Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: MrFrancis on August 09, 2010, 11:39:23 am
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Argonath RPG was made to have fun, relax and make friends. It was not meant to moan, argue and flame. It was made for RP with no limits! So why don't we really take a look at the past; There were less moaners, more friendly people and etc. What really happened today is that; The ammount of 'moaners' increase, more friendly and stable people, common arguing and flaming.
The most common reason for that is the work of people and the execution. Why don't we start to admire one's work because from what I have heard from JayL, "a work is a risk", getting flamed is meant by that. Why don't we have the old Argonath RPG back? meaning to have a stabilized community. This is not a moan thread, but a reminder. If we keep doing those things, what will happen to the future of Argonath? Now, we almost made CBF leave from waaaay back because of moaners. Why don't we also start to admire someone's work? It's not easy to do that and not everyone can do it.
By also commiting to the stage of Roleplaying, do not judge the person, without knowing his deeds and point. The most common reason to flame is by 'DMing' and Rulebreaking. If you are DMed, just control your temper, always remember that this is a game, nothing personal. There is a system called /report, which everyone uses and tells the Admin is NOT doing his job. Try being an admin and get shitloads of spams, /reports and moans from the players.
The point of this topic if the future of Argonath, what will happen if we continue to do these methods of having fun and making friends?
Argonath was meant to be, to make us happy. I am not being a "troll" or a "moaner", like I said. This is just a reminder.
Let's all try to make Argonath RPG a true server. Anyways, if you don't want to... then don't, since I am not forcing you to do so.
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A lot things happening latelly..
What is appreciated is to report, and have patience!
What is not appreciated is if you see that an admin is on your report, and just cause you don't know he is doing something "HEY U LOOK IN REPORT AND DO NOTHIGN UUUUH????", It happens every day..
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A lot things happening latelly..
What is appreciated is to report, and have patience!
What is not appreciated is if you see that an admin is on your report, and just cause you don't know he is doing something "HEY U LOOK IN REPORT AND DO NOTHIGN UUUUH????", It happens every day..
Exactly, 80% of admin punishment is not publically seen...
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That's the point... People think that if they report someone they will see a Public warn or kick.. but most times, It's more like a Conversation from the Admin to the reported guy, and verbal warning, rather than instant warn/kick usage
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Some people need to 'think before they act'
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Yeah.. Just understand them due to the fact, they reported to get them warned / kicked.. But guys, admins and moderators do not instantly do it without seeing the situation and such. Also, for a minor reason, they just verbally warn them via /pm or Admin private messages. That's also quite true, Paul.. A decision is and must be made carefully before executing.
Guys, imagine you being the admin, it'll be hard to take such comments that they are not doing their job. It is HOW the admin system goes, to make good quality.
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Yeah.. Just understand them due to the fact, they reported to get them warned / kicked.. But guys, admins and moderators do not instantly do it without seeing the situation and such. Also, for a minor reason, they just verbally warn them via /pm or Admin private messages. That's also quite true, Paul.. A decision is and must be made carefully before executing.
Guys, imagine you being the admin, it'll be hard to take such comments that they are not doing their job. It is HOW the admin system goes, to make good quality.
Well yeah, your quite right there.
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Argonath RPG was made to have fun, relax and make friends. It was not meant to moan, argue and flame. It was made for RP with no limits! So why don't we really take a look at the past; There were less moaners, more friendly people and etc. What really happened today is that; The ammount of 'moaners' increase, more friendly and stable people,
You have to see it in this way,
2 years ago there were 60 players playing at argonath RPG and now there are 120 players or even more.
The amount of players has doubled which also makes the moan double.
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So little views, so little impact.
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Sticky pls, this actually makes sence, though most of the complaining comes from anger, anger is a humanly and natural reaction, a person can be very happy and well mooded and pissed of one second later. Anger must be controlled and prevented. Anger also is infectable.. One person says all cops are Dmers!
And bam you have it, other players saying he's a moaner, the player reporting the people who say ''moaner'' to him, and alot of admin punishments are given. The best way ofcourse is not to say anything! If someone says ''All cops are DMers'', say nothing.. What will he say then? ''OMG why no one responding to me!?'' No.. He will just be quiet.. Or continue complaining about it... Just ignore it..
That's also what keeps anger from happening, saying nothing! Just being quiet. Sometimes the best option..
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The best option would be understanding.. A human MAKES mistake...
We can learn, instead of flaming, why not help?
For example :
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Guy1 goes to Guy2
Guy1 shoots directly to Guy2
Guy2 : What the fuck bitch, why'd you DM me?! HA! REPORTED you fucking bitch
Or
2.
Guy1 goes to Guy2
Guy1 shoots directly to Guy2
Guy1 : Hey there Guy2, Please try not to kill other people for no reason. Try to do an interaction between you and him like a rob, before shooting ;)
or 3.Stay quiet.
Which would be the best option? 2 and 3.
Let US make Argonath RPG a stabilized community!
