Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Jcstodds on May 21, 2010, 03:52:51 pm
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I would just like to highlight the community to my anger at the absolutely disgraceful decision to disallow the use of /carpaint on police vehicles.
By removing this privilege:
Does this solve any problems?
Does this improve the quality or quantity of RP?
Does it allow new RP?
These questions I believe are the basis for all considerations on scripts before implementation. I do not know why this happened as I would answer NO to all 3 of those questions.
Some of you may know why I am angry about this but rather than explain, many have witnessed my actions for themselves ingame regarding the /carpaint.
So if you still want to disallow /carpaint for public access vehicles, please allow me to buy my own police vehicles so I can paint them what I want.
I would like to apologise if there is a similar topic elsewhere. I probably haven't searched hard enough if there is.
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Seriously, why?
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This really is bullshit.
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What? We can't paint police cars anymore? :conf:
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F.B.I bad guyed because people were roleplaying F.B.I from Black medic ranchers.
F.B.I don't want to be roleplayed, even if it's a roleplay impersonation.
Now who's selfish?
Thanks, you just ruined it for the rest of us.
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FBI, I TOLD YOU MULTIPLE TIMES TO REPORT ON THE FORUM IF SOME MEDICAL PERSONEL ABUSED THE RANCHERS, BUT DO YOU LISTEN? NO.
This is bullshit, in my opinion. Looks like we can't have any more Immigration Patrol roleplay, Jcstodds...
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Now I can't /carpaint 6 6 on police cars and say that I'm using taxi camouflage :(
Restrict it only to fed Ranchers (disallow doing /carpaint ONLY on fed cars), not to all vehicles.
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This is not good.
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If this is the doing of FBI (who already stopped anyone else from RPing FBI and this is now 'accepted') then that is pure selfishness.
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Anyone should be free to roleplay impersonating FBI, I don't even see why F.B.I ranchers are restricted in the first place.
Stop being so fucking selfish.
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Seriously, why can't FBI just ROLEPLAY?
I would love to see them roleplaying, as I obviously never did.
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Anyone should be free to roleplay impersonating FBI, I don't even see why F.B.I ranchers are restricted in the first place.
Stop being so f**king selfish.
Seriously, why can't FBI just ROLEPLAY?
I would love to see them roleplaying, as I obviously never did.
Totaly agreed.
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Guys do not assume this is the doing of FBI as there is no evidence. The problem here lies with whoever put this into practice. :trust:
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Erhm - I am pretty sure it is.
After they moaned in /p recently about EMS painting it black.
While I just suspect them for it and roleplay it.
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I agree, there was a very stupid move from the developers to remove the /carpaint command for emergency vehicles. I doesn't bring any more roleplay it just make it worse. And I also agree a bit with Nexxt too!
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Firstly; This is a post about painting cars, not for you lot to cry like little girls about FBI
Secondly; FBI are restricted, because the developers said so, Fernando and Chase didnt script it, did they? for something to come on the server, the Developers have to agree with it.
I'm a criminal on the server 24/7, and I'm sticking up for the damn FBI here, if this post didnt have all this "boo fucking hoo, im not accepted into fbi and have to cry about it every night before i go to bed" horseshit, i'd gladly say I agree, but now, I just feel like the community has dropped a mile if you are crying about being unable to impersonate FBI.
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Guys do not assume this is the doing of FBI as there is no evidence. The problem here lies with whoever put this into practice. :trust:
F.B.I are the only ones who bitched about this, and it was done due to Medics painting Medic ranchers black... I can assure you of that.
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if this is the decission, might aswell dissalow freecops to drive copcars, since ARPD uses them to...
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if this is the decission, might aswell dissalow freecops to drive copcars, since ARPD uses them to...
+1
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if this is the decission, might aswell dissalow freecops to drive copcars, since ARPD uses them to...
Chuck, you know fine well this is nothing like what this post is about.
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David Omid Was Ingame Yesterday ,
and people were wining in main chat
"omg medic's are painting the ranchers black"
davids reply " and? what do you want me to do? its not script abuse. just /su for impersonating"
i think that says it all, just because of people moaning people, they have now disallowed this,
come on , you know it makes you laugh when you see a pink PD car,
and seriously guys if you cant tell the difference between a PINK NAMED PERSON driving a black car, and a BLUE NAMED PERSON in a black rancher, there must be something wrong with you,
people who moan , are just getting on everyone's nerves, why cant you just be happy for once and get on with THE GAME thats what its about,
Just be happy god dammit for what we have been given here , and bloody thank David , CBF and the rest of the team for scripting this for us ,
rant over, I completely agree with JCS on this one,
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I would also like to add;
The FBI is a group of players, much like any other player on the server, would you like it if Fernando came on and started flaming all of you for bullshit reasons.
