Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: CBFasi on May 11, 2010, 11:35:18 am
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I actually had an idea the other day, its its the sort of thing that makes sense when you step back.
Cops will be really bored without criminals...
Criminals will not even be criminals without cops...
You see its straight forward... we need each other.
So all it takes is simple things that I am pretty sure that only a few players actually think about (and often they are players that have played both sides)..
Work together for RP sake to be on different sides....
Support each other.
Be less reactive and more RP..
Your right most criminals groups appear to be what they are not, but there are members who do seem to operate extremely close to the edge of allowed conduct/rules.
Most players are here to have fun... WHY does that fun have to come at the expense of others fun, is it not more enjoyable to have fun WITH others ?
yes Criminal groups get accused of DM, even by me.... but think of these little facts.
Being a criminal does not give you the right to kills cops.
Being a cop does NOT mean you have to kill every criminal you see.
If we wanted to turn this into a dm server unfortunatly it would take very very little, as its the appearance we sometimes get..
Over reaction is the most often route to combat situations (them sitautions that are often reported as dm)
The other day I had a perfect situation that actually showed some restraint on both sides...
Its was the day that Leone was after a DPD guy and almost all of SAPD went on the defensive..
We had reports of a code purple at i9 motel, so I reasponded (alone).
Turned up at motel uc skin but made badge show, walked in and there was LOADS of players inside, drug dealing etc. While I walked in I had no weapons drawn, but the players did and kept them aimed at me, I was allowed to walk in, then someone did a 911 call while I was in saying they had kidnapped the chief, so I casually walked out to the door and did /exit (ok tip, if you say you kidnaped someone at least ensure you actually restrained them.....).
So what is so special about this one incident..
1. I did not suspect for having guns drawn.
2. They did not shoot instantly at a cop even though they knew they was breaking the law.
So what does this mean in the end...
really simple..
Do not over react.
There is one area where many say we do overreact, and that admins.
My simple thought process.
Hacker - dont care, they are gone, no excuse... they are told on entry do not hack or cheat.
Regulars - heavy reaction, they have been here long enough to know the rules, no excuse...
New players - reduced reaction, let them know the rules... then react heavily if they do not listen...
Do I overreact at times, yes...
Do I feel bad about it.... check ts, often YES
Do I try to resolve it... YES
There are occasions where I have been that annoyed I just banned, and within 15 minutes UNBANNED the same player.
When I left school in 93 at first I thought great, no school, nore more learning..... I was wrong.
Humans are constantly learning, and even you guys who playe here must not forget this.
It is better to look back and learn from over reaction and mistakes and improve than ignore. To admit that over reaction or mistake to others means you have recognized that issue, and should be able to learn from it.
I am almost 35 and I have LOTS to learn, we all have, it never stops, so stop bad guying and moaning, admit mistakes, learn...
If we do not learn then we might as well be cavemen....
(just how did mankind learn fire was dangerous, they got burnt, but we learnt it was dangerous...)
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Finally someone with brains to put up something like this =]
Great Job CBF i hope this will encourage the players.
*claps*
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/me claps
Well said... Cops state Criminals DM.. and vice versa.
I was present to the situation at the hotel, which was at Wilson hotel in ganton ;P
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Excellent piece of work right there CBF, hope this opens the eyes of many people. Especially the leaders of those great groups, such as the ARPD, Gvardia, Corleone, Araatus.. blabla.. etc.
No, I am not saying I am an angel. My former reputation will plead against that.. but it's the large groups that can convince the individuals to change the server back into a FUN server.
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Thats well said CBF, the point about reactive, some criminals acts before thinking when around cops.
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All..
I joined this server a while ago to find a way to relax and have fun with others, as many know in the last few months its been less fun and definately less relaxing.
Now is it my fault ? maybe.
Is it just my fault ? definately not.
WE as a server need to be more relaxed, more 'it does not really matter who wins/losses' attitude, WE need to have fun... WE need to relax.
The real world is bad enough, please do not replicate it in server to that degree..
Its not that we need less rules, its actually we need less reasons to need them rules/guideance...
