past from rogue cops. I've seen actually a drop in large scale gang activity. Rise although on Paruni from Argonath Gangs comming there and dming.
That drop in large scale gang activity is going to sharply rise over the past few weeks, months, or maybe even years, due to a recent event that I cannot share information about.

And yes, cops enjoy provoking us, hence we get punished for saying "fuck off" or "go away", or get punished for so called "MOANING" when we're getting them off our ass.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Antonio. on May 11, 2010, 01:49:47 am
Very much agreed.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Y2JFaN on May 11, 2010, 02:00:56 am
I've seen criminals well behaved in terms of rules, i've seen a rise in cops dming though.


I've seen a lot of provocation towards Gvardia in the past from rogue cops.
So i'm not the only one, good. And of course once some of those 'rogue cops' you speak of find this topic, it will be locked due to the flaming that will happen.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Leon. on May 11, 2010, 02:13:58 am
One of those rogue cops happens to be Giac.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/34gahld.png)

Helicopters exploding are every day situations, and everyone laughs at it, even the crasher themselves, but this time was.... whoa.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Xander on May 11, 2010, 02:49:40 am
Criminal groups and ARPD need to work together to create a fun Roleplaying Environment instead of guns blazing in all directions. Would be awesome to be able to roleplay with everyone :) .
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on May 11, 2010, 02:56:04 am
That screen was the day I told every member in that 'gangwar' not to shoot me as I was going to get weapons and leaving, and yet again, i was attacked by almost every person there. Luigi was like the only one that didn't shoot. I'm being honest and not trying to provoke or flame; but it seems Gvardia sees a blue dot, they just shoot and don't care. Even in Anelotti, I had many times where I was just about to leave because of having to be allies with Gvardia. Now, I don't have any problems with anyone in Gvardia, they're all great people and roleplayers, it just seems they're trained to shoot cops and enemies without roleplay. Repeating again, not meant to flame or provoke, but I just know someone will reply with something......
 ;)
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Pandalink on May 11, 2010, 04:26:40 am
The main point that I'd like to reiterate is that the member does not represent the group. Even a leader may not represent a group if there is more than one. For example, if I had a nervous breakdown and unfortunately came ingame and begun deathmatching, that should reflect badly on me - not on Araatus.
If a single member, or a small group, does something wrong, the group leader can deal with it, and kicks will come if necessary. If the leaders refuse to kick, consider it them condoning what was done and act accordingly from there - but only if they refuse to deal with it. This is the same philosophy the group war system is based upon.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: rJCaiG on May 11, 2010, 10:17:53 am
Calling Gvardia DMers is like calling ARPD DMers, or even FBI or SWAT dmers.

You still fail to understand that POLICE ARE THERE TO ENFORCE THE LAWS, WHICH CAN BE PUBLICLY VIEWED HERE (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=7849.0)!!!!!

One of those rogue cops happens to be Giac.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/34gahld.png)

Helicopters exploding are every day situations, and everyone laughs at it, even the crasher themselves, but this time was.... whoa.

lol this was months ago, did you report it to samp@argonathrpg.com?
why moan about it here now?  :rofl:
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 10:32:46 am
You still fail to understand that POLICE ARE THERE TO ENFORCE THE LAWS, WHICH CAN BE PUBLICLY VIEWED HERE (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=7849.0)!!!!!
These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: rJCaiG on May 11, 2010, 10:34:56 am
These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.
ok, so what do police enforce? if they are not the laws that players must abide by, then what is?
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: CBFasi on May 11, 2010, 10:55:56 am
These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.

And this is why I try to keep out of it...... even though I am ARPD I know that guidelines are not laws...
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 10:58:39 am
ok, so what do police enforce? if they are not the laws that players must abide by, then what is?
These laws are the interpretation of ARPD and guide how trained ARPD officers are to judge and react to situations. As for validity they are no different than the family law of a criminal groups and if found contradictory to server rules the server rules will have preference.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 11, 2010, 11:05:25 am
ok, so what do police enforce? if they are not the laws that players must abide by, then what is?