The majority of the members are Veteran players who have done a lot for the server,
Have some damn respect.
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"omg medic's are painting the ranchers black"
davids reply " and? what do you want me to do? its not script abuse. just /su for impersonating"
i think that says it all, just because of people moaning people, they have now disallowed this,
Admins started saying it was punishable by kicks/tempbans even though David clearly stated that it was suspectable as it's a ROLEPLAY REASON.
TheRock is the main example, He constantly claimed admin punishment was valid for this.
I would also like to add;
The FBI is a group of players, much like any other player on the server, would you like it if Fernando came on and started flaming all of you for bullshit reasons.
The majority of the members are Veteran players who have done a lot for the server,
Have some damn respect.
I wouldn't bitch because someone else used a black stafford to impersonate an Ancelotti, I'd send my goons to beat the shit out of them.
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Remove FBI instead, state vehicle /carpaint is more useful. :poke:
Anyhoo, I also don't want people roleplaying a different yakuza so please ensure that only we can use Araatus Green and only we can have the asian skins. Cheers!
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T_T
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Remove FBI instead, state vehicle /carpaint is more useful. :poke:
lolwin
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I wouldn't bad guy because someone else used a black stafford to impersonate an Ancelotti, I'd send my goons to beat the shit out of them.
That still doesnt change the severe lack of respect for other players that is in abundence right now.
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Remove FBI instead, state vehicle /carpaint is more useful. :poke:
haha, true!
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That still doesnt change the severe lack of respect for other players that is in abundence right now.
If you win the lottery then people are going to be jealous that you got loads of stuff without doing anything worthwhile to earn it.
Apply this to the situation we're discussing.
And magically, you understand!
:o
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If you win the lottery then people are going to be jealous that you got loads of stuff without doing anything worthwhile to earn it.
Apply this to the situation we're discussing.
And magically, you understand!
:o
I understand that there is a mass breakdown of respect due to jelousy.
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now , this is absolutely in no way meant to be offensive towards admins, or anyone in that matter,
but admins , all of them , need to get clear , on certain things, not to go off topic , but like the /ad situation
some say its punishable as script abuse if you dont use it, some say it isnt , they need to get one story and stick to it ....
thats my opinion
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The restriction to /carpaint was scripted and added by me. Why? Well here's the story...
A long time ago CBFASI gave red unrestricted FBI Ranchers to firemen as they are very useful. The problem was that civilians (in this case, people with white names) and non-FBI police units would steal these FBI Ranchers, paint them black and then impersonate FBI.
The FBI complained (as they would, these people were giving them a bad name and image as sometimes it was convincing that these people were actually official FBI members), which caused a lot of controversy among players and administration.
Nobody knew if this was against the rules or just suspectable.
CBFASI removed the red FBI Ranchers and said that they will not be added again unless the fireman vehicles are added to the lock system.
Recently, due to popular demand, I added the fireman and medic vehicles to the lock system so that only fireman and medics can use them. I therefore was able to add a lot more vehicles for them as they can't be stolen by everyone. Some of these vehicles were red fireman and blue and white paramedic FBI Ranchers.
What happened?
People went on fireman or paramedic duty, took a federal rancher, painted it black, impersonated FBI, causing FBI to complain to administration again.
I originally told FBI members to suspect all people who impersonate them but they weren't satisfied with this advice as to them, this is like impersonating an individual player, which is against the rules.
I talked to Gandalf about this and he suggested that administration should deal with these situations but if no administrators were online, only then should FBI suspect them. He then suggested that I made some restrictions.
What sort of restrictions were suggested?
Well Gandalf suggested that I made a /banfireman and /banmedic JUST to stop people from using the FBI Ranchers, which I was not going to do as there is no way I am going to increase the amount of "OMG admins ban player XXX from duty".
When I told Gandalf this he said "it's better to ban them from duty than from the server :)" so I came up with another idea.
The idea was to restrict /carpaint, he agreed and so did other members of administration.
Some might ask why I restricted all public service vehicles and not just the FBI Ranchers, well my response to that is that the exact same thing can be done for other vehicles like Raindances, and I would rather not add individual vehicles to the system every time we add new ones which can be abused, plus the fact that now everyone can fully understand that abusing our systems is serious and will be dealt with severely.
/carpaint will not be returning for public service vehicles, although at some point in the future there may be an alternative...
If you have any complaints about this decision then by all means report me to [email protected] but please keep in mind that I am only following orders
Locked
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First of all I would like to add that David is one of our most active members on the scripting team.