Any admin whill know just how often in european evenings we get reports of dmers etc, just why in early mornings do we get less.... its the players, relax, just have fun with each other.
Someone attacks you... look for a good way to react, dont flame, and sometimes it does not mean shootign back.. running can be fun, I actually did this other day, yes cop chased by crims! and I lost but is was damn fun! and both sides enjoyed it.
Yes cops get free weapons, but its still damn annoying to loose them so I carry less, and will actively protect myself in running and calling for backup!
If I fail and die, well I failed, time to carry on, should I moan ? ... why ? the game is still on, I am still able to play, its not the end of the world..
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Back when I was in Corleone, those PD bomb threats are often criticized, but it brings something new and fun... I hope :devroll:
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Well said CBF, i hope others will read and take in what you wrote.
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Really, really, really well said CBF!! This is what we need. Being more relaxed and respect for all players!
*claps with the others*
Owh, and I am not going to write my whole opinion, which is actually the same as CBF's, for the third time. I just posted it in some other topics.. :D
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remember players.... WE fail if you feel worse logging off than logging on...
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I'd LOVE to RP more with cops, but the fact of the matter is that cops only want you to /gu, or else they'll shoot you.
New cops run around shooting suspects that are idle, not fighting etc. Veteran cops also do this.
I'm afraid of cops, I dont know who of em will be cool and RP with me, or put their gun up my face and scream "/GU NAO!".
First of all.
1. If you want to improve relations between criminals and cops, remove the 100$ reward for killing criminals. This will reduce the amount of cops running around murdering criminals all the fucking time.
2. Remove the 600$ reward for jailing. This will reduce the amount of "/GU NAO" where there is no option for RP. You either /gu or you get shot.
-Cop work should be about roleplay, not making money.
3. We ALL need to start respecting eachother, not screaming "Owned/Pwned" when we win a firefight, this goes for both criminals and cops.
4. The fact that cops got this "We can just rambo all we want, we can return anyway" attitude needs to disappear, a good way to do this is to make cops lose money when they die. Like it is with criminals.
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That is well said and definitely true. Hope people would consider this :)
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Interesting comments from an ex cop...
And yes I have been thinking about what can be done in scripts, but the problems is not the scripts to be honest, its ourselves, its all of us players....
Scripts do not makes us dm, do not make us want for money...
If they did then why am I not like that ??
its US, the players that make these things, script are a tool for RP, its how we use them tools!
RL analogy
A knife is a tool, does having a knife mean your going to kill someone?
If so then every cook is a killer!
Every doctor is a killer...
Every murderer is a killer...
Is it the tool or the person?
Actually is how you use it, a knife can be used to cut meat, prepare food for eating, to safe lives in operations, but also to kill.
Its the person not the tool thats important...
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Interesting comments from an ex cop...
And yes I have been thinking about what can be done in scripts, but the problems is not the scripts to be honest, its ourselves, its all of us players....
Scripts do not makes us dm, do not make us want for money...
If they did then why am I not like that ??
its US, the players that make these things, script are a tool for RP, its how we use them tools!
RL analogy
A knife is a tool, does having a knife mean your going to kill someone?
If so then every cook is a killer!
Every doctor is a killer...
Every murderer is a killer...
Is it the tool or the person?
Actually is how you use it, a knife can be used to cut meat, prepare food for eating, to safe lives in operations, but also to kill.
Its the person not the tool thats important...
Exactly, there is a movie quote: Guns do not kill people, people kill people. :)
So yea if there is something wrong. It is our fault not the scripts'.
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1. If you want to improve relations between criminals and cops, remove the 100$ reward for killing criminals. This will reduce the amount of cops running around murdering criminals all the f**king time.
2. Remove the 600$ reward for jailing. This will reduce the amount of "/GU NAO" where there is no option for RP. You either /gu or you get shot.
-Cop work should be about roleplay, not making money.
3. We ALL need to start respecting eachother, not screaming "Owned/Pwned" when we win a firefight, this goes for both criminals and cops.
