Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: DoYouLikeMyName on August 16, 2010, 01:24:22 am
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Why should someone be able to scam someone elses hard earned product and get away with it?
People work hard whilst a scammer doesnt.
My Answer: YES.
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Its life, gangsta. Life is a real fine b*tch.
Sorry but why would this be bannable? Hard earned product? A command away from the product?
Its RP, relax and play the game.
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Exactly man there are lots of scammers out on the streets but you just gotta deal it right or come up with something so you both don't get scammed. Its just life of Argonathrpg
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I'm just making a poll, I dont really give a sh*t. :D
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It adds a bit of............................I'm going to get buttraped for saying this, 'REALISM', into Argonath RPG. So noany.
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Absolutely, yes. There is no way of selling any of these things anymore. What fucking realism? In game there is no way to guarantee a safe trade. Fine, you bring 10 people with AK47 to the trade place and what does it change? The guy scams, gets killed, you lose your goods, and he just respawns without losing anything and lives happily ever after. That's absolutely ridiculous.
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In game there is no way to guarantee a safe trade.
Just like real life.
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If you would have read my above post fully, you would understand what i meant by "safe". Safe as in, that there actually IS a way to get your stuff back and you can do some real harm to the scammer.
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If you would have read my above post fully
Implying that I didn't read it.
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Why should it be bannable?
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no
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Exactly why would it bannable i have money for that. That it's my work :rofl: :lol: :banana: :hurray: :razz: :devroll: :weed:
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Learn to deal with respectable dealers, win a "reputation" so they deal with you, problem solved.
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It should be if the player is been playing for less then 2 weeks, Veteran's probably won't scam at all, if I hear from scam I will let everyone know. Scamming is lame and its ruining the fun
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It should be if the player is been playing for less then 2 weeks, Veteran's probably won't scam at all, if I hear from scam I will let everyone know. Scamming is lame and its ruining the fun
Depends how you scam someone.
If you roleplay a "so called" scam, then I honestly don't see the problem.
Not because I usually do it, but I wouldn't go crazy if someone actually tried it on me.
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I'm just making a poll, I dont really give a sh*t. :D
You're pathetic.
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OOC Scamming is the issue?
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No.
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Looks like there are more scammers than players around here.
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OOC type of scamming is when a player next to you camps and probably rapes /harvestweed or /collectheroin.
I still don't see the big scam. You're a step away from the product, and sadly people don't respect drug business as it used to be.
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Its life, gangsta. Life is a real fine b*tch.
Damn good quote there!
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I don't even get it, why such a topic like this? Rules aren't going to be added because of a poll.
About scamming itself - I don't get why do you people even think about scamming others? At most it should be a special event of actions - not something daily, like a job that you do for profit, that you ask to be further approved by another rule entry.
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In relation to the poll:
Argonath was never a democracy, and never will be. We do value and listen to the opinions of players, but the decisions are ours to make, not by any majority of representative system.
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I'm just making a poll, I dont really give a sh*t. :D
In relation with common sense.
The poll was there for just voting it seems.
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My opinion is yes . After many black trades , I would say since this new no rule about scamming , black tradeship is going down . Many people which call yourself "gangsta" even saying in OOC they won't scam , they do . The example RP of their scamming :
*Gangsta drags a weight bag on his shoulder*
*Gangsta opens bag , you can see 10.000 AK47 ammo*
*Gangsta offers 10.000 AK47 ammo for 50.000$*
*Trader takes out cash and waits for trade*
*Gangsta gives bag which contains 10k Ak47 ammo*
When Trader sends cash , he takes out weapon from ass and says it's robbery or other shit like that . And after asking him he said in OOC no scam and he had in bag stones or "plastic weapon" . If you will get scammed by people like them , admins won't help . Just because it's black tradeship.
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No
Its life, gangsta. Life is a real fine b*tch.
Just don't deal with someone if you don't trust him.
