"Gvardia | SA:MP Best Criminal Group 2009" - says it all.The Best Criminal Group 2009 would DM and ruin their reputation for the lulz, apparently.
We have provided our players with a basic set of simple rules. They allow a very large freedom of different styles, which is not equalled on any other server.Are you accusing Gvardia of
In return we ask our players to respect each other. This seems to become a big problem lately, as the differences between groups and roles are becoming more intensive and the disrespect between these groups seems to grow.
With the loss of respect will come a larger focus on maintaining the rules, as if players can not handle them selves and each other with respect, it is up to us to make them. Now many players seem to be unaware that we have topics with regard to our interpretation of the rules running for a very long time, and that these were created so that players will know our position on the rules in case of any kind of enforcement needed.
Recently a number of groups seem to have forgotten that ropleplay is not getting suspected and having a shootout, then creating a gangwar and having a shootout, because of that being wanted and having a shootout etc.
While the interaction between cops and criminals, and the interaction between criminals them selves, is a big part of GTA, and also a big part of the roleplay, that does not mean that every situation must end in shooting and killing.
In fact that is what should be avoided unless absolutely needed.
The banning of yesterday had nothing to do with Gvardia as group. With groups forgetting basic rules, it could have been any other group caught in the same situation, and it is not unthinkable that very soon other groups will be caught for making the same mistake.
We allow violence and shooting between cops and criminals, or criminals between them selves. However we do not allow Team DM, straight DM or attempts to create this. This is the reason why in the past we have limited the ability to assist wanted players to those directly involved in the play and minor help in fleeing by family members. We might not always have strictly enforced this, but that does not mean it was ever changed.
If you feel at any times uncertain about what is and what is not allowed, read the topic where you can ask the developers. If you can not find the answer there, ask us. That will be much better as suddenly finding yourself banned for something you never bothered to think about being disallowed.
Recently a number of groups seem to have forgotten that ropleplay is not getting suspected and having a shootout, then creating a gangwar and having a shootout, because of that being wanted and having a shootout etc.
While the interaction between cops and criminals, and the interaction between criminals them selves, is a big part of GTA, and also a big part of the roleplay, that does not mean that every situation must end in shooting and killing.
In fact that is what should be avoided unless absolutely needed.
I think some are over hyping the current thing.That drop in large scale gang activity is going to sharply rise over the past few weeks, months, or maybe even years, due to a recent event that I cannot share information about.
I've noticed little provocation or such acts which mikro / Gandalf / louis speak of.
I've seen criminals well behaved in terms of rules, i've seen a rise in cops dming though.
I've seen a lot of provocation towards Gvardia in the past from rogue cops. I've seen actually a drop in large scale gang activity. Rise although on Paruni from Argonath Gangs comming there and dming.
I've seen criminals well behaved in terms of rules, i've seen a rise in cops dming though.So i'm not the only one, good. And of course once some of those 'rogue cops' you speak of find this topic, it will be locked due to the flaming that will happen.
I've seen a lot of provocation towards Gvardia in the past from rogue cops.
Calling Gvardia DMers is like calling ARPD DMers, or even FBI or SWAT dmers.
One of those rogue cops happens to be Giac.
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Helicopters exploding are every day situations, and everyone laughs at it, even the crasher themselves, but this time was.... whoa.
You still fail to understand that POLICE ARE THERE TO ENFORCE THE LAWS, WHICH CAN BE PUBLICLY VIEWED HERE (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=7849.0)!!!!!These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.
These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.ok, so what do police enforce? if they are not the laws that players must abide by, then what is?
These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.
ok, so what do police enforce? if they are not the laws that players must abide by, then what is?These laws are the interpretation of ARPD and guide how trained ARPD officers are to judge and react to situations. As for validity they are no different than the family law of a criminal groups and if found contradictory to server rules the server rules will have preference.
ok, so what do police enforce? if they are not the laws that players must abide by, then what is?
I've asked for bill of rights/ constitution to be made in courts, you are a judge, i've seen you hardly active in the forum, you could help create the law / documents.Killing ins self defense is a crime.
For freecops, me, my groups, we don't class Self defence as a crime, arpd jail the people that hand them selves in and have no choice, usually because they are dm'd out of the blue.
