Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: TugaPower on May 26, 2010, 06:04:35 pm
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If I was a manager I would test a little bit more the /dice system, many people say it's ''cheatable'' like if you do /dice to fast you'll probably get the same numbers. I would want a large scale test on /dice. Example: 20mil /dice and note how much 1's/2's/3's/4's etc. I'm convinced that this isn't well tested, maybe I just don't have luck. It would be awesome if you'd test it. Casinos are growing too much, dealers have more probably to win, but if they now a way to cheat on /dice that wouldn't be fair to players.
Regards, and thank you for your time.
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/dice is scripted to export a random number each time it's used, I highly doubt it does export the same number if it's used 2 times a second.. or so.
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Was casino right now, and you lost your cash.... You already blamed him for /dice'ing too fast... Now it's managers fault? :lol:
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Was casino right now, and you lost your cash.... You already blamed him for /dice'ing too fast... Now it's managers fault? :lol:
Hi Mr.B.Abuser. I didn't ask you anything. Did I say managers had a fault? I'm asking them to do a test on /dice at large scale, just that. If you (managers) had already done this.. I just want your voice here managers ;)
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Hi Mr.B.Abuser. I didn't ask you anything. Did I say managers had a fault? I'm asking them to do a test on /dice at large scale, just that. If you (managers) had already done this.. I just want your voice here managers ;)
You may test it yourself. I'm sure there is no mistake.
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Cheating with /dice is close to impossible
I would like to point out also that by gambling with a player you are doing so at your own risk. If you lose your money and believe a player is cheating, let the courts decide who's right.
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Some people are capable of timing it right, atleast it seems like that.
People who are capable of that are often the ones that do a lot of advertisements to announce their casino is open (no offence).
And if you want to test it, go sit in a corner alone. /dice 5 times, note down the numbers and then do it 5 times again. To avoid getting kicked by Jeffrey.
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Last time we offered 10 million for anyone who cold successfully prove to cheat the dice system. Nobody earned the money. That was enough testing.
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Last time we offered 10 million for anyone who cold successfully prove to cheat the dice system. Nobody earned the money. That was enough testing.
Test accomplished...
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Last time we offered 10 million for anyone who cold successfully prove to cheat the dice system. Nobody earned the money. That was enough testing.
If u offer 10 million for who can prove that and anyone win the money.
/dice cant cheat!!!!
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The test was carried out server-wide for at least an hour
All players online would have their /dice command entries recorded and if they could successfully get a combination of the same number, they would get $10,000,000
I find it hard to believe that in this test no evidence was found, yet a single player on his own managed to find evidence lately
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Whilst it *may* be mathematically possible to do so, it is not possible given script/server lag, human reaction and timer error.
We're talking milliseconds here, if thats even how the system is done anymore.
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Whilst it *may* be mathematically possible to do so
It's possible.
I'll get working.
Post Merge: May 26, 2010, 08:39:20 pm
lol it's a chance out of 7776...
rape me if you can get it...
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Some people are capable of timing it right, atleast it seems like that.
People who are capable of that are often the ones that do a lot of advertisements to announce their casino is open (no offence).
And if you want to test it, go sit in a corner alone. /dice 5 times, note down the numbers and then do it 5 times again. To avoid getting kicked by Jeffrey.
+1 Mafs I think of that too ... But if you offered 10 millions someone to tell you how to abuse /dice they wouldn't do it, probably because they would be banned xD We should get a maths teacher here!!
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Dude, I'm fucking telling you. Getting a five similar combination is practically impossible...
You can manage to take a shot out from 7776? You get the ten millions.
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and if the /dice system isn't well done? it isn't about getting 66666666 it's about getting like 15 and you want a six and there you go a six, luck maybe, but on Argonath there's a lot of luckies then xD
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Dice is an aleatory scripting function...
It summons a number randomly. You might get two similar numbers at the start because the probability range is far too tiny, but it's impossible to detect a fault in the dice system... Only if you can trick the dice in real life, which is of course impossible to do. :lol:
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Dice is an aleatory scripting function...
