Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: SugarD on June 21, 2010, 10:59:36 pm
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http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48239 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48239)
Regarding the above topic, what are your honest and true suggestions for solving these problems in Argonath. I don't want to hear the blame-game, trolling, or "LOL KILL ALL THE FREECOPS". This is a 100% realistic ideas topic to see what can be done. We all know of a few ways, but in what ways in large-scale form can we put them into action? State your ideas and opinions, but DO NOT TROLL OR SPAM. I will link these two topics via a post in order to get it more attention, but this topic is completely serious. The SA:MP community is veering on the edge of self-destruction. I need not remind everyone that Developers ban moaners on sight, Administrators have pockets of no coverage during the day and night, and that users deathmatch, cop-hunt, play for greed, and rulebreak to all hell and back due to the issues being created. This community comes out of the owner's pockets, and the scripts for them are coming from the developers minds and hard work, yet they go unappreciated every day unless the servers have an outage for at least an hour or more. Roleplayers have lost their concepts of what roleplay actually is. This is not a strict roleplay community, but it is not a non-roleplay community either. Things never used to be like this in the past. MTA:VC, VC:MP, and even the few that play on MTA:SA have never run across the issues that the SA:MP server has. I think it's time we finally make a move to reclaim the roleplay community and save it before the owners just say **** it and shut it all down, which I would not blame them for at all given how users are acting. This is an open community, free of charge, for all to roleplay in any way that they choose, and yet somehow, users still take advantage of it. On a strict roleplay/closed community server, you would be banned for taking advantage of a situation in a roleplay. Here, it's actually quite hard to get banned unless you are straight-up hacking or mass-abusing scripts. I think it's time for a change in the community's behavior and actions. Let's bring back SA:MP stronger than it ever was before...
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Hey man, what you are saying makes perfect sense and your thinking is very logical. However, it is close to impossible to achieve.
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Hey man, what you are saying makes perfect sense and your thinking is very logical. However, it is close to impossible to achieve.
Excuse me kind troll (:lol:) but with people like you doing everything possible to destroy the good, how can anything like he mentioned work?
Change brains, so I can also change view of you.
Mr.Dr Evil
I personally do whatever is possible for my hands.. Via forums and via game. Not only by words, but via actions also.
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You'll see what I mean later.
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xcus me kind sir, I'm pretty sure Daco wasn't trolling right now.
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xcus me kind sir, I'm pretty sure Daco wasn't trolling right now.
Daco is telling the truth. There is no such thing as a 100% happy community and there never will be. Life is too 'real' and will flip on you radically and easily without notice or warning. Family can die, you may lose someone close to you, stocks you had die, bankruptcy, and everything else. This is the same thing here, except all the bad things happen normally. What I'm trying to say is, there is not enough + in life for ALL people to reflect it here, if something bad happens irl, something bad happens here, or someone causes something bad.
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Sugar, I couldn't agree more. Of course, at times I push the rule breaking line, but we do need more role play.
If ANYONE takes what this topic is about as a moan, it's not.....not even close.
At the moment, players DO play for greed. Cops hunt suspects, criminals(Some, not all) don't RP, but, cops wont either(Not all, but some). It seems a large majority of the cops on this server just like to hunt down suspects. The reason I don't go on TS is because all I hear is "Uh..suspect 43 is at prickle pine, go go go" I can't believe I'm actually saying this due to the fact it was an April Fools joke by the devs. that the accounts SHOULD be reset to 10k. Sure, some people worked hard for their money, but it creates so much greed. People these days, play for money....not fun. Back when I joined, people played for fun...but over the last year, it's changed...for the worse. They think having money is soo cool and they over power everyone. When I won a 1 million dollar lotto, 2 times, I did events, donations, almost everything. I had less than 200k very fast. I wish more people were like this. They would donate and stuff to benefit other players, but not themselves. As Sugar was saying, it is still a role play server...it means role play.
"Play for fun and friendship, not stats and achievements" - Gr2e5i3k
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"Play for fun, not stats and achievements" - Unknown(Was someone from this server).
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I'll edit that.
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Think if the developers and owners just said "Fuck it, keep your bullshit up, and this server's going pai pai. We let you take this for granted, and you spit on our asses in return," think people would stop acting up?
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Think if the developers and owners just said "f**k it, keep your bullshit up, and this server's going pai pai. We let you take this for granted, and you spit on our asses in return," think people would stop acting up?
no.
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Well, ok, so you think that Argonath should be saved. Ok first you need a vision, what should Argonath look like. This is quite clearly explained by the developers in here (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0). Let me bring out some of the points from it.
1. Argonath was, is, and will always be a community that should be friendly to new people. We will continue to be a breeding ground for new people to discover the fun of playing by imagination. This is what has brought us official status and creates a regular flow of new players in to our server, keeping the community alive and feeding it.
I see no problem with it. SAMP still is friendly and open toward new players.
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
At the moment there are some exceptions to that rule in SAMP. For example what concerns new players without passport not being able to choose from all the cop skins.(To get a passport you must have played in Argonath for a week, so a little difference between a player who has just joined server and the one who has been a member at least a week) but that is understandable.
4. Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
With time the rules have gone more complicated, but nothing impossible to understand, follow and adhere.
9. Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations. This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.
All is well with that point.
10. Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.
Well that point is implemented as well, you can see it from the variety of our community, which is from Japanese to Americans and all the nations between.( going from east to west)
So which part of Argonath Vision SAMP is having difficulty with?
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People should stop shitting problems. I meant, there is no problem for anyone except you, what the fuck are you talking about.
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Daco can't troll for his life. His jokes are so lame, he barly knows what he's saying, he has no clue of whatsoever. I don't know how you guys think he's trolling. :devroll:
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I had a few ideas here (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=55632.0) if you would like to read and consider them. :)
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My suggestion is there needs to be more enforcements on GUNS!!!!!!!!!! Those are the problem. Every 30 mins we have a random non rp dm shootout between blue names and orange names. Like pepper said on TS I've heard people say OH LOOK THERE IS A SUSPECT ONLINE!!! LETS GO KILL HIM!!!! The problem is as soon as cops see an orange name they immediately switch to their deagle and begin shooting. I am not moaning this is a fact I have seen this so many times. Not all of the ARPD does it but most of them do. So to prevent this I proposed a law on ARPD forums on the police procedures board. The law that if there is a suspect and he is not showing a gun. He is running away from the police the ARPD SHOULD NOT open fire!!!! They should footchase the suspect using spray can or nitestick. The only time a police officer should ever open fire is if he is being opened fire upon, another life of another of another person is at risk, or the suspect is showing off a gun and is a threat to everyone or if he is getting in a car. I've seen brutal slaughter of suspects at LSPd. As soon as a orange blip shows in five seconds the is gun downed by a hail of bullets leaving him to die. I remember I asked a Lt. for money and he ban beating the crap out of me with a bat. Then he suspected me because I fought back. I was not moving I stopped hitting him but he took out his gun and murdered me on the spot
Players playing for money and scripts also bothers me. When I first started playing Argonath people didn't rely on scripts. I actually went around LSPD selling imaginary roleplay items to people and people actually bought them. When ARFD was first created and there were no fire scripts we had people roleplay a fire. Then we pretended we were fighting an actual fire when tehre was none. Now when I roleplay throwing a motov cocktail at a building the ARFD will say "That is not a fire mission we will not respond"
So to summarize everything there should be a heavy restrictions on firearm use for both police and criminals. Maybe certain weapons should be disallowed illegally? But basically cops should not use their firearms on foot running suspects that are no threat to anyone. If the suspect gets in a car thats a different story and firearms can be used. But if they are unarmed, they are not a threat, and they are running the polcie should not open fire but chase the suspect with a spray can or nite stick. Also the players should be less dependant on scripts which they are right now. That anything they buy has to be something scripted. I'm not saying scripts are bad I'm saying Argonath's rp fate shouldn't lie in their hands.
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My suggestion is there needs to be more enforcements on GUNS!!!!!!!!!! Those are the problem. Every 30 mins we have a random non rp dm shootout between blue names and orange names. Like pepper said on TS I've heard people say OH LOOK THERE IS A SUSPECT ONLINE!!! LETS GO KILL HIM!!!! The problem is as soon as cops see an orange name they immediately switch to their deagle and begin shooting. I am not moaning this is a fact I have seen this so many times. Not all of the ARPD does it but most of them do. So to prevent this I proposed a law on ARPD forums on the police procedures board. The law that if there is a suspect and he is not showing a gun. He is running away from the police the ARPD SHOULD NOT open fire!!!! They should footchase the suspect using spray can or nitestick. The only time a police officer should ever open fire is if he is being opened fire upon, another life of another of another person is at risk, or the suspect is showing off a gun and is a threat to everyone. I've seen brutal slaughter of suspects at LSPd. As soon as a orange blip shows in five seconds he is gun downed by 30 deagle bullets.
I see, the problem is with ARPD regulations.
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I see, the problem is with ARPD regulations.
only the regulations that we are allowed to shoot a suspect even if he is unarmed and is only running on foot and he is causing no threat. I believe that needs to be changed. I myself when chasing a suspect in those conditions do not use firearms as it is unnecessary
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.I see no problem with it. SAMP still is friendly and open toward new players.
Actually,sometimes some people just have to burst out "OMG YOU NOOB GTFO",sooo i guess that should be fixed too.
Anyways,Whatever ideas you will make,they won't jump out of the forums and say "HEY! I just made myself into 'dis thing",We got to do it all.
I'd say the seed of these problems is the economy,though their might be other problems
-Hwaldar
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Daco can't troll for his life. His jokes are so lame, he barly knows what he's saying, he has no clue of whatsoever. I don't know how you guys think he's trolling. :devroll:
HURR DURR HOHOOOOO
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People should stop shitting problems. I meant, there is no problem for anyone except you, what the f**k are you talking about.
LOL, LSPD bomb squad defuses a nuclear bomb? They cannot even sniff their balls...
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That's called RP. if you don't understand how LSPD did that, then why are you part of Argonath RPG?
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Alright, No Offence to the people who posted here, but this sort of argument is ust like the argument people have about racial pressures and all that bull shit IRL. It NEVER gets resolved and people just continue to argue about it. Im not trying to be negative its just that there is always something people will argue about. Once we fix the RP problem then people will complain and moan about something else :S