4. The fact that cops got this "We can just rambo all we want, we can return anyway" attitude needs to disappear, a good way to do this is to make cops lose money when they die. Like it is with criminals.
Except point 3, everything here is wrong.
What about you make criminals earn 5k whenever they kill a cop? While cops won't earn 600$ for jailing, 100$ for killing, and will lose 1k on death. Cool.
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Can everybody please stop creating another cops vs criminals topic ?
It is exactly the opposite of what CBFASI is trying to say here.
Alan you talk that you have no idea which co will kill and which cop will not. How about if YOU treat every cop with the same respect and friendly attitude and find out ? It will not take you more than one day to know which cops will and which will not interact with you.
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Indeed, Cops, Criminals it isnt all what Argonath is about.. There are other things to do.. there are aliens, bartenders, bikers, clowns, taxi drivers, criminals yeah! but not with getting a gun and looking for any simple reason to use.. So point of all; there should no such thing called Cops Vs Criminals in Argonath. Hope you guys stop the non-sence ideas, and enough with these topics.. let it fade away! We do not want it anymore.
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Alan you talk that you have no idea which co will kill and which cop will not. How about if YOU treat every cop with the same respect and friendly attitude and find out ? It will not take you more than one day to know which cops will and which will not interact with you.
To be honest, it's not only to "show respect". I've done it a few times, being calm, trying to roleplay myself out of the situation, and then got killed over it. I PM him and writing something like "Yo, that was unnecessary, I didn't do any harm" for example. I usually get the answer "Yeah sorry, but I can't trust criminals, everyone is just shooting". So the issue remains, either way you want to look at it.
Then we have Pancher, Vince, Aksel etc who's very friendly and I do love to roleplay with them, because I know there's something behind every action. It's not usually bang bang.
But yes, we should all get along, since there's no need to fight like we do over nothing, basically.
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just come in free time and be something you are not IRL in argo and have fun thats all this is about be friends
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Can everybody please stop creating another cops vs criminals topic ?
Can this be a forum rule? I'm getting close to breaking down.
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WE need to relax.
About 10 DPD units were just at DPD relaxing, stunting, mucking around, having a good time, not worrying about any criminals, other cops, or anything else...
We were stunting and filming for our upcoming movie (coming out 2010 :cop:)...
Maybe you guys should take a page out of our book? :D
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When I'm on Park Ranger Patrol, there is a gang in Angel Pine that I RP with, I don't usuaally carry weapons and know that I will probably die, but I still go along with the RP because I hope they will do the same in return. It all works out well
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I wonder how an opposite day would look like. so those who are cops will be a criminal for a day and criminals would be cops.
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Awsome insight you got, made me stop for a while and think about it.
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Can everybody please stop creating another cops vs criminals topic ?
It is exactly the opposite of what CBFASI is trying to say here.
With all respects, people resort to Cops and Criminals for everything these days.
It's something they know they will get mixed opinions from / know it wont be changed any time soon, and this is actually a motivation for better Argonath.
There are far too many more things on the agenda then cops and robbers.
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People are not adding all of it up.
There is a root cause for all of this, what is it? 'we' need to find out.
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With all respects, people resort to Cops and Criminals for everything these days.
It's something they know they will get mixed opinions from / know it wont be changed any time soon, and this is actually a motivation for better Argonath.
There are far too many more things on the agenda then cops and robbers.
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People are not adding all of it up.
There is a root cause for all of this, what is it? 'we' need to find out.
The cause is simple. Disrespect.
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Very well spoken CBFASI, I totally agree with you.
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remember players.... WE fail if you feel worse logging off than logging on...
Agreed, and people should not feel worse this being a game. Great topic
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I agree with CBF.
Some cops say "Sorry , I can't trust criminals". And how can we trust cops ? I sometimes try to /hail 1/2 and TRY to RP with a cop but he screams /GU NOW OR I KILL U.
Sometimes I /gu , but most of the cops fail to read the "Criminal123 has surrendered , hold your fire and cuff him" and simply keep shooting at me, They do no damage, but when someone cuffs me I get killed , I loose 1k and weaponsm and he looses $200.