I've asked for bill of rights/ constitution to be made in courts, you are a judge, i've seen you hardly active in the forum, you could help create the law / documents.


For freecops, me, my groups, we don't class Self defence as a crime, arpd jail the people that hand them selves in and have no choice, usually because they are dm'd out of the blue.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 11:07:11 am
I've asked for bill of rights/ constitution to be made in courts, you are a judge, i've seen you hardly active in the forum, you could help create the law / documents.


For freecops, me, my groups, we don't class Self defence as a crime, arpd jail the people that hand them selves in and have no choice, usually because they are dm'd out of the blue.
Killing ins self defense is a crime.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: rJCaiG on May 11, 2010, 11:07:32 am
I've asked for bill of rights/ constitution to be made in courts, you are a judge, i've seen you hardly active in the forum, you could help create the law / documents.


For freecops, me, my groups, we don't class Self defence as a crime, arpd jail the people that hand them selves in and have no choice, usually because they are dm'd out of the blue.
Before you decide to call me inactive in courts, go check every single topic and you'll see that I am personally handling at least 50% of the cases in the courts at the moment. Do not go saying bullshit about me when you do not know the shit you are bulling about.

And for the record, a constitution is in it's final stages of being created, awaiting final approval by President Gandalf.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 11, 2010, 11:11:18 am
Before you decide to call me inactive in courts, go check every single topic and you'll see that I am personally handling at least 50% of the cases in the courts at the moment. Do not go saying bullshit about me when you do not know the shit you are bulling about.

And for the record, a constitution is in it's final stages of being created, awaiting final approval by President Gandalf.

Ok, I have not been so active on courts myself, simply because It's the same old court case these days, but.

I believe the bill of rights / constitution / laws should be made with the public, with referendums and  etc.
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CBFasi:
These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.
Me: I found out something new today :P ... , people, and admins usually act as if ARPD laws  / guidelines are the official laws. It's a case of "What they don't know can't hurt them" from the ARPD.

Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 12:26:38 pm
Ok, I have not been so active on courts myself, simply because It's the same old court case these days, but.

I believe the bill of rights / constitution / laws should be made with the public, with referendums and  etc.Me: I found out something new today :P ... , people, and admins usually act as if ARPD laws  / guidelines are the official laws. It's a case of "What they don't know can't hurt them" from the ARPD.
In most cases these laws are restrictive for ARPD, however some clauses can easily lead to abuse by citizens, which is why they are not officially supported.

As for the constitution, it is being examined against the server rules and against possible misuse. This should not be done by a referendum, as players would like to add or remove things to their personal advantage.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Pandalink on May 11, 2010, 06:12:46 pm
This should not be done by a referendum, as players would like to add or remove things to their personal advantage.

Isn't that the point of referendum? :razz:
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 06:37:10 pm
Isn't that the point of referendum? :razz:
Yes it is, that is why we are a dictatorship.  :razz:
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Pandalink on May 11, 2010, 06:44:01 pm
Yes it is, that is why we are a dictatorship.  :razz:

kk ^.^
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Ben. on May 11, 2010, 07:03:49 pm
These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.

Huh? For once, Gandalf, I'm not sure if I agree...
I have been kicked by admins for heli-kill before, or Mass DM, as many admins put down as reason, so whoever crashed the helicopter and killed Giac, in theory, heli-killed (or  carkilled, whatever) so why would Giac be wrong?

Last time I checked, I'm sure that 'no Carkilling' was a rule, so i'm now confused  :S
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 07:35:13 pm
Huh? For once, Gandalf, I'm not sure if I agree...
I have been kicked by admins for heli-kill before, or Mass DM, as many admins put down as reason, so whoever crashed the helicopter and killed Giac, in theory, heli-killed (or  carkilled, whatever) so why would Giac be wrong?

Last time I checked, I'm sure that 'no Carkilling' was a rule, so i'm now confused  :S
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**Rules on Argonath SA-MP RPG**

The rules or Argonath RPG are simple. All players are expected to do role-play. Deathmatching is strictly forbidden and will be punished by kick or ban.

