Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Eugene on August 13, 2010, 01:55:36 am
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not trying to make one of those whinning topics, but i need main admins to clear something for me and im sure for many others too.
today we (gvardia) organized to do a kidnaping, so we went to LSPD and picked out hostage, =AV=Dave, we came up to him started RPing, he then did /me presses the red botton on the dash board" and then he TPed away. i asked him where he went, he said to deal with a report. ye i can understand that, then i asked him if he is coming back to this RP after he deals with that report, he said no. So i understanded he doesnt wanted to RP with us, becuase there is a "cant force RP rule" on server.
then few minutes later, we gvardia was driving 2 cars full with armours and shit, then 2 cop cars pull us over for no reason, and told us to get out and lay down on the ground, they were aiming weapons on it and stuff like that. so few minutes later i told them in OOC that we dont want to RP with them, just like dave didnt want to RP with us. so we got up and slowly got in our cars after telling them in ooc that we will not RP with them. those cops su'd all of us and then started shooting and killed us.
so i need main admin to clarify this mess,
how does "cant force RP" rule work exactly?
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In Dave's case, he is allowed to respond to a report since he's an administrator. He is also allowed to say he won't roleplay with you.
In your case, I am sure the officers saw you breaking a traffic law, which caused them pulling you over. The fact that you broke the law gives you NO right to say "I don't want to roleplay with you".
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Bull shit.
Aksel please do not comment or judge, on situations you weren't present. He directed his question to someone else.
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In Dave's case, he is allowed to respond to a report since he's an administrator. He is also allowed to say he won't roleplay with you.
In your case, I am sure the officers saw you breaking a traffic law, which caused them pulling you over. The fact that you broke the law gives you NO right to say "I don't want to roleplay with you".
So, what? If people see Gvardia in armor, they are allowed to stop them?
If those were free officers, which I bet they were, I don't see any reason for suspicion. He said they were driving.
If this is a free "flow" RP server as many claim, I believe there should be no confusion about "forcing RP" rule.
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It was on the county.When you get pulled over for a driving violation you get treated like that?They were acting like we were terrorrists and not normal people.I am pissed off already from what is happening on the server.I do not wanna quit but if this is how things go then seriously..better stay far from it...
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Maybe Gvardia gets TP powers, we can do whatever we like :lol:
Guys.. life is unfair and sometimes its even more unfair by the people in it, in their eyes they could/are right, in your eyes they aren't. In this case =AV=Dave is the admin and has the power to do whatever he really needed to do / wanted to do. honestly i would suggest to make a report if the rule is favored to Gvardia in the situation.
what the cops did is not procedure and that should definetly be put to ARPD reports.. Cops have no right to aim with Lethal weaponary at civilians who pose no real threat.
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If he has a good reason not to RP, for instance an event is starting, the cops should let him go. If he does not want because he does not want to be stopped by cops, then he should not give them reason to pull him over.
If he does not reply, suspecting him is not against the rules.
Basically if you take the initiative of doing something that could create roleplay - then you are subjected to roleplay.
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Clearly stating you didn't want to rp and being killed anyway is DM and all of those cops should be punished.
If a cop says he doesn't want to RP and the criminals kill them, they get into trouble.
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You tried to kidnap me, I TPed away to deal with a report, seeing as you were surrounding my car aiming combat shotguns at me. Tbh, I find kidnaps boring, their all the same and I cba with them because they take so long.
As for you not wanting to RP...explain why I had to command SAPD forces to arm up heavily and respond to a Code 30 Shots Fired in your general area? :D
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As for you not wanting to RP...explain why I had to command SAPD forces to arm up heavily and respond to a Code 30 Shots Fired in your general area? :D
Because the people who called for backup, annoyed the hell out of my people, to provoke a shoting in any way possible, as pictures proves and talks by itself. And nothing is funny.
Basically if you take the initiative of doing something that could create roleplay - then you are subjected to roleplay.
Basically, if you aren't breaking any law or doing anything suspicious or if you're not starting a role play, and you don't want to role play, the police side can still force you to role play.
Because the pictures shows a nice guide on how to force someone on role play, by using "traffic check". Totally a traffic check when you see the pictures isn't it ?
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Whatever, I got banned cause of this shit.
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Whatever, I got banned cause of this shit.
Sad from the police side.
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Whatever, I got banned cause of this shit.
Lol you could have it worse, and have gotten banned in the same position I was. :hit:
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in your case, the cops CAN do that. either you RP or you get suspected. cops can basically force RP, such as traffic stops, suspecting, ect.
it's sad, but true.
oh, and by the way, most cops treat gvardias with felony stops(such as this one) for their own safety and security, you're all labeled DANGEROUS and junk.
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in your case, the cops CAN do that. either you RP or you get suspected. cops can basically force RP, such as traffic stops, suspecting, ect.
it's sad, but true.
oh, and by the way, most cops treat gvardias with felony stops(such as this one) for their own safety and security, you're all labeled DANGEROUS and junk.
This.
And I challenge one of the opposing side to prove him wrong.
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Basically if you take the initiative of doing something that could create roleplay - then you are subjected to roleplay.
so you are basically saying that Dave has broken this "rule"
because he did procceded with RPing with us at first by using /me commands and such, then he TPs away to deal with a report, and I ask him in main chat if we should wait till he is done with report so he can come back and contunie RPing with us, he said no he doesnt want to RP with us in a kidnaping.
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so if even Main admins such as Dave not clear about this rule, thats why I made this topic to get Gandalf to look into this mess
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Guys, you know perfectly well that cops can do anything and get off scot-free.
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Guys, you know perfectly well that cops can do anything and get off scot-free.
Well Said, this Man Deserves a round of applause.
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in your case, the cops CAN do that. either you RP or you get suspected. cops can basically force RP, such as traffic stops, suspecting, ect.
Then either scratch out No forcing rp out of the rules because how is this fair, I need a confirmation from Gandalf.
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Just a question about the situation yesterday (the traffic stop gone hell): Did any of Gvardia members draw guns after suspected? Did they kept running after they got suspected? Why didn't they do /gu straight away?
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The first person to continue the BS about cops vs criminals will enjoy a nice ban. Clear ?
Clarification of the 'do not force RP' rule:
There is NO rule that says you can walk out on any situation by telling you do not want to RP. Never was and never will be.
Do not force RP means that it is not allowed to force your idea of what should happen on to others if they choose to follow a different path.
For instance : Cops bring a suspect to the PD.
Suspect ask to be jailed, but cops insist on a long investigation RP first. They are NOT allowed to force the suspect in to this investigation if he just wants to be jailed.
Happening 1: Admins are required to answer reports and investigate situations. This means that any kidnap, which usually is a long RP, will disturb the ability of the admin to answer on reports, help players with questions and/or spectate situations. If you like to RP in the way of a soap series (40 episodes with constant interruption where everyone is picking up their noses) fine... find an admin who will play, but do not get pissed off if they will constantly not respond to RP, teleport out and back and are busy with anything but the RP.
Happening 2: Unless the cops had no valid reason to pull you over or stop you (and seeing a car full of Gvardia is NOT a valid reason) there is no reason not to RP with them. The general style of Gvardia of trying to be badasses whenever they meet a cop invites cops to treat them with strict and hard answers. That is not the fault of the cops.
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The first person to continue the BS about cops vs criminals will enjoy a nice ban. Clear ?
Clarification of the 'do not force RP' rule:
There is NO rule that says you can walk out on any situation by telling you do not want to RP. Never was and never will be.
Do not force RP means that it is not allowed to force your idea of what should happen on to others if they choose to follow a different path.
For instance : Cops bring a suspect to the PD.
Suspect ask to be jailed, but cops insist on a long investigation RP first. They are NOT allowed to force the suspect in to this investigation if he just wants to be jailed.
Happening 1: Admins are required to answer reports and investigate situations. This means that any kidnap, which usually is a long RP, will disturb the ability of the admin to answer on reports, help players with questions and/or spectate situations. If you like to RP in the way of a soap series (40 episodes with constant interruption where everyone is picking up their noses) fine... find an admin who will play, but do not get pissed off if they will constantly not respond to RP, teleport out and back and are busy with anything but the RP.
Happening 2: Unless the cops had no valid reason to pull you over or stop you (and seeing a car full of Gvardia is NOT a valid reason) there is no reason not to RP with them. The general style of Gvardia of trying to be badasses whenever they meet a cop invites cops to treat them with strict and hard answers. That is not the fault of the cops.
have I ever told you that I love you?
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GAY AUSSIE ALERT
sorry, had to joke out.
And before someone starts drama, I have nothing against GiacJr himself, homosexuals or Australians.
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in your case, the cops CAN do that. either you RP or you get suspected. cops can basically force RP, such as traffic stops, suspecting, ect.
it's sad, but true.
oh, and by the way, most cops treat gvardias with felony stops(such as this one) for their own safety and security, you're all labeled DANGEROUS and junk.
We are not junk, we're human beings playing a computer game and we don't want to see your comments about how "junky" we are.
And Gandalf, we are not acting like "badasses".
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We are not junk, we're human beings playing a computer game and we don't want to see your comments about how "junky" we are.
And Gandalf, we are not acting like "badasses".
Running around with weapons 24/7, shooting cops, causing fights and ignoring administration....what are you then?
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Running around with weapons 24/7, shooting cops, causing fights and ignoring administration....what are you then?
For the first Dave you don't know so much about us it seems. Running around with weapons 24/7? Yes every criminal does that, but not always. As me I don't run around with that, maybe some.
Shooting cops? I have avoided that for a long time, tried to roleplayed in every situation instead. I play every day and stay active, guess you're not. Since I don't see you online much.
Causing fightings? Can accour in criminal roleplay, it happens. Just look at Idlewood, are fights there every day and every time.
Ignoring administration? Well that I don't do and none what I am aware off.
We are just a group on the server, nothing more.
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We are just a group on the server, nothing more.
:lol:
You guys are more then just that, in many different ways. And you don't need to be ingame much to see that either. ;)
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For the first Dave you don't know so much about us it seems. Running around with weapons 24/7? Yes every criminal does that, but not always. As me I don't run around with that, maybe some.
Shooting cops? I have avoided that for a long time, tried to roleplayed in every situation instead. I play every day and stay active, guess you're not. Since I don't see you online much.
Causing fightings? Can accour in criminal roleplay, it happens. Just look at Idlewood, are fights there every day and every time.
Ignoring administration? Well that I don't do and none what I am aware off.
We are just a group on the server, nothing more.
Just because you don't see my name doesn't mean i'm not there. ;)
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We are just a group on the server, nothing more.
I agree. However due to the group being noted as being criminal and opposing any cop that they did not invite (or kidnap ;)) there is a standard friction between the group members and cops whenever they meet.
Cops : OMG here is a Gvardia, they will start a fight.
Gvardia : Oh no another cop who wants to abuse me.
Perhaps we should create a RP scenario where Gvardia and cops will be forced to work together against a common enemy. Standing side by side might improve relations.
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Common enemy? Mexicans for sure. Do you like Mexicans, Gvardia?
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So?This is the fun of the game.We don't DM.Instead we make good RP's and when comes to shooting it happens rarely.We are not junk.If you want to treat us like that we'll treat every cop like that.By the way yesterday no cop asked for identification,like from a magic way they knew we were Gvardias,but anyway,point is that we don't DM,regardless what the bad rumors spread around from cops and various admins.
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Perhaps we should create a RP scenario where Gvardia and cops will be forced to work together against a common enemy. Standing side by side might improve relations.
Work together with the administration team against rulebreakers? :D
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Ahh Gandalf you're wrong there,sorry.Gvardia will never co-operate with SAPD against an enemy.Yes we co-operate at traffic stops and all but no that's impossible to do..And don't forget SAPD is like 1/3 of all cops.Not everyone has the knowledge of an experienced cop who knows what and when to do.
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Ahh Gandalf you're wrong there,sorry.Gvardia will never co-operate with SAPD against an enemy.Yes we co-operate at traffic stops and all but no that's impossible to do..And don't forget SAPD is like 1/3 of all cops.Not everyone has the knowledge of an experienced cop who knows what and when to do.
Actually, it's ARPD who are the "official" officers. SAPD does include freecops...or is it the other way around....
I can never remember.
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ARPD is freecops, SAPD is Cadet+
Cmon Dolfa, do you guys wanna work with DPD with common enemy being mexicans ? You wanna unique RP where we get together here it is :)
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Ok, From my side Eugene that was half story.
If you did not want to RP with us, you should have not done what you were told by cops..
What you did:
Shouted that you would take us all to Court (Action)
Fall on floor on request of us (on stomach) - (Action)
I am not sure if I can call this, you got off ground and got in your cars possibly to trying to escape.. (Was not near to hear.)
And after your car blew up, instead of you guys /GU when suspected you started fighting back..!! Taking out guns and shooting us.. if you did not want to RP or something.. why didn't you just /GU at first?
From this situation how can you say we were forcing RP when you were doing rp actions also? That's what I wonder..
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ARPD is freecops, SAPD is Cadet+
Cmon Dolfa, do you guys wanna work with DPD with common enemy being mexicans ? You wanna unique RP where we get together here it is :)
Meh, I don't know. I only really pay attention to VCPD.
Ok, From my side Eugene that was half story.
From this situation how can you say we were forcing RP when you were doing rp actions also? That's what I wonder..
True. Same with me. They surrounded my car with shotguns, when I was sitting outside LSPD doing nothing at all, I could have been AFK for all they knew. I wasn't going to even bother explaining I had to answer a report. Why should I? The last over 9000 times you guys have tried to kidnap me, I told you i'm busy. Take the hint.
A kidnapping is a very inconvenient thing for an active admin, as Gandalf pointed out. I'd be having to teleporting and vanishing to spectate all over the joint.
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Admin's main task is to handle reports.. as we're told... If we do want to RP we are required to use our non admin accounts...!
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so few minutes later i told them in OOC
>.>
And Gandalf, we are not acting like "badasses".
lol.
like from a magic way they knew we were Gvardias,
You're in a GAME, your name is above your head.
Don't make assumptions that everyone will play 'z0mg realistic' like you. If you want to be anonymous from cops' attention, join a tagless group so cops can't recognize you as a criminal just by your name.
Common enemy? Mexicans for sure. Do you like Mexicans, Gvardia?
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lol.
You're in a GAME, your name is above your head.
Don't make assumptions that everyone will play 'z0mg realistic' like you. If you want to be anonymous from cops' attention, join a tagless group so cops can't recognize you as a criminal just by your name.
/em [[[[[[[[[But omg Grz, you have to use OOC chat when doin rps omg]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
/em[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[S/F??????????]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
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/p [[ yo dawg i herd u liek ooc so i put ooc in ur ooc so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
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/p [[ yo dawg i herd u liek ooc so i put ooc in ur ooc so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
Like this:
/l [[ yo dawg i herd i liek ooc [[ so I put ooc in ur ooc ]] so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
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[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[Seriously guys, you have to use brackets or else it isn't ooc ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
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YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
Like this:
/l [[ yo dawg i herd i liek ooc [[ so I put ooc in ur ooc ]] so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
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How have I been so foolish :(
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/p [[ yo dawg i herd u liek ooc so i put ooc in ur ooc so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
Giac, thanks for the signature! ^.^
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/em [[[[[[[[[But omg Grz, you have to use OOC chat when doin rps omg]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
/em[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[S/F??????????]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
/p [[ yo dawg i herd u liek ooc so i put ooc in ur ooc so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[Seriously guys, you have to use brackets or else it isn't ooc ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
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What's the point?
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Cmon Dolfa, do you guys wanna work with DPD with common enemy being mexicans ? You wanna unique RP where we get together here it is :)
That's just wrong. I got abused by DPD on a traffic conduct, because I said I'm from Sur Las Colinas . :lol:
Giac and Dave you make fun of REAL role players there, for the record. If they like role playing professionally I don't see why don't the officers respect it. They went like
TeaM_Speak/Vent: Yo yo, Gvardias, letz pull 'em ova. hehehehehe, lets pull guns out of our asses before we call in a traffic stop. xaxaxax
/l something weridsomething weridsomething weridhahahah I seez yo name Gvardia, on the floor, junk something weirdsomething weird)
/em Metagame powaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the Gvardias pulled over and asked to be excused from RP, I don't see a problem there. Argonath's state laws turn around *drum roll*.... citizens/civilians. So why forcing a traffic conduct if they don't want to RP, but officers just do it like this:
/l something werid( /gu ZOmfg something weirdsomething weird)
Now they point the gun at you, and shoot you down. Or beat you down with a nitestick (Yes till death)
Version two
/l something werid( /gu or I shoot something weird)
...suspected person surrenders.
...officer drives like a maniac breaking every single traffic law to any PD.
... gets inside PD with /enter and before even objects load officer /jail ID Min. Talking about RP, its like a deer hunting season with mechanism.
(Blip hunting).
One more thing, how many 911 calls I've responded called in by civilians and RPed successfully with them(The problem is only ME responded equals ONE unit on scene only. Others were too busy blip hunting.) Talking about RPing with civilians and vice versa.
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I'd not say "REAL" roleplayers...
Well, each person decide how they want to RP, is not up to them to judge anyone...
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I'd not say "REAL" roleplayers...
Well, each person decide how they want to RP, is not up to them to judge anyone...
The definition of RP is to divide out of character and in character. Those are the core ideas.
While RPing skill, recognizing the situation, responding to other RP stories, is categorized in "How they want to RP"
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The definition of RP is to divide out of character and in character. Those are the core ideas.
While RPing skill, recognizing the situation, responding to other RP stories, is categorized in "How they want to RP"
They're not supported by Argonath... That's why some players never used or will ever use them :)
Each player has his own roleplay, it's not up to you to judge them and it's not up to them to judge you.
As long as you respect each other, no big problem...
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This is Rock Stars RP, not RLRP, not normal RL, so chuck your shitty definitions out the window and live by Argonath's definition
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This is Rock Stars RP, not RLRP, not normal RL, so chuck your shitty definitions out the window and live by Argonath's definition
This.
