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Title: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Jcstodds on September 15, 2010, 07:22:14 pm

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  I am posting this poll before I suggest it in the appropriate topic (In the ARPD forum) to get some feedback.

I am in support, and will list the positives and negatives that I can think of. Any comments may also be added.

The actual law I propose: Drivers should maintain a speed which is appropriate and safe in the immediate area. This means that cops will have to use common sense, but should work out better for everyone. If no cars about, speeding is not a problem. If They are speeding, on right side of road, slowing for corners and busy intersections and not destroying the streets, there is no problem.

  If their speed is causing them to drive recklessly, then it becomes reckless driving.


Positive
- Less players get /su for speeding without previous warning or attempt to pull over.
- Less cop deaths by civilians threatened by their /su
- Less "help abuse" cries on main chat for admins to be distracted with
- Driving slow is boring and monotonous unless there is a real purpose.
- Players who want a car chase can still do that, players who are trying to get somewhere quickly should be able to without cops /su ing them.
- Stops players going to jail or getting killed for going a little fast.


Negative
- Still be moan no doubt when cops su for speeding at first
- Cops could believe that speeding = "reckless driving" and still not use common sense, so no difference is made.   




Depending on feedback I may request a trial for this law.


Regards,
Sheriff of FCPD
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 15, 2010, 07:25:54 pm
i agree the speed limits need to be binned... 

maybe basing on "common sense" wouldnt be that good an idea.. since some people dont have any... but if u crash/knock over powerpoles/ ram people  or drive on the footpath  then /su

because i have been shot dead (which means argonath loses $900 from economy) by cops because i was goin 100 and not crashing or anything
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Jcstodds on September 15, 2010, 07:26:23 pm
I did not notice JayL's topic! (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=58766.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=58766.0))

But hope that with this poll the numbers will speak for themselves.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Biggo2 on September 15, 2010, 07:29:40 pm
Speed limits increase RP for cops and criminals.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Jcstodds on September 15, 2010, 07:30:07 pm
Speed limits increase RP for cops and criminals.
Explain?
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Biggo2 on September 15, 2010, 07:32:34 pm
Explain?
A criminal speeds - A cop can pull him over and give him a ticket, and it also decreases ramming. It gives cops something more to do and gives criminals something to think about while driving
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 15, 2010, 07:34:03 pm
A criminal speeds - A cop can pull him over and give him a ticket, and it also decreases ramming. It gives cops something more to do and gives criminals something to think about while driving

it also makes the whole game seem boring and slow ^^  plus forced RP is not allowed (tickets etc.)  so why bother ... if i see someone speeding i dont even care when im cop duty because i know how lame and hard it is to stay under 80km/h  anyways
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Biggo2 on September 15, 2010, 07:36:32 pm
it also makes the whole game seem boring and slow ^^  plus forced RP is not allowed (tickets etc.)  so why bother ... if i see someone speeding i dont even care when im cop duty because i know how lame and hard it is to stay under 80km/h  anyways
Giving a ticket ain't that much forcing, criminals can just speed off in wavy directions to avoid getting shot at :P. And officers should also do /speed before anything else
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 15, 2010, 07:38:03 pm
Giving a ticket ain't that much forcing, criminals can just speed off in wavy directions to avoid getting shot at :P. And officers should also do /speed before anything else

giving a ticket = demanding money... its actualy non-RP your right... its just abuse ;)

in real life u get a ticket, you have months to pay it...  in Argonath u have 3 and a half seconds
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Biggo2 on September 15, 2010, 07:42:20 pm
giving a ticket = demanding money... its actualy non-RP your right... its just abuse ;)

in real life u get a ticket, you have months to pay it...  in Argonath u have 3 and a half seconds
If an officer abuses you take pics + report it at [email protected]
If he is moneyhungry, or threatening, contact an admin through /report.
And no, I still hate this idea :S
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Norrage on September 15, 2010, 07:43:18 pm
No. People will go  :m4: wih driving.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 15, 2010, 07:44:14 pm
If an officer abuses you take pics + report it at [email protected]
If he is moneyhungry, or threatening, contact an admin through /report.
And no, I still hate this idea :S

something tells me you like pulling people over for speeding -.-
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on September 15, 2010, 07:45:20 pm
Visit supreme Court for law changes.

Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Biggo2 on September 15, 2010, 07:47:48 pm
No. People will go  :m4: wih driving.
/agree

something tells me you like pulling people over for speeding -.-
I'm a criminal Gvardia mobster..
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: midget on September 15, 2010, 08:02:56 pm
Shouldn't this be in "Sa:Mp Ideas" Thread?
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Jcstodds on September 15, 2010, 08:03:14 pm
Visit supreme Court for law changes.
  We know, read whole of the 1st post and then you may understand topic...

A criminal speeds - A cop can pull him over and give him a ticket, and it also decreases ramming. It gives cops something more to do and gives criminals something to think about while driving
  Yes, this is what should happen. However, majority of cops simply /su, and then criminal starts fighting as he is threatened by the /su. Before you know it you have 2 cops dead and now a mass murderer on the loose. If law is removed, cops can still pull people over for dangerous driving or reckless driving (which are usually the result of speeding), but "/su speeding" would not be allowed.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Biggo2 on September 15, 2010, 08:15:31 pm
  We know, read whole of the 1st post and then you may understand topic...
  Yes, this is what should happen. However, majority of cops simply /su, and then criminal starts fighting as he is threatened by the /su. Before you know it you have 2 cops dead and now a mass murderer on the loose. If law is removed, cops can still pull people over for dangerous driving or reckless driving (which are usually the result of speeding), but "/su speeding" would not be allowed.
But IF they /su and ask for a ticket, pay it, they will ask for an unsus
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Flash on September 15, 2010, 08:41:26 pm
GTA was MADE for wreckless driving.
But this is RP server.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 15, 2010, 08:44:37 pm
But this is RP server.

yes and from what i remember argonath is a RP of a corrupt city ^_^
corrupt people drive corruptly
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Inkognito on September 15, 2010, 08:48:28 pm
Infernal Course, as far as I see, this is not a petition yet :)

Jcs is trying to get statistics of what public thinks. As far as I know, you got to collect some 'signatures' to get your petition aprooved, and it's better to not to post the petition before getting knowledge of what public think :)
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Broedet on September 15, 2010, 08:56:19 pm
Even though this idea might be positive in theory, I fear the outcome will be bad.
When you drive fast in the cities, you need bigger space to avoid hitting another player, which is kind of hard when there are 100+ people online. (At least in Los Santos)

At least I get annoyed when people are driving so fast that they can't control their vehicle, which ends up in driving on the wrong side of the road and crashing into me.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 15, 2010, 09:02:51 pm
Even though this idea might be positive in theory, I fear the outcome will be bad.
When you drive fast in the cities, you need bigger space to avoid hitting another player, which is kind of hard when there are 100+ people online. (At least in Los Santos)

At least I get annoyed when people are driving so fast that they can't control their vehicle, which ends up in driving on the wrong side of the road and crashing into me.
Just a thought.

wreckless driving, crashing, driving on wrong side of the road.. all of that will still be illegal ;)  just u wont have to go so slow that u couldnt dodge a powerpole
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on September 15, 2010, 09:09:47 pm
NO one cares about speeding laws, so why have them? I've yet to see 1 person that obeys them at all times.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: soad103 on September 15, 2010, 09:36:41 pm
THE POLICE AND CITIZENS ALMOST HAVE NO POSITIVE COMMUNICATION AT ALL


All it is going to be basically: shoot orange dot get money, shoot oragne dot get money, shoot orange dot get money, jail orange dot get money, jail orange dot get money , jail orange dot get money

Second, Traffic stops for speeding are almost the only only positive communication between a civilian and a cop.  If the guy complies its no problem and cool.  PLUS THEY ARE FUN AND THEY CREATE ROLEPLAy.  Depending on who you pull over these traffic stops can be awesome. 


ALSO ITS NOT THAT MUCH TO PAY FOR A STUPID TICKET THE MAXIMUM IS $250 WHAT's tHE FREAKING BIG DEAL?

"Duhhh what if a cop suspects me for speeding durrr?"

/gu go to jail pay $200 is that so hard?

The laws should be changed I agree on that it shouldn't be 80km/h in the city it should be a bit higher.  But don't completely take them away are you kidding me?