It's not about the money, it's about the fun .. but you get pissed off sometimes.
We need to TRUST Eachother
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Well said, CBFasi.
I don't bother if I get killed, it's a game damnit!
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Well said, CBF.
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I'll be your friend :)
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Btw without Cops you don't have Criminals anyway couse if there is no one to Stop you from Breaking the Law how do you break the law in the first place ?? there for your not even a Criminal anymore
in Cops Case if all Criminals follow all the laws there are no Criminals anymore so how can you even call some one a Criminal ?? in other words you have NO job at all !! and some people might disagree on this but its True Speeding is against the law therfor makes you a Criminal if no one breaks the law there are No Speeders No guns No assult no Nothing in other words cops lose there job couse the are compleetly usless
So i Compleetly Agree with CB Cops and Criminals need to work togeter and not Against echother couse if you lose the Criminals Cop job gets usless if you lose the Cops why be a Criminal ?? your not breaking the law anymore anyway
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Sorry Mike, but your post makes no sense (and I'm not talking about the stray capitals).
Speeding without cops is still speeding, we can just get away with it.
We don't play as "criminals" to be "the breakers of crime".
We play as "criminals" to be "a group with an agenda".
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I agree with CBF.
Some cops say "Sorry , I can't trust criminals". And how can we trust cops ? I sometimes try to /hail 1/2 and TRY to RP with a cop but he screams /GU NOW OR I KILL U.
Sometimes I /gu , but most of the cops fail to read the "Criminal123 has surrendered , hold your fire and cuff him" and simply keep shooting at me, They do no damage, but when someone cuffs me I get killed , I loose 1k and weaponsm and he looses $200.
It's not about the money, it's about the fun .. but you get pissed off sometimes.
We need to TRUST Eachother
BIG words... Small Actions.
If it could be the opposite, problem would be solved.
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Well said, CBF. Glad you posted this. Hopefully people will actually step back and realise this is just a game, and that there's no need for all this arguing - especially considering that a vast amount of arguments and such stem from stupid things.
And honestly, the amount of stereotypes that the ARPD and criminal groups throw at eachother in contempt is just ridiculous.
Sure, well all die in shootouts, and it's extremely frustrating, but no need to flame eachother, because as I - and many others - have said: It's just a game.
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I agree with you, I really do.
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One thing I'd like to bring up is: What happened to the civilian / businessman role? Not a lot, if any, people play that anymore. Back in RS2 scripts, people had restaurants.. but they weren't just for healing when wounded. People actually came in, sat down, and ate like regular people, while waiters / waitresses served them.
And yes people could literally "pull drugs out their ass" in RS2 scripts since there was no drug scripts, but people didn't. Because they weren't greedy. They wanted to use their most important tool for entertainment - Imagination. People roleplayed having drug labs and warehouses. Cops would actually bust people for giving these non scripted drugs. This really goes to show that all you really need is /me. As CBF mentioned, scripts only support roleplay. The MOST important thing you can have is /me.
After RS3 and RS4 came out, people seemed to start loosing this important skill. They RELY on scripts for roleplay. And this is very well what caused people to start resulting to either cop or criminal. Because they believe 'it's the only way to make money'. All you need is /me. Don't get me wrong though. If you go around selling imaginative items with /me like people in RS2 did, then you won't make much, if any money. Because ONE person can't reverse this effect. We all, as a community need to realize, and accept the fact that imagination is key, as it is the main part of the developer's and owner's visions of the server.
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One thing I'd like to bring up is: What happened to the civilian / businessman role? Not a lot, if any, people play that anymore. Back in RS2 scripts, people had restaurants.. but they weren't just for healing when wounded. People actually came in, sat down, and ate like regular people, while waiters / waitresses served them.
Well at the moment they effectively disabled /ad, you have to hire someone to go around shouting everywhere in the entire place and you have to slip in underhanded advertisements into your /p messages.