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They're not supported by Argonath... That's why some players never used or will ever use them :)
Well, I have a different perspective then, as every RPer I encountered used OOC and IC while communicating with me.
That's what I appreciate, a good situation, and a good reaction.
RLRP/ARgonath/RL, doesn't matter. Go try finding a someone who does not appreciate a good RP scene. With quality environment and story.
Seems like the problem is with you, because you refuse those definition while they are the core terms of RP. They can be denied but some of us still use it, and the lesson/point to you and Dave was not to make fun of Gvardias using it.
/p [[ yo dawg i herd u liek ooc so i put ooc in ur ooc so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
I don't see anything funny here.
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Well, I have a different perspective then, as every RPer I encountered used OOC and IC while communicating with me.
Funny how I only see 2% of players using it, and those 2% are the ones I refuse to RP with.
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Happening 2: Unless the cops had no valid reason to pull you over or stop you (and seeing a car full of Gvardia is NOT a valid reason) there is no reason not to RP with them. The general style of Gvardia of trying to be badasses whenever they meet a cop invites cops to treat them with strict and hard answers. That is not the fault of the cops.
No.
The general style of Gvardia, is to get them off our asses in a as much as possible normal and polite way, in order to continue what we were doing. Exceptional members, mostly new ones, can't be consider into it.
And none of this is the fault of the cops, but the system that allows corruption and constant harassing without getting punished. While my boys gets instant ban without a warning/kick or tempban for it, worst thing that can happen to a corrupted cop for same reasons is cop ban, and that mostly goes down the toilet, when some of the ARPD leadership sees the reports coming from Gvardia.
Perhaps we should create a RP scenario where Gvardia and cops will be forced to work together against a common enemy. Standing side by side might improve relations.
:lol:
Also @ Aksel, GIac and Dave, You don't see us mocking your ROFLCOPTER way of role play, so please refrain of mocking our ones.
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While we're on this topic;
Yesterday I was doing some RP at GS9, when I was faced with some Mexicans
After exchanging some puta's and cabron's, they went on the offensive.
One of them did /me puts a gun to GiacJr's head...
then did /em S/F
I did /me attempts to back away, running into the guy behind him
The mexican then did /em S/F!?!?!?
I repeated /me attempts to back away, running into the guy behind him
I then got something werid FFS DID I SUCCEED OR NOT????
I laughed and walked off.
Also @ Aksel, GIac and Dave, You don't see us mocking your ROFLCOPTER way of role play, so please refrain of mocking our ones.
kekeke
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As we progress in time it seems that we get more and more layers who learned the wring habits on other servers. Some find our rules too open as they are used to stricter ones, and take it as excuse to either break the rules or impose theirs on others. There for a small guide to RP, the Argonath way.
1. RP does not need to be scritped.
Many ideas to create jobs, scripts, ranks and other things are requested as people seem to have no idea on what to do. For those people, the origin of RP is without any script support. In the early days of GTA roleplay, any RP was based on what was typed on screen. People bought houses you could not enter, businesses that were closed, or hotels without rooms.
And people paid each other money without getting anything in their inventory, they paid because they made RP of buying something.
It it so hard to use your imagination and do something virtual ?
Bad example:
/me sells grey brooms
Player: how can you sell brooms, they do nothing
Good example:
/me sells white brooms
Player buys a broom.
After 5 minutes pPlayer comes back and tell the broom did not work.
2. Public chat is communication
In the earlier days, all RP of 26 people went through a public chat of 8 lines. Nowadays, with all local, cb, pm and other chat people complain about not being able to read even when they can use 20 lines of chat.
The public chat gives opportunity to greet your friends, help new players and create a friendly atmosphere. Although often it seems to be used for whining, complaining and flaming. If it will be removed, it will be because of the whining, not because of it beung useless.
Bad example:
/me Hey all
Player OMG spam I can not read my screen.
Good example:
/me: Hey all
Player: Hi
3. Use imagination instead of force.
It seems extremely hard to use the brains for a number of people. Not only do they feel the need to make a difference between 'In Character' and 'Out of Character' by using funny brackets, lately they also feel the need to force others in to actions.
The latest is using /me for an action and then askig yes/no or succeed/fail.
This takes imagination out of roleplay, and causes forced scenarios.
Instead of asking for a result, let the player think of one.
Bad example:
Player pushes Gandalf succeed/fail
Good example:
Player pusghes Gandalf
Gandalf looks confused.
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Why are you trying to make this into a role play style discussion?
For example, some people use the Y/N approach, we hate it and its disallowed most of the time, but still doesn't give us right to mock them right into their face, for the Lolz.
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Funny how I only see 2% of players using it, and those 2% are the ones I refuse to RP with.
Then you should go play a game that includes statistics. You're fault, you refuse it.
I recommend you to actually start RPing. Not insulting Gvardia style of RP. As Lyrical said: Respect, its not up to anyone to judge.
The quote you posted above is the actually an automatic transmit to SUCCESS with skiping process of FAIL/SUCCESS in /em.
You cannot evade it the IC RP, as you can see, you need to learn that Argonath does not set standards of RP. People who adopted RP in gaming actually created is and evolved. Argonath just passes it on its player, in their own way.
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whats a IC?
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Then you should go play a game that includes statistics. You're fault, you refuse it.
I recommend you to actually start RPing. Not insulting Gvardia style of RP. As Lyrical said: Respect, its not up to anyone to judge.
The quote you posted above is the actually an automatic transmit to SUCCESS with skiping process of FAIL/SUCCESS in /em.
You cannot evade it the IC RP, as you can see
I can evade it. Easily. I can just say "no" and walk off, and if I get shot and killed - it is deathmatch. Simple. I know the rules and i've been enforcing them for nearly 4 years on and off.
Tell me ONE thing. Define Roleplay. Right here right now. Go on, tell us what roleplay means, we'd all be enlightened to see if you actually know.
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whats a IC?
IC - In character in generally(You use it when you talk and act/RP).Adapting IC talk to your desired character requires skill.
Shortest I could
Dave, dear sir. I know as much as Wikipedia knows about RP. because I learned what's RP from there.
I suggest you to go there, right here, right now. You'll surely be "enlightened".
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Dave, dear sir. I know as much as Wikipedia knows about RP. because I learned what's RP from there.
I suggest you to go there, right here, right now. You'll surely be "enlightened".
This is Rock Stars RP, not RLRP, not normal RL, so chuck your shitty definitions out the window and live by Argonath's definition
This is Rock Stars RP, not RLRP, not normal RL, so chuck your shitty definitions out the window and live by Argonath's definition
This is Rock Stars RP, not RLRP, not normal RL, so chuck your shitty definitions out the window and live by Argonath's definition
This is Rock Stars RP, not RLRP, not normal RL, so chuck your shitty definitions out the window and live by Argonath's definition
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IC - In character in generally(You use it when you talk and act/RP).Adapting IC talk to your desired character requires skill.
Shortest I could
Dave, dear sir. I know as much as Wikipedia knows about RP. because I learned what's RP from there.
I suggest you to go there, right here, right now. You'll surely be "enlightened".
I'm asking you to define it. What is your personal definition of RP? Everyone has their own. If you're directing me to wikishit, then clearly you do not know what roleplay is yourself.
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I'd not say "REAL" roleplayers...
Well, each person decide how they want to RP,
As long as they don't enforce it on other.
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.... as you can see, you need to learn that Argonath does not set standards of RP. People who adopted RP in gaming actually created is and evolved. Argonath just passes it on its player, in their own way.
Here, Giac dear sir. I respect Argonath vision, and I RP to my maximum and coexist with all Argonath players.
Argonath made it free, loosen, and I respect that eases a lot of characters In game, but there are some of us that like serious RP.So we gather and RP together. The misunderstanding come when a text book RPer meets a free RPer. Which is in this case. None can force RP on other. Free RPer must not force RP on a text book RPer and vice versa.
Dave, that is a poor attempt to provoke. You can do it better, I'm sure. Now go to wiki pedia, please, I shared my source of knowledge with you.
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Funny how in every thread some niggas come and change the topic. :D
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The "niggas" who changed the topic were Giac and Dave, as they started to make fun out of Gvardia style of RP.
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Here, Giac dear sir. I respect Argonath vision, and I RP to my maximum and coexist with all Argonath players.
Argonath made it free, loosen, and I respect that eases a lot of characters In game, but there are some of us that like serious RP.So we gather and RP together. The misunderstanding come when a text book RPer meets a free RPer. Which is in this case. None can force RP on other. Free RPer must not force RP on a text book RPer and vice versa.
Dave, that is a poor attempt to provoke. You can do it better, I'm sure. Now go to wiki pedia, please, I shared my source of knowledge with you.
Argonath Vision states that we do not want Argonath to be complicated and full of rules and complex ideas, OOC, IC, S/F, etc etc are all complex concepts to a new player who has never seen RP before...
Therefore you are not respecting the vision..
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Argonath RPG was founded in 2006 with a clear target.
The founders were upset with the community they left because of how people treated each other, and how there was a lack of recognition from the administration for the efforts of new players and those who were not in the favour of leaders.
There for it was decided to create a new community that would be open to all people, and where new players were treated same as regulars and veterans. With a new community this was not a problem, as everyone was new and the only veterans were the main leaders.
With the growth of the community over the years, there have been a number of players who do not know about the origins of our community, and the goals that were set when creating it. As a result, there has been a clash between people who feel that they are entitled because of being regulars and the goals and ideas of the owners and developers.
To clarify this, we present our vision.
1. Argonath was, is, and will always be a community that should be friendly to new people. We will continue to be a breeding ground for new people to discover the fun of playing by imagination. This is what has brought us official status and creates a regular flow of new players in to our server, keeping the community alive and feeding it.
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
3. Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.
4. Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
5. Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community
6. Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.
7. Argonath administration team will devote their time primarily to keep players following the guidelines. They apply for this knowingly, and will be given rights and levels according to their devotion, ability to help out others and follow the guidelines given to them. Admin rights shall never be given as reward or to show status. Promotions in the admin team will be based on the perception of the developers and main admins, and shall not be given based on seniority. If at any time admins feel not able to continue their devotion to admin guidelines, they are invited to resign. Resigning from admin rights or losing them should not reflect on the players status or recognition as valuable member of the community.
8. Argonath recognizes that a part of the community is underage. There for the following shall be prohibited:
a. Swearing, flaming and insulting. Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only, administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.
b. Promotion of usage of alcohol, drugs and other stimulating substances. We respect the freedom of choice, however people should be respecting that others who have different beliefs and choices have this right as well
c. Explicit sexual content. While within roleplay and discussion a certain freedom is granted, the underage community should be protected from eplicit sexual actions or content.
d. Cyberharrasment, stalking and bullying of players based on their belief, views, race or choices in life.
9. Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations. This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.
10. Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.
I hope everyone will take the time to read this, and take this as their core values.
Read it and understand it.
Here, Giac dear sir. I respect Argonath vision, and I RP to my maximum and coexist with all Argonath players.
Argonath made it free, loosen, and I respect that eases a lot of characters In game, but there are some of us that like serious RP.So we gather and RP together. The misunderstanding come when a text book RPer meets a free RPer. Which is in this case. None can force RP on other. Free RPer must not force RP on a text book RPer and vice versa.
Dave, that is a poor attempt to provoke. You can do it better, I'm sure. Now go to wiki pedia, please, I shared my source of knowledge with you.
I am not provoking, I am simply asking for your definition of roleplay, to prove to me, and the rest of the people here that you know what it actually means.
Oh and, Wikipedia =/= Argonath
The "niggas" who changed the topic were Giac and Dave, as they started to make fun out of Gvardia style of RP.
With a valid argument, might I add.
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Dave, that is a poor attempt to provoke. You can do it better, I'm sure. Now go to wiki pedia, please, I shared my source of knowledge with you.
am i missing something, are u seeing things i dont? :poke:
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Holy shit this topic only requested a Clarification on "Can't Force RP rule" and then turned out into who rps and definitions about it holy shi' you guys should smoke doobies and lay off the forum
Don't take any of what i said offensive or sum shit
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With a valid argument, might I add.
Wikipedia = Argonath. How did Argonath become RP if not through an idea?
Modified idea if I may add.
Yes you may.
Running around with weapons 24/7, shooting cops, causing fights and ignoring administration....what are you then?
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YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
Like this:
/l [[ yo dawg i herd i liek ooc [[ so I put ooc in ur ooc ]] so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
Also for all you ignorants, who don't read my posts. I never said I FORCE someone to RP ZOMFG SRSBSNS. I represent few of those who use OOC and IC.I actually stand beside Gvardia because of the whole OOC and IC mocking. If they like it, they use it. This is a game for god sakes.
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Wikipedia = Argonath. How did Argonath become RP if not through an idea?
Clearly, you know nothing of Argonath's history, or the history of the people who created it.
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Wikipedia = Argonath. How did Argonath become RP if not through an idea?
Modified idea if I may add.
Also for all you ignorants, who don't read my posts. I never said I FORCE someone to RP ZOMFG SRSBSNS. I represent few of those who use OOC and IC.I actually stand beside Gvardia because of the whole OOC and IC mocking. If they like it, they use it. This is a game for god sakes.
Welcome to the club, Dave.
Argonath is RPG, but it evolved from the roots of RP. Through time Argonath shaped and became as it is today.
For this I used common sense.
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Ahh Gandalf you're wrong there,sorry.Gvardia will never co-operate with SAPD against an enemy.Yes we co-operate at traffic stops and all but no that's impossible to do..And don't forget SAPD is like 1/3 of all cops.Not everyone has the knowledge of an experienced cop who knows what and when to do.
Really ?
Lets suggest that a corrupt president has made the plan to take over your HQ, and hires a very heavy armed group of citizens in order to constantly attack and threaten you until you leave it out.
As it has the President's support, they have a nearly unlimited supply of weapons.
The only single way to get rid of them is by working together with SAPD to arrest them.
You will not cooperate ? :devroll:
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Really ?
Lets suggest that a corrupt president has made the plan to take over your HQ, and hires a very heavy armed group of citizens in order to constantly attack and threaten you until you leave it out.
As it has the President's support, they have a nearly unlimited supply of weapons.
The only single way to get rid of them is by working together with SAPD to arrest them.
You will not cooperate ? :devroll:
This should be an official event :lol:
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Really ?
Lets suggest that a corrupt president has made the plan to take over your HQ, and hires a very heavy armed group of citizens in order to constantly attack and threaten you until you leave it out.
As it has the President's support, they have a nearly unlimited supply of weapons.
The only single way to get rid of them is by working together with SAPD to arrest them.
You will not cooperate ? :devroll:
Of course we bloody wont. You forgot who you messing with big brother. :evil:
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Of course we bloody wont. You forgot who you messing with big brother. :evil:
Lol, Gvardia Don Against Argonath President :o
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Welcome to the club, Dave.
Argonath is RPG, but it evolved from the roots of RP. Through time Argonath shaped and became as it is today.
For this I used common sense.
When Argonath opened there was no Wikipedia article on RP. :lol:
Role Play is playing a fictional or non-fictional character which you are not.
A Multiplayer Role Playing Game is an environment where people who Role Play meet to play together and act out virtual or historic situations.
As such Argonath fully complies with the definition of Role Play Game.
The definition of professional is that you perform this as (daily) job for payment, there for there are no professional role players allowed on Argonath.
The essence of Role Play is not staying constantly in one character while sitcking to a group of friends and refusing to interact with those you do not know or like.
The essence is to explore constantly new situations, meet new people and interact with anyone you meet on server. You are not bound by a single character, however comfortable that is for inexperienced or low-skilled role players. Even within a single skin you can change your character and way of interacting constantly. People who have limited skills often wish to compensate this by inventing and requiring a set of strict rules in order to force others in to their habits, which they then try to elevate above those who do not need or wish to follow them. It shows insecurity, limited skills and lack of improvisational talent.
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Really ?
Lets suggest that a corrupt president has made the plan to take over your HQ, and hires a very heavy armed group of citizens in order to constantly attack and threaten you until you leave it out.
As it has the President's support, they have a nearly unlimited supply of weapons.
The only single way to get rid of them is by working together with SAPD to arrest them.
You will not cooperate ? :devroll:
Haha you are abit funny, lets suggest that we send aliens from Mars to kill the president so we can take over the goverment. How does that sound sir? :rofl:
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Of course we bloody wont. You forgot who you messing with big brother. :evil:
You forget who you are messing with....
/me checks his basement for illegal RPG's
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When Argonath opened there was no Wikipedia article on RP. :lol:
Role Play is playing a fictional or non-fictional character which you are not.
A Multiplayer Role Playing Game is an environment where people who Role Play meet to play together and act out virtual or historic situations.
As such Argonath fully complies with the definition of Role Play Game.
The definition of professional is that you perform this as (daily) job for payment, there for there are no professional role players allowed on Argonath.
The essence of Role Play is not staying constantly in one character while sitcking to a group of friends and refusing to interact with those you do not know or like.
The essence is to explore constantly new situations, meet new people and interact with anyone you meet on server. You are not bound by a single character, however comfortable that is for inexperienced or low-skilled role players. Even within a single skin you can change your character and way of interacting constantly. People who have limited skills often wish to compensate this by inventing and requiring a set of strict rules in order to force others in to their habits, which they then try to elevate above those who do not need or wish to follow them. It shows insecurity, limited skills and lack of improvisational talent.
Well you got some good points there about changing characters, for example inside the criminal word. One day you are a drug dealer, next you are a hitman and doing special tasks for money.
Actually I change my character every day, it happens. I taking the roleplay who is coming.
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You forget who you are messing with....
/me checks his basement for illegal RPG's
Haha :rofl:
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When Argonath opened there was no Wikipedia article on RP. :lol:
Role Play is playing a fictional or non-fictional character which you are not.