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Scamming is never allowed.
Robbing in illegal deals although are allowed, as often criminals do have different opinions.
(Notice, scamming is not robbing, and robbing is not scamming, they are two completely different things)
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so you cant scam weapons, drugs and other illegal stuff? What about Court then, they refuse to take gambling scam's under investigation or atleast they did last time.
I mean theres scam of OOC and half RP, if scammer gets his cash he will stop RPing and run, if he gets shot/killed there should be money on his body but he refuses to give it so yea.... I seen scammer who got cash took AK from table and started shooting he got out and he was killed, refused to give cash back.
My opinion is yes . After many black trades , I would say since this new no rule about scamming , black tradeship is going down . Many people which call yourself "gangsta" even saying in OOC they won't scam , they do . The example RP of their scamming :
*Gangsta drags a weight bag on his shoulder*
*Gangsta opens bag , you can see 10.000 AK47 ammo*
*Gangsta offers 10.000 AK47 ammo for 50.000$*
*Trader takes out cash and waits for trade*
*Gangsta gives bag which contains 10k Ak47 ammo*
When Trader sends cash , he takes out weapon from ass and says it's robbery or other shit like that . And after asking him he said in OOC no scam and he had in bag stones or "plastic weapon" . If you will get scammed by people like them , admins won't help . Just because it's black tradeship.
I can't see a reason for you to whine cause you scammed also, don't play innocent. I lost my respect for you - again.
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I don't scam.
As a casino dealer, I require a clean reputation. I scammed once, but felt too bad and gave the 10k back (:lol:).
My point is, even though I myself might be a victim of a scam someday, I do not want this to be bannable.
I mean, soon you'll be banned for nearly everything you do.
"Omfg dood he bunnyhop while RP ban now ffs he newb"
"Omfggg I buy 3k combats he gief only 2887 omggggggg"
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Scamming is never allowed.
Robbing in illegal deals although are allowed, as often criminals do have different opinions.
(Notice, scamming is not robbing, and robbing is not scamming, they are two completely different things)
Daniel wants to ban every weed/weapon scammer/robber he sees.
He says "he'll talk some sense into the leaders" etc... I respect his opinion and all, but as an admin I believe he has to keep it to himself and do whats told...
I'm just saying. Sooner or later you might see an unban request, where the ban reason is "Weed scam".
You admins have to make a choice. It's hard to hear one says it's bannable and another say it's not.
I'd like you guys to talk about it, and then do a public announcement saying whether it's legal or illegal (by server rules, not by law.)
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In my eyes, 'weed scam' is something when you stalk at a weed field next to the other person just waiting to harvest the other person's weed - without any roleplay.
'Weed robbing/stealing', in my eyes is sneaking to the weed field and snatching the weed from the grower, with roleplay. Or snatching it from a deal and running away, with roleplay.
So in the end, it comes to a simple difference, roleplayed - robbing/stealing, not roleplayed - scamming.
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Once i got scammed , and lost 2mil.
That wasent really fun.
But then i got the money back.
And the person who scammed me, didnt got any warn etc..
Anyway,I voted yes.
Cause they need to get banned for making us lose money or weed or weapons..
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Just deal it smart, not like give me weed i give the money.
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Its life, gangsta. Life is a real fine b*tch.
Sorry but why would this be bannable? Hard earned product? A command away from the product?
Its RP, relax and play the game.
I highly disagree on this. (actually, made me wanna puke)
Especially if it's an newer player.
New players, who have went thru the "f**k this server i wanna dm or: I wanna parcipate and see what's it's like" have most likely spent maybe 8-9k on weapons or just been spending it on unessecary things.
Let's say the player has 1k left in money, and realises he gotta invest it somewhere, luckily! He invests it into growing weed.
So our player bought seeds for 800$ and the rest 200$ is for gas etc.
So he get's hold on 160 grams. Around 4k money, which would help him really much.