I've asked for bill of rights/ constitution to be made in courts, you are a judge, i've seen you hardly active in the forum, you could help create the law / documents.Before you decide to call me inactive in courts, go check every single topic and you'll see that I am personally handling at least 50% of the cases in the courts at the moment. Do not go saying bullshit about me when you do not know the shit you are bulling about.
For freecops, me, my groups, we don't class Self defence as a crime, arpd jail the people that hand them selves in and have no choice, usually because they are dm'd out of the blue.
Before you decide to call me inactive in courts, go check every single topic and you'll see that I am personally handling at least 50% of the cases in the courts at the moment. Do not go saying bullshit about me when you do not know the shit you are bulling about.
And for the record, a constitution is in it's final stages of being created, awaiting final approval by President Gandalf.
CBFasi:Me: I found out something new today :P ... , people, and admins usually act as if ARPD laws / guidelines are the official laws. It's a case of "What they don't know can't hurt them" from the ARPD.
These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.
Ok, I have not been so active on courts myself, simply because It's the same old court case these days, but.In most cases these laws are restrictive for ARPD, however some clauses can easily lead to abuse by citizens, which is why they are not officially supported.
I believe the bill of rights / constitution / laws should be made with the public, with referendums and etc.Me: I found out something new today :P ... , people, and admins usually act as if ARPD laws / guidelines are the official laws. It's a case of "What they don't know can't hurt them" from the ARPD.
This should not be done by a referendum, as players would like to add or remove things to their personal advantage.
Isn't that the point of referendum? :razz:Yes it is, that is why we are a dictatorship. :razz:
Yes it is, that is why we are a dictatorship. :razz:
These laws are NOT official but only ARPD guidelines. Remember that.
Huh? For once, Gandalf, I'm not sure if I agree...
I have been kicked by admins for heli-kill before, or Mass DM, as many admins put down as reason, so whoever crashed the helicopter and killed Giac, in theory, heli-killed (or carkilled, whatever) so why would Giac be wrong?
Last time I checked, I'm sure that 'no Carkilling' was a rule, so i'm now confused :S
These are the rules. Read them, we will question you on them tomorrow and see if anything has been understood.**Rules on Argonath SA-MP RPG**
The rules or Argonath RPG are simple. All players are expected to do role-play. Deathmatching is strictly forbidden and will be punished by kick or ban.
For each skin there is a basic role, but players are free to use their imagination.
The idea is that we all live in a corrupt country, with a lot of criminals. However that does not mean that civilians are allowed to use their weapons at any time. If they are shot at, do what would happen in real life: panic and run. Only cops are allowed to shoot back , but even for cops there are limits.
- NO CHEATS, NO MODS, NO HACKS;
- NO HELIKILLING, NO CARKILLING, NO RAMMING, NO CARJACKING;
- NO GLITCHES, that give you advantage over other players (attacking from glitched areas);
- NO PAUSING WHEN COMBAT, WANTED;- NO REVENGE KILLING;
- NO FLOOD THE CHAT WINDOW;
- NO SPAM (advertisment of other servers and sites, that do not belong to Argonath RPG server is NOT allowed);
- NO FLAME/INSULT players. If you came to play on our server - respect it and our players;
- NO ATTACKING WITHOUT A PROPER REASON;
- NO ESCAPING WHEN SURRENDERED (follow cops to the police department);
- FOR ONE CHASE CRIMINAL CAN CHANGE ONLY 5 CARS. Fight or surrender;
- POLICE VEHICLES ARE ONLY FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS;
- MILITARY VEHICLES ARE ONLY FOR ARGONATH ARMY TEAM;
- NO MONEY CHEATING (punishment: permban);
- IMPOSTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED (no any copying other players' nicks or regular clans' tags);
- SLANG IS ALLOWED ONLY AS A PART OF ROLEPLAY (swearing as personal attack on players will be punished);
- NICKS WITH THE UNREADABLE LETTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED (Please refrain from using <>?/|\{}[]()-=+/*- due to the server's RPG script commands)
Gandalf, it says in the rules that self-defense is allowed only if you are a cop.For citizens that is correct.
I hate to say this but my opinion is that Argonath is beggining to be a cop server.Its my opinion so no big deal about it.I guess that you wish it to be a criminal server.
For citizens that is correct.How to make a difference between a criminal and a citizen?