A Multiplayer Role Playing Game is an environment where people who Role Play meet to play together and act out virtual or historic situations.
As such Argonath fully complies with the definition of Role Play Game.
The definition of professional is that you perform this as (daily) job for payment, there for there are no professional role players allowed on Argonath.
The essence of Role Play is not staying constantly in one character while sitcking to a group of friends and refusing to interact with those you do not know or like.
The essence is to explore constantly new situations, meet new people and interact with anyone you meet on server. You are not bound by a single character, however comfortable that is for inexperienced or low-skilled role players. Even within a single skin you can change your character and way of interacting constantly. People who have limited skills often wish to compensate this by inventing and requiring a set of strict rules in order to force others in to their habits, which they then try to elevate above those who do not need or wish to follow them. It shows insecurity, limited skills and lack of improvisational talent.
The bold part I never disputed. read my post and find if I said anything against that.
Its just that Dave doesn't know he's speaking with a guy who even played Pen to paper RP :lol:
About the professional RPers, give me my payment :redface:
I didn't mean professional as in that term. I meant serious, I got carried away in picking words.
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Its just that Dave doesn't know he's speaking with a guy who even played Pen to paper RP :lol:
And that matter's why? Pen to paper RP =/= Argonath RP. ;)
Can't you see the point we're trying to get at here?
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You forget who you are messing with....
/me checks his basement for illegal RPG's
Don't bother , we nicked it last night. :D
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And that matter's why? Pen to paper RP =/= Argonath RP. ;)
Can't you see the point we're trying to get at here?
No, sir. I said "even", that means I have 6 years of RP experience. Including <L__P-Insert server here> 2 years.
I can't see the point. I was just sticking in defense of OOC and IC, and those who want to use it. I never said "There are no srsbsns RPers here, imma outta here". I feel happy when someone RPs with me, rather then receiving payday, and I never played lotto, because I think money = bad luck. :lol:
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No, sir. I said "even", that means I have 6 years of RP experience. Including <L__P-Insert server here> 2 years.
I can't see the point. I was just sticking in defense of OOC and IC, and those who want to use it. I never said "There are no srsbsns RPers here, imma outta here"
Stick with it all you want, but it goes against the Argonath Vision...
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Stick with it all you want, but it goes against the Argonath Vision...
Let me picture my idea for better understanding.
It was made in paint.
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Black is all that belongs to RP, you think of it, everything. Argonath is the white square inside. While you have to have a good eye to understand the picture. White color is because it differs from all other RP servers, and the rest are black because they somehow shape indirect impact, on our player drain. So players shaped Argonath, not Argonath itself.
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The players chaped Argonath - correct. Those players were the very first in 2006/07. Other players then tried to shape the community more much to the dislike of the owners, which is why the Argonath Vision was made public, to make Argonath a server that is different from all the rest...not one that is shaped by the players who draw in other ideas from other servers.
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The players chaped Argonath - correct. Those players were the very first in 2006/07. Other players then tried to shape the community more much to the dislike of the owners, which is why the Argonath Vision was made public, to make Argonath a server that is different from all the rest...not one that is shaped by the players who draw in other ideas from other servers.
With your words, you show a freight of loosing Argonath's uniqueness. As long as there are veterans players that could not happen, and the server owners of course. Argonath has its own integrity and sovereignty. People can propose ideas. You don't have to accept it. Sources from many scripts do not have to be from a specific server. They can be made by independent scripters, but as I see Argonath has similar scripts to LXXP(and other servers) I don't see a problem why not?its the players that carry this community. They will determine the next step.
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Running around with weapons 24/7, shooting cops, causing fights and ignoring administration....what are you then?
You as an administrator should know not to post shit like this shit. You are supposing to help players yet you are making it worse.
Happening 2: Unless the cops had no valid reason to pull you over or stop you (and seeing a car full of Gvardia is NOT a valid reason) there is no reason not to RP with them. The general style of Gvardia of trying to be badasses whenever they meet a cop invites cops to treat them with strict and hard answers. That is not the fault of the cops.
Then at this point the cops were wrong since they didn't have a valid reason, nor was one given. If they gave us a valid reason then maybe the rp would've went well. Not just because they saw some of us armed, doesn't mean they can stop us because we are Gvardia.
Cmon Dolfa, do you guys wanna work with DPD with common enemy being mexicans ? You wanna unique RP where we get together here it is :)
We are a criminal group.... No we don't want to work with cops, it's part of our role play.
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Running around with weapons 24/7, shooting cops, causing fights and ignoring administration....what are you then?
Indeed a good way to change subjects and create some good arguments, kind sir.
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With your words, you show a freight of loosing Argonath's uniqueness. As long as there are veterans players that could not happen, and the server owners of course. Argonath has its own integrity and sovereignty. People can propose ideas. You don't have to accept it. Sources from many scripts do not have to be from a specific server. They can be made by independent scripters, but as I see Argonath has similar scripts to LXXP(and other servers) I don't see a problem why not?its the players that carry this community. They will determine the next step.
The veteran players and administrators are there to enforce and defend the Vision.
You as an administrator should know not to post shit like this shit. You are supposing to help players yet you are making it worse.
Don't blame me for stating my honest opinion from experience of having to deal with you people as an admin. Going behind admins backs to carry out prohibited gang wars and conflict...tsk tsk.
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I can evade it. Easily. I can just say "no" and walk off, and if I get shot and killed - it is deathmatch. Simple. I know the rules and i've been enforcing them for nearly 4 years on and off.
So why is it not allowed when we do it ?
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So why is it not allowed when we do it ?
Because you're not a busy admin. ;)
It isn't allowed if you're a criminal and have cleearly broken a law, no matter how small the law is. Just like in real life, huh? I though you would like that.
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So why is it not allowed when we do it ?
Because cops can force RP...
Look:
- If you don't comply, you get suspected.
- If you say "Sorry, I don't want to RP with you", you get suspected for evading.
Everything you do, give the cop a reason to suspect you... I'd say you to report him, but as cops are always right, I'd not do that (A).
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Don't blame me for stating my honest opinion from experience of having to deal with you people as an admin. Going behind admins backs to carry out prohibited gang wars and conflict...tsk tsk.
Here you go again with your bullshit you should really shut the fuck up, this is not how an admin should act.
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Here you go again with your bullshit you should really shut the f**k up, this is not how an admin should act.
Flaming was one of the ban reasons. I suggest you start calming down, or the unban request will fall through, understand?
How should an admin act then? The way I am acting right now is no different from when I always acted, and I have never had any trouble with that. My attitude has always been like this....maybe it's because I was trained by and learned from Aragorn...not sure.
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Flaming was one of the ban reasons. I suggest you start calming down, or the unban request will fall through, understand?
I am calm, now don't bring out the "your not gonna not get unbanned" card on me and stick to the topic mate.
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Flaming was one of the ban reasons. I suggest you start calming down, or the unban request will fall through, understand?
His rage is understandable since you provoked Gvardia before, what you expected him to do, give you some flowers? :lol:
I think this thread was already answered... wasn't it?
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His rage is understandable since you provoked Gvardia before, what you expected him to do, give you some flowers? :lol:
I think this thread was already answered... wasn't it?
The answer was given, but people in this thread still fail to understand and accept said answer.
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The answer was given, but people in this thread still fail to understand and accept said answer.
They don't agree, but they have nothing to do but swallow it, nothing can be done...
In my eyes, this should be locked before it becomes a whinning thread again.
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Flaming was one of the ban reasons. I suggest you start calming down, or the unban request will fall through, understand?
In order to receive respect, i suggest you give it out. Time for you to remove those blinders of yours and look at the big picture instead of only a fragment of it. Your comments about how people role play are insulting, your an admin, show some respect...oh and...grow up.
Void, i agree with pretty much everything you have said. Although it is pointless to argue with Dave because he always has his blinders on. Your better off ignoring his comments and letting him ramble on until he takes them off and can hold a conversation where we can progress instead of bickering back and forth. Just from what i have read from page 1 to now.
Now as far as the original thing, Cops forcing the car full of Gvardia's to role play. If a cop uses /su on a civilian, and the civilian has proof (video) he did nothing wrong, then that video should be turned in and the cop should receive a ban for Script Abuse. Since it is bannable.
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I think this thread was already answered... wasn't it?
Yeah it was a few pages back.
Roleplay how you want just don't force your style onto others and take offense when they don't go along with your's.
Personally I hate OOC // IC and this S/F Bullshit but I still use it well not the S/F.. as that is complete bullshit altogether.
Why do we always have the same arguments over and over it's getting tiring.
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Yeah it was a few pages back.
Roleplay how you want just don't force your style onto others and take offense when they don't go along with your's.
Personally I hate OOC // IC and this S/F Bullshit but I still use it well not the S/F.. as that is complete bullshit altogether.
Why do we always have the same arguments over and over it's getting tiring.
I used to use S/F, until i went back to the ways of my old rp when i was like 13-14 and all. People can use their imagination and even add realism or since this is a game, do something that you have seen in some action movie. If i /me goes to cut so and so's hand off, he can move his hand away, if he does i can have someone hold it (in a torturing scene) and then go to cut it off. Instead of going 'Don't force rp' he can do /me bites (guy holding his arm)'s Wrist, obviously guy would flip out if he broke skin or he may have a watch on and be like /s You broke my Rolex watch!. I mean seriously, people just need to use their imagination and have fun instead of bickering. Some people also need to set good examples because we have new people coming into this community all the time. Like i said, have fun.
Although i do agree with ooc and IC, because IRL im not a Serbian Mobster who lives in Argonath. IRL im a White/Native American guy who is going to school for Criminal Justice. I don't rp myself in Argonath, if i did...what would be my point in roleplaying lol.
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To clarify on OOC & IC principles - whilst they are not supported officially, you are permitted to use them providing you do not enforce the concept upon others. As a result, you must learn to tailor your RP as well as embracing others forms at the same time. :)
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Idea: go the hell away. you be a damned crybaby to me when I say one thing or say something about you because your such a hypocrite, but its ok for you to flame and provoke? Your a real class act, Dave. Its funny how you come into a topic and start shitting on groups. how about we shit on you? you would like that? Or would you ban us for defending ourselves after YOU provoked and flamed us? People like you really are saddening... you care when others rulebreak but its fine when you do it.
omg guys im gona say u rulebreak and threaten a ban but then im gonna provoke and flame and rulebreak like u so i can be cool OKAY!??!!?
^ you like people making fun of you? And [s/f] is used to lessen the forced roleplay so the one who is needing to reply s / f can decide if he wants to or not. So stop BSing about us and look at yourself.
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Flaming was one of the ban reasons. I suggest you start calming down, or the unban request will fall through, understand?
How should an admin act then? The way I am acting right now is no different from when I always acted, and I have never had any trouble with that. My attitude has always been like this....maybe it's because I was trained by and learned from Aragorn...not sure.
This is not his unban request, this is a topic about right and wrong in a way of seeing things from the other perspective.
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Now people answered Dave's provokations, now he'll reply again and then a war is started...
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Indeed a good way to change subjects and create some good arguments, kind sir.
Very much indeed. as I stated it before.
This also happened in the Advertisement topic, and Dave starting to pulling out Omri's dirty past.
Frank: You need to tailor RP in between it. By respecting others RP and nurturing yours, something can go wrong, similar to this case.
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Now people answered Dave's provokations, now he'll reply again and then a war is started...
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Well why not answer them? And a war over forum is unesseracy really. But he started, nothing to do about it.
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Well why not answer them? And a war over forum is unesseracy really. But he started, nothing to do about it.
You're totally right, as he started it...
As many of you seek freedom on forums, because if you try to have a discussion with the said person in-game, you'll probably get punished :razz:
Although, you should ignore and report him instead of answering... Easier to say than to do, though.
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You guys talk about respect and how you want people to respect you and don't do that and this.
Look at yourselfs.
Respect the way of roleplaying, why give a damn if a guy doesn't roleplay as you. Then do the best out of the situation. Either if he roleplays with S/F shit, or trololololol style. It's a game, and all of you are here to have fun. Appreciate that this server even exist, and you could spend hours and hours on it, instead of moaning how bad and how fucking ridicolous people roleplay. Stand up as a community and don't start putting this side there, and the other one there. Get yourself together.
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^ you like people making fun of you? And [s/f] is used to lessen the forced roleplay so the one who is needing to reply s / f can decide if he wants to or not. So stop BSing about us and look at yourself.
On the contrary. S/F is a clear attempt to force roleplay, also it slows down roleplay considerably as the person the action is directed to seems to have to reply before continuing. SA:MP is not turn-based RP where you roll the dice on actions. It is also not a place where you should have just two options.
Where the IC/OOC is a crutch for people without brains, the S/F is something I seriously consider banning from use as it indicated forcing a player in to your scenario.
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S/F is not attempt to force role play . It offers for player roleplay , if You don't see difference between Powergame and normal roleplay attempt , You really should think about it . That's how random Roleplays are born.
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On the contrary. S/F is a clear attempt to force roleplay, also it slows down roleplay considerably as the person the action is directed to seems to have to reply before continuing. SA:MP is not turn-based RP where you roll the dice on actions. It is also not a place where you should have just two options.
Where the IC/OOC is a crutch for people without brains, the S/F is something I seriously consider banning from use as it indicated forcing a player in to your scenario.
You got the wrong concept of role playing.
You just show how lazy you are to RP by typing, Gandalf. Crutch for brainless people? OOC and IC really eases RP, and it is indeed necessary to establish a successful conversation, because if I say some gangster "Nig**r" he can start moaning or report me "OMG saying I'm nig**r, racist", and I would start to justify that was IC. OOC/IC means understanding/direction/getting the maximum out of the situation. You are just making Facebook out of Argonath, by saying this. DOn't judge us, we RP how we want, you RP how you want. Nobody touches nobody.
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S/F is not attempt to force role play . It offers for player roleplay , if You don't see difference between Powergame and normal roleplay attempt , You really should think about it . That's how random Roleplays are born.
You don't need to use S/F. Instead use your noggin and figure out a way to roleplay in return, as i said in my previous post. Also you guys need to have fun instead of complaining. If its a new player then help him out and teach him how to roleplay if he/she needs help with it.
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S/F is not attempt to force role play . It offers for player roleplay , if You don't see difference between Powergame and normal roleplay attempt , You really should think about it . That's how random Roleplays are born.
It is actually a form of forced roleplay and powergaming. Why ?
RP without S/F:
/me pushes Likvidy
Likvidy stumbles but manages to stay on his feed.
RP with S/F
/me ushes Likvidy
/em S/f ???
Likvidy: /em sucess
Gandalf: [[do /hurt1]
It shows clearly that by this I am forcing you in to my pre-thought scneario without giving room for improvisation and initiative. As such is is powergaming and forced roleplay.
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It is actually a form of forced roleplay and powergaming. Why ?
RP without S/F:
/me pushes Likvidy
Likvidy stumbles but manages to stay on his feed.
RP with S/F
/me ushes Likvidy
/em S/f ???
Likvidy: /em sucess
Gandalf: [[do /hurt1]
It shows clearly that by this I am forcing you in to my pre-thought scneario without giving room for improvisation and initiative. As such is is powergaming and forced roleplay.
The bold part is what you consider a force. 85% of the players on this server know commands, I believe Likvidy as an example would know what to do next when you push him.let me show you how I would do it.
*Void approaches Gandalf
*Void hesitates a little holding a cigarette in his hand
*Gandalf looks at Void confused
Void: Dude, got a lighter?
*Gandalf searches his pockets
/em nothing ( Gandalf )
Gandalf: Sorry bro, i left it somewhere
/me stomps his leg on the ground and walks away angry.
Second situation with S/F.
*Void approaches Gandalf behind his back
*Void reaches his hand in attempt for Gandalf's wallet
*Void tries to snatch the wallet carefully as possible
/em S/F ( The part where Gandalf could feel someone is behind his back, the bridge situation in RP )
*Gandalf turns around rapidly
*Void looks at him and smiles
*Gandalf punches Void
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You got the wrong concept of role playing.
You just show how lazy you are to RP by typing, Gandalf. Crutch for brainless people? OOC and IC really eases RP, and it is indeed necessary to establish a successful conversation, because if I say some gangster "Nig**r" he can start moaning or report me "OMG saying I'm nig**r, racist", and I would start to justify that was IC. OOC/IC means understanding/direction/getting the maximum out of the situation. You are just making Facebook out of Argonath, by saying this. DOn't judge us, we RP how we want, you RP how you want. Nobody touches nobody.
You are the one who is lazy, as you do not want to use your brains for deciding if something is roleplay or real. As for saying ni**er, cursing and racism is strictly forbidden, regardless if it is IC or OOC.
Our main objection for using IC and OOC is that there are numerous player who wish to use it in order to get away with flaming, swearing and cursing because 'it is IC'. The result of such behaviour is that people and groups actually register this in their brains as real, which is one cause for the current cops vs criminals discussion.
If we strictly enforce the rules on no swearing/cursing the is no reason to make any difference.
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The bold part is what you consider a force. 85% of the players on this server know commands, I believe Likvidy as an example would know what to do next when you push him.
Your brain seem not to register that I am giving an example on how many player think they are playing correct, while they are actually powergaming and forcing roleplay.
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You know Gandalf... sometimes your RP style really gets boring , if you will be superman , and you will do success everything . Roleplayer who uses S/F don't makes himself superman to kill other roleplayer's imagination . If you fail , you attempt something else . If you don't respect that type of Roleplay . Don't await to get respected by me. Everyone got their own styles of RP which should be respected . If powergaming wouldn't kill kill roleplay , then that word wouldn't exist and it wouldn't be acted as rulebreak on other RP Servers.
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The bold part is what you consider a force. 85% of the players on this server know commands, I believe Likvidy as an example would know what to do next when you push him.let me show you how I would do it.
*Void approaches Gandalf
*Void hesitates a little holding a cigarette in his hand
*Gandalf looks at Void confused
Void: Dude, got a lighter?