For each skin there is a basic role, but players are free to use their imagination.
The idea is that we all live in a corrupt country, with a lot of criminals. However that does not mean that civilians are allowed to use their weapons at any time. If they are shot at, do what would happen in real life: panic and run. Only cops are allowed to shoot back , but even for cops there are limits.

- NO CHEATS, NO MODS, NO HACKS;
- NO HELIKILLING, NO CARKILLING, NO RAMMING, NO CARJACKING;
- NO GLITCHES, that give you advantage over other players (attacking from glitched areas);
- NO PAUSING WHEN COMBAT, WANTED;- NO REVENGE KILLING;
- NO FLOOD THE CHAT WINDOW;
- NO SPAM (advertisment of other servers and sites, that do not belong to Argonath RPG server is NOT allowed);
- NO FLAME/INSULT players. If you came to play on our server - respect it and our players;
- NO ATTACKING WITHOUT A PROPER REASON;
- NO ESCAPING WHEN SURRENDERED (follow cops to the police department);
- FOR ONE CHASE CRIMINAL CAN CHANGE ONLY 5 CARS. Fight or surrender;
- POLICE VEHICLES ARE ONLY FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS;
- MILITARY VEHICLES ARE ONLY FOR ARGONATH ARMY TEAM;
- NO MONEY CHEATING (punishment: permban);
- IMPOSTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED (no any copying other players' nicks or regular clans' tags);
- SLANG IS ALLOWED ONLY AS A PART OF ROLEPLAY (swearing as personal attack on players will be punished);
- NICKS WITH THE UNREADABLE LETTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED (Please refrain from using <>?/|\{}[]()-=+/*- due to the server's RPG script commands)
These are the rules. Read them, we will question you on them tomorrow and see if anything has been understood.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Jubin on May 11, 2010, 07:42:33 pm
Gandalf, it says in the rules that self-defense is allowed only if you are a cop.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 07:55:33 pm
Gandalf, it says in the rules that self-defense is allowed only if you are a cop.
For citizens that is correct.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Drastic on May 11, 2010, 08:01:47 pm
I hate to say this but my opinion is that Argonath is beggining to be a cop server.Its my opinion so no big deal about it.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 08:06:21 pm
I hate to say this but my opinion is that Argonath is beggining to be a cop server.Its my opinion so no big deal about it.
I guess that you wish it to be a criminal server.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Jubin on May 11, 2010, 08:12:51 pm
For citizens that is correct.
How to make a difference between a criminal and a citizen?
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 08:36:52 pm
How to make a difference between a criminal and a citizen?
Criminals break the law.  :cool:
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: TheRock on May 11, 2010, 08:40:37 pm
If argonath was becoming an cop server, there would be more advantages to cops, and less scripts for other groups... all scripts would be based on cops.. which is NOT.
Title: Re: I\\\'d like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Leon. on May 11, 2010, 10:25:31 pm
Killing ins self defense is a crime.
You've basically told everyone here that they should take a bullet in the head from an infamous criminal who has you at the gun while trying to rob you instead of taking the gun out of your holster ass and popping him, thus saving your life.

Post Merge: May 11, 2010, 10:27:26 pm
That screen was the day I told every member in that 'gangwar' not to shoot me as I was going to get weapons and leaving, and yet again, i was attacked by almost every person there. Luigi was like the only one that didn't shoot. I'm being honest and not trying to provoke or flame; but it seems Gvardia sees a blue dot, they just shoot and don't care. Even in Anelotti, I had many times where I was just about to leave because of having to be allies with Gvardia. Now, I don't have any problems with anyone in Gvardia, they're all great people and roleplayers, it just seems they're trained to shoot cops and enemies without roleplay. Repeating again, not meant to flame or provoke, but I just know someone will reply with something......
 ;)
On that situation, when the shootout ended, each and every individual member involved was spoken to.