But yea chase, I would like to go and sell Lasagne from the LasagneMobile.. but I will often make it very clear (with maybe one /ad and then some discussion in public, and driving in the yellow car) that I'm selling these items and drive around 20 minutes with absolutely no interest at all, when there are 120 people online. Really saps my enthusiasm. :[
And yes people could literally "pull drugs out their ass" in RS2 scripts since there was no drug scripts, but people didn't. Because they weren't greedy. They wanted to use their most important tool for entertainment - Imagination. People roleplayed having drug labs and warehouses. Cops would actually bust people for giving these non scripted drugs. This really goes to show that all you really need is /me. As CBF mentioned, scripts only support roleplay. The MOST important thing you can have is /me.
After RS3 and RS4 came out, people seemed to start loosing this important skill. They RELY on scripts for roleplay. And this is very well what caused people to start resulting to either cop or criminal. Because they believe 'it's the only way to make money'. All you need is /me. Don't get me wrong though. If you go around selling imaginative items with /me like people in RS2 did, then you won't make much, if any money. Because ONE person can't reverse this effect. We all, as a community need to realize, and accept the fact that imagination is key, as it is the main part of the developer's and owner's visions of the server.
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I'd LOVE to RP more with cops, but the fact of the matter is that cops only want you to /gu, or else they'll shoot you.
New cops run around shooting suspects that are idle, not fighting etc. Veteran cops also do this.
I'm afraid of cops, I dont know who of em will be cool and RP with me, or put their gun up my face and scream "/GU NAO!".
First of all.
1. If you want to improve relations between criminals and cops, remove the 100$ reward for killing criminals. This will reduce the amount of cops running around murdering criminals all the f**king time.
2. Remove the 600$ reward for jailing. This will reduce the amount of "/GU NAO" where there is no option for RP. You either /gu or you get shot.
-Cop work should be about roleplay, not making money.
3. We ALL need to start respecting eachother, not screaming "Owned/Pwned" when we win a firefight, this goes for both criminals and cops.
4. The fact that cops got this "We can just rambo all we want, we can return anyway" attitude needs to disappear, a good way to do this is to make cops lose money when they die. Like it is with criminals.
us cops can be very paranoid at times, we try to roleplay, we try to work it out without having you /gu or even shoot you. But most of the time in my time in SFPD I am shot with a clip full of combat shotgun when i try this. After that I learned never ever give a criminal time like that have them /gu first.
this has even happened to me when i go off duty to rp an old man. I am in my car a cop car pulls me over. So i attempt to rp but i get suspected for not complying. Then I am shot so I roleplay getting shot. The cops come up to me with spray cans aiming at me waiting for a response. In about ten seconds I am killed. Why do they do this? I can understand. They think I will pull out a gun and begin to attack. The reputation of criminals to cops has changed completely even if you are not a regular one.
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us cops can be very paranoid at times, we try to roleplay, we try to work it out without having you /gu or even shoot you. But most of the time in my time in SFPD I am shot with a clip full of combat shotgun when i try this. After that I learned never ever give a criminal time like that have them /gu first.
this has even happened to me when i go off duty to rp an old man. I am in my car a cop car pulls me over. So i attempt to rp but i get suspected for not complying. Then I am shot so I roleplay getting shot. The cops come up to me with spray cans aiming at me waiting for a response. In about ten seconds I am killed. Why do they do this? I can understand. They think I will pull out a gun and begin to attack. The reputation of criminals to cops has changed completely even if you are not a regular one.
You win a donut. This explains mine and many other cops' feelings perfectly.
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A very well said, CBF. You've been teaching us well, I hope this will affect the minds of us.
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us cops can be very paranoid at times, we try to roleplay, we try to work it out without having you /gu or even shoot you. But most of the time in my time in SFPD I am shot with a clip full of combat shotgun when i try this. After that I learned never ever give a criminal time like that have them /gu first.
this has even happened to me when i go off duty to rp an old man. I am in my car a cop car pulls me over. So i attempt to rp but i get suspected for not complying. Then I am shot so I roleplay getting shot. The cops come up to me with spray cans aiming at me waiting for a response. In about ten seconds I am killed. Why do they do this? I can understand. They think I will pull out a gun and begin to attack. The reputation of criminals to cops has changed completely even if you are not a regular one.