*Gandalf searches his pockets
/em nothing ( Gandalf )
Gandalf: Sorry bro, i left it somewhere
/me stomps his leg on the ground and walks away angry.
Second situation with S/F.
*Void approaches Gandalf behind his back
*Void reaches his hand in attempt for Gandalf's wallet
*Void tries to snatch the wallet carefully as possible
/em S/F ( The part where Gandalf could feel someone is behind his back, the bridge situation in RP )
*Gandalf turns around rapidly
*Void looks at him and smiles
*Gandalf punches Void
Again with your theory of forcing. Addition to my post.
This is a role play situation. Tell me, you are a machine so you can recognize what is IC and OOC every time someone approaches for RP or says something to you. Seriously? Respect us, I don't know why you call us "cripples" without brain. If that's someone style, it is his style, it should be respected.
About the brain registering: What has players style have to do with servers commands? If the player is tackled, his brain will know that he needs to do a command to stumble, defend or fell down(Depending what both parties agree on RP)
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ArgonathRPG is not an anarchy portal... It is a well organized community with its owners... Do not like our work and rules - leave...
You do not agree with what the owner is saying, you do not have to stay. You also fail to realise that in that quote, when you are asked to leave - there is no declining it. Either you start respecting what this server stands for, and the owners and administrators decisions, or you will find yourself no longer within the community.
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Second situation with S/F.
*Void approaches Gandalf behind his back
*Void reaches his hand in attempt for Gandalf's wallet
*Void tries to snatch the wallet carefully as possible
*Gandalf turns around rapidly
*Void looks at him and smiles
*Gandalf punches Void
Fixed.
Dave let them finish their conversation/debate. Its going quite smoothly and Gandalf is explaining what he means while Void explains what he means. Instead of you busting in with a quote demanding that if he dislikes it he should leave lol.
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You do not agree with what the owner is saying, you do not have to stay. You also fail to realise that in that quote, when you are asked to leave - there is no declining it. Either you start respecting what this server stands for, and the owners and administrators decisions, or you will find yourself no longer within the community.
You seriously don't read posts Dave. Who/When/Where? Find where did I disagree with Argonath rules. I am trying to prove there is nothing different from free flow RP and strict RP, and that they can coexist together. Why do you think, no better yet tell me what do you think because I can't see you from hiding behind owners back. I thought we've solved your insult on Gvardia? I don't know why are you full of hostility. Disrespecting who? Ever heard of debate? or you just consider everything disrespect? This is a simple chat, a conversation about RP. Although it does not belong to the topic. I am not trying to show the REAL RP, there is no real RP. I am trying to prove stated above.
Last time I reply to you, until you read my replies(and I mean WHOLE, every word).
Regards,
Versetti: Yes it can go that way either, depending on the players needs in RP. :)
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You know Gandalf... sometimes your RP style really gets boring , if you will be superman , and you will do success everything . Roleplayer who uses S/F don't makes himself superman to kill other roleplayer's imagination . If you fail , you attempt something else . If you don't respect that type of Roleplay . Don't await to get respected by me. Everyone got their own styles of RP which should be respected . If powergaming wouldn't kill kill roleplay , then that word wouldn't exist and it wouldn't be acted as rulebreak on other RP Servers.
S/F is equal to powergaming, which is why is should be forbidden.
You do not need to ask everything S/F in order to get a reply, and by just writing your action you leave the other players full possibility to react positive or negative as they want without having to tye extra lines, or without giving you a chance to continue whatever actions you pre-programmed.
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Very much indeed. as I stated it before.
This also happened in the Advertisement topic, and Dave starting to pulling out Omri's dirty past.
Frank: You need to tailor RP in between it. By respecting others RP and nurturing yours, something can go wrong, similar to this case.
Actually, Giac brought it up, I followed up, to at which point Ronnel followed closley behind, and then it was finished by Aragorn. Do not blame one person for a collective group's actions...or are you too scared to blame and accuse Gandalf and Aragorn for anything?
Idea: go the hell away. you be a damned crybaby to me when I say one thing or say something about you because your such a hypocrite, but its ok for you to flame and provoke? Your a real class act, Dave. Its funny how you come into a topic and start shitting on groups. how about we shit on you? you would like that? Or would you ban us for defending ourselves after YOU provoked and flamed us? People like you really are saddening... you care when others rulebreak but its fine when you do it.
omg guys im gona say u rulebreak and threaten a ban but then im gonna provoke and flame and rulebreak like u so i can be cool OKAY!??!!?
^ you like people making fun of you? And [s/f] is used to lessen the forced roleplay so the one who is needing to reply s / f can decide if he wants to or not. So stop BSing about us and look at yourself.
Hm, I am not provoking, I am simply giving a counter-argument that you cannot comprehend nor grasp the concept of. You flame me ingame over a forum matter, or provoke me, I have all rights to ban you right on the spot. As I have told many people before forum =/= Ingame. Testing my patience ingame is not a good idea, as I may not just ban you. I have other ways to deal with provokers and complainers. And why cry over anything? Why complain or sit there and take what you throw at me. I'm perfectly entitled to deal with it myself as an administrator.
Argonath administration team will devote their time primarily to keep players following the guidelines. They apply for this knowingly, and will be given rights and levels according to their devotion, ability to help out others and follow the guidelines given to them. Admin rights shall never be given as reward or to show status. Promotions in the admin team will be based on the perception of the developers and main admins, and shall not be given based on seniority. If at any time admins feel not able to continue their devotion to admin guidelines, they are invited to resign. Resigning from admin rights or losing them should not reflect on the players status or recognition as valuable member of the community.
Clearly I am doing something correct because I am still on the team....and I found it easy to get back into the team. Alot of you are probably too used to this generations newer "softer" and "light hearted" admins. I'm from a different wave altogether, I'm from Wave 1 SA:MP 2007 and Wave 4 MTA 2006, along with Giac. Our training is totally different from now, our outlook is different, and our methods of punishment and dealing with situations reflects those of the people who trained us - the owners.
I am an Ex-Developer, not an ex-admin, which gives me a entirely different look from the others, and allows me to see things through the perspective of the owners. Also, for your information, I did not get fired, I did not get forced to resign, I did not rage quit or anything of the sort, I stood down because of a death in my family.
Well why not answer them? And a war over forum is unesseracy really. But he started, nothing to do about it.
There is no war, only a valid counter argument through my eyes, and through the eyes of many others believe it or not.
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S/F is equal to powergaming, which is why is should be forbidden.
You do not need to ask everything S/F in order to get a reply, and by just writing your action you leave the other players full possibility to react positive or negative as they want without having to tye extra lines, or without giving you a chance to continue whatever actions you pre-programmed.
For every action there is a reaction.
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S/F is equal to powergaming, which is why is should be forbidden.
You do not need to ask everything S/F in order to get a reply, and by just writing your action you leave the other players full possibility to react positive or negative as they want without having to tye extra lines, or without giving you a chance to continue whatever actions you pre-programmed.
The line/nit of role playing situation direction doesn't need to be broken. Only if a player is distracted.
He can simply reply(I said can, not must - Message for Dave). /em S or /em F.
More simple is that he executes the task without /em S/F, which will not distract the situation.
Dave: I am blaming the source, and you said "Giac, started it" I'm sick of it. If you want to say something to me use PM instead, I have a low pressure, I don't need you replying to a word out of my post of 230 sentences. Because that's what you do. You grasp a little word and bite like a mosquito. Use PM instead, thank you.
or are you too scared to blame and accuse Gandalf and Aragorn for anything?
Why would I? Gandalf and Aragorn continued the conversation you started. They are human beings, persons with a family, with a life. Just like you and me. I don't have anything to blame them for.
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As far as the 2nd Happening goes, eugene you left out a very solid piece of evidence.
I had pulled over a car on mako span (ls/lv highway) and was Rping a traffic stop when you eugene, another gvardia and joe_gvardia rolled up on my traffic stop and boxed in my car and car i pulled over, you then stepped out, cornered me and atleast joe pulled out a combat, then once the car i stopped took off (left the rp) you guys took off, i /su joe for brandishing weapon and gave chase, we lost joe but found you and your gvardia friend near blueberry and then did a felony stop , in addition you (i believe) called in extra gvardia who came to ruin the RP(showed up and didnt wanna rp at first), so it went from a felony stop (2-3 gvardia in a car) to 5 gvardias and yeah .. thats the reason you see that response, also reason we waited to /su was we were looking for more backup as 5 cops vs 5 gvardia is a endless gunbattle, however once we did /su you, you didnt even bother to RP it, you decided to just run n gun.
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I pass to talk about it . It's going to nothing because there are some people who don't respect other RP Styles and call it as "no fun" . That's just word wasting . Bye.
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*Void approaches Gandalf
*Void hesitates a little holding a cigarette in his hand
*Gandalf looks at Void confused
Void: Dude, got a lighter?
*Gandalf searches his pockets
/em nothing ( Gandalf )
Gandalf: Sorry bro, i left it somewhere
/me stomps his leg on the ground and walks away angry.
Second situation with S/F.
*Void approaches Gandalf behind his back
*Void reaches his hand in attempt for Gandalf's wallet
*Void tries to snatch the wallet carefully as possible
/em S/F ( The part where Gandalf could feel someone is behind his back, the bridge situation in RP )
*Gandalf turns around rapidly
*Void looks at him and smiles
*Gandalf punches Void
Does the RP really need that line I crossed out? Can you explain me how it is in any way useful except if you wish to make turn-based RP ?
Again with your theory of forcing. Addition to my post.
This is a role play situation. Tell me, you are a machine so you can recognize what is IC and OOC every time someone approaches for RP or says something to you. Seriously? Respect us, I don't know why you call us "cripples" without brain. If that's someone style, it is his style, it should be respected.
Yes, I can register every time someone approaches me and say something if it is roleplay or not. On the other hand I have a style where people can be confused, for instance when I would warn some Don's to change their behaviour or compensate a player which was taken advantage of.
This was usually solved by the player sending me a PM, which saved a lot of cyberbrackets from being abused.
About the brain registering: What has players style have to do with servers commands? If the player is tackled, his brain will know that he needs to do a command to stumble, defend or fell down(Depending what both parties agree on RP)
Exactly my point. Which is why I do not see any need for asking succes or fail.
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Ok, From my side Eugene that was half story.
If you did not want to RP with us, you should have not done what you were told by cops..
What you did:
Shouted that you would take us all to Court (Action)
Fall on floor on request of us (on stomach) - (Action)
I am not sure if I can call this, you got off ground and got in your cars possibly to trying to escape.. (Was not near to hear.)
And after your car blew up, instead of you guys /GU when suspected you started fighting back..!! Taking out guns and shooting us.. if you did not want to RP or something.. why didn't you just /GU at first?
From this situation how can you say we were forcing RP when you were doing rp actions also? That's what I wonder..
already answered to that in my posts earliers.
True. Same with me. They surrounded my car with shotguns, when I was sitting outside LSPD doing nothing at all, I could have been AFK for all they knew. I
we knew, we saw you run into PD as civil, you got on police duty and got into infernus, we are not blind.
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/em [[[[[[[[[But omg Grz, you have to use OOC chat when doin rps omg]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
/em[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[S/F??????????]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
Running around with weapons 24/7, shooting cops, causing fights and ignoring administration....what are you then?
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
Like this:
/l [[ yo dawg i herd i liek ooc [[ so I put ooc in ur ooc ]] so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
just asking... dave how old are you irl?
and why are you the "leader of community" publicly insulting other people's way of RP and laughing at it? are you showing to others that it is cool to do it?
How should an admin act then?
Frank Hawk
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we knew, we saw you run into PD as civil, you got on police duty and got into infernus, we are not blind.
And I sat stationary for a good....5-6 minutes.
Common sense would have told you I was doing something, especially when I did not respond to your attempts to contact me throu local chat the first 5 or so times.
just asking... dave how old are you irl?
and why are you the "leader of community" publicly insulting other people's way of RP and laughing at it? are you showing to others that it is cool to do it?
Seventeen years old, and I know more about this community's history and values than some Managers and Community Leaders...
Although, my age is of no relevence here. I never said I was "Leader of the Community", and I was not insulting anyone's way of RP. I was simply showing you how that looks through our eyes - un-necessary, silly and just absurd.
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Versetti: Yes it can go that way either, depending on the players needs in RP. :)
Oh boy, Gandalf. Read?
I didn't disagree with the idea of throwing out /em S/F. Depending on the player needs, as my quote shows above.
On the PM basis I can too, register an RP/or not in progress. But if a player approaches you and asks you money in /local? What would you do Gandalf? Would you RP giving him the cash or just /send ID amount - bbye?
Third: If I see a player using brackets, I coop. That's common in RP.
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Solution: Tell everyone in the local area that they should imagine that Dave is still there being the hostage :lol:
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I pass to talk about it . It's going to nothing because there are some people who don't respect other RP Styles and call it as "no fun" . That's just word wasting . Bye.
I know that that is how you regard roleplay without IC/OOC or S/F. :devroll:
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Actually, Giac brought it up, I followed up, to at which point Ronnel followed closley behind, and then it was finished by Aragorn. Do not blame one person for a collective group's actions...or are you too scared to blame and accuse Gandalf and Aragorn for anything?
Hm, I am not provoking, I am simply giving a counter-argument that you cannot comprehend nor grasp the concept of. You flame me ingame over a forum matter, or provoke me, I have all rights to ban you right on the spot. As I have told many people before forum =/= Ingame. Testing my patience ingame is not a good idea, as I may not just ban you. I have other ways to deal with provokers and complainers. And why cry over anything? Why complain or sit there and take what you throw at me. I'm perfectly entitled to deal with it myself as an administrator.
I am an Ex-Developer, not an ex-admin, which gives me a entirely different look from the others, and allows me to see things through the perspective of the owners. Also, for your information, I did not get fired, I did not get forced to resign, I did not rage quit or anything of the sort, I stood down because of a death in my family.
So if Giac provoked (regardless I don't think he really meant to, ) you prvooke with him? Sorry but making valid points and not making fun of someone and joking about their style of roleplay. As an ex-developer, wouldn't you believe in being nice? Being nice isn't provoking and flaming people by making fun of their style of roleplay. If you were to say in a VALID way, 'OOC and IC stuff does not exist here and you guys using it is useless' rather than completely shitting on those who use it, ''[OMG BUT GRZEIK U DIDNT USE OOC U GOTTA USE OOC'' or whatever you said. You have no right to flame and provoke MANY people, then turn around and say your going to ban ME? For defending myself? and anyone else who uses what you made fun of? you ban me, you ban yourself, sir. You have provoked me as much as I have provoked you...
EDIT: after seeing Eugene's post, I actually laughed because the 3 quotes together really is funny... and it proves what I'm saying, you go ahead, BAN ME, BUT ON THE CASE YOU BAN YOURSELF ALSO. You provoke Gvardia, proof just in this topic, but you also threaten myself, and others with a ban for provoking you? Admins do not have a right to break rules because they have hard work, and those why critisize them, as you sign up for it when you become an admin, and making the wrong moves or doing what is here, you will not be happy with what you see...
Gandalf, I have honestly seen people use that type of s/f where theyare telling people what to type / do etc, so I understand what you mean. But the way it is supposed to be (or at least how most who know how to use it, use it.):
/me attempts to push over gandalf
/em s / f?
At this point you could choose y / n.
(assuming you choose y) [gandalf]: /me falls | You can do whatever, crouch, do an animation, if not, it doesn't really bother the one taking action because you have already commited to the success of me pushing you over with ''/me falls.''
At least, that is how I use it. If the player who is victim to the action, is confused on what animation to do I would help him out and say something like (try xx or xx).
I also think that we could live without s / f, but wouldn't be using the same thing in a different style? I mean, if there is no s / f, what do we say? /me trips xx. that might as well be called forced RP, so cross that out. And we can't say /me tries to trip xx, because thats just s / f worded differently, correct? And if the player does not want to do the action the one who is attempting to do it, he will have to say in out of character that he doesn't, which could be much easier with /em f. - Of course, the victim of action could do /me manages to not trip and continues walking, but then the one attempting the action would probably end up moaning or saying (omg dude stop breaking up RP every time)
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Oh boy, Gandalf. Read?
I didn't disagree with the idea of throwing out /em S/F. Depending on the player needs, as my quote shows above.
On the PM basis I can too, register an RP/or not in progress. But if a player approaches you and asks you money in /local? What would you do Gandalf? Would you RP giving him the cash or just /send ID amount - bbye?
Third: If I see a player using brackets, I coop. That's common in RP.
Anything that happend in local will be answered with RP. If he asks me money I will, depending on the mood of the day, ask him what he would invvest it in, promise him a million but send it $1 at the time, or call the police to apprehend a bum.
As for using it, if we would wish to fully enforce our style just like other servers wish to enforce theirs, we could. But we let our players enjoy freedom, even about things that we feel are not needed.
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Seventeen years old, and I know more about this community's history and values than some Managers and Community Leaders...
Although, my age is of no relevence here. I never said I was "Leader of the Community", and I was not insulting anyone's way of RP. I was simply showing you how that looks through our eyes - un-necessary, silly and just absurd.
you WERE insulting, at least ''in your own eyes'' because you want to ban me for making fun of you, and you made fun of me and many others who use that for roleplay.
If i say something like ''lol im a cop im gonna shoot all orange because im fucking cool cop'' that is an obvious flame and provoke onto cops.
BUT if I say its just how that looks through criminal eyes, DM silly and unneeded, its fine? Please...
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already answered to that in my posts earliers.
we knew, we saw you run into PD as civil, you got on police duty and got into infernus, we are not blind.
Can you stop the on-topic comments ? :devroll:
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you WERE insulting, at least ''in your own eyes'' because you want to ban me for making fun of you, and you made fun of me and many others who use that for roleplay.