It summons a number randomly. You might get two similar numbers at the start because the probability range is far too tiny, but it's impossible to detect a fault in the dice system... Only if you can trick the dice in real life, which is of course impossible to do. :lol:
I did 4 times /Dice and I got all 4's, so 16 :D
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Last time we offered 10 million for anyone who cold successfully prove to cheat the dice system. Nobody earned the money. That was enough testing.
It was 25 mil for the one that does 10 times /dice and gets all 6's. I got 8 in a row , some got 9 , than the server restarted ... The server restarted every 2 minutes.
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Guys this might be serious, cause ive experienced the same thing, and ive seen some dealers winning repeatedly, you know ive stood once, and started watching a guy, i was like " WTF ".
I think you're right, and scripts should really look into it..
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Guys this might be serious, cause ive experienced the same thing, and ive seen some dealers winning repeatedly, you know ive stood once, and started watching a guy, i was like " WTF ".
I think you're right, and scripts should really look into it..
That's the idea, I don't know if it's about luck, or it's script abuse, or something like timing.. I repeat it's not about getting everytime 66666 it's about showing the number you want (luck/cheat/some abuse I don't know).. I think this should be tested in a test server by managers/admins/moderators, etc.
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I don't believe in luck, I believe in science. Which says it's close to impossible.
End of story.
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I don't believe in luck, I believe in science. Which says it's close to impossible.
End of story.
Science has nothing to do with this. Scripts are fragile, and might bug at anytime.
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David/CBF.
is /dice RANDOM or it has a timer... like ... a number changes every 0.2 seconds
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as far as i know the timer of dice goes WAY to fast to keep up to so if you have 5x 6 in a ro your just damm lucky !! :P
and for some reason a Dealer always is more lucky then the player dunno why :P atleast of what i notice :P and what if some one spams /dice during the game ?? Don't say its Cheat just spam it faster then him !!!! :rofl:
so in all the years i have been here if just seen 1 person bieng banned for cheating /dice no idea how he did it or if it was correct but afther that i do know the ajusted the system to make it un cheatable so you have like 1 in a 100000 Change of bieng able to pull it off :P
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In the original dice system the randomizer was set high, meaning that it was indeed possible to cheat the system. It was changed in such a way that the timer is randomized faster as people can roll the dice, meaning that cheating is virtually impossible. A good dealr is always lucky.
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Science has nothing to do with this. Scripts are fragile, and might bug at anytime.
Explain.
I don't see how time has anything to do with aleatory experiences.
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You make your own luck
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Dude, I'm f**king telling you. Getting a five similar combination is practically impossible...
You can manage to take a shot out from 7776? You get the ten millions.
Chance of getting for example 6's five times in a row is 0,01%.
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Chance of getting for example 6's five times in a row is 0,01%.
I'll demonstrate my result.
So, this is an aleatory experience with a dice which has 6 faces. You have an equal chance to get either of these six faces. So the probability to get a specific face is 1/6 (approximately 0,16 out of 1).
Our goal is to get a combination of a five-times repeated number each try.
Let's suppose X is the desired number (whatever it is, doesn't really matter).
Here's the experience:
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2czvpg4.jpg)
So there it is. The probability of getting a five-similar combination is (1/6)5 = 1/7776.
Post Merge: May 27, 2010, 05:49:14 pm
Yeah, 0,012%. :lol:
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Waiting a certain amount gets you the right number, I've won and lost like that.
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Waiting a certain amount gets you the right number, I've won and lost like that.
If you don't know the amount of time that you have to wait, there is no system, therefore it's random
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Honestly,
As a ex casino owner, the /dice cmmand works good but ive been told by others including a current admin/mod that there is a way to rig the /dice command and a certain casino owner is known to have a high winning % based on this rigging
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I don't get this. How?
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Last time we offered 10 million for anyone who cold successfully prove to cheat the dice system. Nobody earned the money. That was enough testing.
Hmmmmm 10 mils eh gandalf , that will be fine :cool: I think i know something :p but confirm if the 10 million is still offered ;)
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Guys this might be serious, cause ive experienced the same thing, and ive seen some dealers winning repeatedly, you know ive stood once, and started watching a guy, i was like " WTF ".