However as far as judgement on misuse of scripts goes he does not have any say, this rests with the developers and leaders. There for the first mistake that people made lies in requesting ruling from David instead of from the developers.
Next I personally regret having the /carpaint restricted. However if people go on medic or firemen duty not to play medic or fireman, but to impersonate the FBI ranchers, we have two options. Either ban them from the server, or make sure they can not use it.
Now it seems that people take this as it not being allowed to impersonate FBI agents, which is untrue. What is not allowed is to impersonate the vehicles, as these vehicles are for restricted duty.
Actually this is a disadvantage for the FBI if they would look at it carefully.
As nobody on server can drive a black Rancher, the only person driving it will be the FBI, meaning anyone driving will be noticed as FBI agent.
I re-opened the topic so that the original poster and others can contribute ideas on how to bring back the painting while still being able to fight misuse of scripted ranchers.
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Let the flame / moan war commence!
I can smell it coming...
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I think /carpaint should come back for all vehicles. I never wanted it to be gone. People should be free to use it.
And about those comments about the FBI, I am seriously almost: :cry: :cry:
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Restrict it for medic & Fire vehicles but allow it for police vehicles?...
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Wanted to post something, but Giac had an even better idea...
I hope your install fails Giac :devroll:
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Then unallow this for FBI Ranchers! People can't use cop cars to RP immigration patrol etc.
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Thank you for re opening the topic Gandalf. Although it was you and possibly some others who allowed this to happen, I am sad to think he would even suggest such a thing and hence the initial resentment.
As I understand the abuse comes from the following things:
- Medics painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Firemen painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Same thing happening with raindance helis.
- Same thing happening with SWAT colours.
Is this the very core of this abuse?
And the bottom line is that SAPD has nothing to do with this abuse yet has the most members and most influence, and therefore receives the largest impact.
Before I put forward any of my suggestions I just want to clarify the above so I actually know what the hell is going on!
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Giac, you might have a good way to solving this. I agree.
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NPS cant paint our PD cars green enymore :(
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Thank you for re opening the topic Gandalf. Although it was you and possibly some others who allowed this to happen, I am sad to think he would even suggest such a thing and hence the initial resentment.
As I understand the abuse comes from the following things:
- Medics painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Firemen painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Same thing happening with raindance helis.
- Same thing happening with SWAT colours.
Is this the very core of this abuse?
And the bottom line is that SAPD has nothing to do with this abuse yet has the most members and most influence, and therefore receives the largest impact.
Before I put forward any of my suggestions I just want to clarify the above so I actually know what the hell is going on!
This is indeed correct.
Regarding suggestions that may seem simple, understand that for the script to recognize a certain car model (Rancher) is more complicated as to recognize a certain group (official cars) due to the construction of scripts.
A simple looking solution is not always simple.
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It's not that hard, example script...
new PaintingCar;
new UnallowedModel1;
PaintingCar = GetPlayerVehicleID(playerid);
UnallowedModel1 = 490;
if(GetVehicleModel(PaintingCar) == 490)
{
SendClientMessage(playerid,COLOR,"This vehicle can't be painted due abuzing ppl >:(");
return 1;
}else{
//Painting code goes here!
}
This is a script I made in 1 mins D:
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NPS cant paint our PD cars green enymore :(
You mean DPD's Angel Pine cars that you borrow.
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I'd like to let everyone know that the FBI intended to ONLY restrict painting FD and EMS ranchers FBI-Black(0,0). We did not want it to affect police cars, ambulances, firetrucks, and other emergency vehicles from getting painted. The restriction to ALL emergency vehicles was developers decision only.
If you wanted to 'roleplay' impersonating FBI, then sorry, blame it on the people who moaned constantly when we suspected them for impersonation. If people didn't moan after being suspected for impersonating federal agents, then we probably wouldn't have requested the restriction.
So really, all else I have to say here is: Abuse it, you loose it.
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Originally we dealt with the problem by suspecting the people that were impersonating the FBI with Black Ranchers.
However the usual response after being suspected was to claim abuse of police powers. Apart from that we were called abusers and the people that were impersonating us kept moaning that the crime was invalid. I personally heard arguments saying that if the command inst restricted then they can paint their Rancher whatever color they want.
To blame this on FBI is ridiculous, if there is someone responsible for this then that's the people that yelled abuse when they were suspected after impersonating the FBI.
The sad part about this restriction is cops being unable to paint their cars.
And to clarify to some people, we are also affected because now we can't paint our black premiers for undercover work.
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My scripts checks only FBI Rancher and is editable by making UnallowedModel2,3,4...