Ehh...I was actually going to ban you for constant provocation ingame...towards basically everything I done last night, or said. :redface:
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Anything that happend in local will be answered with RP. If he asks me money I will, depending on the mood of the day, ask him what he would invvest it in, promise him a million but send it $1 at the time, or call the police to apprehend a bum.
As for using it, if we would wish to fully enforce our style just like other servers wish to enforce theirs, we could. But we let our players enjoy freedom, even about things that we feel are not needed.
Yes!
Thank you for the answer, this was what I wanted to hear from you, and was justifying myself foolishly/futile in front of Dave.
Don't contradict yourself by saying we are cripples who don't have brain, but now you change your opinion and think we are free.
I don't understand you.
Thus we arrive to the conclusion: Those officers should not enforce RP on Gvardias just because they pass them by.
Dave: You are my coeval and you act like you're 14. Amazing.
Congratulations, bro.
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Dave: You are my coeval and you act like you're 14. Amazing.
Congratulations, bro.
I am? Shit...then what age was I acting like when I was 14... Oh, I know 14.
You sir, have ran out of insults and provocations to throw at me, so you are resorting to personal attacks. Good job, although I suggest you don't try that ingame.
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needs a slap in the face and a reality check.
-Dratted
executed as needed
- Gandalf
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Can you stop the on-topic comments ? :devroll:
i was going through page 2-10 and i was quouting what was related to me and replying on it.
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Who gives a flying f**k really, the owners don't give a shit, all main admins are dickheads when it comes to situations like this, live with it and get on with it, its never going to change. Cops do whatever they like and get away scot-free its bullshit. Anyone who tries to argue with the fact needs a slap in the face and a reality check.
-Dratted
might have to put this quote in my sig lol
(no offense gandalf)
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Ehh...I was actually going to ban you for constant provocation ingame...towards basically everything I done last night, or said. :redface:
10-4 but does not change the fact you and I provoked and we both would deserve a ban.
Gandalf does care, I'm sure aragorn does too, but especially Gandalf. THINK FOR A SECOND. All the other topics about this kind of thing? locked... But Gandalf is actually taking time from his life to bother with us and answer us, and reply, give us a conversation over something very important. Most Community Leaders would lock the topic and forget it... Gandalf really does give a damn for us whether you guys want to agree or not, not to mention all the money and time he's spending daily to supply us with fun and lolz.
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might have to put this quote in my sig lol
(no offense gandalf)
No problem... would just lead to the same treatment he got. :devroll:
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Crutch for brainless people? OOC and IC really eases RP
Bingo. Don't you have enough brain power to determine if a "lol" or "I'm eating dinner" is said by the character or the player?
Not good RPer to go hard mode?
OOC/IC means understanding/direction/getting the maximum out of the situation.
If you use it, it means that you don't understand anything and need lines to be extra marked.
if you will be superman , and you will do success everything .
Who said you can't fail without the whole "IC/OOC"/"S/F"/"-gaming" ?
And Gandalf keeps posting most of the stuff I wanted to say myself :roll:
And one more thing - /em is not meant for messages like "Success" or "Fail" or your "OOC chat". I guess the command should be removed since players don't know how to use it.
Who gives a flying f**k really, the owners don't give a shit, all main admins are dickheads when it comes to situations like this, live with it and get on with it, its never going to change. Cops do whatever they like and get away scot-free its bullshit. Anyone who tries to argue with the fact needs a slap in the face and a reality check.
What are you doing here then? LEAVE by your own will, or someone might help you with that.
Don't contradict yourself by saying we are cripples who don't have brain, but now you change your opinion and think we are free.
I don't understand you.
Have you lost your vision because of an instant erection?
, even about things that we feel are not needed.
Thus we arrive to the conclusion: Those officers should not enforce RP on Gvardias just because they pass them by.
No one said that you can "we don't want to rp with you bye" when cops stop you.
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No problem... would just lead to the same treatment he got. :devroll:
muted?
no ty im good :) :devroll:
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Please, guys, i mean it, Give Gandalf a Break..., He's been here all day in this topic. I sugest you be nice to him. His done everything for us. What ever happens his there for us. So please guys, He needs to have a break.
Respect him and Resperct his work his doing For us.
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Please, guys, i mean it, Give Gandalf a Break..., He's been here all day in this topic. I sugest you be nice to him. His done everything for us. What ever happens his there for us. So please guys, He needs to have a break.
Respect him and Resperct his work his doing For us.
what u talking about?
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Please, guys, i mean it, Give Gandalf a Break..., He's been here all day in this topic. I sugest you be nice to him. His done everything for us. What ever happens his there for us. So please guys, He needs to have a break.
Respect him and Resperct his work his doing For us.
what u talking about?
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Yes!
Thank you for the answer, this was what I wanted to hear from you, and was justifying myself foolishly/futile in front of Dave.
Don't contradict yourself by saying we are cripples who don't have brain, but now you change your opinion and think we are free.
I don't understand you.
Thus we arrive to the conclusion: Those officers should not enforce RP on Gvardias just because they pass them by.
Dave: You are my coeval and you act like you're 14. Amazing.
Congratulations, bro.
I also have freedom of speech, so I might think you do need a brain, but that does not make me act cruel towards the brainless. :lol:
As for the enforcing RP, that has been handled a long time ago, and had nothing to do with this discussion. The officers were correct, judging on what Blinky posted.
If really needed I could check the logs, but actually I think people are making smoke screens as they wish to have a way to refuse roleplaying on a role play server.
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Please, guys, i mean it, Give Gandalf a Break..., He's been here all day in this topic. I sugest you be nice to him. His done everything for us. What ever happens his there for us. So please guys, He needs to have a break.
Okay, that was lol.
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I am? Shit...then what age was I acting like when I was 14... Oh, I know 14.
You sir, have ran out of insults and provocations to throw at me, so you are resorting to personal attacks. Good job, although I suggest you don't try that ingame.
I haven't insulted you anywhere, I was stating the truth by you provoking Gvardia.Find a provocation there?
And now threatening me?I said direct your useless posts towards my PM.
Grzesiek: If someone says to you "I will rape you" in local chat, what do you do? Quickly, you have 60 seconds to answer.
I'll upload you my picture of erection so you can see how to have one, or do you Google that already?
I will give you a book recommendation, the title is: Man of measure, IQ and other human misconceptions" - so you can work on yourself.
Pathetic.
For your cynicism, troll, superficial jokes need, send me a PM(For both of you). f**k theory(psychology), I need to start practice, you two can do me an honor and be the first guinea pigs.
From a plain conversation/debate, and suggestion. You can't read simple posts.
Gandalf:You are correct, I do need a brain, when I easily loose it dealing with troll posts.
You can warn me for this, but I had to push back the crap, narrow minded people post.
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Grzesiek: If someone says to you "I will rape you" in local chat, what do you do? Quickly, you have 60 seconds to answer.
I'd probably shout "Ai carramba!" and run hop away.
I'll upload you my picture of erection so you can see how to have one, or do you Google that already?
I will give you a book recommendation, the title is: Man of measure, IQ and other human misconceptions" - so you can work on yourself.
Did I hit your weak spot?
Of course you're very high-IQ and serious because you talk seriously, play serious RP and others around you are just kids. Doesn't change the fact that I can have loads of fun with people hardly speaking broken English.
From a plain conversation/debate, and suggestion. You can't read simple posts.
Says you. Just because I don't agree with your points that you convince others to, doesn't mean "I can't read".
Gandalf:You are correct, I do need a brain, when I easily loose it dealing with troll posts.
You can warn me for this post, but I had to push back the crap, narrow minded people post.
The discussion was about in-game as far as I reckoned, as you don't RP or get pulled over by cops on forums.
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I'd probably shout "Ai carramba!" and run hop away.
Did I hit your weak spot?
Of course you're very high-IQ and serious because you talk seriously, play serious RP and others around you are just kids. Doesn't change the fact that I can have loads of fun with people hardly speaking broken English.
Says you. Just because I don't agree with your points that you convince others to, doesn't mean "I can't read".
The discussion was about in-game as far as I reckoned, as you don't RP or get pulled over by cops on forums.
Thank you for your distinguished opinion, dad. You must be what, a year older then me?
When you get older you'll realize you want to be young again, so does it make a difference?
Broken English? New language? Very interesting.
You reckoned wrong. Because, since 5th page I have nothing to do with the In game incident.
Yes I consider myself a kid, is that a crime?
Cynicism and extended vocabulary is the privilege of adulthood?
You still can't read. Post your stereotypical "wise man" posts, to my PM. This topic has gone off topic enough.
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So... how bout you share each other MSN and stop wasting our nerves, who are totally not interested in your, allow me to say, retarded debate, but only into the solo subject of this topic.
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So... how bout you share each other MSN and stop wasting our nervs who are totally not interested to your allow me to say, retarded debate, but only into the solo subject of this topic.
I suggested PM but MSN will do. I mean it seriously.
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You still can't read.
Says you.
Thank you for your distinguished opinion, dad. You must be what, a year older then me?
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Unless you don't keep a track of what you've posted earlier (amnesia perhaps?), I was referring to what have you posted to Dave.
[...]you act like you're 14. Amazing.
Congratulations, bro.
I guess your whole IC/OOC has its effects on out-game also. Seems that you need to have it clearly shown which sentence refers to which sequence of posts.
You reckoned wrong. Because, since 5th page I have nothing to do with the In game incident.
You're talking about role-playing. You role-play in-game, not on the forums.
You also used "local chat" in the last reply, so apparently it's not sticking only to the forums, since those don't have a local chat.
oh, and broken english = http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=broken+english (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=broken+english)
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c guise...
I respect all forms of Roleplay. I use OOC tags around people who also use them, and I don't use them around people who don't use them. I do this to prevent the absolute stupidity shown in this thread, like "ZOMFG RP OOC NOOB FAGGOT ASS FUCKER GET THE FUCK OUT FUCKING IDIOT TRY CHANGE SERVR FAGGOT IMMATURE NOOB." Apparently, it's failing, as I'm showing no inspiration what so ever.
Don't think I was exaggerating on that statement for one little bit, because I wasn't.
If you could care to show respect for other people's roleplay, rather than thinking your roleplay is superior to every single form existing in the world of Grand Theft Auto Multi Player, whether it be IC/OOC, mixed, none, or just "DM and call it roleplay", this shit wouldn't be going down, and I wouldn't be wasting my finger energy to try to get some sense into some of you.
Although I prefer the "IC/OOC bullshit that's making the server a piece of shit" as you disrespectful arrogant jerks like to call it, I'm willing to accept any kind of roleplay that you confront towards me (except for the "DM and call it roleplay"), as long as you maintain respect, which everyone in this thread has failed to maintain any. As Frank said, there are no rules against the IC/OOC stuff you guys so dreadfully loath. IC/OOC users aren't bitching about your roleplay, and I'm surprised they haven't politely asked one of you "FUCK OOC SHIT" disrespectful scums to shut the fuck up.
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Nice to hear that you're neutral Luigi, but you exaggerated.
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Nice to hear that you're neutral Luigi, but you exaggerated.
Shh, no one was supposed to know
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9r2e5i3k, I hope you received a PM.From now on, I will send you PMs regarding that conversation.
MetalLuigiX, look. Some of my awesome quotes many people missed.
and the fight started since then, because some people like to read superficially.
Look:
I didn't disagree with the idea of throwing out /em S/F. Depending on the player needs, as my quote shows above.
Versetti: Yes it can go that way either, depending on the players needs in RP. :)
This is a simple chat, a conversation about RP. Although it does not belong to the topic. I am not trying to show the REAL RP, there is no real RP. I am trying to prove stated above.
Don't judge us, we RP how we want, you RP how you want. Nobody touches nobody.
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9r2e5i3k, I hope you received a PM.From now on, I will send you PMs regarding that conversation.
MetalLuigiX, look. Some of my awesome quotes many people missed.
and the fight started since then, because some people like to read superficially.
Look:
What I said henceforth does not apply to you.
I don't have the time to read ten pages, thank you very much. :P
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What I said henceforth does not apply to you.
I don't have the time to read ten pages, thank you very much. :P
ok? :(
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ok? :(
love u
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Perhaps we should create a RP scenario where Gvardia and cops will be forced to work together against a common enemy. Standing side by side might improve relations.
I already did that, our common enemy was MIB, we had to find him and i allied with a gvardia to find him! We ended up finding him first :D
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Players on /duty are quite able to "force roleplay" mostly as they wish, as the /su command is quite essentially a mandatory interrupt.
This isn't an aggressive poke at the police, this is a simple fact regarding the nature of the duty and suspection scripts.
/su is an interrupting command, and hence players on duty can use it to push a roleplay situation onto somebody. Thus, situations such as the one described in the OP occur. The same cannot be done in reverse, since criminals and citizens do not have a similar command.
That all said, frankly it's pointless since Squeak executed a perfect /thread right at the start.
Guys, you know perfectly well that cops can do anything and get off scot-free.
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Players on /duty are evidently able to force roleplay mostly as they wish, as the /su command is quite essentially a mandatory interrupt. This isn't an aggressive poke at the police, this is a simple fact:
/su is an interrupting command, and hence players on duty can use it to push a roleplay situation onto somebody. Thus, situations such as the one described in the OP occur.
That all said, frankly it's pointless since Squeak executed a perfect /thread right at the start.
Panda is correct. Nothing to add more. /thread x2
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COMING FROM A COMPLETELY NEUTRAL STANDPOINT
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As a sergeant I can safely say that we can pretty much roleplay with anyone we want, anything we want and if they refuse we can /suspect them without any admins paying attention to the criminals crying 'abuse!' - I've seen it happen before. I'm not saying I actually take advantage of that, but lately I've seen a lot of that with my own eyes - criminals getting abused with no one caring.
Simply by having _Gvardia after your name you have a HUGE disadvantage; that's not a moan, that's a fact.
For example, if you clearly state you refuse to roleplay me questioning you about a murder and drive away I could /su you for evading and tell an admin you were evading while you say you didn't evade and say that forcing roleplay is not allowed - guess who they're going to believe?
Furthermore, if there's an admin on the opposing team, you will always be the rulebreaking side. It's smarter to just take screenshots and take it like a b*tch than go around moaning that the admin is abusing. -- Again, I've witnessed with my own eyes AS the person who's in the team with the admins.
I don't ever recall getting seriously abused by a cop/admin with no one taking actions against it - I've always been on the 'winning' side. I'm not saying that my hands are clean, all I'm saying is that there's a lot going on behind the scenes.
Equality for all players,
Oliver Daniels, veteran of Argonath RPG
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Furthermore, if there's an admin on the opposing team, you will always be the rulebreaking side. It's smarter to just take screenshots and take it like a b*tch than go around moaning that the admin is abusing. -- Again, I've witnessed with my own eyes AS the person who's in the team with the admins.
This is exceptionally true.
However, it's only worth pulling a fernando if you're super, super sure you have some serious shit to screenshot.
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That's because people don't just evade the police to not get wanted.
Criminals' advantage on /su is that the cops have to see them. Cops can't /su someone who they can't see, one of the reasons is that they won't know your ID. And when you're not wanted, cops can't do anything to you. But you people are too busy focusing on what's going on AFTER getting suspected.
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But, it isn't what happens after that is the root of the problem - it is the suspection itself.
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That's because people don't just evade the police to not get wanted.
Criminals' advantage on /su is that the cops have to see them. Cops can't /su someone who they can't see, one of the reasons is that they won't know your ID. And when you're not wanted, cops can't do anything to you. But you people are too busy focusing on what's going on AFTER getting suspected.
Your post makes no sense whatsoever - are you even aware of what the discussion is about?
ON A SIDE NOTE
I forego /su if a guy is shooting at me or just bunnyhop around and /su them with 'aojgiuhrg' or 'auirhgurgbdaf' or 'shot'.
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This topic does not cease to deliver my daily lulz :lol:
Gandalf I still love you
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I thought this thread was just about clarifying the "cant force RP rule"?
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We are a criminal group.... No we don't want to work with cops, it's part of our role play.
I'm sorry, but then you have no idea how a criminal group works.
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ON A SIDE NOTE
I forego /su if a guy is shooting at me or just bunnyhop around and /su them with 'aojgiuhrg' or 'auirhgurgbdaf' or 'shot'.
I used it alot too back in the days.
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That's because people don't just evade the police to not get wanted.
Criminals' advantage on /su is that the cops have to see them. Cops can't /su someone who they can't see, one of the reasons is that they won't know your ID. And when you're not wanted, cops can't do anything to you. But you people are too busy focusing on what's going on AFTER getting suspected.
Have you read what the discussion about? its not WHEN /su is done, its just about /su itself... We can't actually avoid suspection because 1. cop can keep chasing us until he is close enough, and 2. he can request ''any officer who sees xx nearby SUSPECT HIM FOR xxxx'' and then they're fucked. There is no way to escape becoming an /su because the cops can move around, use cars, walk, etc, just like us, and they will always be able to find us.
Think of this: Your walking down a street.. Cop is near you. no one who is willing to give a shit about whats happening. cop can EASILY /su [yourid] assault on officer | if his HP is down some. And it is known the cop is always to be belived over the suspect (as a real rule, if im correct, and this is where the cops use to advantage), so the cop can just claim he really did hit him, AND since it's so unprepared screenshots would be hard to take, the most you could get is you not being close to the cop and getting suspected but they could easily object it because you could have ran away and taken the screenshot.
There will most likely ALWAYS be a way for Cops to force roleplay, even if it is for something the suspected actually did, like if he is pulled over for the conspiracy to assault someone and needs brought in for questioning. Hmm, Forcing RP. If he refuses? /su him and take care of him... Forced roleplay. This is true to EVERY roleplay server which allows cops to make suspections, and really always will be.
I really like what Oliver quoted.. and he really shows his true color as a good player, very well said.
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I'm sorry, but then you have no idea how a criminal group works.
Lol.
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Lol.
Wasn't adressed to you.
I don't think you need to get that explained.