So really, you're blaming criminals for the possibility that they will pull a gun out of their ass and shoot you? I've talked about this subject so many times. Cops and criminals are both to blame for this. Criminals for the fact they do this and cops for never allowing criminals to RP. High ranks within the ARPD are inconclusive about this subject. Some, like GiacJr, simply don't care about the RP and thinks it's better just to avoid the possiblity and spray them to death and others like Hank Rafferty could care less if criminals would do it on him.
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It appears that both sides are moving around in a vicious circle, so to say. So why don't you put an end to the cribbing and start off. Try and rp the way you said people should rp and although it may not bring about immediate returns in the likes of lovely RP, it will help. If you die 10 times by getting 'deathmatched' ...so what? See it as a game not as 'z0mg u dm me all the time, i do the same'. Slowly but certainly, the situation will change.
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We are all big happy family,
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us cops can be very paranoid at times, we try to roleplay, we try to work it out without having you /gu or even shoot you. But most of the time in my time in SFPD I am shot with a clip full of combat shotgun when i try this. After that I learned never ever give a criminal time like that have them /gu first.
this has even happened to me when i go off duty to rp an old man. I am in my car a cop car pulls me over. So i attempt to rp but i get suspected for not complying. Then I am shot so I roleplay getting shot. The cops come up to me with spray cans aiming at me waiting for a response. In about ten seconds I am killed. Why do they do this? I can understand. They think I will pull out a gun and begin to attack. The reputation of criminals to cops has changed completely even if you are not a regular one.
But enforcing this is not a good idea, actually.
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That is grounds to have him fired, Aksel. It's been done before.
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Tommy Lings in a nutshell.
Don't even bother listening to him, Aksel.
I know you could do it better than him all times a day.
He's one of the people who really should take a look at this topic.
This is not offensive, just pure fact, after a statement like that.
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I read all the posts and would like to say this.
I can see a lot of criminals don't want to /gu and want to rp, I rp without them /gu'ing 1 problem though if i rp cuff them with /me and lead them to my car they shoot me in the back when i see that person again i am not lowering my weapon until they /gu they would of fully lost my trust and would need to work to get that back.
i have been on both sides of the fence so to speak, i was Silver Barzini and Joe Gvardia, when i was Silver Barzini i was both cop and criminal due to new to the server back in June of 2 years ago, Cofi and some other [SM] guys and hells angels all got together and combined are mafia or gang together to form Gvardia. Aftert about a year i noticed Gvardia changing a lot a lot of the old members where leaving and was left with the 4 founders of each group, one day it dawned on me that all we do is load up on combat and in 3 4 door cars fully armed and shoot down some ass or try to kidnap him, if they don't want to rp they get shot right away i didn't like that so i left Gvardia and what i see for the next week and Gvardia coming after me everyday once i log in to the server.
on my cop side i know i can trust some Gvardia to rp others (not going to name) cannot rp if there life depended on it they where recuited to DM. this is the honest truth. Would i like to go back to Gvardia yea but probly not in the near future.
In short i give all criminals a chance to rp and i rp back if they break the trust by shooting me in the back or something i will not trust them for a while unless they give me a reason to trust them.
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That is grounds to have him fired, Aksel. It's been done before.
Tommy Lings in a nutshell.
Don't even bother listening to him, Aksel.
I know you could do it better than him all times a day.
He's one of the people who really should take a look at this topic.
This is not offensive, just pure fact, after a statement like that.
I have, infact decided to go further with this, only because this may have critical consequenses for a new player on the server. Just believe what would happen if Tommy goes around saying things like this to new players.
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=34&topic=10596.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=34&topic=10596.0)
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Well my post was removed why is this? I cant speak my mind? how can I be friends with people who just delete my topics without warning, or I get banned without warning?
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Well my post was removed why is this? I cant speak my mind? how can I be friends with people who just delete my topics without warning, or I get banned without warning?
Any post that would make this topic to a cops vs criminals one was deleted.