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My scripts checks only FBI Rancher and is editable by making UnallowedModel2,3,4...
The devs know how to script. Don't show the scripting part as they can possible make it better as they are familiar with there script.
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It is even lame to paint the cars black.. If you get what i mean.
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More RP ruined. It's fun to RP FBI, but now, you can't.
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More RP ruined. It's fun to RP FBI, but now, you can't.
Have you ever heard about applying?
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It's not that hard, example script...
new PaintingCar;
new UnallowedModel1;
PaintingCar = GetPlayerVehicleID(playerid);
UnallowedModel1 = 490;
if(GetVehicleModel(PaintingCar) == 490)
{
SendClientMessage(playerid,COLOR,"This vehicle can't be painted due abuzing ppl >:(");
return 1;
}else{
//Painting code goes here!
}
This is a script I made in 1 mins D:
It shows, as the script is very inefficient. :lol:
As I said it looks simple but you do not know how we construct things. :razz:
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Yeah ;) but I can use it in my server :D
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Yeah ;) but I can use it in my server :D
Yup, however to script for a server with 10 players is different as we know from testing. :razz:
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You say it's easier to disable it for certain groups, amirite?
Well den, disable it for medics and firemen.
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Just remove the goddamn FBi ranchers from the medics + firemens. JESUS
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lol why do you need to change paint of PD car lol for IMS PATROLE IMIGRATION PATROLE SUGEST ON IDEAS the cars for imsp there dude !!!
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My idea.
Well, okay, I have no clue if this will work, but obviously the developers know if this could work or not;
My proposal to stop this impersonation is;
To let EVERY /carpaint ID allowed, EXCEPT 0 (Black)
Why?
Well, this could stop the FBI Rancher impersonation, and satisfy other players who role-play official/unofficial sub-division groups. E.g. Immigrant patrol.
And if im not mistaken, government vehicles cannot use the transfenders etc, so they would not be able to convert the colours that way.
If this idea is possible, please consider it.
-Fawkes
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It has everything to do with FBI. If FBI were not so uptight about their skins and cars then there would be no such problem. Of course people can RP FBI as civilians, but not as law enforcement. This is what it boils down to no matter what. Everyone tolerates this, it has become accepted over time. I have disagreed with it forever, however since I would rarely RP FBI anyway I don't really care about it. Some people like to RP FBI, but are ridiculed and distrusted as they have to take on civilian skin. (Remember UC and civilian FBI skins are relatively new since FBI started).
People being suspected for impersonating FBI. This is fair enough (so long as the appropriate RP was involved). Then they moan for being suspected and crying about abuse. This I believe is very wrong and I agree with El Boricua on this - this might be one of the main causes, but it definitely does concern the way FBI operates within Argonath. It was always gonna happen - and now it has - the point where someone wants to RP FBI without being official but cannot due to the restrictions caused by the official FBI.
To blame this on FBI is ridiculous, if there is someone responsible for this then that's the people that yelled abuse when they were suspected after impersonating the FBI.
All we wanted was to restrict painting EMS and FD from being painted FBI and SWAT colors. But the developers decided to make it affect all.
No one is saying you did this on purpose, but this issue has arose directly from FBI not wanting to share. The damage has already done. If you were to allow FBI (and SWAT) skins to all cops, for the first 3 weeks you will have millions of agents and SWAT guys running around and all would be chaotic. Eventually though it would normalise similar to RS1 where the people who wanted to RP FBI and SWAT would do so, and everyone else will get bored and RP what they usually do.
If FBI did not moan about people pretending to be FBI vehicles, scripters would never have to even do this. They did it for FBI sake only because you didn't like the moans from what I have read. Quite right that you don't want people wrongly calling you abusers... but really... do you need script support to stop something so minor?!
Ok so let's look at the problem at hand:
- Medics painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Firemen painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Same thing happening with raindance helis.
- Same thing happening with SWAT colours.
So medics and firemen have been 'abusing' /carpaint so they look like FBI. I do not think this is abuse and don't see why it is a big deal. Abuse is giving players unfair advantage right? Well I don't see how this is giving any (unfair) advantage if loads of medics are getting /su'ed for impersonating FBI, nor do I think being able to drive an FBI rancher as an unfair advantage in itself. Being able to RP the same role, or drive the same vehicle as anyone else would just be plane old 'fair' to me. (Yes I know there are further implications than that, I'm just entertaining the thought). Anyway so here goes.