But, if you need explanations how it a criminal group should work, I won't bother writing a book about it, as if:
1) You will say it's wrong
2) You will say it's stupid
3) You will disagree.
In any way possible. So suit yourselves.
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Your post makes no sense whatsoever - are you even aware of what the discussion is about?
You people keep going on how /su is "forcing rp".
Only ones I see moaning about it are KNOWN criminals, which are KNOWN to the cops to be dangerous and usually hostile.
Maybe if you don't want to be constantly suspected, leave your criminal group? You can still play with your friends afterwards, why wouldn't you be able to (unless the group has some kind of dumb restrictions with whom the members can play with).
I forego /su if a guy is shooting at me or just bunnyhop around and /su them with 'aojgiuhrg' or 'auirhgurgbdaf' or 'shot'.
Evading POLICE, not SHOTS.
What does being shot by a criminal have to do with evading the police? That kinda, dunno, excludes one another? Shooting cops isn't evading them. Shooting cops is a direct action to get suspected for. Or do you criminals want to shoot the police without getting suspected?
We can't actually avoid suspection because 1. cop can keep chasing us until he is close enough, and 2. he can request ''any officer who sees xx nearby SUSPECT HIM FOR xxxx'' and then they're f**ked.
So you guys are usually talking about cops constantly hunting orange blips, now you're talking about a cop CHASING you when you aren't wanted or (assumed) haven't done any crime?
And I just don't believe you how everyone suspects you guys for things you didn't do. All I saw in-game was moaning about being "abused" when you just didn't want to play with the cops, but still committed some kind of crime (even small, but still) and cops saw you doing it. But you guys aren't even trying to evade police's attention.
There is no way to escape becoming an /su because the cops can move around, use cars, walk, etc, just like us, and they will always be able to find us.
Oh so you want the cops to be unable to move or use cars?
And if you guys camp while wanted, it's obvious that cops will find you. BE MOBILE.
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For example, if you clearly state you refuse to roleplay me questioning you about a murder and drive away I could /su you for evading and tell an admin you were evading while you say you didn't evade and say that forcing roleplay is not allowed - guess who they're going to believe?
That is because if you would have read my explanation no such rule exists where you can say I do not want to rp, goodbye.
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IF some players want to know why they are moderated, read my post on page 3.
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Well. I'm simply going to list some facts here, that I have seen from being involved with the server for 3 years, and almost being on daily. I actually quit playing SAMP IG about two or three months ago, if any of you remember. Basically, there are two sides of the story. There are not 3, as the owners would like it to be, because either you're a criminal, a cop, or a guy who does nothing on the server other than talk in main chat and drive around ( "Citizen" ). Cops and Criminals often argue. Criminals like to pretend that everything they do is part of a movie, they are all Tony Montana, Don Corleone, or Frank Lucas. They fear no one, stop for nothing, and bitch when their power rush gets cut out by dying. How do I know? Because I was exactly like that. I was a badass in my own right, and every action I took, I tried to create fear and suspense amongst the people I roleplayed with. I didn't stop for cops at trafstops, because I was too cool to listen to their shit. My combat was used before my mouth, and I killed many officers. I was good at it too. This is exactly how everyone was, with the exception of a few genuine roleplayers. When Mafias and gangs roleplay, they roleplay with EACHOTHER. That is the point of a group. That is the point of a criminal commission. At least in the old days, when we had problems with a group, we talked to each leader of a group in a large meeting, discussing our plan of action, etc. This was all roleplayed, and all in character ( Before the days of the fucking (( )) bullshit. ) We acted accordingly. We dealt with weapons and killings. Because that's just the kind of people we are, we enjoy that thrill, and like being badasses on the server.
Then there is the cop side, a side which I don't know a lot about because I only saw them from one light. From the times I played as a cop, it was generally seen the same way. Everyone wants to be Serpico, Robocop, or Detective John Hobbes. Movies are what influence our perception of the roles that we play on the server. No cop accepted bribes, no cop was tempted, when you were a cop, you killed orange dots. Just like as a criminal, when you are an orange dot, you kill the blue dots. Cops were always weary and suspicious of criminals, because more often than not, we would blow the fuck up when a cop was around, and kill them. Especially when alone with them. Criminals complained that cops were stalking them, not leaving them alone, blah blah blah. This was all because we simply wanted our free reign to be badass murderers, and cops cramped our style when they were around. Criminals slowly developed a hate for cops, as cops did for criminals. That is when this server turned in to cops and robbers. Say what you want, IN GAME this server is nothing more than cops and robbers. Roleplay in a large scale no longer exists the way it did, because everyone is paranoid and suspicious of one another. Cops can't trust a guy who they know is a criminal, criminals can't trust a guy they know is a cop.
Cops got script support for a lot of things that they would realistically need script support for, Criminals got way less than cops did, agree or not, that is simply a fact. But it was realistic. The only thing that wasn't realistic is that cops ( who are also in greater number, by the way ) got to come back and keep killing ( or attempting to kill ) criminals. Why? I could only figure that it was because Criminals were simply better at killing than Cops were.
Anyways, to my original point. If there is to be a rule like this, there needs to be a lot of other rules enforcing roleplay. Because as of now, the server is in total chaos in terms of roleplay. You can basically do whatever the fuck you want, so it's not really a roleplay server in that sense, yet we have people running around complaining of bad roleplay. In case you haven't noticed the premise of this server is to do what you want, including roleplaying if you wish. That is why nobody should be "forced" to roleplay.
tl;dr: read it you lazy fucker.
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IF some players want to know why they are moderated, read my post on page 3.
Page 2 :)
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Maxy, one thing you seem to get wrong is that cops 'got' script support.
From the very first scripts cops have a number of commands in order to support their actions.
Over time the script support they have has gotten less, not more.
Another thing is that you seem to think citizens ban only talk in main chat and drive around. This is incorrect as well, as citizens can operate whatever non-criminal job or business they want.
Probably due to the lack of RP skills and the idea imported from other servers that everything has to be script supported, people have trouble playing citizens.
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Well. I'm simply going to list some facts here, that I have seen from being involved with the server for 3 years, and almost being on daily. I actually quit playing SAMP IG about two or three months ago, if any of you remember. Basically, there are two sides of the story. There are not 3, as the owners would like it to be, because either you're a criminal, a cop, or a guy who does nothing on the server other than talk in main chat and drive around ( "Citizen" ). Cops and Criminals often argue. Criminals like to pretend that everything they do is part of a movie, they are all Tony Montana, Don Corleone, or Frank Lucas. They fear no one, stop for nothing, and bad guy when their power rush gets cut out by dying. How do I know? Because I was exactly like that. I was a badass in my own right, and every action I took, I tried to create fear and suspense amongst the people I roleplayed with. I didn't stop for cops at trafstops, because I was too cool to listen to their shit. My combat was used before my mouth, and I killed many officers. I was good at it too. This is exactly how everyone was, with the exception of a few genuine roleplayers. When Mafias and gangs roleplay, they roleplay with EACHOTHER. That is the point of a group. That is the point of a criminal commission. At least in the old days, when we had problems with a group, we talked to each leader of a group in a large meeting, discussing our plan of action, etc. This was all roleplayed, and all in character ( Before the days of the f**king something werid something weird bullshit. ) We acted accordingly. We dealt with weapons and killings. Because that's just the kind of people we are, we enjoy that thrill, and like being badasses on the server.
Then there is the cop side, a side which I don't know a lot about because I only saw them from one light. From the times I played as a cop, it was generally seen the same way. Everyone wants to be Serpico, Robocop, or Detective John Hobbes. Movies are what influence our perception of the roles that we play on the server. No cop accepted bribes, no cop was tempted, when you were a cop, you killed orange dots. Just like as a criminal, when you are an orange dot, you kill the blue dots. Cops were always weary and suspicious of criminals, because more often than not, we would blow the f**k up when a cop was around, and kill them. Especially when alone with them. Criminals complained that cops were stalking them, not leaving them alone, blah blah blah. This was all because we simply wanted our free reign to be badass murderers, and cops cramped our style when they were around. Criminals slowly developed a hate for cops, as cops did for criminals. That is when this server turned in to cops and robbers. Say what you want, IN GAME this server is nothing more than cops and robbers. Roleplay in a large scale no longer exists the way it did, because everyone is paranoid and suspicious of one another. Cops can't trust a guy who they know is a criminal, criminals can't trust a guy they know is a cop.
Cops got script support for a lot of things that they would realistically need script support for, Criminals got way less than cops did, agree or not, that is simply a fact. But it was realistic. The only thing that wasn't realistic is that cops ( who are also in greater number, by the way ) got to come back and keep killing ( or attempting to kill ) criminals. Why? I could only figure that it was because Criminals were simply better at killing than Cops were.
Anyways, to my original point. If there is to be a rule like this, there needs to be a lot of other rules enforcing roleplay. Because as of now, the server is in total chaos in terms of roleplay. You can basically do whatever the f**k you want, so it's not really a roleplay server in that sense, yet we have people running around complaining of bad roleplay. In case you haven't noticed the premise of this server is to do what you want, including roleplaying if you wish. That is why nobody should be "forced" to roleplay.
tl;dr: read it you lazy f**ker.
Well this server got roleplay, maybe you haven't seen it lately. As Gandalf stated some pages back, you can roleplay what ever you want. A cop, medic, fireman, businessman, criminal, assasin and much more. Just choose.
About the criminal groups you are right, they only roleplay with each other for the most and doing big meetings etc.
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Maxy, one thing you seem to get wrong is that cops 'got' script support.
From the very first scripts cops have a number of commands in order to support their actions.
Over time the script support they have has gotten less, not more.
Only "+" I see was only taking away /frisk. Nothing else dramatically changed.
You call this democracy Gandalf? Do you know what is the first thing a new comer asks in /ask.
Its: "How I get gun" or "/duty no work". Does that say something? Civilian role is rarely visible on the streets and you know why?
Exactly because of officers. Day before yesterday I had a privilege to train and help a new comer. While I was showing him some commands, we were constantly followed by an officer. The officer suspected him for not driving properly, while I was driving. He suspected him for more false reasons then killed him every time he suspected him. As he is a new comer I got the officer away through /report. This is a little dot in a mosaic that happens on Argonath. I agree with Maxy on several points. Today's term of a civilian is the one who has not been seen by any officers. Or is idling in a car writing in main chat, discussing with others. But no, people like to use the term "moan" to escape mistakes.Officers really don't need anything then a free issued heavy weapon as Desert eagle, a /suspect command, and a radio. Believe me, I was an officer, a criminal in Gvardia and a civilian, fireman and mostly medic.
One member of Argonath said which I find it very funny, don't take me serious on this one: "Cops, are just a TDM force with Voice/radio communication" :lol:
Nothing can be changed now, but taking the facts on the "table" makes us feel easier rather then keep it inside and moan in main chat.
I feel "ranted out" enough now. We can discuss this without any excesses, flames, insults, peacefully present our perspective of Argonath, or you would like to moderate us all? I am ready to listen an officer saying something on "Criminal rant" and vice versa. This is after all and interesting conversation.
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Another thing is that you seem to think citizens ban only talk in main chat and drive around. This is incorrect as well, as citizens can operate whatever non-criminal job or business they want.
Probably due to the lack of RP skills and the idea imported from other servers that everything has to be script supported, people have trouble playing citizens.
They can.. but they don't. The reason that people think "Everything has to be script supported" is because there is no reason to play as a citizen, there is no advantage to it. No real pros and cons, you're just the grey area that is caught up in between cops and criminals.
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IF some players want to know why they are moderated, read my post on page 3.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.30;start=%1$d (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.30;start=%1)
Huh?
EDIT: damn, ninjad.
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The first person to continue the BS about cops vs criminals will enjoy a nice ban. Clear ?
That's because people don't just evade the police to not get wanted.
Criminals' advantage on /su is that the cops have to see them. Cops can't /su someone who they can't see, one of the reasons is that they won't know your ID. And when you're not wanted, cops can't do anything to you. But you people are too busy focusing on what's going on AFTER getting suspected.
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They can.. but they don't. The reason that people think "Everything has to be script supported" is because there is no reason to play as a citizen, there is no advantage to it. No real pros and cons, you're just the grey area that is caught up in between cops and criminals.
They can.. and *MOST DO.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.30;start=%1 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.30;start=%1)$d
Huh?
he meant page 2.
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The reason that people think "Everything has to be script supported" is because there is no reason to play as a citizen, there is no advantage to it.
Disagreed; you're obviously thinking only about making a profit, not about playing a role that's not a criminal nor law enforcement.
And what script support do citizens need anyway? They got houses, businesses, vehicles, skins, animations, possibility to send money to others, various chats and the whole map of SA. What else do they need to make up a scenario? The answer would be, a brain.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.30;start=%1 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.30;start=%1)$d
Huh?
prolly someone removed his post and Gandalf's reply got moved to Page 2.
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Only "+" I see was only taking away /frisk. Nothing else dramatically changed.
You call this democracy Gandalf? Do you know what is the first thing a new comer asks in /ask.
Its: "How I get gun" or "/duty no work". Does that say something? Civilian role is rarely visible on the streets and you know why?
Exactly because of officers. Day before yesterday I had a privilege to train and help a new comer. While I was showing him some commands, we were constantly followed by an officer. The officer suspected him for not driving properly, while I was driving. He suspected him for more false reasons then killed him every time he suspected him. As he is a new comer I got the officer away through /report. This is a little dot in a mosaic that happens on Argonath. I agree with Maxy on several points. Today's term of a civilian is the one who has not been seen by any officers. Or is idling in a car writing in main chat, discussing with others. But no, people like to use the term "moan" to escape mistakes.Officers really don't need anything then a free issued heavy weapon as Desert eagle, a /suspect command, and a radio. Believe me, I was an officer, a criminal in Gvardia and a civilian, fireman and mostly medic.
One member of Argonath said which I find it very funny, don't take me serious on this one: "Cops, are just a TDM force with Voice/radio communication" :lol:
Nothing can be changed now, but taking the facts on the "table" makes us feel easier rather then keep it inside and moan in main chat.
I feel "ranted out" enough now. We can discuss this without any excesses, flames, insults, peacefully present our perspective of Argonath, or you would like to moderate us all? I am ready to listen an officer saying something on "Criminal rant" and vice versa. This is after all and interesting conversation.
The moderation was because I warned in the beginning not to make this a cops vs criminals thread.
You made your bed, lie in it.
Argonath was never a democracy, and never will be. We do value and listen to the opinions of players, but the decisions are ours to make, not by any majority of representative system.
As for officers, they have to follow procedures. If they do not, they can lose the permission to play as officer. And the databse of copbans will show that a number of players lose that every day.
As you were explaining to the new player, I just wonder why you did not at the same time explained to the officer how to behave correctly. Perhaps your standard adversity of cops played a role ?
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They can.. but they don't. The reason that people think "Everything has to be script supported" is because there is no reason to play as a citizen, there is no advantage to it. No real pros and cons, you're just the grey area that is caught up in between cops and criminals.
If there is no advantage, the challenge is greater. Do not be lazy.
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Do not be lazy.
Same to you, Owner of the server.
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7509 posts without a moderation and the post I finally get moderated for isn't even a bad one. :lol:
My post wasn't biased in any way. I made sure of that with the numerous edits I made, specifically in order to avoid falling into the category of people reacting to the post on page 2 that Gandalf made.
But fair enough, if you don't want me to point out the elephant in the room.
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As for officers, they have to follow procedures. If they do not, they can lose the permission to play as officer. And the databse of copbans will show that a number of players lose that every day.
As you were explaining to the new player, I just wonder why you did not at the same time explained to the officer how to behave correctly. Perhaps your standard adversity of cops played a role ?
I agree on the point of cop ban.
Second: I am not a Kraken, there are helpers who are there to help players. This player was a regular, not a new comer.
You do endorse freedom of speech, correct? because you consider everything I said as a rant. I stated that this is a plain conversation and we are willing to hear both sides experienced issues. So we can actually do something and reduce the paranoia between cops and criminals.
While creating the server and spanning it you know there will be problems like this, not all peachy and stuff. 50% of the problem can be solved through a conversation, rest through actual act. I don't know why muting the voice of common sense. I never wanted to start a war.
I've been in multiple factions, I've never flamed, insulted anyone, I got a kick once from Tai because I told he's Oberfuhrer(Some of us were joking/talking in main chat about Nazism), the rest is Jeffrey for flood. Now this. After 2k+ posts, 1 sentence of approval. I don't know what's the problem with a simple discussion?Did you see anyone getting offended Gandalf?
Panda :"Pointing out an elephant in the room" - nice one.
The question is still on the table.
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I'm sorry, but then you have no idea how a criminal group works.
Lol don't try to tell me something like "you haz copz in de insidezz to helpz u".
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Lol don't try to tell me something like "you haz copz in de insidezz to helpz u".
I won't explain anything since you would most probably disagree with it, and therefore, I will waste my time. Go on and play as a bunch of rich gangsters in the hood, I care less.
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The first person to continue the BS about cops vs criminals will enjoy a nice ban. Clear ?
You should be happy I was not in a bad mood....
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I agree on the point of cop ban.
Second: I am not a Kraken, there are helpers who are there to help players. This player was a regular, not a new comer.
Which is probalby why we should never have started the helper thing. Now people will hide under the pretense it is not their job.
You do endorse freedom of speech, correct? because you consider everything I said as a rant. I stated that this is a plain conversation and we are willing to hear both sides experienced issues. So we can actually do something and reduce the paranoia between cops and criminals.
Tried many times, but criminals refuse to listen.
While creating the server and spanning it you know there will be problems like this, not all peachy and stuff. 50% of the problem can be solved through a conversation, rest through actual act. I don't know why muting the voice of common sense. I never wanted to start a war.
See my post above. We have enough criminals vs cops topics.