How to make a difference between a criminal and a citizen?Criminals break the law. :cool:
Killing ins self defense is a crime.You've basically told everyone here that they should take a bullet in the head from an infamous criminal who has you at the gun while trying to rob you instead of taking the gun out of your
That screen was the day I told every member in that 'gangwar' not to shoot me as I was going to get weapons and leaving, and yet again, i was attacked by almost every person there. Luigi was like the only one that didn't shoot. I'm being honest and not trying to provoke or flame; but it seems Gvardia sees a blue dot, they just shoot and don't care. Even in Anelotti, I had many times where I was just about to leave because of having to be allies with Gvardia. Now, I don't have any problems with anyone in Gvardia, they're all great people and roleplayers, it just seems they're trained to shoot cops and enemies without roleplay. Repeating again, not meant to flame or provoke, but I just know someone will reply with something......On that situation, when the shootout ended, each and every individual member involved was spoken to.
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You still fail to understand that POLICE ARE THERE TO ENFORCE THE LAWS, WHICH CAN BE PUBLICLY VIEWED HERE (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=7849.0)!!!!!If you weren't so illiterate, you'd realize that I was proving a point, not doing what your false interpretation of "moaning" is. Bandwagoning again, Mr. /B/rother?
lol this was months ago, did you report it to samp@argonathrpg.com?
why moan about it here now? :rofl:
You've basically told everyone here that they should take a bullet in the head from an infamous criminal who has you at the gun while trying to rob you instead of taking the gun out of yourNot at all. that is what you make of it.holsterass and popping him, thus saving your life.
Not at all. that is what you make of it.
I have stated that killing in self defense is a crime. This is a very common law everywhere in the world. The punishment of the law will depend on the sutuation, which wil be made clear at the trial and investigation. A self defense where the citizen had no other choice as to kill wil be punished different as one where the citizen used unproportional violence. However still it will be a criminal trial.
Criminals break the law. :cool:what law? I thought SAPD law wasn't a set of laws for civilians to follow?
maybe a stupid suggestion: A new rule stating you can't chase orange dots? It reduces the 'omg cops and robbers' shit. SASD uses this as if we chase an orange dot, we get punished ect. I think it'd be a goo idea. :m4:
what law? I thought SAPD law wasn't a set of laws for civilians to follow?Imaginary laws. :D
I'm not aware of any other set of laws, so which ones are you talking about?!?!?!?!
Imaginary laws. :D
Imaginary laws. :DThat's what I thought ;)
what law? I thought SAPD law wasn't a set of laws for civilians to follow?
I'm not aware of any other set of laws, so which ones are you talking about?!?!?!?!
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I guess that you wish it to be a criminal server.50/50 server :lol:
Here is what I have realized, The Group Gvardia does not Dm Per-say. They just role play a group that gets shot at a lot. Some of the Gvardia Mobsteres are OK but the Actions of the few affect the masses. So... ya Idk why im saying this Im at school bored as hell..*claps hands*
The main point that I'd like to reiterate is that the member does not represent the group. Even a leader may not represent a group if there is more than one. For example, if I had a nervous breakdown and unfortunately came ingame and begun deathmatching, that should reflect badly on me - not on Araatus.BAZINGA
If a single member, or a small group, does something wrong, the group leader can deal with it, and kicks will come if necessary. If the leaders refuse to kick, consider it them condoning what was done and act accordingly from there - but only if they refuse to deal with it. This is the same philosophy the group war system is based upon.
The whole point of this topic that Leon/Luigi made, can be said in one sentence:BAZINGA AS WELL
Stop using the word "RP", stop using the word "DM", less talking about who's more "leet in RP" or who's a "bigger DMer" and spend all that energy in building up your role playing.
For me it shouldn't be allowed to use the words "Dm, Dmers" or what so any, except in /report, and admin punish reason ( ban/kicked for Deathmathcing), because just like the word "moaning", its been used a lot for everything this days.
Calling some group or a person Dmer(s), can be a worst insult, then calling them retards, f**ktards etc, and that's punishable, but not the word DM isn't.
So why letting it be used so much which can insult so badly ?
(And now Gandalf is probably gonna explain us, or show us from "owners give answer topic" how it is, in which I don't doubt, but then again people and admins needs a memory refreshment in that case :D )
For me, at least, the rules are quite unclear. For example I had no idea that you couldn't aid a friend - or ally - if you weren't suspected or there previously yourself.
And this hate between ARPD and criminal groups has to stop, seriously. It's a game, just get along and stop moaning every goddamn second.