Obvious suggestions:
- Disallow /carpaint on SWAT/ FBI vehicles (scripted)
Or
- Medics and firemen have 'abused' vehicles for other RP so take them off them. If they are medic or firemen they should take on that role (or similar) or make use of civilian skin options (E.g. use civ skins to be crazy doctor, use medic skin to sell organs, fireman skin for stripper or whatever as long as it is relevant for the skin).
- Allow official police groups to support colour coded police groups (would require more script work than any other and I do not recommend but is option)
- Just undo the whole thing and let FBI and admins handle the "im abused!" moaners like they should do. By ignoring them and allowing to solve through RP. E.g. I bet they would not shout abuse if an FBI agent pulled them over and said "Wanna be real FBI? Patrol with me and see what it's like and make application if you like it"
Less obvious suggestions with deep implications that I will probably get shouted at for even suggesting.
- Open SWAT and FBI freecop equivalent skins. Sure you will have lots of Agents and Operatives for the first week or so but same happened with firemen and anything new. Have some vehicles reserved for official guys (they have HQ's anyway) and just add a few for the freecops. Then I can also use the Enforcer for Immigration Patrol etc :D. This will solve tension in the long run and allow more diverse RP. Remember there will always be abuser freecops no matter what the skin.
Since I have wrote this much I might have forgotten what I originally intended to write. There may be more suggestions. :cop:
One thing I will add is that scripters and management listen to moaners these days and get depressed (and who would blame them?). They try hardest to make it right and add new stuff and more people moan and complain. Unfortunately this is probably one of those things and I'm sorry if this causes unnecessary work or stress, but I firmly believe that this is a step in the wrong direction and whilst it helps few it neglects the mass majority.
Thanks if you read this far.
Jcstodds
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My idea.
Well, okay, I have no clue if this will work, but obviously the developers know if this could work or not;
My proposal to stop this impersonation is;
To let EVERY /carpaint ID allowed, EXCEPT 0 (Black)
Why?
Well, this could stop the FBI Rancher impersonation, and satisfy other players who role-play official/unofficial sub-division groups. E.g. Immigrant patrol.
And if im not mistaken, government vehicles cannot use the transfenders etc, so they would not be able to convert the colours that way.
If this idea is possible, please consider it.
-Fawkes
Or this, as I think some ID's can be removed for certain vehicles, if not, then I am mistaken with the idea, as I don't know whether it works, or not.
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After the next script restart /carpaint will only be restricted to Federal Ranchers
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So you're saying carpaint will be allowed to all cars except FBI rancher? :conf:
Or carpaint will be allowed only to Federal rancher?
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It has everything to do with FBI. If FBI were not so uptight about their skins and cars then there would be no such problem. Of course people can RP FBI as civilians, but not as law enforcement. This is what it boils down to no matter what. Everyone tolerates this, it has become accepted over time. I have disagreed with it forever, however since I would rarely RP FBI anyway I don't really care about it. Some people like to RP FBI, but are ridiculed and distrusted as they have to take on civilian skin. (Remember UC and civilian FBI skins are relatively new since FBI started).
Anyone that wants to become part of the FBI have the opportunity to apply.
It was always gonna happen - and now it has - the point where someone wants to RP FBI without being official but cannot due to the restrictions caused by the official FBI.
The main reason for FBI to be restricted is to assure that investigations are conducted fairly without any influence from the criminal world.
If people want to impersonate FBI then they should know that there will be "rp" consequences.
No one is saying you did this on purpose, but this issue has arose directly from FBI not wanting to share. The damage has already done. If you were to allow FBI (and SWAT) skins to all cops, for the first 3 weeks you will have millions of agents and SWAT guys running around and all would be chaotic. Eventually though it would normalise similar to RS1 where the people who wanted to RP FBI and SWAT would do so, and everyone else will get bored and RP what they usually do.
Not wanting to share is quite a wrong description. FBI have no problem with other groups using the FBI Rancher.
For example, Swat have FBI ranchers since months ago but they never tried to impersonate us.
If you propose for FBI not to be restricted, then I propose that all criminals groups should be unrestricted.
That way I rp a Corleone today and next day I'll be a Gvardia and so on.
If FBI did not moan about people pretending to be FBI vehicles, scripters would never have to even do this. They did it for FBI sake only because you didn't like the moans from what I have read. Quite right that you don't want people wrongly calling you abusers... but really... do you need script support to stop something so minor?!
You are calling the FBI group moaners. May you provide evidence of our moaning regarding the situation?
We merely reported the situation to developers, because we were being called abusers constantly by enforcing the law.
I consider that it was not tolerable for us to receive the moaning from those paramedics/medics that couldn't accept the rp consequences of their actions.