There are already enough discussions on that subject.
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i have been on both sides of the fence so to speak, i was Silver Barzini and Joe Gvardia, when i was Silver Barzini i was both cop and criminal due to new to the server back in June of 2 years ago, Cofi and some other [SM] guys and hells angels all got together and combined are mafia or gang together to form Gvardia. Aftert about a year i noticed Gvardia changing a lot a lot of the old members where leaving and was left with the 4 founders of each group, one day it dawned on me that all we do is load up on combat and in 3 4 door cars fully armed and shoot down some ass or try to kidnap him, if they don't want to rp they get shot right away i didn't like that so i left Gvardia and what i see for the next week and Gvardia coming after me everyday once i log in to the server.
on my cop side i know i can trust some Gvardia to rp others (not going to name) cannot rp if there life depended on it they where recuited to DM. this is the honest truth. Would i like to go back to Gvardia yea but probly not in the near future.
You didn't left Gvardia, you were kicked and banned from Gvardia for lieing to us, people who helped you the most in your in game carrier, with everything.
You actually made up a story that you'll be inactive few months just so you can cover the time you spend on /duty, since back then it was strictly forbiden.
You didn't wanna leave Gvardia, you just wanted to be a cop for few weeks/months, then "freeze" your rank of a Underboss, so you can return later to it.
But you lied to us all, you scammed us by your story, while we were sad and pissed off cause of "srs real life problems" and we were trying to help you by supporting you, talking to you about it, cause of your "Irl troubles" that was made up for your "inactivity" cover up, you watched all of us and how much we cared to help you out cause of imaginary problems you made up just so you can take a break.
And the "people started to leave Gvardia", Who left? Which Important persons from Gvardia left? Some Trial people or lower ranks? Be real.
Ps-I know that this reply is definitly not placed for this topic, which is about getting back the friendship and sportsmanship, but this is the first and final time, after 7 months, that I reply on his "facts". Once again sorry to all people, who like me try's to build up the casual friendship atmosphere, but this reply was more then required.
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Interesting comments from an ex cop...
And yes I have been thinking about what can be done in scripts, but the problems is not the scripts to be honest, its ourselves, its all of us players....
Scripts do not makes us dm, do not make us want for money...
If they did then why am I not like that ??
its US, the players that make these things, script are a tool for RP, its how we use them tools!
RL analogy
A knife is a tool, does having a knife mean your going to kill someone?
If so then every cook is a killer!
Every doctor is a killer...
Every murderer is a killer...
Is it the tool or the person?
Actually is how you use it, a knife can be used to cut meat, prepare food for eating, to safe lives in operations, but also to kill.
Its the person not the tool thats important...
I cannot agree more...
Yes, we need scripts to roleplay, but not all the time..
Pure RP actually comes from no scripts. You can do anything with just /me.
Some MTA:VC players might know what I am saying.
Before blaming the boredom on the scripts, we should think about the new ways to roleplay on OURSELVES. Like the command /me, you can even use only ONE command to do many many different things to roleplay... Besides, money is not everything.. People's disposition to pursue for money decreases the actual quality of RPs they do... Less money = worse RP... This is a WRONG equation.
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Maybe it's the players fault but all players have not same considerings and that is why we need script. So everyone can go after something. Some people can't go after a straight line of freedom but some does. That is why these scripts is up..
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1 phrase - When you're not in the mood of RP or you're tired, then /q and get some sleep or go outside, no need to ruin other people's mood.
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Funny happened in first CBF post style happened today. There was a huge call-out about a possible gang-war so I went into server to help me mates. Basicaly we followed the cops on the ground, ready to bring in some backup, while they tracked the gang members.
Basicaly not only did no one shot, no one got suspected, but we were also thanked im PM for helping to avoid DM and massacre .... Did we have fun? Yes. Did we bitched a bit because nothing happened? Yes, a bit, because it monopolized almost all law enforcement members. But were we happy to not have a shootout? Yes
Was I happy as manager not to have to give bans and warns and report groups? You BET I was!