I've been in multiple factions, I've never flamed, insulted anyone[/b][/color], I got a kick once from Tai because I told he's Oberfuhrer(Some of us were joking/talking in main chat about Nazism), the rest is Jeffrey for flood. Now this. After 2k+ posts, 1 sentence of approval. I don't know what's the problem with a simple discussion?Did you see anyone getting offended Gandalf?
Panda :"Pointing out an elephant in the room" - nice one.
Additional information to my post : :cry:
Discussion is great, but not regarding a topic that has already been discussed to death.
Criminals whine about advantages, yet refuse to bring solutions. As long as there are no viable solutions brought in the ideas section, nothing will change.
Want to improbe RP? Then stop this criminal vs cops stuff and become standard citizens. Citizens without affiliation with crime, without the need to break the law and act tough.
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. Go on and play as a bunch of rich gangsters in the hood, I care less.
Rich gangsters ? You either don't know how Gvardia rp's or you are just confused.
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Rich gangsters ? You either don't know how Gvardia rp's or you are just confused.
Well let him belive we are "rich gansters", who cares about his opinion? No one.
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You should be happy I was not in a bad mood....
Uh, I didn't start anything about cops vs criminals.
Rich gangsters ? You either don't know how Gvardia rp's or you are just confused.
Sure.
who cares about his opinion? No one.
With that attitude you call yourself a mafia? More like a gang.
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Uh, I didn't start anything about cops vs criminals.Sure.With that attitude you can't call yourself a mafia. More like a gang.
With that attitude? We have not asked you to judge us in any way, just please keep your opinions for yourself or have a discussion IG in a cb or on a msn conversation. Please thanks bye, don't want a forum war.
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Uh, I didn't start anything about cops vs criminals.Sure.With that attitude you can't call yourself a mafia. More like a gang.
:lol:
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:lol:
:lol:
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:lol:
Then with that brain, you can call yourself a complete idiot...
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With that attitude you can't call yourself a mafia. More like a gang.
It's funny how you obviously believe that this conversation-attitude is somehow related to IG actions.
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Then with that brain, you can call yourself a complete idiot...
Noh-oh, you should check Coffiliano's post.
So, he's just like me, eh?
It's funny how you obviously believe that this conversation-attitude is somehow related to IG actions.
Funny thing, but it's the same.
EDIT: I'd also like to note out that Antonio was banned on the game server for the very same attitude he showed in the post above. The irony...
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Solutions? In definition it stands for agreement/solver on both sides.What was the solution?There has to be a solid reason why the criminals are rejecting it. I said I WAS in many different factions. I am a civilian now, and a suspect now and then. I'm not hiding behind helper duty as my commitment, nay I advertise for more people to use it. Here is a nice statistic for you: 106 players online : 3 helpers, and when I advertise it we have over dozen of helpers who are associated with crime so they refuse to answer, thus leaving a few helpers again on answering. People start literally bit*hing in main chat with "OMG I got caught and DMed, someone /ask and I crashed my car". Or, version 2, on helper duty go players who know squat about the server and its commands/rules etc...But I give them credit because they are at least trying to help.
So if it has been discussed many times before, why not throwing in more ideas? Then sitting with hands crossed mumbling "Its inevitable"
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Noh-oh, you should check Coffiliano's post.
So, he's just like me, eh?
The difference is that everyone knows why I put a smile after your quote which is:
It's funny how you obviously believe that this conversation-attitude is somehow related to IG actions.
And you on the other hand put a smile for the trolololol.
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The difference is that everyone knows why I put a smile after your quote which is:And you on the other hand put a smile for the trolololol.
The real thing is that you had nothing to say but put a bloody smile.
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The real thing is that you had nothing to say but put a bloody smile.
Well Cofi posted a smiley you on the other hand have been posting bull shit.
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Solutions? In definition it stands for agreement/solver on both sides.What was the solution?There has to be a solid reason why the criminals are rejecting it. I said I WAS in many different factions. I am a civilian now, and a suspect now and then. I'm not hiding behind helper duty as my commitment, nay I advertise for more people to use it. Here is a nice statistic for you: 106 players online : 3 helpers, and when I advertise it we have over dozen of helpers who are associated with crime so they refuse to answer, thus leaving a few helpers again on answering. People start literally bit*hing in main chat with "OMG I got caught and DMed, someone /ask and I crashed my car". Or, version 2, on helper duty go players who know squat about the server and its commands/rules etc...But I give them credit because they are at least trying to help.
So if it has been discussed many times before, why not throwing in more ideas? Then sitting with hands crossed mumbling "Its inevitable"
the reason why I am against helper duty is that people at once start pointing just like you do. 106 players and 3 helpers OMG.
Without helper duty, there would be 105 people who could help, now there are 3, get the difference ?
As for criminals, so far they have offered no solutions, just are pointing fingers as what they think are unfair advantages. Any ideas brought forward have to do with either earning more money, or have more chances to not being caught. Suggestions to improve relations between cops and criminals is some thing I have never seen.
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the reason why I am against helper duty is that people at once start pointing just like you do. 106 players and 3 helpers OMG.
Without helper duty, there would be 105 people who could help, now there are 3, get the difference ?
As for criminals, so far they have offered no solutions, just are pointing fingers as what they think are unfair advantages. Any ideas brought forward have to do with either earning more money, or have more chances to not being caught. Suggestions to improve relations between cops and criminals is some thing I have never seen.
If you were online you'd see that people actually ask things in main chat also. They use /ask too.
Incorrect, topics about resolving some advantages/disadvantages have been started, but people inside start to moan and the topic turns into "shyte".
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the reason why I am against helper duty is that people at once start pointing just like you do. 106 players and 3 helpers OMG.
Without helper duty, there would be 105 people who could help, now there are 3, get the difference ?
As for criminals, so far they have offered no solutions, just are pointing fingers as what they think are unfair advantages. Any ideas brought forward have to do with either earning more money, or have more chances to not being caught. Suggestions to improve relations between cops and criminals is some thing I have never seen.
Visit the ideas section. You'll see how many times it's been suggested for a few advantages to be removed, or at least give us some of the advantages.
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http://sasdonline.com/crime/ (http://sasdonline.com/crime/)
When we look there, and we see a huge [DANGEROUS] tag above your name, we go through neccesary procedures to make sure that we are safe, Why would we take such procedures with two cars full of Gvardias? Who have armor, and more than likely have combat shotguns up their asses? Who have their OWN term in the ARPD called a
"Code Gvardia" No reason, I guess we are just paranoid like that. To think that you might not agree with being pulled over and in return start firing on us.
As for forcing RP, I'm not going to say Gvardia as a whole, because I know not everyone does it. But I have had several instances with Gvardias, on and off-duty, where If I refused to RP they killed me and I lose guns armor, and so forth. So this isn't really the best subject matter for you to bring up. Bai! :D
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If you were online you'd see that people actually ask things in main chat also. They use /ask too.
Incorrect, topics about resolving some advantages/disadvantages have been started, but people inside start to moan and the topic turns into "shyte".
Please read correctly what I write. I am not talking about topics 'give us more money' or 'remove returning from cops', but topics about solving the fighting and differences between cops and criminals. See how many of those you can find.
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Please read correctly what I write. I am not talking about topics 'give us more money' or 'remove returning from cops', but topics about solving the fighting and differences between cops and criminals. See how many of those you can find.
Evening the advantages will make fair play, otherwise there will always be moan.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=56536.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=56536.0) - This idea is fantastic.
David's comment:
If weapon skills were to be added wouldn't it make more sense to make a player's weapon skill dependant on their experience?
and Rusty's comment:
I actually agree with this.
Though setting your weapon skill.. purchasing it would be a better option (like fightstyles)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=55380.msg781456#msg781456 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=55380.msg781456#msg781456) - MetalLuigi's idea ( For mutual satisfaction)
I suggest another idea. Why not expanding the SAPD academy to Free officers. Or yet, you'll obvious *sigh*, form a free officer academy which will be held IG and have a decent HQ and a training field?
I've found these two ideas, but I definitely think there are more of them.
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First idea: The only use I see in weapon skills is by reversing them. Experienced players wil have lower weapon skills, so they must themselves be more skilled in shooting. Otherwise it is giving an unfair advantage to experienced players over new ones.
However this has absolutely nothing to do with the friction between cops and criminals.
Criminals keeping guns if not being killed after /gu is highly likely to be abused if they can attack. We are working on a way based on the first cuff system but without its disadvantages. If you remember, in the oroginal system a cuffed person was frozen and there for could not be hurt or attack. However a number of bugs in that system caused it to be changed.
While this might solve day-to-day fights over who was wrong, it does not contribute to overall accusations between criminals and cops.
Police license: as I understand currently the most friction is between criminals and experienced police units. As such a license for new officers would not contribute to reducing friction.
As you see, the suggestions are carefully considered as they were in the topic, and found not to solve the issues. Equalizing will not remvoe the friction
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http://sasdonline.com/crime/ (http://sasdonline.com/crime/)
When we look there, and we see a huge [DANGEROUS] tag above your name, we go through neccesary procedures to make sure that we are safe, Why would we take such procedures with two cars full of Gvardias? Who have armor, and more than likely have combat shotguns up their asses? Who have their OWN term in the ARPD called a
"Code Gvardia" No reason, I guess we are just paranoid like that. To think that you might not agree with being pulled over and in return start firing on us.
As for forcing RP, I'm not going to say Gvardia as a whole, because I know not everyone does it. But I have had several instances with Gvardias, on and off-duty, where If I refused to RP they killed me and I lose guns armor, and so forth. So this isn't really the best subject matter for you to bring up. Bai! :D
See the bold bit...
If you see a Gvardia tag and you ARE roleplaying, then you should not react unless you have seen them before and not been killed. Obviously making assumptions would then be meta-gaming. However, if you did not want to RP, you could run away quickly when you saw the Gvardia tag :)
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Criminals whine about advantages, yet refuse to bring solutions. As long as there are no viable solutions brought in the ideas section, nothing will change.
It's not our f**king job to come up with those solutions, is it? We've layed out many solutions for you, and you refused to listen yourself. Look at some of the ideas in the idea section that you seem to completely f**king ignore, you've got me riled up now Gandalf. Why don't you sit back and think about why the f**k the criminals are constantly whining and moaning about their disadvantages. To quote you again: Don't be so f**king lazy.
When was the last time you spent any real time trying to do anything for us criminals? Honestly, you're the owner of this server, it's your job to make sure shit gets done, including on SAMP. If your delegates aren't taking care of shit, kick them in the ass. What the f**k is this man? Right now you've got a bunch of pretentious f**ks who aren't getting shit done. Look at the f**king ARUN. That was supposed to be done in July, and it's nearly September. You don't even play on your own server anymore, and then try to come in and talk about shit that you know from 2008. Times have changed, you don't even have any comprehension of what this server has become. I've been arguing with you for THREE YEARS. You tell me we try to change nothing? f**k that. I refuse to listen to any more of this shit Gandalf. Don't even come at me with the "I'm undercover a lot" bullshit, because you're not on long enough in a real alias to change anything.
Moderate, warn, ban. Whatever the f**k you feel you need to do. I just hope enough of this gets read before you decide to make it go away.
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Look at the f**king ARUN. That was supposed to be done in July, and it's nearly September.
Sorry about that, I can't do shit with that because Frank has failed to give me the access rights to see the board until a few days ago, or talk to me about the applications. I have no idea what he wants to do with ARUN, as he has never actually told me.
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As for criminals, so far they have offered no solutions, just are pointing fingers as what they think are unfair advantages. Any ideas brought forward have to do with either earning more money, or have more chances to not being caught. Suggestions to improve relations between cops and criminals is some thing I have never seen.
You wont get a solution while you continue to ignore some reasonable suggestions about how to ensure people wont use their "rights and rules" to do what ever they want to others, and get away with it.
Only thing that's gonna happen is more and more good criminals leaving Argonath, not cause of some bs reasons, then by the unfairest of the system, cause of which if you go on /duty and you are protected like a polar bears what ever you do, and if you become a criminal, you can expect a ban at any time, for something that high rank /duty people don't even get a warning, not to mention a cop ban.
Why do you need /su | /gu | /cuff system? Lets remove it and not be lazy doing a investigation to solve a crime that happen, instead of "good old" CnR.
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Sorry about that, I can't do shit with that because Frank has failed to give me the access rights to see the board until a few days ago, or talk to me about the applications. I have no idea what he wants to do with ARUN, as he has never actually told me.
The hit wasn't directed at you, Dave.
Oh Gandalf, here is what happens when criminals present ideas:
Still the same moaning...
AND its a a repeat topci YET AGAIN...
TOPIC LOCKED, I see this topic re-appear and the poster will suffer .....
Making multiple topics does not help your cause on this.
Do you think we will give in to this if you keep on posting.... ???
I think not, if anything it makes me for certain go even MORE against you..
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Why do you need /su | /gu | /cuff system? Lets remove it and not be lazy doing a investigation to solve a crime that happen, instead of "good old" CnR.
This is something I support, but as I cannot(Wouldn't dare to post these posts like Maxy) as I'm already moderated, I wouldn't risk a ban.
The post wouldn't probably be approved. Officers just enter the designated PD and from the door, slam /jail ID 180. Without crime checking or anything. They just jail you 180 seconds through PD door. That's one of the examples(I do not generalize SAPD). Of course the criminal will start to moan in main chat like "OMFG 180 secs for driving on the wrong lane, ffufufufuuuuu" and etc...
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@ Maxy - If you don't want to give any propositions about improving cops-criminals relations (ideas about advantages/disadvantages don't count here), either play or leave. All topics I've seen in the SAMP Ideas regarding cops/criminals board are just add this for criminals / remove that from cops, all argumented because cops have unfair advantage, cops can use it and criminals can't, etc. All those ideas would only add up to the friction between both sides.
How about we remove the ability for criminals to evade the police? That way, the cheapest way to lose the wanted level would be surrendering to the cops. That way the criminals would have to co-operate with the cops to lose the wanted level, and not just fight and run like they do now.
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How about we remove the ability for criminals to evade the police? That way, the cheapest way to lose the wanted level would be surrendering to the cops. That way the criminals would have to co-operate with the cops to lose the wanted level, and not just fight and run like they do now.
and remove /su, /gu, /jail, lets just RP that.
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and remove /su, /gu, /jail, lets just RP that.
Remove gu - you'll moan about not being able to surrender with any insurance that cops won't kill you.
Remove jail - you'll moan about cops only killing you and not asking to give up, because if you give up, there would be no punishment for you. So cops would probably execute you anyway.
Remove su - cops will blast you for anything, saying that you were a criminal. If "criminals" mix with "non criminals", cops will blast everyone.
Yeah, let's RP being a cop without any criminal moaning.
While !suspect and !jail were since present the very beginning of Argonath, evading police was a feature added much later.
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Remove gu - you'll moan about not being able to surrender with any insurance that cops won't kill you.
Remove jail - you'll moan about cops only killing you and not asking to give up, because if you give up, there would be no punishment for you. So cops would probably execute you anyway.
Remove su - cops will blast you for anything, saying that you were a criminal. If "criminals" mix with "non criminals", cops will blast everyone.
Yeah, let's RP being a cop without any criminal moaning.
While !suspect and !jail were since present the very beginning of Argonath, evading police was a feature added much later.
how about RPing a grown up mature person who can talk and act politely to people without sounding like a 12 year old girl on that special time of the month.
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@ Maxy - If you don't want to give any propositions about improving cops-criminals relations (ideas about advantages/disadvantages don't count here), either play or leave. All topics I've seen in the SAMP Ideas regarding cops/criminals board are just add this for criminals / remove that from cops, all argumented because cops have unfair advantage, cops can use it and criminals can't, etc. All those ideas would only add up to the friction between both sides.
How about we remove the ability for criminals to evade the police? That way, the cheapest way to lose the wanted level would be surrendering to the cops. That way the criminals would have to co-operate with the cops to lose the wanted level, and not just fight and run like they do now.
Have you not been listening for the last 3 years, or are you just an idiot? First of all, I don't play SAMP anymore. I left 3 months ago. I just come on the forum from time to time. Second, there have been plenty of good topics in the past, such as a drug system that is more expanded, and a more expanded weapon system, etc, that have been ignored. How about instead of fucking around and beating around the bush, you directly address the issues that criminals moan about it. If half of the server population says something is wrong, there must actually be something wrong, or has that not entered your mind?
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how about RPing a grown up mature person who can talk and act politely to people without sounding like a 12 year old girl on that special time of the month.
How about you give a proper counter argument and stop the personal attacks?
You should be the one to grow up.
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How about you give a proper counter argument and stop the personal attacks?
You should be the one to grow up.
Comes from the guy who mocked others ... Lets not be hypocrite here.
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Comes from the guy who mocked others ... Lets not be hypocrite here.
You may find, I never mocked anyone. I did infact, have a very amusing conversation with Gandalf on MSN discussing the ((OOC)) chat and /em S/F?????
Therefore, if I am "mocking" people, then there are many others doing the same.
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You may find, I never mocked anyone. I did infact, have a very amusing conversation with Gandalf on MSN discussing the something weridOOCsomething weird chat and /em S/F?????
Therefore, if I am "mocking" people, then there are many others doing the same.
And you're not to allow to do it here. I don't really care what you do on MSN, but don't dare telling Eugene what to do, when you been doing it in this same topic.
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And you're not to allow to do it here. I don't really care what you do on MSN, but don't dare telling Eugene what to do, when you been doing it in this same topic.
Personally attacking someone =/= personally "attacking" a method of RP.
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Personally attacking someone =/= personally "attacking" a method of RP.
Personal attack=/="how about RPing a grown up mature person who can talk and act politely to people without sounding like a 12 year old girl on that special time of the month."
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First of all, I don't play SAMP anymore. I left 3 months ago.
Then what are you doing here? Why do you come here if you're not playing? What are you fighting for, what's your purpose?
I'd understand popping in for a nice chat with your friends, but fighting over rules or scripts on a server/game you don't play? who's the dumb one?