Maybe people should learn to accept the consequence of their "rp" actions instead of constantly moaning and calling us abusers because we arrested them for impersonating the FBI. I don't see any wrong action from our side, and I don't see why we should tolerate any bullshit from people moaning that we were abusing.
So I consider that we did the right thing by reporting to developers. Or it would have been better to argue back and provoke a flame war? Or maybe come to the forums to flame and moan like many others?
Developers considered this as their best solution for the moment. And yes FBI also got affected because as I said earlier, we cannot paint our black premiers anymore.
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DISREGARD THIS POST I SUCK COCKS
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This discussion no longer has to continue as you can now use /carpaint in all vehicles except Federal Ranchers
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I'd like to let everyone know that the FBI intended to ONLY restrict painting FD and EMS ranchers FBI-Black(0,0). We did not want it to affect police cars, ambulances, firetrucks, and other emergency vehicles from getting painted. The restriction to ALL emergency vehicles was developers decision only.
Are you ****** or what ? I dont care about your ranchers and your color black, what you think FBI is popular because they have their own jackets and their cars and some hq ? srsly but i dont care about FBI, and about the question are you ****** or what ? when someone drive the rancher (black one ) the driver is (medic or fireman ) you cant distinguish their color names if they are MEDIC or FIREMAN or FBI.
One my advice , if you cant distinguish the colors there are also glasses to help you.
( And i know that i will receive an warring for this but i am only honest and i dont asslicking just telling the truth )
Please watch your language, Tai
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Its okay that you guys give your opinions and else, but cant you just low down the volume a little bit? Cant you just have an argument without having to flame the other person, even if you disagree with someone.
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If I may say a word...
*Loud applaud*
OMG ITS THE KING SLASH FREECOP CHIEF
Eh? And now your word? :trust: :neutral:
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I agree with Curse too !! Go FREECOP CHIEF :)
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I don't understand why you say we don't RP.
We use hours to set up cases, write reports and a lot more
just to get a RP scene that may a few minutes.
Think..
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All you did there curse is showed that you never deserved to be in the FBI in the past.
We had scripters permission to suspect anyone in a black medical rancher, and arrest them for impersonating a federal agent.
You want evidence of that too? Sure, a screenshot of the PM David sent to Fernando will do.
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/435/firefox004.jpg)
We don't need to provide evidence when we arrest you for driving a black rancher.... because you were driving a black rancher. If you don't think its a law... Ask an admin or high rank chief. Fernando was one of them that arrested you. He's FBI director and knows the laws. Jaaskaa is a judge and assistant director. If we are unsure of a law, we ask Jaaskaa before suspecting. We did that too.
If there was to be 'free federal agents' duty, then scripters would make it. Don't use scripts for what they're not intended to do.
You can go ahead and criticize the FBI, but carpaint on all the emergency ranchers are restricted now. So honestly we don't give a f*ck about your criticism because you might as well criticize developers for scripting the restriction too. But we don't care. Criticize FBI, but not developers, because you know that criticizing developers will only result to you getting punished. I can tell you right now that people who leave are always welcome back.... if they stay out of trouble. But as said, you've shown that you never deserved to even step in the FBI suit, and you never will from now on.
Don't wanna get arrested? Don't interfere with our arrests or you will be just as guilty as the suspect.
Go ahead and keep criticizing me and the FBI. It will end up with no response from me, Fernando, or Jaaskaa. Instead, it will be printed off, used as toilet paper, and flushed, as that's where all criticism, especially yours, belongs.
:ps: Freecop not Freeagent or whatever.
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Eh? And now your word? :trust: :neutral:
actually accidently posted that post early :P.
If I may say a word...
[Loudapplause]
OMG ITS THE KING SLASH FREECOP CHIEF [NP]InfernalCurse.
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Ty Ty.
Ty, ty ,ty. Yes, ty, ty ty, ty. Ok, now lets get down to business.
The FBI's selfish + blatant disregard for the community is to blame.
I held a lengthy investigation of a medic who painted his EMS rancher black.
Mr FBI Agent Louis constantly disrespected me, and did not provide any evidence or valid items of why he could not paint his rancher Black.
I was apart of the FBI, I got a ribbon for excellent service, I had to leave for personal / health reasons, and was not accepted back.
The FBI has changed from what it used to be, there are leaders of the FBI who have let some of there members think they are rulers, they've disrespected many, and still get away with it.
Now to why this silly action should just be undone, and some views for consideration.
- ArgonathRPG is a liberal RP community, thus people should be allowed to RP what they want, as the FBI is a well known, world over organisation, the "Official" FBI should not discourage people from rping the role.
- It upsets a lot of people; are there more upset people now then the moaners before the action was taken?