All of this because cops decided to speak in, not point their guns and the members of the gangs, they did the same. So it ended up in a very pacific manner and no moaning, no flaming, just people going their way feeling everything went well. There was no winner, there was no looser, there was only some people roleplaying with their friends.
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very nice speech i admire it do you study pcycology ? xD
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Cops have more power than they know to create good roleplay.
/su is a very dangerous command that can obliterate most chances of RP. It puts criminals in a very threatened position so they can give up or fight. If they try to RP, cops can shoot them to speed things up. If they were not /su they are always more willing to go along and RP with you.
My recommendation to cops is that you only /su if they are shooting or running! (Actually I had a really funny RP foot chase once!) Use /su only if you think that you will be FORCED to kill the suspect. Because even if you take them to jail as non su it will still generate more RP, and they will also be more willing to pay fines etc.
My experience as a criminal, is that most of the time if you RP rather than shoot you can get a lot more fun out of it. Apart from when you get those cops who will want to jail you no matter what, because criminals are only points to them.
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Well said, jcstodds.
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Cops have more power than they know to create good roleplay.
/su is a very dangerous command that can obliterate most chances of RP. It puts criminals in a very threatened position so they can give up or fight. If they try to RP, cops can shoot them to speed things up. If they were not /su they are always more willing to go along and RP with you.
My recommendation to cops is that you only /su if they are shooting or running! (Actually I had a really funny RP foot chase once!) Use /su only if you think that you will be FORCED to kill the suspect. Because even if you take them to jail as non su it will still generate more RP, and they will also be more willing to pay fines etc.
My experience as a criminal, is that most of the time if you RP rather than shoot you can get a lot more fun out of it. Apart from when you get those cops who will want to jail you no matter what, because criminals are only points to them.
I mostly agree with you, however you forget that criminals actually have the option to run as well nowadays.
However the practice to use /su and then ask for unsuspect if the suspect pays a traffic fine is one that I would like to see removed. For me this is using the /su command as force to extract money from criminals.
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very nice speech i admire it do you study pcycology ? xD
I do not, but maybe I should of done when I was younger.
Its just how I think..
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People's disposition to pursue for money decreases the actual quality of RPs they do... Less money = worse RP... This is a WRONG equation.
In the case of moneyhungry players it's 'less money = more rp', because they feel they have to step up their game.
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'less money = more rp'
Actually it's "less NEED for money = more rp".
Example: Having not enough money is not a problem on MTA:VC because you've got everything for free actually and you use money only for role-play purposes. Weapons and health are free, death doesn't cost anything. Money's not needed there, it doesn't decrease the gameplay at all.
While in SAMP the gameplay is much more dependant on money. Without it you can't buy guns, can't buy health, can't re-fuel for your cars, can't buy new skins, etc.
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Cops have more power than they know to create good roleplay.
/su is a very dangerous command that can obliterate most chances of RP. It puts criminals in a very threatened position so they can give up or fight. If they try to RP, cops can shoot them to speed things up. If they were not /su they are always more willing to go along and RP with you.
My recommendation to cops is that you only /su if they are shooting or running! (Actually I had a really funny RP foot chase once!) Use /su only if you think that you will be FORCED to kill the suspect. Because even if you take them to jail as non su it will still generate more RP, and they will also be more willing to pay fines etc.
My experience as a criminal, is that most of the time if you RP rather than shoot you can get a lot more fun out of it. Apart from when you get those cops who will want to jail you no matter what, because criminals are only points to them.
Oh lord this. o=
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Thanks for posting this man this makes me realise a few things... I guess i have been over-reacting extremely.. And thats the main reason i am usually temp-banned for Flaming. But i think if i get unbanned now, I will be a new player. I will be lucky to even get a 2nd chance. But thanks again for this..
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War- Why can't We be friends? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc#)
Remember, were all people sitting at a computer playing a video game. When it comes down to that, no one is higher then anyone else.
Just have fun ^_^
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Indeed, threat the other player not as stupid game characters, but as a human who is behind that character, who is playing the game.
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LOL, Nice song dude..
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Nice one CBF :D