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You also need to realise, if an admin does /on to your report, HE'S ON IT. Had to make that clear. Most of the time if it's a chat related offence I'd do /on <id of reporter> then /banana <reported id> 60, /apm <reported id> [what he did wrong] and hope he won't do it again. If he does, banana for 120 seconds and apm. Add 60 seconds each time until he stops. You guys do not see this. I liked it when everyone saw banana's, but that's my opinion and I doubt it'll come back.
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This is important for players who don't know and always moan that admins are not doing his/her job.
Also, please be informed Admins are the ones who's making and trying to make the community safe!!
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Guy1 : Hey there Guy2, Please try not to kill other people for no reason. Try to do an interaction between you and him like a rob, before shooting ;)
Don't forget we have foreign users who don't understand difficult or any english words.
Ex: Please do not kill for no reason. This is an RP server type /rules. (additional): Visit www.argonathrpg.eu (http://www.argonathrpg.eu) for more info about the server.
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Yeah...that... ;)
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This iis just a advice as its my opinion
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We regularly get admins who are at the end of their patience and wish to give up.
The reason ? The constant disrespect and arguing from players.
Our admins did not take the job because they like to hand out punishment or to settle personal scores.
They do the job because they want to protect the server and improve things.
Every admin is a human, and if you will provoke them long enough they will punish you faster and harder than others. Also we feel that new players are in need of more patience and less punishment as regulars for breaking the rules. From the beginning the most active admins have gotten the most reports on them. Not because they are harsh or abusing, but because they attract the most attention.
Finally I would advise players to step in the shoes of their enemies. Do you like to be a criminal and feel cops are abusing you ? Try to be an honest cop for a while and see the other side.
Are you a cop who feels criminals are constantly moaning ? Be a criminal and see how cops look at you.
Remember that Argonath is a free RPG server that does not require you to stick to one character or idea. You can change your habits, accent, skin and play every moment you want to.
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The problem is, Gandalf... Cops are afraid to roleplay with criminals and Criminals are afraid to roleplay with cops? Why? Moaning will occur...
Well, Cops and Criminals, why don't you guys try it? It's not that hard inter-acting with both sides. According to Frank, sportsmanship should be shown.
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I try to roleplay with criminals at any given opportunity; I enjoy RPing with everyone and I make a point to ensure my RPs are quick, funny and interesting for all involved. Sometimes I might see a criminal walking around and I'll tell him to put his hands up - then tell him he can have a dance off with the cop I'm patrolling with and if he wins he gets unsuspected - it's quick, funny, interesting and offers them a chance of redemption.
You can not stereotype all cops, nor can you do the same for all criminals - but it's important that we try to work together to make Argonath a better place for both sides.
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Judging is also the worst thing to do on Argonath. In SP, you can judge on a balla in gangster skin that he will attack you if you attack him, but that is a computer script, Argonath's players don't have scripts that are controlling them, they are human and all react in a different way.
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These topics are great and all, and it really must be a good feeling to owners to see such commited players.
but lets face it, there are hundreds of these kind of topics, and there is still moan. People who posted that moaning or just being a plain jerk is bad, I see them do it in game.
You can not stereotype all cops, nor can you do the same for all criminals - but it's important that we try to work together to make Argonath a better place for both sides.
(lol at the dancing contest thing) - This is the kind of cops that should be on the streets as policemen. One that can admit cops ALSO are moaners, and moan just about, if not the same amount as criminals. sadly, believe it or not, there are cops (including some high ranked) who see it this way: criminal = bad person, he moan lots lots lots and mean all the time. Not giving names (you know who ya' are), but there is even evidence sitting on the ARPD forums, including and exact quote, ''Criminals are so used to moan now'' and not once stating about cops moaning, which is sad because we have good cops (like GiacJr) being stereotyped because of other cops who shoot first, then ask questions.
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Exactly, 80% of admin punishment is not publically seen...
i'm thinking bout making a chuck-punishment :
/goto id
/me teleports towards (name)
/me constatates a rulebreach
/me starts with public execution
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Can we please stop this "admin vs player" fights?
Players should shut up moaning towards admins, as they are putting their own free time into this server.
And some admins should really stop constantly going in defensive positions, you guys are doing your work and just continue the way you are heading and everything is fine, ignore those moaners and disrespecting people.
Always getting into an arguement to "defend" the admin team of those untrue facts is only creating a "player vs admin" fight, which we do not need.
Keep the distance between these two groups as close as possible for the most succesfull affect, instead of creating a gap between those two groups.
Players are here to follow the rules and have fun, admins are here to enforce the rules - failure to do so? Get punished and don't moan.
Do not want to be punished? Follow the rules.
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You see, its quite funny to say this, but how do every single one of you react in the given moment. I don't know, maybe you don't know either.
That's the question. Everyone of you who have posted here, has his moan/objection phases that take time and place, we can call them LOL situations. You know why? Because we are humans, these problems are never going to solve. You know why there was less moan back in the old days. Its because there were lesser players then now. 100 people, 100 personalities. You simply cannot satisfy them all. Decency we have, and I'm talking about some fascinating Role players, cannot stand to that crowd. That's because we have fine programs such as TeaM school, LSDS, SFDS, CMB et cetera, and many groups are devoted to enhancing RP and /hduty. I believe you when you say that you are trying the best. Well apparently it isn't enough, and what is left where is nothing more to give.