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I agree 100% with Chuck. Deny Freecops from using Police vehicles, because the ARPD uses them also.
Although I did not see at first why EMS needed Federal ranchers, I do not see why they should not be allowed to paint them what ever colour they want.
I remember from the FBI procedures, it states something like: "The FBI uses Federal Ranchers coloured to blend in with the surrounding", so really, they should not stick to there dull black, but should actually rp being secretive.
Anyone that wants to become part of the FBI have the opportunity to apply.
Hi Fernado, dont see you much on these forums.
That's bullshit. Anyone who leaves the FBI for any reason whatsoever will be expected and not welcomed to join back. It's complete and utter crap.
If you think all other groups should be unrestricted, start from FBI, there was a newbie who didn't know there would be "serious rp consequences" for rping FBI , he rp'd it, and was shot dead. Bravo.
BTW.
I wish to know what Gandalf has to say regarding the matter.
The FBI has said continuously they've received orders from the Government regarding Suspection of people who paint FBI ranchers black.
Here is the evidence of them continuously saying so in the investigation I held, which is still on going, but they've still yet to give the evidence / proper recording.
http://img442.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=samp259i.png (http://img442.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=samp259i.png)
All you did there curse is showed that you never deserved to be in the FBI in the past.
We had scripters permission to suspect anyone in a black medical rancher, and arrest them for impersonating a federal agent.
You want evidence of that too? Sure, a screenshot of the PM David sent to Fernando will do.
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/435/firefox004.jpg)
We don't need to provide evidence when we arrest you for driving a black rancher.... because you were driving a black rancher. If you don't think its a law... Ask an admin or high rank chief. Fernando was one of them that arrested you. He's FBI director and knows the laws. Jaaskaa is a judge and assistant director. If we are unsure of a law, we ask Jaaskaa before suspecting. We did that too.
If there was to be 'free federal agents' duty, then scripters would make it. Don't use scripts for what they're not intended to do.
You can go ahead and criticize the FBI, but carpaint on all the emergency ranchers are restricted now. So honestly we don't give a f*ck about your criticism because you might as well criticize developers for scripting the restriction too. But we don't care. Criticize FBI, but not developers, because you know that criticizing developers will only result to you getting punished. I can tell you right now that people who leave are always welcome back.... if they stay out of trouble. But as said, you've shown that you never deserved to even step in the FBI suit, and you never will from now on.
Don't wanna get arrested? Don't interfere with our arrests or you will be just as guilty as the suspect.
Go ahead and keep criticizing me and the FBI. It will end up with no response from me, Fernando, or Jaaskaa. Instead, it will be printed off, used as toilet paper, and flushed, as that's where all criticism, especially yours, belongs.
:ps: Freecop not Freeagent or whatever.
Total bull crap sir.
IF driving a black FBI rancher is il-legal, then so should Premier, because FBI uses that too, and oh the rain-dance aswell.
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Thanks for the extra toilet paper.
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actually accidently posted that post early :P.
If I may say a word...
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OMG ITS THE KING SLASH FREECOP CHIEF [NP]InfernalCurse.
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Ty Ty.
Ty, ty ,ty. Yes, ty, ty ty, ty. Ok, now lets get down to business.
The FBI's selfish + blatant disregard for the community is to blame.
I held a lengthy investigation of a medic who painted his EMS rancher black.
Mr FBI Agent Louis constantly disrespected me, and did not provide any evidence or valid items of why he could not paint his rancher Black.
I was apart of the FBI, I got a ribbon for excellent service, I had to leave for personal / health reasons, and was not accepted back.
The FBI has changed from what it used to be, there are leaders of the FBI who have let some of there members think they are rulers, they've disrespected many, and still get away with it.
Now to why this silly action should just be undone, and some views for consideration.
- ArgonathRPG is a liberal RP community, thus people should be allowed to RP what they want, as the FBI is a well known, world over organisation, the "Official" FBI should not discourage people from rping the role.
- It upsets a lot of people; are there more upset people now then the moaners before the action was taken?
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I agree 100% with Chuck. Deny Freecops from using Police vehicles, because the ARPD uses them also.
Although I did not see at first why EMS needed Federal ranchers, I do not see why they should not be allowed to paint them what ever colour they want.
I remember from the FBI procedures, it states something like: "The FBI uses Federal Ranchers coloured to blend in with the surrounding", so really, they should not stick to there dull black, but should actually rp being secretive.
Hi Fernado, dont see you much on these forums.
That's bullshit. Anyone who leaves the FBI for any reason whatsoever will be expected and not welcomed to join back. It's complete and utter crap.