YES THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THINGS ARE DIFFERENT ON THE COP JOB WHERE SOMEONE ACTUALLY TRIES UNIQUE ROLEPLAY BUT THAT IS INCREDIBLY RARE



Ok I agree on getting rid of the procedure that you're allowed to /su for speeding/recklessdriving/any traffic violation because that is just plain stupid we need to pull over people instead of using the /su command on every single little thing


Speedlimits maintain control in the state.  If you have no freaking speed limits everyone will go crazy.  They will go full speed on every single road and we'll have massive accidents lots of suspects running around etc.  Do people break speed limits?  Yeah they do but the law actually keeps some kind of control.  It says 80km/h but really its 100 km/h because that's on average how fast people usually should go on the streets. 
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: EminemRulez on September 15, 2010, 10:48:44 pm
shoot orange dot get money
I'm out of this thread gentlemen... This man has just /thread'd the whole thing.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Nexxt on September 15, 2010, 10:57:35 pm
I rather wanna keep the speed limit, so I can continue to pull over people for RP.
Or I have to pull them over for regular checks...hmm
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 15, 2010, 11:43:50 pm
how about  remove the speed limit ... pulling someone over for RP is still legit (just dont /su)   

and we have to crack down on cops killin suspects for traffic crimes... SERIOUSLY... for every suspect killed. the argonath economy loses $900 

MATH behind my theory



say the economy was $10,000
Cop Kills Suspect... 
Cop gets + $100 toward economy
Suspect gets - $1000 toward economy

total loss = $900  ($100 - $1000) 

hence EVERY suspect killed for traffic crimes is MAKING US POOR
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Petar on September 15, 2010, 11:47:03 pm
Don't remove , make them 120 km/h in ls,sf,lv, and like 150/200 offroad
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Petar on September 15, 2010, 11:50:23 pm
how about  remove the speed limit ... pulling someone over for RP is still legit (just dont /su)   

and we have to crack down on cops killin suspects for traffic crimes... SERIOUSLY... for every suspect killed. the argonath economy loses $900 

MATH behind my theory



say the economy was $10,000
Cop Kills Suspect... 
Cop gets + $100 toward economy
Suspect gets - $1000 toward economy

total loss = $900  ($100 - $1000) 

hence EVERY suspect killed for traffic crimes is MAKING US POOR

Every suspect KILLED is making us poor. Every suspect JAILED is making us rich.


Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Louis_Keyl on September 15, 2010, 11:57:55 pm
I agree with this, HOWEVER, any law change must go thru the supreme court as the constitution says. And only gandalf and aragorn may accept a request.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 15, 2010, 11:59:16 pm
you are an insult to mathematics

you are an insult... period O-o   
and its 10am i havent slept yet lol .. i forgot to put economy is down to $9100
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Jamal on September 16, 2010, 03:00:39 am
you are an insult... period O-o   
and its 10am i havent slept yet lol .. i forgot to put economy is down to $9100
did you also forget to realize economy doesn't go anywhere? lol. If suspect dies, he loses 1000$ and it goes nowhere, it just is gone.,  and when a cop receives money, it comes from nowhere, NO-WHERE. Its server generated cash which does NOT circulate before the cop receives it, it comes from the server. Infact, the 'economy' is positively effected (as far as gains) because there is 100$ more circulating around in server.

As for speed limits, I think they should be increased, like City Speeds to 150 or something, and increase from there...
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: rJCaiG on September 16, 2010, 08:06:04 am
Please remove them, I remember when they first came out, I opposed them with everything I had, but did not succeed in getting the decision reversed :(
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 16, 2010, 08:08:16 am
did you also forget to realize economy doesn't go anywhere? lol. If suspect dies, he loses 1000$ and it goes nowhere, it just is gone.,  and when a cop receives money, it comes from nowhere, NO-WHERE. Its server generated cash which does NOT circulate before the cop receives it, it comes from the server. Infact, the 'economy' is positively effected (as far as gains) because there is 100$ more circulating around in server.

As for speed limits, I think they should be increased, like City Speeds to 150 or something, and increase from there...

actually "economy"  i was meaning is spendable money i.e  money already in game...
so if $1000  goes from ingame to nowhere.. it is gone from any chance of circulating...
the $100 comes from nowhere meaning economy gains $100

so economy made a total loss of $900...   Lrn2Count :) 


Antoine Dodson : you are so dummmmbb, you are really dummmbbb fo'real 

Dan:  Thats not nice antoine >:O 


Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Jcstodds on September 16, 2010, 01:22:51 pm
  Removing speeding laws does not stop traffic stops, it just means traffic stops have a purpose. The speeding law I believe is connected to the bigger picture - the overuse of the /su command.