Post Merge: May 11, 2010, 10:28:30 pm
You still fail to understand that POLICE ARE THERE TO ENFORCE THE LAWS, WHICH CAN BE PUBLICLY VIEWED HERE (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=7849.0)!!!!!

lol this was months ago, did you report it to samp@argonathrpg.com?
why moan about it here now?  :rofl:
If you weren't so illiterate, you'd realize that I was proving a point, not doing what your false interpretation of "moaning" is. Bandwagoning again, Mr. /B/rother?
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Zippie on May 11, 2010, 10:55:45 pm
I agree. Im RPing criminal and cop both. And i have asked several SAPD members to RP with criminals and they have sayed no. I havent seen any RP lately between cops and criminals. Both sides should RP shootout and other things made between cops and suspects. In shootout we all just run around and kill. You are supposed to care of your life. Im have also tried to RP with cops on my own and they sayed: OMG stop this RP, even if they had time to RP. Cops are only chasing orange dots on the map, im not saying that im not doing it but i try to RP with them if its possible.
Title: Re: I\\\'d like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 11, 2010, 11:10:03 pm
You've basically told everyone here that they should take a bullet in the head from an infamous criminal who has you at the gun while trying to rob you instead of taking the gun out of your holster ass and popping him, thus saving your life.

Not at all. that is what you make of it.
I have stated that killing in self defense is a crime. This is a very common law everywhere in the world. The punishment of the law will depend on the sutuation, which wil be made clear at the trial and investigation. A self defense where the citizen had no other choice as to kill wil be punished different as one where the citizen used unproportional violence. However still it will be a criminal trial.
Title: Re: I\\\'d like to remind my fellow players
Post by: SafetyMoose on May 11, 2010, 11:16:38 pm
Not at all. that is what you make of it.
I have stated that killing in self defense is a crime. This is a very common law everywhere in the world. The punishment of the law will depend on the sutuation, which wil be made clear at the trial and investigation. A self defense where the citizen had no other choice as to kill wil be punished different as one where the citizen used unproportional violence. However still it will be a criminal trial.

Self-defence in English law is a complete defence to all levels of assault and can be used to mitigate liability from murder to manslaughter
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Cofiliano on May 12, 2010, 04:12:54 am
The whole point of this topic that Leon/Luigi made, can be said in one sentence:

Stop using the word "RP", stop using the word "DM", less talking about who's more "leet in RP" or who's a "bigger DMer" and spend all that energy in building up your role playing.

For me it shouldn't be allowed to use the words "Dm, Dmers" or what so any, except in /report, and admin punish reason ( ban/kicked for Deathmathcing), because just like the word "moaning", its been used a lot  for everything this days.

Calling some group or a person Dmer(s), can be a worst insult, then calling them retards, f**ktards etc, and that's punishable, but not the word DM isn't.
So why letting it be used so much which can insult so badly ?

(And now Gandalf is probably gonna explain us, or show us from "owners give answer topic" how it is, in which I don't doubt, but then again people and admins needs  a memory refreshment in that case  :D  )
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on May 12, 2010, 05:50:13 am
maybe a stupid suggestion: A new rule stating you can't chase orange dots? It reduces the 'omg cops and robbers' shit. SASD uses this as if we chase an orange dot, we get punished ect. I think it'd be a goo idea.  :m4:
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: rJCaiG on May 12, 2010, 08:00:49 am
Criminals break the law.  :cool:
what law? I thought SAPD law wasn't a set of laws for civilians to follow?
I'm not aware of any other set of laws, so which ones are you talking about?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: JDC on May 12, 2010, 08:23:11 am
I await the new constitution eagerly. :evil:

maybe a stupid suggestion: A new rule stating you can't chase orange dots? It reduces the 'omg cops and robbers' shit. SASD uses this as if we chase an orange dot, we get punished ect. I think it'd be a goo idea.  :m4:

Such a rule will basically invalidate the foremost of the police's major functions: neutralizing threats to the state and citizenry.
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Gandalf on May 12, 2010, 11:50:14 am
what law? I thought SAPD law wasn't a set of laws for civilians to follow?
I'm not aware of any other set of laws, so which ones are you talking about?!?!?!?!
Imaginary laws. :D
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Nexxt on May 12, 2010, 11:54:40 am
Imaginary laws. :D