Now, growing 160 seeds in the shortest time possible (excluding rivals an travel time) would be: 1 hour.
So, tell me, who want's to spend 1 hour in an game and then get's ripped off by some jackass?
Maybe you guys don't care about new players (those who said no) but I do.
Also, another situation that will mostly happen to new players depending on the perpetrator is an asshole or not, I quoted it from ARPD where I wrote.
Once again I got an recent situation.
I'm growing weed. Two random players in an helicopter land nearby on the roof. Both take out an sniper each, fire away and kill me. I ask why they killed me.
"Ur an weed dealer and so am I, So i gotta kill you to protect my stash, it's just RP".
I see so many flaws here that it actually made me loose nearly all hope I had in sa:mp.
1: There are around 5 other weed locations in Argonath RPG sa:mp, randomly finding another player that's growing weed in one field, kill him and say rp?
2: There's no way in hell that killing = RP. Unless for rare cases (except cops fighting suspects or vice-versa (if cops shot suspectsomething weird.
3: He could have went to another weed field, seriosly there's around 5 more.
4: Awesome excuse to kill any players who are growing at an weed field because "I gotta protect my stash", good work. abuse the excuse since players accept it due to ZOMG RP.
5: We did once again not need to kill eachother on mta:vc to RP. So why do the same on sa:mp?
6: I was unarmed, had no weapon at all. I run around in circles to avoid being shot at.
That's something that's likely to happen. (Maybe not with sniper rifles, but with other weapons)
If an new player happen to read this. Never ever deal with someone who asks you to send all weed at once, or someone who "gotta go to the ATM". It's bullshit and lies.
Always deal weed in parts. For example you are going to sell 50 grams of weed, then always to the deal in 5's
New player gave Buyer 5 grams of weed
Buyer sent new player ammount of money the 5 grams is worth
New player gave Buyer 5 grams of weed
Buyer sent new player ammount of money the 5 grams is worth
And then keep going like that. In short, the scammer is "owned" because the only ammount of weed he got is the ammount you sent. So he can ethier deal like an real man and stop scamming so he can get the serious ammount, or leave and scam you of those 5 grams. In which case you will know to never deal weed with that scammer again. (Always make sure they pay for the parts you have sent)
If he decides to rob you, then it's up to YOU to agree to the robbery, and even then. You should only RP an little. Robbing someone of 10000$ is not okay at all to ask for, leave or run away or report him for DM if he follows and tries to kill you (most in this moment would say "it's just rp" but that is complete bullshit in my ears, maybe doing some gunwounds to RP scare the player you are attempting to robb, but not killing).
I for example never kill those who tries to steal weed from me when i'm growing. I could RP and shot him and almost wound him to death. but I do never kill them. It's unessecary and would go against my principle. If they repeat it I might actually kill them if I can, but only in extreme cases.
Also, for weed stealers. Is it really neccesary to do what you are doing? There's 4 more weedfield to choose from, give the players an break...
It's such an shame admins won't do anything about this just because the constitution says it's illegal, how about regulating the rules so that new players are protected (as in can report scamming) if thier account is no older than 20 days? In 20 days hopefully the new players would have got enough experience to RP the scamming if he really wants too, and is not forced because of some jackass.
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It should be like Los Santos Roleplay - you are allowed to rob/scam up to a certain extent.
(No advertising intended)
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Why should it be bannable?
Deal weed/weaponry with someone you know or a respectable dealer...
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Yes - do this:
Call cops saying that dealer didn't give you the weed... Post results :)
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Hmm i don't think it will result Kevina Because some cop's are like 'I don't give a shit' or think 'hmm nice will free weed'.
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Exactly why I said him to post results... :rofl:
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Yeah its pathetic to see scammers dont get banned or cant get sued by court because court just shuts it down, dont look at it or the court house burns down..
I lost 200,000$ due to that but yeah fuck that money.. Hopefully that kid will be happy with the money without any friends.