  I suppose it is not so bad these days, many players are not automatically /su speeding. And we all know, /su can really ruin any roleplay. The idea is to remove this reason - just that reason. Nothing stopping you from pulling over for reckless driving, giving them a friendly warning about their speed and erratic driving. What it does mean though, anyone /su speeding  (e.g. speeding on an empty road except 1 cop parked up with /su ready) will be immediately let go unless the cops witness dangerous driving...

 
  If you think the only positive cop and civilian interaction is traffic stop, then maybe rack your brains a little and use imagination.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 16, 2010, 02:30:39 pm
Quote
What it does mean though, anyone /su speeding  (e.g. speeding on an empty road except 1 cop parked up with /su ready) will be immediately let go unless the cops witness dangerous driving...

its like "if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around does it make any noise?" 

of course it makes noise, but noone knows for sure  ...

basically its not sus for speeding, and its not wreckless unless u actually SEE wreckless
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: MisterSjeiks on September 16, 2010, 05:04:17 pm
Ya'll forgot we have someone on the server called TWENTY?!

Maybe change the speedlimit to around 130, most people wont drive that fast anyway (Affraid of crashing, or lagging)
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: CaptainCrazy on September 16, 2010, 05:27:41 pm
Being caught speeding often leads into interesting roleplay scenarios. Removing this would decrease roleplay between cops and citizens.

So I would say no.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Louis_Keyl on September 16, 2010, 05:38:15 pm
Highway 170km/h? Yeah they will accept to decrease it...  :roll:
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Rory on September 16, 2010, 07:27:27 pm
I don't think the speed laws should be taken away, I think they should be changed to common sense.

Basic Speed Law - "Speed UNSAFE for Road Conditions"
Any person who drives a motor vehicle at a speed which is observed to be too fast and dangerous for the conditions is guilty of the basic speed law. This is when a vehicle, for example, is accelerating over 150 kmh while going through somewhere populated like Pershing Square. However, if there's 10 people on the server and you're going 120-160 through Market, it may not be unsafe.

[EDIT]

Also, if this was the law, it would also provide more court cases. People fighting the ticket, saying the Officer was too strict, and it was actually a safe speed. It would present more cases because people would disagree with Officers on their speeding for what the conditions were.

ALSO, it would make the Officers have to use more discretion in pulling over speeders and finding more hidden, organized speed traps instead of just sitting on the market strip waiting for a car going over 80kmh.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Patton on September 16, 2010, 08:02:04 pm
The main problem is that most people have fast sports cars as their only vehicles, and hate when they busted for fast driving, so instead of focusing to bend the law to their own prosper (e.g. slowing down or avoid places commonly filled with police), they try to remove the law itself. Driving slower and in line with the speeding limits is possible, but with the more classic cars, like Hermeses or Tornados, but who even buys those, eh? By removing speed limits, we're losing the thin layer of lightweight roleplay between police units and the citizens.

Also, I'd like to hear the opinion from one of those "I RP as it is real life" guys, as I'm interested how the lack of speed limits would have influence on their methodology and technique of roleplay, because, like, speed limits *do* exist in real life.

Traffic stops for speeding are almost the only only positive communication between a civilian and a cop.  If the guy complies its no problem and cool.  PLUS THEY ARE FUN AND THEY CREATE ROLEPLAy.  Depending on who you pull over these traffic stops can be awesome.

True, but most people are always in that "wtf who is this noob to pull me over i have more important stuff to do than to lose money to some noob" mood, they forget how to roleplay it in the given situation, so instead of saying they are in the rush, they start deathmatching and/or running away.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Jason_Wade on September 16, 2010, 09:09:51 pm
It's just more RP.
Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Dan_The_Noob on September 16, 2010, 09:19:57 pm
Speed changes i think would suit are

City streets + small towns (blueberry etc.)  - 120 km/h 
Highways + Offroad (countryside) - infinite (no limit)

Title: Re: POLL: Remove speeding laws?
Post by: Alex_Grey on September 16, 2010, 10:41:50 pm
I suggest to raise the Inside city speed limit from 80kmh to 120kmh , this way you can drive fast - but not too fast , so people can still drive fast but not danger the public .
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