I think you're right, and scripts should really look into it..
Yea..
Not to put ANYONE in question, But has anyone noticed Eugene always wins in Blackjack, including close wins as 20 / 21 or 19 / 20 or TYING 21, but when you do any other game, that doesn't really need counting of dice, you win? I was playing once With Eug, and we had 3 people playing 2x dice, 10k(max bet) each game, and we won about 9/10 of the time, and eventually (I had gained a good 100k from it myself) Eug said NO MORE 2x DICE! BLACKJACK ONLY! and I lost my 100k earnings. Weird? Maybe coincidence. Also, Eugene always shows off how much cash he has, remember, before he had the casino he didn't even have more than 2 million I believe, and now he has over 12Million? Any other player that has been that succesful? It just doesn't seem right that no one BUT eugene has had more luck with dicing and gambling than anyone else, and continues to win... It just doesn't seem right.
And I lost 400k to Eugene once, playing OVER 20 GAMES, losing ALL OF THEM! Literally! i had 21 several times and he always tied it! I played for an hour, coming in with 400k, and i left an hour or so later with 0$! no one should be that lucky.
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Yea..
Not to put ANYONE in question, But has anyone noticed Eugene always wins in Blackjack, including close wins as 20 / 21 or 19 / 20 or TYING 21, but when you do any other game, that doesn't really need counting of dice, you win? I was playing once With Eug, and we had 3 people playing 2x dice, 10k(max bet) each game, and we won about 9/10 of the time, and eventually (I had gained a good 100k from it myself) Eug said NO MORE 2x DICE! BLACKJACK ONLY! and I lost my 100k earnings. Weird? Maybe coincidence. Also, Eugene always shows off how much cash he has, remember, before he had the casino he didn't even have more than 2 million I believe, and now he has over 12Million? Any other player that has been that succesful? It just doesn't seem right that no one BUT eugene has had more luck with dicing and gambling than anyone else, and continues to win... It just doesn't seem right.
And I lost 400k to Eugene once, playing OVER 20 GAMES, losing ALL OF THEM! Literally! i had 21 several times and he always tied it! I played for an hour, coming in with 400k, and i left an hour or so later with 0$! no one should be that lucky.
Unfortunatly, if its about this huge cash increasing for some players.. there was an exploitable bug, and believe, since players who had 10k yesterday have 10 millions today. Some got caught, others i dont know how the hell they're getting away with it. :)
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man, when i started playing Argo, it took me months to just earn 100k.
wish it was like that again, it was funn(ER)
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mhm... i think the script is bugged and there is timer when to get those numbers but i still waiting from gandalf about the offer :poke:
Greedy ass what i can doo.... :d
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Why not make it when people play blackjack random cards come up instead of reaching 1-6 with a dice
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Yea..
Not to put ANYONE in question, But has anyone noticed Eugene always wins in Blackjack, including close wins as 20 / 21 or 19 / 20 or TYING 21, but when you do any other game, that doesn't really need counting of dice, you win? I was playing once With Eug, and we had 3 people playing 2x dice, 10k(max bet) each game, and we won about 9/10 of the time, and eventually (I had gained a good 100k from it myself) Eug said NO MORE 2x DICE! BLACKJACK ONLY! and I lost my 100k earnings. Weird? Maybe coincidence. Also, Eugene always shows off how much cash he has, remember, before he had the casino he didn't even have more than 2 million I believe, and now he has over 12Million? Any other player that has been that succesful? It just doesn't seem right that no one BUT eugene has had more luck with dicing and gambling than anyone else, and continues to win... It just doesn't seem right.
And I lost 400k to Eugene once, playing OVER 20 GAMES, losing ALL OF THEM! Literally! i had 21 several times and he always tied it! I played for an hour, coming in with 400k, and i left an hour or so later with 0$! no one should be that lucky.
Let me tell you why. 2x dice you have the same chance of the dealer. In blackjack you don't, if you get 18 you don't know if you do /dice again, dealers do /dice until they have have higher numbers or the same numbers, if they bust luck to you, but in blackjack most probably winner is DEALER.