I'll imagine my own law then...
"No females driving, if so you will be suspected and jailed for 180 seconds"
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: rJCaiG on May 12, 2010, 01:06:35 pm
Imaginary laws. :D
That's what I thought ;)
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Jimmy_Bowling on May 12, 2010, 01:17:16 pm
Here is what I have realized, The Group Gvardia does not Dm Per-say. They just role play a group that gets shot at a lot. Some of the Gvardia Mobsteres are OK but the Actions of the few affect the masses. So... ya Idk why im saying this Im at school bored as hell..
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Vince on May 12, 2010, 01:17:47 pm
what law? I thought SAPD law wasn't a set of laws for civilians to follow?
I'm not aware of any other set of laws, so which ones are you talking about?!?!?!?!

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Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: rJCaiG on May 12, 2010, 02:52:17 pm
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http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=54695.msg765204#msg765204 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=54695.msg765204#msg765204)
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Drastic on May 12, 2010, 05:37:56 pm
I guess that you wish it to be a criminal server.
50/50 server  :lol:
Title: Re: I\\\'d like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Leon. on May 12, 2010, 11:39:20 pm
Here is what I have realized, The Group Gvardia does not Dm Per-say. They just role play a group that gets shot at a lot. Some of the Gvardia Mobsteres are OK but the Actions of the few affect the masses. So... ya Idk why im saying this Im at school bored as hell..
*claps hands*
Thank you. You're among the few to realize this.

Post Merge: May 12, 2010, 11:41:04 pm
The main point that I'd like to reiterate is that the member does not represent the group. Even a leader may not represent a group if there is more than one. For example, if I had a nervous breakdown and unfortunately came ingame and begun deathmatching, that should reflect badly on me - not on Araatus.
If a single member, or a small group, does something wrong, the group leader can deal with it, and kicks will come if necessary. If the leaders refuse to kick, consider it them condoning what was done and act accordingly from there - but only if they refuse to deal with it. This is the same philosophy the group war system is based upon.
BAZINGA

Post Merge: May 12, 2010, 11:41:46 pm
The whole point of this topic that Leon/Luigi made, can be said in one sentence:

Stop using the word "RP", stop using the word "DM", less talking about who's more "leet in RP" or who's a "bigger DMer" and spend all that energy in building up your role playing.

For me it shouldn't be allowed to use the words "Dm, Dmers" or what so any, except in /report, and admin punish reason ( ban/kicked for Deathmathcing), because just like the word "moaning", its been used a lot  for everything this days.

Calling some group or a person Dmer(s), can be a worst insult, then calling them retards, f**ktards etc, and that's punishable, but not the word DM isn't.
So why letting it be used so much which can insult so badly ?

(And now Gandalf is probably gonna explain us, or show us from "owners give answer topic" how it is, in which I don't doubt, but then again people and admins needs  a memory refreshment in that case  :D  )
BAZINGA AS WELL
Title: Re: I'd like to remind my fellow players
Post by: Ben. on June 19, 2010, 01:05:05 pm
For me, at least, the rules are quite unclear. For example I had no idea that you couldn't aid a friend - or ally - if you weren't suspected or there previously yourself.

And this hate between ARPD and criminal groups has to stop, seriously. It's a game, just get along and stop moaning every goddamn second.

I know I'm bumping an old topic, but I found this quite interesting. I did not know, either, about this rule, because common sense would have told me that if you recognise a member of your family, you would help them out of trouble, instead of stopping to think, there's a rule saying I can't help a /su'ed member of my family escape, even though I recognise them as my own and want to help them.

I know Argonath isn't RL, but when we RP, we make it like real-life, no matter what anybody says. In RL, if someone was beeting up a member of your gang, logically, you would help them, which is what people do on Argonath.

It is a different matter if it is someone random, who you have never RP'ed with, as you have no reason to help them, but if you recognise them as your family member (RP) then surely you would help them?
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