Second, there have been plenty of good topics in the past, such as a drug system that is more expanded, and a more expanded weapon system, etc, that have been ignored.
Those are still improvements for criminals (which aren't the case here), nothing to do with ideas about cops-criminals relations.
If half of the server population says something is wrong, there must actually be something wrong, or has that not entered your mind?
So there's no one from half of the server that can point what is wrong AND what should be done to fix the problem?
how about RPing a grown up mature person who can talk and act politely to people without sounding like a 12 year old girl on that special time of the month.
When was I not polite in that post? Excluding that you replied the same way to the post you've quoted, only with less argumentation.
WHO ALMOST BROUGHT =AV= DOWN!
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OMG HOW DARE YOU INSULT DAVE?! HE'S THAT NIGGA WHO ALMOST BROUGHT =AV= DOWN! DAVE, RESPECT, MAN! DON'T GIVE UP!
It is mine to bring down. To be honest - it was the people who left who brought it down.
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oh great! another cops and criminals discussion. can we just RP and move on?
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I know, son, I know. Momma and I have always been proud of you.
R..r..really? I didn't think you would have been...that means so much to me!
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I know, son, I know. Momma and I have always been proud of you.
LOL.
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Before continuing do check the objective of this topic and try to stay on topic.
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You wont get a solution while you continue to ignore some reasonable suggestions about how to ensure people wont use their "rights and rules" to do what ever they want to others, and get away with it.
Only thing that's gonna happen is more and more good criminals leaving Argonath, not cause of some bs reasons, then by the unfairest of the system, cause of which if you go on /duty and you are protected like a polar bears what ever you do, and if you become a criminal, you can expect a ban at any time, for something that high rank /duty people don't even get a warning, not to mention a cop ban.
Why do you need /su | /gu | /cuff system? Lets remove it and not be lazy doing a investigation to solve a crime that happen, instead of "good old" CnR.
Are you joking? You're trolling. You and Eugene are new trolls, taking over for Daco. Daco is the value of 2 trolls so you both need to step in to fill the void. I thank you for being so kind and caring to take up this role, as there is always some people in Argonath that everyone has to collectively hate and loathe for their antics.
If we remove /su, /gu and /cuff, I will come after Gvardia and shoot you all, saying you were all suspects in my mind, then return after death, continue killing you, and do so until you /q.
Sound good? No, it doesn't. That's what will happen. You're making suggestions against yourselves here, what is wrong with you?
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Are you joking? You're trolling. You and Eugene are new trolls, taking over for Daco. Daco is the value of 2 trolls so you both need to step in to fill the void. I thank you for being so kind and caring to take up this role, as there is always some people in Argonath that everyone has to collectively hate and loathe for their antics.
If we remove /su, /gu and /cuff, I will come after Gvardia and shoot you all, saying you were all suspects in my mind, then return after death, continue killing you, and do so until you /q.
Sound good? No, it doesn't. That's what will happen. You're making suggestions against yourselves here, what is wrong with you?
No we're making suggestions to Gandalf like he asked, this is trolling:
/p [[ yo dawg i herd u liek ooc so i put ooc in ur ooc so u can ooc while u ooc ]]
whats a IC?
While we're on this topic;
Yesterday I was doing some RP at GS9, when I was faced with some Mexicans
After exchanging some puta's and cabron's, they went on the offensive.
One of them did /me puts a gun to GiacJr's head...
then did /em S/F
I did /me attempts to back away, running into the guy behind him
The mexican then did /em S/F!?!?!?
I repeated /me attempts to back away, running into the guy behind him
I then got something werid FFS DID I SUCCEED OR NOT????
I laughed and walked off.
kekeke
!!!
How have I been so foolish :(
Congratulations, you're the first active Admin, judge memeber, and forum moderator, who trolololol more then 3 times in one topic. You made Box3r, Daco, Boxy, very very proud. Now go to your room and enjoy your period.
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No we're making suggestions to Gandalf like he asked, this is trolling:
Congratulations, you're the first active Admin, judge memeber, and forum moderator, who trolololol more then 3 times in one topic. You made Box3r, Daco, Boxy, very very proud. Now go to your room and enjoy your period.
hi i'm cofi, i'm so unoriginal i need to use the exact same call someone said to me against them
hurr durr, fail troll is fail
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what
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what
i believe the trolls these days say it as "wat"
just saying
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hi i'm cofi, i'm so unoriginal i need to use the exact same call someone said to me against them
hurr durr, fail troll is fail
Trolololololololol, I am using the same comment aswell. Now get to the topic subject.
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Maxy, you are not playing SA:MP for 3 months yet you accuse me of not being on server or knowing what is going on ? One comment.... ROFL.
Grezsiek pointed out the obvious and what he got back was a personal attack because nobody could counter his arguments.
I have asked for anything that would reduce the friction, not for something that would remove advantages that exist only in the eyes of those who wish to commit crimes, get paid for it and get away with it by standing still.
There are ideas which are going to happen, and ideas that are never going to happen. Accept it or go somehwere where you have what you have here plus your ideas.
Remember that SA:MP is based on GTA, and not on turn-based RP, Second Life or WOW.
It is supposed to be fast-paced, mixing humour with action and simple.
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Maxy, you are not playing SA:MP for 3 months yet you accuse me of not being on server or knowing what is going on ? One comment.... ROFL.
Yeah, for the last 1 1/2 years you haven't really played, and unless that changed in the last three months.. which it didn't.. I'm still right. But that's a great way to make what I said seem untrue.
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Yeah, for the last 1 1/2 years you haven't really played, and unless that changed in the last three months.. which it didn't.. I'm still right. But that's a great way to make what I said seem untrue.
That is your idea...thing is that you are completely wRONg....however I know that when certain UC admins are on server people are suddenly behaving better.... guess why ? ;)
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That is your idea...thing is that you are completely wRONg....however I know that when certain UC admins are on server people are suddenly behaving better.... guess why ? ;)
No. I'm not wrong. Because if you had been on the server, actually playing with people and getting into groups as a UC admin, doing what you're supposed to be, you'd know a lot more about the server than you do. I know exactly how being a main admin works. The whole UC thing gives you a little window, so when anyone tells you you haven't been on the server, you can just say "Oh I was UC." I'm not that dumb Gandalf. The rest here may be, but I'm not.
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No. I'm not wrong. Because if you had been on the server, actually playing with people and getting into groups as a UC admin, doing what you're supposed to be, you'd know a lot more about the server than you do. I know exactly how being a main admin works. The whole UC thing gives you a little window, so when anyone tells you you haven't been on the server, you can just say "Oh I was UC." I'm not that dumb Gandalf. The rest here may be, but I'm not.
Sure Maxy, you are having a camera directed at my desk so that you know exactly how many time I have spent in game.
Now either play here or crawl back in to the hole you came from.
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Remove gu - you'll moan about not being able to surrender with any insurance that cops won't kill you. Make evidence of you having hands up and being shot by a cop ----> Complaint ---> Get a person copbanned/demoted/fired
Remove jail - you'll moan about cops only killing you and not asking to give up, because if you give up, there would be no punishment for you. So cops would probably execute you anyway. Abuse of protocol - Punishment from ARPD/Admins
Remove su - cops will blast you for anything, saying that you were a criminal. If "criminals" mix with "non criminals", cops will blast everyone. Now that's not their only problems, are they?
Your arguments don't mean much on this note.
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S/F?!??!?!
EDIT: wtf where did the post merge go?
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1. Making a complaint won't protect you from dying, nor return "omg 5k weapons and armour".
2. What protocol? Then what would you do with someone that has surrendered if there was no alternate punishment for killing the criminal? Just "- I surrender - Ok you're free to go"?
Admins would be overloaded with constantly spectating criminals so they don't get "abused" by the cops without any time to play themselves.
S/F?!??!?!
n/c = no comment
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Please stay to the topic fooks, and Maxy. Stop accuse Gandalf for things, no point in it.
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n/c = no comment
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Sure Maxy, you are having a camera directed at my desk so that you know exactly how many time I have spent in game.
Now either play here or crawl back in to the hole you came from.
That made me giggle. We could go on and on. I don't care what others think here, this was directed at you, and not the public. You know damn well what I'm talking about Gandalf. Surely you'll come back with something, as you always do.
á ýõтõрÿõýøõü öôу þтòõтð.
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That made me giggle. We could go on and on. I don't care what others think here, this was directed at you, and not the public. You know damn well what I'm talking about Gandalf. Surely you'll come back with something, as you always do.
á ýõтõрÿõýøõü öôу þтòõтð.
Unlike you, I care and I will always continue. One day when you grow up you might understand that to continue something you started, you need to give others a chance to do work and make them grow.
If we had not given others a chance, scripters like CBFASI, David_Omid and Gimli would never have grown to the level they are now. Some things might have been better, many others would be worse.
Sure you can say that you were here a long time. But in that time you were often noticed, and sometimes banned, for complaining on everything that did not suit your needs.
When guys that I know are on server daily wish to discuss something I take it serious. When guys tell me they do not play but still want to change the server, I take it as worthless rubuush.
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If we didn't give a chance to 12 year old GiacJr to be admin almost 4 years ago, he would not have transformed into supa admin... :)
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This topic never ceases to amuse me...
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i have comfy chairs here
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Nice, I'll take one.
Another of my observations... many people in this topic have attacked Dave for what he said, although I can conclude that they will be too scared to give Aragorn the same treatment if he said the same things. When you look at it, Aragorn and Dave aren't so different in certain aspects. :razz:
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The general style of Gvardia of trying to be badasses whenever they meet a cop invites cops to treat them with strict and hard answers. That is not the fault of the cops.
I request that you don't feed the general public such utter bullshit ever again.
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Sticky this topic, for real.
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I request that you don't feed the general public such utter bullshit ever again.
I will not feed it if there is no reason to.
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The first person to continue the BS about cops vs criminals will enjoy a nice ban. Clear ?
Clarification of the 'do not force RP' rule:
There is NO rule that says you can walk out on any situation by telling you do not want to RP. Never was and never will be.
Do not force RP means that it is not allowed to force your idea of what should happen on to others if they choose to follow a different path.
For instance : Cops bring a suspect to the PD.
Suspect ask to be jailed, but cops insist on a long investigation RP first. They are NOT allowed to force the suspect in to this investigation if he just wants to be jailed.
Happening 1: Admins are required to answer reports and investigate situations. This means that any kidnap, which usually is a long RP, will disturb the ability of the admin to answer on reports, help players with questions and/or spectate situations. If you like to RP in the way of a soap series (40 episodes with constant interruption where everyone is picking up their noses) fine... find an admin who will play, but do not get pissed off if they will constantly not respond to RP, teleport out and back and are busy with anything but the RP.
Happening 2: Unless the cops had no valid reason to pull you over or stop you (and seeing a car full of Gvardia is NOT a valid reason) there is no reason not to RP with them. The general style of Gvardia of trying to be badasses whenever they meet a cop invites cops to treat them with strict and hard answers. That is not the fault of the cops.
I thought the rule was like:
If you wish to RP a secret service agent no FBI agents / ARPD cop can waltz on in and say "Wait, you're not an Secret Service Agent, show me evidence from the judge / President - your rank is freecop, wtf?" */su 0 Impersonating a Federal Agent* .
Also, if someone wants to rp a hippo - such as Mambo the Hippo, cops for example should respect his rP, if he goes into a rage - as Mambo the Hippo does sometimes - where stuff is damaged, the cops can't just "/su 1 Destruction of public property", especially if it was through /me and not with any weapon - they can just pretend to be Animal Control instead of making them a suspect then shooting them dead as they sleep.
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I thought the rule was like:
If you wish to RP a secret service agent no FBI agents / ARPD cop can waltz on in and say "Wait, you're not an Secret Service Agent, show me evidence from the judge / President - your rank is freecop, wtf?" */su 0 Impersonating a Federal Agent* .
Also, if someone wants to rp a hippo - such as Mambo the Hippo, cops for example should respect his rP, if he goes into a rage - as Mambo the Hippo does sometimes - where stuff is damaged, the cops can't just "/su 1 Destruction of public property", especially if it was through /me and not with any weapon - they can just pretend to be Animal Control instead of making them a suspect then shooting them dead as they sleep.
Curse you always amuse me with your comments :rofl:
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I request that you don't feed the general public such utter bullshit ever again.
:lol:
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Another of my observations... many people in this topic have attacked Dave for what he said, although I can conclude that they will be too scared to give Aragorn the same treatment if he said the same things. When you look at it, Aragorn and Dave aren't so different in certain aspects. :razz:
Maybe becuase one is acting or at least trying to act like he is the main admin/leader and the other one is acting ............. like a 12 year old girl on that special time of the month.
(not trying to insult or anything, just saying how it realy looks for me and im sure ALOT of people who has looked into it)
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Maybe becuase one is acting or at least trying to act like he is the main admin/leader and the other one is acting
(not trying to insult or anything, just saying how it realy looks for me and im sure ALOT of people who has looked into it)
Well Eugene, you can make it abit more appropriate like "immature people" or something :D
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Can we all, like, be a bit less rude to the SERVER OWNER!
Ty :)
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Can we all, like, be a bit less rude to the SERVER OWNER!
Ty :)
How about be a little less rude to each other. If people just respect the server owner and hate eachother, its not going to work out. If someone (i won't mention his name) will manage to remove his blinders and quit always thinking he is right then things may work out. People just need to learn to respect each other and if they fail at doing so, then tolerate each other.
I thought the rule was like:
If you wish to RP a secret service agent no FBI agents / ARPD cop can waltz on in and say "Wait, you're not an Secret Service Agent, show me evidence from the judge / President - your rank is freecop, wtf?" */su 0 Impersonating a Federal Agent* .
Also, if someone wants to rp a hippo - such as Mambo the Hippo, cops for example should respect his rP, if he goes into a rage - as Mambo the Hippo does sometimes - where stuff is damaged, the cops can't just "/su 1 Destruction of public property", especially if it was through /me and not with any weapon - they can just pretend to be Animal Control instead of making them a suspect then shooting them dead as they sleep.
Love it.
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Unlike you, I care and I will always continue. One day when you grow up you might understand that to continue something you started, you need to give others a chance to do work and make them grow.
If we had not given others a chance, scripters like CBFASI, David_Omid and Gimli would never have grown to the level they are now. Some things might have been better, many others would be worse.
Sure you can say that you were here a long time. But in that time you were often noticed, and sometimes banned, for complaining on everything that did not suit your needs.
When guys that I know are on server daily wish to discuss something I take it serious. When guys tell me they do not play but still want to change the server, I take it as worthless rubuush.
On the contrary. I think you're a little sad. Too bad you never took the time to get to know me.
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I will not feed it if there is no reason to.
Before I object, I'd like to make sure we're on the same boat here.
Describe what you mean by "being badasses in front of cops." There's more than one meaning to it that I can see.
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Do not teach the doctor how to cure illnesses.
Some people will need that piece of advice. :)
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How about be a little less rude to each other. If people just respect the server owner and hate eachother, its not going to work out. If someone (i won't mention his name) will manage to remove his blinders and quit always thinking he is right then things may work out. People just need to learn to respect each other and if they fail at doing so, then tolerate each other.
You first, mate.
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Do not teach the doctor how to cure illnesses.
Some people will need that piece of advice. :)
Another advice.
Doctors are humans. Humans make mistakes.
Depending on which human actually wants to correct them. ;)
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why are you people disrespecting the server owner
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why are you people disrespecting the server owner
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We don't disrespect him.
The conversation went in the other way. Some conversations are developing here or there.
Why would we attack the server owner? Giac, don't you go on-topic. :lol:
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How about be a little less rude to each other. If people just respect the server owner and hate eachother, its not going to work out. If someone (i won't mention his name) will manage to remove his blinders and quit always thinking he is right then things may work out. People just need to learn to respect each other and if they fail at doing so, then tolerate each other.
+1 to that. A dozen of people act like administrators and moderators are above everyone (honor to those who keep their feet on the ground). If people have a need to express themselves, in terms of set rules and boundaries, let them be, and do it without the usual pattern of "OMG it ruins our tradition/common sense/[insert]" - put yourself in the shoes of the guy suggesting or asking for something, don't be your usual self, show some understanding and you will earn a bit of respect.
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how about RPing a grown up mature person who can talk and act politely to people without sounding like a 12 year old girl on that special time of the month.
What, unlike the 8-member Gvardia death squad that went around looking for blue dots to kill yesterday?
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What, unlike the 8-member Gvardia death squad that went around looking for blue dots to kill yesterday?
Excuse me, but you'll have to report that to Gvardia leaders, such as Eugene, Cofiliano, and myself.
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why are you people disrespecting the server owner
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I respect him, though I contradict a few of his statements :P
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Excuse me, but you'll have to report that to Gvardia leaders, such as Eugene, Cofiliano, and myself.
Did you just admit that the following event took place?
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What, unlike the 8-member Gvardia death squad that went around looking for blue dots to kill yesterday?
if you want to talk about this, pm me or go on gvardia topic,
not here.
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Did you just admit that the following event took place?
What the fuck kind of stupid question is that? I'm banned, so how should I know?
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What the f**k kind of stupid question is that? I'm banned, so how should I know?
And what fucking kind of stupid statement is that? How should I know you're banned?
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And what f**king kind of stupid statement is that? How should I know you're banned?
That's your own fault for being ignorant. Tell me this: How is telling someone to report an incident admitting to the fact that it happened? Is it any different than with admins?
Player1: ABUSE!
Admin: /report
Player2: Gvardia cophunted us
Leon: Report it to Gvardia leaders annnnnd...
Admin: /report
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The topic is completely useless. It went from Eugene asking a simple question about Forced RP to you guys getting into a little b**** fight over stupid things. It's simple, you see them rulebreaking? Report to admins, then report to Gvardia Leaders. All these stupid and arrogant comments are not needed...requesting this be locked..
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requesting this be locked..
I asked that 6 pages ago.
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