If you think all other groups should be unrestricted, start from FBI, there was a newbie who didn't know there would be "serious rp consequences" for rping FBI , he rp'd it, and was shot dead. Bravo.
BTW.
I wish to know what Gandalf has to say regarding the matter.
The FBI has said continuously they've received orders from the Government regarding Suspection of people who paint FBI ranchers black.
Here is the evidence of them continuously saying so in the investigation I held, which is still on going, but they've still yet to give the evidence / proper recording.
http://img442.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=samp259i.png (http://img442.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=samp259i.png)
Total bull crap sir.
IF driving a black FBI rancher is il-legal, then so should Premier, because FBI uses that too, and oh the rain-dance aswell.
Regarding that incident. Since you want the public to see.. then I won't oppose.
I will post the Official FBI response to a complaint filled by Piginawig regarding the same situations about FBI Ranchers.
Official Statement
First of all, it is known that in the State of San Andreas the only agency that uses Ranchers painted black is the FBI. The FBI Ranchers of medics, firefighters and swat are painted a different color for reason.
Moreover we've been receiving constant reports of some personnel of the EMS painting their Ranchers Black and claiming to be FBI agents. By the single fact that you are trying to appear as one of the official government agencies it establishes a crime of impersonation. If you don't represent an agency then don't try to look like it, or you will get in trouble.
To my understanding to tolerate such immature and irresponsible behavior of people that dare to impersonate us is a lack of respect. And all the weight of the law must fall on them. What do you pretend of us, to take no action and let anyone break the law by impersonating us?
To prove this point here..
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/435/firefox004.jpg)
I was then taken down to the Los Santos Police Station for investigation. Officer Curse investigated me and found me to be innocent due to lack of evidence. However, Agent Louis soon showed up and said I would not be getting an unsuspect.
Officer Curse acted very irresponsibly and made an irresponsible investigation by not listening to any of the allegations made by the FBI. Instead he decided to try and go his own way. The question should be.. why he was protecting you? How can an officer find someone innocent after the suspect admits the crime?
Agent Fernando had claimed several times I had admitted to the crime, although I never had.
Later, while exercising my freedom of speech, I was almost dragged out of the seat I was in by the FBI agents.
If you are taking a complaint here, then you should be honest. Instead you come here bringing false accusations against us when we were merely doing our work. And then you try to call us liars.. Well, then explain this:
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1802/ev1.png)
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9607/ev2.png)
You claimed above that you never admitted, but as shown in the picture you did admitted it.
This is the Officer Curse reaction when we try to explain our reasons. Totally non-cooperative behavior, when it's obvious that we had to be there because we were closely involved with the case.
Basically he tried to expel us from the LSPD so he could do whatever he wanted. What he did was not an attempt to find the truth, but instead he used his position to advance his agenda.
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6426/ev3.png)
As shown in screenshots above the suspect admitted his crime. But then he changes his version..
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4317/ev5.png)
This is a clear contradiction in the version of the suspect. Yet officer Curse continued with his hidden agenda and ignored all the signals of lies from the suspect. He refused to make a fair and responsible investigation.
Once again he confirms his intentions, he was determined to protect the suspect by Obstructing the Justice.
And stating that he will be the only one to make a decision, blatantly ignoring all the claims made by us.
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1975/ev6.png)
Thanks to the cooperation of an off duty officer we were able to uncover a conspiracy made by Curse. He intended to use this civilian to kill an agent of the FBI during this process. He even offered money to the officer in exchange for the job. This will reveal who is the real Curse, and it might explain why he behaved in favor of covering a criminal. By going as far as wanting people death just to achieve his objectives.
See by yourself
(http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt353/Alivairus/sa-mp-298.png)
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Gandalf left this topic open so that a solution can be met between the players
A solution has already been met and this topic has moved to nothing but a pointless argument
/carpaint is now only restricted so that it can't be used in Federal Ranchers, no more discussion is needed as everyone is happy!
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DISREGARD THIS POST I SUCK COCKS
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IF I wanted Louis dead, I'd of made a hit contract. :lol:
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I love how, even though there is a ton of proof on here, that this was the decision of Gandalf and David, there are still people like curse crying about the FBI.
Really, get over yourself.
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Wasnt this solved D:
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A good solution was made for this..
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That's bullshit. Anyone who leaves the FBI for any reason whatsoever will be expected and not welcomed to join back. It's complete and utter crap.
Actually, may people have left and rejoined FBI. I was even FIRED from the FBI and got re-accepted.
If they don't want you back there must be a reason.
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Please lock this topic. A solution has been given even if the problem lies deeper within.